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A False, Legal Shutdown

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Author's note: If you have an interest in the subject matter but have not yet read Dr. Benjamin Franklin's essay; Rules for Reducing a Great Empire to a Small One, I recommend you do.

 

In one foul swoop the government has terminated more jobs than our country has ever seen before. To simply say that this is an issue of government overreach, is a bit too simplistic. This situation is the result of licensing. 

 

A license, in this context, is define as: Leave; permission; authority or liberty given to do or forbear any act. A license may be verbal or written; when written, the paper containing the authority is called a license

 

Naturally, the licensing of rights is unconstitutional. For if it is a right, no other permission is needed but thy own's accord. And for the government to claim it has the authority to distribute permissions for people to exercise their own rights is a hallmark of tyranny. But this is something that has been around for a long time, and in particular, is what gave rise to the "freedom of the press" phrase in the First Amendment. 

 

When you accept a license, the entity that authorizes the license has the authority to terminate it. Thus with business licenses, for example, at any time the government may force any business to do as it commands. To the point, in Arizona, a McDonald's restaurant was forced to paint it's iconic yellow "M", turquoise. Though I am currently addressing a more serious issue of forcing businesses to close, this example proves the point that there is inherently no limit to the authority. If they say "paint it blue or close" you must. Like a gun to the back of the head, so long as Americans consent to licensing, they will be at the total mercy of whom they accepted the license from; their own government!

 

To solve this issue we must terminate the unconstitutional practice of government licenses. As the government declares now, that 'certain businesses are to be shut down, lest they lose their license and may no longer operate'. Without a license, such tyrannical words hold little more power than a suggestion. 

 

For most Americans, their lively-hood is based on permits and licenses. And what was once a political theory; that our government can require citizens to behave a certain way, or have certain views in order to be allowed certain privileges like driving, fishing or bank accounts, is now becoming real in America. Through Licensing the government may now control every portion of your life.

 

But this did not just happen! This is a deeply rooted problem in America's current society. You must understand that licenses are un-American. And as an American citizen, whatever dangers may occur from living free from licenses is a) entirely worth it and b) safer than slavery. Licenses are the government's lien to your God-given rights. Those chains were always there, it is only that just now they are being pulled.

 

We must break free of the chains that have allowed for this tyrannical overreach. We must break free from the concept of licensing. We cannot allow this control through licensing to continue any longer.

 



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On 5/15/2020 at 11:31 AM, StartThePurge said:

youtu.be/y3_xa5-DSe0   --illuminati

 --nurse speaks out about covid 1:40

  --covid dr speaks out 

these are what opened my eyes, there are also a ton of memes going around, and the media isn't covering the real news, ObamaGate is happening, Fox has been covering it but CNN, NBC, CBS, theyre all owned by the elites. I saw in a comment that you'd rise and fight, if it isn't me vs the government police I will too. There will be blood and death, but every good thing has to be worked for, and right now the biggest problem is waking people up to whats going on. This is like 6 hours worth of videos , but hey what else are you doing right now :). Start with the illuminati video and the fall of the cabal video, those are 3.5 hours total, then start to spread the word and work on helping the people you know to open their eyes, its really all we can do at this point other than realize that while there may be a virus, the numbers are grossly inflated and it's not what they're making it out to be. 85-90k dead yes, but 30M+ out of work and wondering how they'll eat

 

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1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

Use all of our freedoms while we can.  Be prepared to continue to resist if some of these freedoms vanish.

I don't particular like Facebook and hardly know about the other social media things, but we collectively must have a presence on all social media that exist.

We really ought to have a systematic presence, if we could but organize a dozen or so of the nearly 9000 people who have signed up to this site. There should not be a single patriotic, anti Left, pro2A, YouTube video posted, for example, that doesn't have two or three of us writing comments on the comment section, mentioning this website.

 

But talking face to face with people is actually the best way to get ideas across. (Although I would personally rather do it somewhere else than in New York City. Those people are rude!)

 

As for 3% taking over the government ... I know you mean legally, via elections.  Yes ... 3% of Trump voters from 2016 would be one and a half million people. Imagine   one and a half million people started throwing themselves into voter registration efforts, meeting people, explaining what's happening ... getting some of the 50 or 60 million people who don't vote, to register and vote.

 

Another thing we could do, along those lines, again on YouTube: get on the channels that young people watch, the 'red-pilled' and 'alt-right' and anti-SJW channels, and post comments about the importance of registering to vote.  Voter registration is very low among those under 25. If enough people kept hammering away with this message, over and over, in different ways ... it might have an influence.

Voting does nothing for asserting rights over those who control. CFR members are not voted for. For profit corporations that control policy like CDC, FDA, and the rest of the alphabet agencies that run not only America, but countries throughout the world, receive no votes. The Federal reserve which controls not only the monetary system, but keep everyone but the members of the agencies above as well as politicians who participate in insider trading on wall street as well as are paid by lobbyists in exchange for profitable policies. No. Voting is not going to do anything but confirm consent of the status quo. 

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1. If voting has no effect, then why does the Left move heaven and earth to increase the number of their voters?

2. You are saying that it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it may as well be Hillary Clinton, nominating Supreme Court and Federal Court judges?????

 

Surely you don't really believe this!

 

Here's what I think you ARE saying, and where I agree with you:  what happens in the world is not only a result of which party happens to be in power, if both parties agree on certain fundamental things.

 

For example, both parties have essentially agreed on foreign policy since 1945 -- namely, that we should be the world hegemon, which means a military presence everywhere,  This was understandable after WWII, when it looked like we had a new Hitler to face, but one with an international ideology which found supporters all over the world.  So we built a huge military-industrial complex, to use Eisenhower's phrase when he warned us of its political power ... and once built, that machine continues to exercise great influence.  Thus we have 400 military bases all over the world, pour billions of dollars every year into places like Pakistan, fight losing  (but profitable for some) wars ... and this doesn't change, even though Communism collapsed thirty years ago.

 

Now we've got to do what the British did for centuries: play the balance of power game, making alliances that are always stronger than any single power. What we don't need to do -- what is fatal -- is trying to remake the Third World in our image. There will be no Lesbian Outreach Centers in Kandahar.

 

When the Wall Street gamblers lost big in 2008, both parties agreed to bail them out, with our money.  Financial sharks went in and bought up people's homes cheaply and enriched themselves. (The Democrats have learned how to pretend to be indignant about this -- only Bernie Sanders probably meant what he said -- but they're as much in the pocket of the giant corporations and ultra-wealthy as the Republicans.)

 

What the Democrats pretend to do re. economics and helping the working man, the Republicans pretend to do re. immigration.  Talk a good game, but do nothing .. because too many of their Donor Class want that cheap labor for their chicken gutting factories and their agribusiness.

 

Then came Donald Trump and threw everything into the air.  How I wish he were better than he is --- not just in style, but in an understanding of the problems we face.  But one factor is -- he doesn't have a cadre of people who understand things to staff the government with ... he's had to rely on elements of the Deep State to carry out his policies, to advise him on his policies ... and they've been able, effectively, to blackmail him over impeachment, and now over reelection, so he can't go too far.  And it's not clear how deeply he understands the problems we face.

 

Yes, voting by itself won't change much ... at best it just slows down the rot.  So don't ONLY vote.  But it does make a difference who is in office ... if only in how fast the decay is allowed to progress. Trump, and the Republicans in general, give us more time.

 

We mustn't abandon the political arena to the Left!!!!  

 

Everyone should ask for this book for his birthday:  The Republican Workers Party -- How the Victory   of Donald Trump Drove Everyone Crazy and Why It Was Just What We Needed, by F.H. Buckley.

 

You can get it on Amazon for a eight dollars: https://www.amazon.com/Republican-Workers-Party-Victory-Everyone/dp/1641770066/

 

Perhaps if he wins in November, he will have more of a free hand.

 

But ... if we don't vote .. .if we don't get into the Republican Party and start getting our kind of people nominated in the primaries --  it will all come to nothing.

 

And think about this -- if we can't rally enough people to even vote for a patriotic course ... how can we rally enough people to do anything else? 

 

Is someone who can't be bothered to vote, likely to pick up a rifle and defend the Constitution with his life in some future political crisis?

 

 

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CIVIL WAR 2 in America - WHO WOULD WIN?   Here's some  In-Depth Analysis.  First watch the video, by the very articulate John Mark.  I don't agree with his making a principled position out of what is just realistic assessment of how the racial fracture will play out in America, but a lot o fwhat he says is persuasive.  And it's persuasive because it's what we want to hear. 

 

THEREFORE it's dangerous!!!!  A serious military strategist will ALWAYS try to think outside his own preferences, and try to hear another viewpoint.  So after you watch this video,  and hopefully leave a comment mentioning this website,  then go to the link that follows, and read Forward Observer's analysis of John Mark's predictions.

 


https://forwardobserver.com/thoughts-on-civil-war-2-in-america-who-would-win-video/ere'

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12 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

1. If voting has no effect, then why does the Left move heaven and earth to increase the number of their voters?

2. You are saying that it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it may as well be Hillary Clinton, nominating Supreme Court and Federal Court judges?????

 

Surely you don't really believe this!

 

Here's what I think you ARE saying, and where I agree with you:  what happens in the world is not only a result of which party happens to be in power, if both parties agree on certain fundamental things.

 

For example, both parties have essentially agreed on foreign policy since 1945 -- namely, that we should be the world hegemon, which means a military presence everywhere,  This was understandable after WWII, when it looked like we had a new Hitler to face, but one with an international ideology which found supporters all over the world.  So we built a huge military-industrial complex, to use Eisenhower's phrase when he warned us of its political power ... and once built, that machine continues to exercise great influence.  Thus we have 400 military bases all over the world, pour billions of dollars every year into places like Pakistan, fight losing  (but profitable for some) wars ... and this doesn't change, even though Communism collapsed thirty years ago.

 

Now we've got to do what the British did for centuries: play the balance of power game, making alliances that are always stronger than any single power. What we don't need to do -- what is fatal -- is trying to remake the Third World in our image. There will be no Lesbian Outreach Centers in Kandahar.

 

When the Wall Street gamblers lost big in 2008, both parties agreed to bail them out, with our money.  Financial sharks went in and bought up people's homes cheaply and enriched themselves. (The Democrats have learned how to pretend to be indignant about this -- only Bernie Sanders probably meant what he said -- but they're as much in the pocket of the giant corporations and ultra-wealthy as the Republicans.)

 

What the Democrats pretend to do re. economics and helping the working man, the Republicans pretend to do re. immigration.  Talk a good game, but do nothing .. because too many of their Donor Class want that cheap labor for their chicken gutting factories and their agribusiness.

 

Then came Donald Trump and threw everything into the air.  How I wish he were better than he is --- not just in style, but in an understanding of the problems we face.  But one factor is -- he doesn't have a cadre of people who understand things to staff the government with ... he's had to rely on elements of the Deep State to carry out his policies, to advise him on his policies ... and they've been able, effectively, to blackmail him over impeachment, and now over reelection, so he can't go too far.  And it's not clear how deeply he understands the problems we face.

 

Yes, voting by itself won't change much ... at best it just slows down the rot.  So don't ONLY vote.  But it does make a difference who is in office ... if only in how fast the decay is allowed to progress. Trump, and the Republicans in general, give us more time.

 

We mustn't abandon the political arena to the Left!!!!  

 

Everyone should ask for this book for his birthday:  The Republican Workers Party -- How the Victory   of Donald Trump Drove Everyone Crazy and Why It Was Just What We Needed, by F.H. Buckley.

 

You can get it on Amazon for a eight dollars: https://www.amazon.com/Republican-Workers-Party-Victory-Everyone/dp/1641770066/

 

Perhaps if he wins in November, he will have more of a free hand.

 

But ... if we don't vote .. .if we don't get into the Republican Party and start getting our kind of people nominated in the primaries --  it will all come to nothing.

 

And think about this -- if we can't rally enough people to even vote for a patriotic course ... how can we rally enough people to do anything else? 

 

Is someone who can't be bothered to vote, likely to pick up a rifle and defend the Constitution with his life in some future political crisis?

 

 

Actually, that's not what I mean and pretty much stated what I meant in my previous post. Puppets don't mean a thing. Voting is consent for the status quo and the plans that the deep state has planned to implement. They choose the puppets and we, the slaves get to decide which master should tell us what is demanded of us by the deep state. The more people who follow the puppet the better. They alternate faux parties to get more people on board the agenda. Consent. That we should be the world hegemon, which means a military presence everywhere was decided upon the beginning of this country's government not when they decided to end WWII. Patton was right. We were fighting the wrong enemy and now the enemy is in charge.  It was an experiment and succeeded in becoming the county seat of the NWO. You can vote until the cows come home. Vote for military implementation of Luciferase and contact tracing. Vote for one world government, religion. The bankers have just about clinched the one world bank. I'm voting for something else. Completely. And it's not on any centralized government ballot. Decentralize or depopulate. Those are the only choices I see. 

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We fought the right enemy in WWII.  We had to make a choice between two evils, and we made the right choice.

 

Again, I ask: is it a matter of indifference, who won in 2016? If Hillary had won, we would be well on our way to a Progressive Supreme Court, and also a Progressive Federal Judiciary.

But we bought ourselves some time. If we can win in November, we will have bought more time, and we might even see Trump --- no longer having his 'allies' in the Republican upper layers being able to blackmail him over impeachment or re-election -- moving on his instincts and getting us out of those overseas snakepits.

 

Conspiracy theories -- which posit a single, shadowy, Power controlling everything -- are not just wrong, they are positively harmful, in several ways. And one of those ways is that inculcate passivity into patriots.  If everything is already controlled by a Grand Conspiracy -- then resistance is useless and you might as well get a cabin in the woods and watch old movies. 

 

Exactly what the Enemy wants.

 

All of history since the 17th Century shows us that things are dynamic ... often changes are going on below the surface, so to speak, and then they suddenly take effect. The rulers do something really stupid ... the English King tries to impose taxes without Parliament's consent and ... boom!  ... he gets a civil war, and ends up with his head in a basket filled with sawdust.  The French rulers a century later bankrupt the country to satisfy the ego of their king while people are starving  and... boom! they get a revolution and once again, heads in a basket. The Russian rulers get their backward country involved in a war with an advanced one -- Japan in 1905 -- and spark a revolution, which they manage to put down, and then they do it again, and this time, boom!  they end up being murdered in a basement. 

 

No one knows the future.  There will be deepening economic and political turbulence in the United States. The forces of liberty will have a chance to shake people out of their apathy, and grow.

 

It's happening right now with the Communist Chinese Virus and the riots.  If we can't persuade another 5000 people to join the militia movement over the next few months, we deserve to be slaves.

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

We fought the right enemy in WWII.  We had to make a choice between two evils, and we made the right choice.

 

Again, I ask: is it a matter of indifference, who won in 2016? If Hillary had won, we would be well on our way to a Progressive Supreme Court, and also a Progressive Federal Judiciary.

But we bought ourselves some time. If we can win in November, we will have bought more time, and we might even see Trump --- no longer having his 'allies' in the Republican upper layers being able to blackmail him over impeachment or re-election -- moving on his instincts and getting us out of those overseas snakepits.

 

Conspiracy theories -- which posit a single, shadowy, Power controlling everything -- are not just wrong, they are positively harmful, in several ways. And one of those ways is that inculcate passivity into patriots.  If everything is already controlled by a Grand Conspiracy -- then resistance is useless and you might as well get a cabin in the woods and watch old movies. 

 

Exactly what the Enemy wants.

 

All of history since the 17th Century shows us that things are dynamic ... often changes are going on below the surface, so to speak, and then they suddenly take effect. The rulers do something really stupid ... the English King tries to impose taxes without Parliament's consent and ... boom!  ... he gets a civil war, and ends up with his head in a basket filled with sawdust.  The French rulers a century later bankrupt the country to satisfy the ego of their king while people are starving  and... boom! they get a revolution and once again, heads in a basket. The Russian rulers get their backward country involved in a war with an advanced one -- Japan in 1905 -- and spark a revolution, which they manage to put down, and then they do it again, and this time, boom!  they end up being murdered in a basement. 

 

No one knows the future.  There will be deepening economic and political turbulence in the United States. The forces of liberty will have a chance to shake people out of their apathy, and grow.

 

It's happening right now with the Communist Chinese Virus and the riots.  If we can't persuade another 5000 people to join the militia movement over the next few months, we deserve to be slaves.

 

 

 

 

When history is destroyed, how do you actually know what happened? Were you there? Were your people there? They are all conspiracies and theories have been proven to be fact as evidence emerges. Your choice to look at it and have it influence your opinion. Your opinion about WWII as well since you've erased all history before that or counted it as null. There will be no faux election in November. The 'democrats' aren't even trying. Why bother. I hope that you never serve on a jury. Believing what your favorite player says without looking at the evidence can mean murder for many. As I said. I do not consent to slavery or the governments that enforce it. Not a 14th amendment US citizen. I would fight for the freedom of others, but that would be a waste of my time and energy as they have to want it. Happy slaves make for too much liability. 

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21 minutes ago, Jenn Fox said:

When history is destroyed, how do you actually know what happened? Were you there? Were your people there? They are all conspiracies and theories have been proven to be fact as evidence emerges. Your choice to look at it and have it influence your opinion. Your opinion about WWII as well since you've erased all history before that or counted it as null. There will be no faux election in November. The 'democrats' aren't even trying. Why bother. I hope that you never serve on a jury. Believing what your favorite player says without looking at the evidence can mean murder for many. As I said. I do not consent to slavery or the governments that enforce it. Not a 14th amendment US citizen. I would fight for the freedom of others, but that would be a waste of my time and energy as they have to want it. Happy slaves make for too much liability. 

Actually, Jenn, I know quite a lot about history. I majored in it at university, a long time ago, and have, since then, read hundreds of books and articles on historical subjects.  I'm particularly interested in 19th and 20th Century history, and in particular the history of wars and revolutions. I agree with old Bismarck, that all the big questions facing humanity are ultimately determined not by votes in parliament, but by blood and iron.

 

Conspiracy theories are ridiculous, and are for people who are too lazy to do serious research, but like to feel that they have 'insider' knowledge, making them superior to others.

Normally, beliefs in absurd ideas  wouldn't make any difference -- hey, Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies -- but it diverts people from trying to learn about the reality of who has power and what we can do about it; often, these silly theories make people passive (if a Giant Conspiracy controls everything, why bother to fight back?); and it drives away sensible people away from websites where crazy conspiracy theories are apparently taken seriously, making us less effective.

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8 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Actually, Jenn, I know quite a lot about history. I majored in it at university, a long time ago, and have, since then, read hundreds of books and articles on historical subjects.  I'm particularly interested in 19th and 20th Century history, and in particular the history of wars and revolutions. I agree with old Bismarck, that all the big questions facing humanity are ultimately determined not by votes in parliament, but by blood and iron.

 

Conspiracy theories are ridiculous, and are for people who are too lazy to do serious research, but like to feel that they have 'insider' knowledge, making them superior to others.

Normally, beliefs in absurd ideas  wouldn't make any difference -- hey, Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies -- but it diverts people from trying to learn about the reality of who has power and what we can do about it; often, these silly theories make people passive (if a Giant Conspiracy controls everything, why bother to fight back?); and it drives away sensible people away from websites where crazy conspiracy theories are apparently taken seriously, making us less effective.

I suppose that reading books written by the victors would influence your opinion greatly to the point where  when confronted with anything other than an official story, regardless of evidence like say, no powder residue on the hands of a supposed gunman and no shots fired from his gun, declassified documents stating the plan of false flags for an hegelian dialectic that would lead to war. And the civil war was about ending slavery. Yeah. Stick to the textbooks. Whatever. That's like saying that the Bible is a lie with all of its conspiracies, and you may be right as it was translated by the victors. Maybe read some autobiographies of those involved. They don't exactly line up with your texts. 

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I see what Jenn is saying, kind of a 1984 view of things which i agree with because that kind of looks like where we're headed. And Doug you are right about some conspiracies, they are completely out there and make things worse. I'm not a conspiracy theorist normally, and I didn't start following the Q Anon philosophy to have 'insider knowledge and feel superior', I watched this stuff then also did a lot of my own independent research because I'm (thankfully) working from home and have the time to. As for the child sex trafficking and devil worship, it's possible, but my belief fell more in line with the Agenda21 type stuff, and vaccines not being necessary. I've been following it for about a month now, and with new developments of  Queen E being dethroned by the look of it (she's gone, royal seal off the palace), dems trying to push mail in voting, this whole covid hoax (i believe the virus is real but I believe in herd immunity and not forcing sick patients into senior homes, my immune system is good and I'll take my chances), then things like Fauci saying initially that hand washing would work, then changing to masks, and now its wear a mask and distance, but if that worked so well why was everything shut down still, now we have these riots going on (what's a better distraction than a race war)....and you're right Doug, we need more people, regardless of beliefs, race, sexual orientation, religion....we need more People who want to remain free the way we have been. How to recruit them all without getting them to even realize that things are going south real fast is something I've been trying to figure out. Obviously(maybe) by my dem comment I support Trump, because I like his focus on security and freedom at the same time, hes helped the black community with the EO to help HBCUs, and hes all for legal immigration. On top of that I am better off than I was 4 years ago, and I'd like to see what he can do with another 4, but at this rate I'm wondering where we'll be in Nov, let alone 4yrs after that. We may be headed into Boogaloo civil war territory, which may be what it takes, but my main objective in everything is to keep my wife and kids safe, as well as anyone else that also has that same goal for their people. 

If you have any suggestions on how to grow numbers or for a group to form up and plan under these circumstances, I'd love to hear it. 

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and I'm about halfway through the civil war video, makes me glad I'm a right leaning 2nd Amendment supporter

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2 hours ago, Jenn Fox said:

I suppose that reading books written by the victors would influence your opinion greatly to the point where  when confronted with anything other than an official story, regardless of evidence like say, no powder residue on the hands of a supposed gunman and no shots fired from his gun, declassified documents stating the plan of false flags for an hegelian dialectic that would lead to war. And the civil war was about ending slavery. Yeah. Stick to the textbooks. Whatever. That's like saying that the Bible is a lie with all of its conspiracies, and you may be right as it was translated by the victors. Maybe read some autobiographies of those involved. They don't exactly line up with your texts. 

Gracious me!  You go to the original sources wherever possible.  You read Mein Kampf. You read Lenin's and Stalin's Collected Works.  Textbooks are not very interesting. But specialist works by historians are, especially when they're arguing bitterly against each other, for example, the historikerstreit among (mainly) German historians, over their own history, or the debate about whether FDR and his close associates knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. And the first thing any student of history learns is that 'history is written by the victors' -- which doesn't mean that the truth isn't there, it's just harder to find. The shameful treatment of ethnic Germans driven from their homes and subjected to barbaric treatment after the Second World War was over is an example. Mass rape by American soldiers on Okinawa is another example.  Although it's not history, the coddling of the bankers by both Democrats and Republicans after 2008 is also something that our masters would rather we not think about.

 

As for your examples, cite some sources. I'll try to read them.  As for autobiographies, yes, they're of use, although almost always self-serving. EH Carr, in What Is History? (an excellent book, and quite short, everyone should read it) has some very telling examples of this. Few people tell the total unvarnished truth, if it reflects badly on them, or gets in the way of something they want people to believe or do. You have to read many sources, and even then, there is probably a lot we'll never know.

 

But we know enough to act rationally now.  There are few people who are totally evil, and circumstances may force us into alliance with people whom we might otherwise be in conflict with. George Soros, for example, has started a project in the US with which I am in total agreement, and I hope this particular project of his has success. In this particular area, he is an ally, and a valuable one. But I fear the conspriacy theorist mentality would reject co operating with him in this project, because it must be some sort of dreadful conspiracy.

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10 minutes ago, JPilken said:

@ Doug1943  don’t feed the trolls 

Yes, you're right.   Sometimes I can't resist trying to rescue some poor soul from perdition, but ... the mission comes first.

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@ Doug1943  you can’t save them all. Triage doug it’s just triage and for those that never learn life has a way of trying to teach them. 

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Can everyone and I mean EVERYONE stop their damn BICKERING?! We have a mission to complete and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. This is conduct that is not befitting of Americans nor is it befitting of militia volunteers. 

 

WE are supposed to be an example. If we cannot discuss things rationally amongst ourselves then why in the absolute flying FUCK are we even bothering trying to tell other people their groups are wrong? At least the left politics can unite under a common cause. We can't even unite on what we want to change! 

 

Be constructive! Not demeaning to one another! Jesus fucking Christ. 

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This is of course exactly right.

 

Disunity seems to be a serious problem on the Right, and particularly in the militia movement.

 

This is probably for two reasons:

 

(1) The movement tends to attract more than its share of what we may call ... ahem... being constructive and not demeaning now ... "strong personalities". I have some other words I can use but I won't. These people want to be in charge, and they don't like criticism.   Anyone who is familiar with military history knows that sometimes this sort of personality is not all bad: think of Patton, or Montgomery. However, you can have that sort of personality without any compensating genius.

 

There is a lefty publication called "Militia Watch" which is relatively ('relatively' is the operative word here) honest: it documents in loving detail all the splits, quarrels, angry denunciations, within the militia movement.  Probably a fun newsletter to write, depressing for our side to read, but if you're up for it, it's here: https://medium.com/militiawatch/

 

(2) Now, I don't want to sound like an, er, 'conspiracy theorist' but ... people who do not wish us well are aware of the above. Therefore, they will do what they can to exacerbate the situation. A good place to start to understand what this might be is the FBI operation called COINTELPRO, run during the 50s and 60s against the Left and the KKK.  This included anonymous letters ("Your wife is having an affair with Comrade X"); planted material and other actions to put "snitch jackets" on activists  -- ie making them think someone was an informant, when he was not: a good way to do this is  if a group of demonstrators, including the target, were arrested ... just have the local police drop charges against only the target.  The FBI also started fake Leftist groups.  Local and state police forces also put informants into the Black Panther Party  -- they had a ready supply of petty criminals who would become informants for a few dollars and a promise of non-prosecution for past crimes.

 

And if you have informants planted among the activists, have them start rumors about the target ("He certainly seems to always have plenty of money ...where does it come from?"); and FBI informants within radical groups, from the fledgling Communist Party in 1920, all the way to the final convention of SDS in 1969 -- invariably voted with and supported the most extreme faction within their organizations when there was a dispute.

 

"Agent K97" cast the deciding vote at the communists' convention, to keep the party 'underground' (and therefore ineffective -- but it sounds so rrrrrrrrrevolutionary, and it's not only on the Right that there are personality types who prefer scary rhetoric to boring day-to-day building of organizations) 

 

FBI agents at the final SDS convention in 1969 voted for the faction that would become the Weathermen, and not for the faction that wanted to do patient organizing work among the workers.  The faction that included the future Weathermen won,  and this fight led to the dissolution of SDS, an organization of 100 000 and growing.  All the main factions there were Stalinists, unlike the rank and file students who made up most of its membership, and the in-fighting led to the destruction of this organization. 

 

Maybe there's a lesson here for us?

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No worries. Troll out. Our missions are not the same. I would rather history not repeat itself globally. Looks like we're on opposing sides. 

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On 5/29/2020 at 9:06 PM, Doug1943 said:

Gracious me!  You go to the original sources wherever possible.  You read Mein Kampf. You read Lenin's and Stalin's Collected Works.  Textbooks are not very interesting. But specialist works by historians are, especially when they're arguing bitterly against each other, for example, the historikerstreit among (mainly) German historians, over their own history, or the debate about whether FDR and his close associates knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. And the first thing any student of history learns is that 'history is written by the victors' -- which doesn't mean that the truth isn't there, it's just harder to find. The shameful treatment of ethnic Germans driven from their homes and subjected to barbaric treatment after the Second World War was over is an example. Mass rape by American soldiers on Okinawa is another example.  Although it's not history, the coddling of the bankers by both Democrats and Republicans after 2008 is also something that our masters would rather we not think about.

 

As for your examples, cite some sources. I'll try to read them.  As for autobiographies, yes, they're of use, although almost always self-serving. EH Carr, in What Is History? (an excellent book, and quite short, everyone should read it) has some very telling examples of this. Few people tell the total unvarnished truth, if it reflects badly on them, or gets in the way of something they want people to believe or do. You have to read many sources, and even then, there is probably a lot we'll never know.

 

But we know enough to act rationally now.  There are few people who are totally evil, and circumstances may force us into alliance with people whom we might otherwise be in conflict with. George Soros, for example, has started a project in the US with which I am in total agreement, and I hope this particular project of his has success. In this particular area, he is an ally, and a valuable one. But I fear the conspriacy theorist mentality would reject co operating with him in this project, because it must be some sort of dreadful conspiracy.

 

MR SOROS IS "NOT " AN ALLY OF AMERICA!

HE IS AND HAS BEEN THE ENEMY!

HE IS A WOLF IS SHEEPS CLOTHING AND HAS SET HIS PLAN TO DISTROY US, OUR AMERICAN LIBERTY AND GOD GIVEN FREEDOMS TO CONTINUE EVEN AFTER HIS DEATH!

HE IS EVIL AND NEEDS TO HANG!

 

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/proof-george-soros-nazi-past-finally-comes-light-discovery-forgotten-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3Fg-qQaFyZcgZNFEEok7q2NrRa0fl4MNw-QyMoPYOYgbR8bCEMedPIj_0

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=686466865478282&id=100023449240871

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=686461442145491&id=100023449240871

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mustan9 said:

 

MR SOROS IS "NOT " AN ALLY OF AMERICA!

HE IS AND HAS BEEN THE ENEMY!

HE IS A WOLF IS SHEEPS CLOTHING AND HAS SET HIS PLAN TO DISTROY US, OUR AMERICAN LIBERTY AND GOD GIVEN FREEDOMS TO CONTINUE EVEN AFTER HIS DEATH!

HE IS EVIL AND NEEDS TO HANG!

 

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/proof-george-soros-nazi-past-finally-comes-light-discovery-forgotten-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3Fg-qQaFyZcgZNFEEok7q2NrRa0fl4MNw-QyMoPYOYgbR8bCEMedPIj_0

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=686466865478282&id=100023449240871

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=686461442145491&id=100023449240871

 

 

 

Okay, so what's your position on our foreign policy?

 

Do you think we should continue to try to 'drain the swamp' by invading and occupying countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, or supporting rebel forces (mainly jihadis) against secular regimes we don't like, as in Syria? And sending billions of dollars every year to other countries, like Pakistan?

 

Or do you think we need to pursue a foreign policy in which wars of intervention are extremely rare, the great exception to the rule ... and bring most of our troops home ... maybe having alliances with other powers if they pull their weight, but not trying to dominate the world as the sole superpower.

 

I don't know what your position is on this, but if you tell me, we can discuss Mr Soros further.

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2 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Okay, so what's your position on our foreign policy?

 

Do you think we should continue to try to 'drain the swamp' by invading and occupying countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, or supporting rebel forces (mainly jihadis) against secular regimes we don't like, as in Syria? And sending billions of dollars every year to other countries, like Pakistan?

 

Or do you think we need to pursue a foreign policy in which wars of intervention are extremely rare, the great exception to the rule ... and bring most of our troops home ... maybe having alliances with other powers if they pull their weight, but not trying to dominate the world as the sole superpower.

 

I don't know what your position is on this, but if you tell me, we can discuss Mr Soros further.

 

Let me guess...your a liberal democrat and a politician...

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On 5/14/2020 at 11:15 AM, lordchamp said:

The problem is and has been for over 200 years that we have forgotten who the Constitution was written to control.

 

It was NOT written to control US!

 

It was written to control the federal government DIRECTLY.

 

It has been twisted and we have been convinced as a people that it applies to us.

 

How many of you have read it word for word, every article. It's obvious who it applies to if you read it before amendments began being attached that started applying to us.

 

The founders intended to keep government close to the people through the more manageable state governments...NOT a distant, huge federal government.

 

The federal government was intended to be minimal in both size and capability...defense, make coinage, and very little more. States would manage all other areas as desired by the citizenry.

 

So yes, in some places you might be able to yell fire, fly a plane without a license (it happened for years by the way), make explosives (this also happened for many years),  etc, etc.

 

If the state restricted you more than you liked, you could just move to a more conducive state and vice versa if you preferred more restrictions.

 

That was the intent. Not the twisted, tyrannical beast we have now created.

 

The Constitution is dead. It died many years ago. My personal feelings are that the civil war was it's last official gasp at trying to remain alive but the dying began almost as soon as it was created.

 

Governments hate losing control...it's their ONLY power. Government cannot exist without the consent of the citizenry. When consent is removed, government ceases to exist. The Constitution directly established consent but in very narrow avenues, hence, the powers began immediately to change it and therefore kill it.

 

They succeeded...WE LET THEM!

 

I have read it word for word a lot lately... A government "for the people, by the people" and you are right "THEY" work for us. Our Constitution is the rules for them to follow, which they do not and have not. I believe in what it says, before they started twisting and adding and "deciding" what is best for us. I don't know about any of you, but I don't need an f-ing nanny. 

We did let them....but does that mean it's too late? we are just going to let them destroy us? Tear us apart with their new "tricks" and old? It is an election year. What do you all think this is really about? It's the magic trick - it's the illusion - it is the distraction from what they are really doing --- building their power and control over the masses. At what point do "We the People" and I MEAN ALL OF US stop and say NO MORE!

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4 hours ago, Mustan9 said:

 

Let me guess...your a liberal democrat and a politician...

Since I don't know your level of literacy, I can't answer the question about being a 'liberal democrat'.  If you meant to write 'liberal Democrat' then no, I'm not. If you meant, someone who believes in liberal democracy, as the term is conventionally used, then yes I am. (I don't know whether you know how the term is conventionally used, however.)  As for being a politician, no ... I have never run for office. I have worked as a  volunteer for a couple of candidates, both  Republicans, in Colorado  and California.

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