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https://www.toddstarnes.com/values/heavily-armed-black-militia-swarms-stone-mountain-on-independence-day/

 

 

Watch the video and check out a 100 plus man militia.  Armed and kitted up with some quality gear and looks like they have tactics and logistics. 

 

The groups size could take on towns and rural America easily. 

 

Meanwhile our groups are struggling to get 5 people to show up once a month.



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Exactly true...!!!  I read the article and agree with what was written; BUT here is the reality -- if you are black and do stuff like this the libtards and their supporters will say that it is their right as an American. If you are white--YOU WILL be called out as supporting white supremacy and be hounded and/or persecuted for doing this--You also will probably wind up losing your job over this depending where you work. How many people can afford to make that big of a sacrifice these days knowing that there is no one to really help them in their hour of need.  (I know I cannot and that bothers me greatly)

 

Keep up the good work.

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Does that make us a "joke", or a group of people not working hard enough, not angry enough, not filled with enough fighting spirit?

 

And is this the time to be that way?

 

The recruits are out there. The anger is out there. The FEAR is out there. We simply have to uncover it, tap into it, and then offer something more than a chance to dress up in too much tacticool gear for an opportunity to get shot at.

 

Failing that, it isn't the militias that are a joke--it's the people leading them. Not unlike the country, really.

 

If we want better, we have to BE better. So let's start now! What do you suggest we do to stop being a punchline?

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Getting the word out with sites like this is a start... I believe that as the Summer moves into Fall and the election soon upon us more and more of those who are currently straddling the fence will start to come around. Fear is a great motivator— Lord knows what life will be like on Nov. 6th. I anticipate a slew of anti-2A legislation which will antagonize even the more moderate folks. We need to capitalize on that. 

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I absolutely agree with this! Wanna know how they were able to get so many people out there, despite a lot of them not being trained?

Because they're fucking pissed, and they fully believe in their cause.

 

They blame the white man for their shitty lives, not the trash that destroys their neighborhoods, intimidate people who go through "their" turf, or those who initiate their children in gangs.

They see you all as the enemy, and they want their reparations. There are so many people in these groups that the chance of getting arrested are extremely low, they're not scared at all, the police aren't doing shit.

 

I feel like a lot of groups on here need reformed, we need to actually start building groups lead by people that are pissed off and want to end this bullshit.

We need communication between group leaders for their corresponding state and to actually plan with each other.

 

Once we get a big enough group, fully armed, fully equipped, that can actually communicate between each other, than I say we take the fight to these idiots. 

Put them down like the animals they are and make an example out of them.

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A big part of our ethics is that we Defend. Not go on the Offensive. We are the rattle snake in which shall never strike first and will always only defend. The people are indeed preparing, a sense of Patriotism is for sure growing at a steady rate. That being said - we will not shoot first. It would be a brainwashed and racist group such as what you posted that would shoot first. Now I believe deep down that once these fools shoot first a swarm of Patriots will organize and will overwhelm the situation throughout the entire country. Personally I know the most normal of people who have never held a shred of interest in politics purchasing gear, firearms and training monthly. The atmosphere is not normal. The only thing we need now is organization on all fronts.

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I'm sorry but that's the problem. "We Defend" Have you not seen the buildings that have been burned down, people getting assaulted in the street, the armed groups shouting "black power" and stopping white people demanding reparations?

How far do things need to go before a "Patriotic Group" stands up them.

You automatically label the idea of fighting them being a racist, brainwashed group, and that's another problem. 

These groups are pretty much domestic terrorists, but due to 90% of the group being black everyone is so scared to stand up to them and to be labeled racist, and it's ridiculous.

 

 

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I've never thought of any militia to be a joke.

 

However, of the militia's I've tried to contact in my area previously to finding this website, I had little response from them which tells me that they lack leadership, follow up and organization. Thus, lack of involvement and participation. Not to mention, ANY volunteer organization has it's own drawbacks.

 

The leadership of individual militia groups would need to establish their organizational structure, purpose, mission statement,

 

This may shed some light on why it is difficult to get everyone on the same page as to what a militia is and should be:

https://americanmilitiaassociation.com/well-regulated-militia/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9IX4BRCcARIsAOD2OB3hkFZ_I9iD7wX0PwcWr-qAEuuUDFpydel35rV9boLfTs6ldAqVJEoaApwoEALw_wcB

 

With that in mind: Within the group, who/what establishes who leads who, where does each member fit in, who decides what they will engage in, train for, respond to.

With so many different opinions, minds at work, attitudes, ideas as to what the individual member wants to do, work and life schedules, it's difficult to get everyone on the same page.

 

There is your HUMP. A good leader will be able to overcome these obstacles, provide guidance, structure, planning, etc. Be able to grow the numbers with dedicated, like minded honorable members that work with their fellow members as brothers, take their duty as Americans seriously enough to be willing to protect the constitution and our country's freedoms.

 

Many of us, unlike what we see in the news, are god fearing, honorable people with families, nor are we rich enough to take off work to march around and display our goods to the world on TV. Many if not all of us are law abiding citizens that do not participate in illegal activities as seen in the news by other criminal militia's, domestic terrorists, etc.

 

And even though there may not be enough well organized militia through out our nation, I'm guessing if "Stuff" hit the fan, we'd see a multitude of Patriots come out of the wood work to support our nation's freedoms and swiftly end any threats to our freedom.

 

The hope and plan would be to connect all these patriots and establish some form of communication so as to notify everyone in time of need or crisis so those in the near by any given location could respond or lend their support to those in need.

 

I found this website and it seems this website is doing exactly that.

 

I understand, looking at the dates of when many of these militia's and members joined this website, this is a work in progress, but hot damn it's a good start.

 

Wouldn't it be awesome if President Trump could post a request for backup from all his supporting patriots right here on this website and know he's tapped into every patriot Nationwide.

 

The possibilities are endless, think big. :-)

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1 hour ago, Lee RH. said:

I've never thought of any militia to be a joke.

 

However, of the militia's I've tried to contact in my area previously to finding this website, I had little response from them which tells me that they lack leadership, follow up and organization. Thus, lack of involvement and participation. Not to mention, ANY volunteer organization has it's own drawbacks.

 

The leadership of individual militia groups would need to establish their organizational structure, purpose, mission statement,

 

This may shed some light on why it is difficult to get everyone on the same page as to what a militia is and should be:

https://americanmilitiaassociation.com/well-regulated-militia/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9IX4BRCcARIsAOD2OB3hkFZ_I9iD7wX0PwcWr-qAEuuUDFpydel35rV9boLfTs6ldAqVJEoaApwoEALw_wcB

 

With that in mind: Within the group, who/what establishes who leads who, where does each member fit in, who decides what they will engage in, train for, respond to.

With so many different opinions, minds at work, attitudes, ideas as to what the individual member wants to do, work and life schedules, it's difficult to get everyone on the same page.

 

There is your HUMP. A good leader will be able to overcome these obstacles, provide guidance, structure, planning, etc. Be able to grow the numbers with dedicated, like minded honorable members that work with their fellow members as brothers, take their duty as Americans seriously enough to be willing to protect the constitution and our country's freedoms.

 

Many of us, unlike what we see in the news, are god fearing, honorable people with families, nor are we rich enough to take off work to march around and display our goods to the world on TV. Many if not all of us are law abiding citizens that do not participate in illegal activities as seen in the news by other criminal militia's, domestic terrorists, etc.

 

And even though there may not be enough well organized militia through out our nation, I'm guessing if "Stuff" hit the fan, we'd see a multitude of Patriots come out of the wood work to support our nation's freedoms and swiftly end any threats to our freedom.

 

The hope and plan would be to connect all these patriots and establish some form of communication so as to notify everyone in time of need or crisis so those in the near by any given location could respond or lend their support to those in need.

 

I found this website and it seems this website is doing exactly that.

 

I understand, looking at the dates of when many of these militia's and members joined this website, this is a work in progress, but hot damn it's a good start.

 

Wouldn't it be awesome if President Trump could post a request for backup from all his supporting patriots right here on this website and know he's tapped into every patriot Nationwide.

 

The possibilities are endless, think big. 🙂

Anti gun trump lol.....sorry but trump isnt going to be doing anything but struggling to win votes.

 

I would love for us to easily find people and get training once a month.  Learn the skills and shoot move and communicate.   However the majority are so damn complacent and lazy. Drink beer sit on your ass.  Watch tv and think it someone else's problem to lead.

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Effective leadership is the key. If we lack anything right now, from every level (especially our government) it's LEADERSHIP.

 

To those of you who think it's fear, it certainly is not. It's WISDOM. Clashing with people who are assaulting others is our duty; clashing with others who are burning buildings is our duty; clashing with others who are tearing down our monuments is our duty; but clashing with people simply because they are goading us to do so is not only NOT our duty, it's foolishness that plays right into their hands. WE ARE NOT THEM. We won't act like them. We are respectful; they are not. We obey the law; they do not. We DEFEND--they do not (they OFFEND).

 

And this isn't about rushing out to draw battle lines. The largest "force" we've seen applied that seems organized and well-armed was about a hundred people. Even the average militia could assemble a hunded-strong force of well-armed people to walk in parade formation in about five minutes, if the need was great, and we'd pull it off in fashion every bit as acceptable as the ones they show you on TV. Are we show-ponies, or work horses? I wouldn't be doing this if I thought it was for show.

 

If we appeal to lunatics, we'll attract lunatics. If we go off half-cocked, we'll never be effective, never be trusted, and never be able to gather the good will of the public when we most need it. That time is surely coming. We can't be foolish now.

 

I assure you I am every bit as angry as you are. It's what has drawn me into the battle. I'd love to shove my boot up some ass just the same as you would. WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE SHALL. But this isn't that time--not yet. We aren't ready, the situation isn't as dire as CNN would like us to believe it is yet, and it's going to get much worse. THEY are calling the tune right now. THEY are barking the orders, and among the orders they're barking is to draw out Patriots for a photo op. I want to be wise enough to be on the right side of that photo when it comes, and leave the field of battle victorious when the real fighting starts. Being drawn in by a bunch of blue-haired clowns (who aren't even running the show, but are merely human shields for the big guys when the real SHTF) and a few militant aggressors with big mouths and airsoft guns isn't who we are, and isn't who we need to be.

 

As for displays, I can't get behind the shooting of guns in the air. It makes us look like the irresponsible rednecks they say we are. It's illegal, against everything we teach about gun safety, and kinda pointless. Some form of nationwide "moment" is certainly possible, and currently Patriots who wish to publicly declare their support of the country are being encouraged on some of the social media platforms to record video of themselves "taking the oath". It's an idea I can get behind. Other than that, though, let's try to keep our focus on what it should be on--recruiting, training, raising "good will capital", and preparing to defend when the circumstances truly do call for it. A flag burned at Gettysburg would have made me angry, but preventing it isn't our right or our mission, unless it isn't their flag to burn. Preventing the toppling of a statue? Now we're getting closer. Preventing citizens from coming to harm from flying bricks or flying bullets? It's on.

 

That needs to be our mindset from this point. Anything else is just playing into our enemies' hands.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Devoted_Vet249 said:

I'm sorry but that's the problem. "We Defend" Have you not seen the buildings that have been burned down, people getting assaulted in the street, the armed groups shouting "black power" and stopping white people demanding reparations?

How far do things need to go before a "Patriotic Group" stands up them.

You automatically label the idea of fighting them being a racist, brainwashed group, and that's another problem. 

These groups are pretty much domestic terrorists, but due to 90% of the group being black everyone is so scared to stand up to them and to be labeled racist, and it's ridiculous.

 

 

You are right on target with most of your comment except that most of the rioting is being done by 20 something whites. These are clearly people looking for a cause even though it is not based on history or reality.  They don’t understand that socialism is a failed political and social system because they were fed this nonsense by liberal educators.   The misguided black protesters can’t see that they are being used for another motive. 

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3 hours ago, ROFCB Commander said:

Effective leadership is the key. If we lack anything right now, from every level (especially our government) it's LEADERSHIP.

 

To those of you who think it's fear, it certainly is not. It's WISDOM. Clashing with people who are assaulting others is our duty; clashing with others who are burning buildings is our duty; clashing with others who are tearing down our monuments is our duty; but clashing with people simply because they are goading us to do so is not only NOT our duty, it's foolishness that plays right into their hands. WE ARE NOT THEM. We won't act like them. We are respectful; they are not. We obey the law; they do not. We DEFEND--they do not (they OFFEND).

 

And this isn't about rushing out to draw battle lines. The largest "force" we've seen applied that seems organized and well-armed was about a hundred people. Even the average militia could assemble a hunded-strong force of well-armed people to walk in parade formation in about five minutes, if the need was great, and we'd pull it off in fashion every bit as acceptable as the ones they show you on TV. Are we show-ponies, or work horses? I wouldn't be doing this if I thought it was for show.

 

If we appeal to lunatics, we'll attract lunatics. If we go off half-cocked, we'll never be effective, never be trusted, and never be able to gather the good will of the public when we most need it. That time is surely coming. We can't be foolish now.

 

I assure you I am every bit as angry as you are. It's what has drawn me into the battle. I'd love to shove my boot up some ass just the same as you would. WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE SHALL. But this isn't that time--not yet. We aren't ready, the situation isn't as dire as CNN would like us to believe it is yet, and it's going to get much worse. THEY are calling the tune right now. THEY are barking the orders, and among the orders they're barking is to draw out Patriots for a photo op. I want to be wise enough to be on the right side of that photo when it comes, and leave the field of battle victorious when the real fighting starts. Being drawn in by a bunch of blue-haired clowns (who aren't even running the show, but are merely human shields for the big guys when the real SHTF) and a few militant aggressors with big mouths and airsoft guns isn't who we are, and isn't who we need to be.

 

As for displays, I can't get behind the shooting of guns in the air. It makes us look like the irresponsible rednecks they say we are. It's illegal, against everything we teach about gun safety, and kinda pointless. Some form of nationwide "moment" is certainly possible, and currently Patriots who wish to publicly declare their support of the country are being encouraged on some of the social media platforms to record video of themselves "taking the oath". It's an idea I can get behind. Other than that, though, let's try to keep our focus on what it should be on--recruiting, training, raising "good will capital", and preparing to defend when the circumstances truly do call for it. A flag burned at Gettysburg would have made me angry, but preventing it isn't our right or our mission, unless it isn't their flag to burn. Preventing the toppling of a statue? Now we're getting closer. Preventing citizens from coming to harm from flying bricks or flying bullets? It's on.

 

That needs to be our mindset from this point. Anything else is just playing into our enemies' hands.

 

 

Plenty of opportunities for militias to come for those events and they remained silent...    

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I know the sentiment is against me here--my own sentiment has been against me over the course of the last few days--but the more I think about it, the more I realize the LAST thing we need to be doing is responding with force, RIGHT NOW.

 

There are so many reasons for this it's hard to enumerate them all, but the biggest of these is that firstly, these are kids needing a good spanking, not shot. Secondly, the narrative is so soundly stacked against us that we will be virtually unable to dance to any tune except the one the bad guys call. Third, our mission should not be as a first, second, even third resort; we are the LAST BULWARK AGAINST THE TIDE OF EVIL, and this hasn't even begun to approach that level yet. Lastly, we aren't ready. We aren't trained to do anything more than show up looking bad and carrying guns. We may have some fireteam training, some survival skills, but we don't have the tools we need to even properly assess the enemy, let alone do anything more than point our guns and pull the trigger. We have to be MUCH more prepared than this.

 

Now is the time to start getting that way. Get good leaders to the front, give them good leaders to learn from, get solid experience pounded into our heads so that we can pound it into the heads of those who we command, and then WAIT OUR TURN.

 

Our turn is coming. Like it or not, we may be all there is standing between the life and death of America. That's why we can't blow our wad too soon.

 

Be present where it makes sense to be. Be "out front" with smiles on our faces and America in our hearts, because our neighbors will respond to that. Network with important people (sheriff's offices, local politicians, businessmen) in our locales. Show that we're here, that we're of strong moral character and good resolve--and then WAIT OUR TURN.

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11 hours ago, Megatron said:

Plenty of opportunities for militias to come for those events and they remained silent...    

And by "they" do you mean you?  Our guys have protected our local towns.

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21 hours ago, Budsay said:

A big part of our ethics is that we Defend. Not go on the Offensive. We are the rattle snake in which shall never strike first and will always only defend. The people are indeed preparing, a sense of Patriotism is for sure growing at a steady rate. That being said - we will not shoot first. It would be a brainwashed and racist group such as what you posted that would shoot first. Now I believe deep down that once these fools shoot first a swarm of Patriots will organize and will overwhelm the situation throughout the entire country. Personally I know the most normal of people who have never held a shred of interest in politics purchasing gear, firearms and training monthly. The atmosphere is not normal. The only thing we need now is organization on all fronts.

Very true...we should be training, learning, organizing, discovering our strengths and weakness as individuals and as groups.  We should be figuring out who are our natural leaders among us and learning how to take orders from those leaders.  We should continue to build our munitions/armouries and supply needs.  We do not need to practice marching and displaying our numbers for youtube and the media, we need to practice operating in urban and rural OP Areas...We need to operate as the Greyman, blending in and not being an immediate target but always ready to strike in defense.  We all need to develop a greater interest in gathering intelligence and disseminating that information out to our groups via email news groups and not forums that are easily monitored by adversaries and moles.  Vetting needs to be a continuous process when deciding members need to know.  Those of us who have Military/LE experience need to become mentors to cultivate and train new membership.  We should be meeting monthly for in person training and utilizing VTC (Zoom / Google Meets) for weekly agenda driven meetings from home.  Zipcode Militias should focus on developing training programs.  A chain of command should be established and duties and responsibilities given to those positions in the chain of command.  Worse thing we can do is to continue to sit around and wait for some trigger to happen and then try to organize unprepared and understress with no leadership identified.  Might as well just stay at home cross our fingers and hope our Governors will send the National Guard to our family's in distress.  Sorry to say it but our National Guard is not there to come to our homes to protect us, they will be used to security State interests and infrastructure.

 

See ya in the training room...

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So fellas, what is your common cause?  The NFAC has a cause and each of them know and understand that cause.  What is the purpose of a Militia, do you know? It is not to runaround and play boy scout with a gun.  Look to why the militia came to be in the first place.  It was to support and defend the local community. Not every one was a shooter but everyone supported the militia for security and common cause. What is your common cause?  I live in Utah and am an outsider, I am not LDS - mormon for some of us, the common cause here is religion, these folks still feel persecuted.  They do have a militia here but it is a Mormon Militia and I am not part of that.  Security is a common cause for some of my neighbors and that is where I begin, it will be a slow process but it is a beginning.  I am going to guess most of you took an oath at one point in your life. Have you ever been relieved of the oath, I would say not!  Don't be so quick to pull out your guns and beer, but show folks why we need to support each other. Use Community Support Teams to show how to become more independent of the government, use First Responders to assist local law enforcement, search and rescue and the like, have Guardians - these are you shooters, some of which will stay behind and be the home guard. These would be your older folks. It does take a village in this case, find a common cause! Look to your oath!

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This is what our groups stand by:

 

The primary goal of the militia is to form the nucleus of a strong civilian defense
organization. Furthermore, it is to maintain a constant state of readiness in the event
that it should be called up to perform its Constitutional functions.


All citizens who intend to form militia units, and those already established, are
encouraged to use this organizational structure to ensure a degree of
standardization, coordination, and parity between units and unit operations.


A militia unit can not and will not become a viable military organization, or have any
potential for effective civil defense and response, until the talk stops and purposeful
organization begins. Officers must effectively organize group efforts and provide for
training, unit organization, response strategies, intelligence, security and
communications. Logistics Officers must ensure the acquisition of resources
consistent with the tactical role assumed by the unit. Every member must acquire
and develop proficiency in the use of firearms, field and specialized equipment. Each
member must be committed to the purpose and goals of the unit.


In any organization, there needs to be a clear chain of command to insure effective
coordination of the smaller units. At the same time, units must be capable of
responding to the immediate circumstances without having to request permission to
act.


The fundamental rule guiding the organization is centralized principles and planning
with decentralized tactics and action.


To meet these goals and objectives; the organization is divided into several teams
under the direction of a command Staff.

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17 hours ago, Liberty or Death said:

And by "they" do you mean you?  Our guys have protected our local towns.

From what? 

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3 hours ago, Megatron said:

From what? 

From angry protestors.  We caught wind of the sites they were looking to target and we stood guard.  Luckily the folks that came were looking for only soft targets.

 

Now please answer my question; who is "they"?

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32 minutes ago, Liberty or Death said:

From angry protestors.  We caught wind of the sites they were looking to target and we stood guard.  Luckily the folks that came were looking for only soft targets.

 

Now please answer my question; who is "they"?

They whom?

 

Great work you showed up.  

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I have no problem with Patriots showing up, especially if the event or "threat" in question is in their area of operation. We have a duty, obviously. Even if we're not fully prepared for it, the duty remains.

 

I DO have a problem with showing up for the sake of starting, rather than preventing, a fight. We're defense; the backup to the law enforcement and national guard units who belong on the scene. Showing up and standing around has the potential to be good, or very bad. Better to coordinate with the proper agencies on the ground, let them know we're there to assist, and that we have their backs. And then HAVE THEIR BACKS; don't muscle your way to the front because you're itching for a fight.

 

I have a problem with showing up as the public face of the militia movement as a whole, but not being conscious of what that means. Leave the gear you don't need at home. That includes about half of your tactical stuff, your Confederate flags, and any other incendiary materials that paint us, to the people who hate us but also to the people who should be supporting us, with a very black brush. We aren't racists, white supremacists, or beer-swilling gun-toting rednecks, and there's no earthly reason why we should be viewed that way by the people whose support and respect we desire and deserve. In truth, we shouldn't be the face of the story at all. We should blend into the background as much as possible, the way a good secret service agent does every single day. The wrong people will seek to bring us up anyway, and get us on camera doing something stupid. Don't make it easy for them.

 

Just be smart, be cool, and be nice. Remember the movie "Road House"; be nice, until it's time to NOT be nice.

 

I'm confident you'll know right when that time might come along.

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On 7/5/2020 at 5:19 PM, Devoted_Vet249 said:

I'm sorry but that's the problem. "We Defend" Have you not seen the buildings that have been burned down, people getting assaulted in the street, the armed groups shouting "black power" and stopping white people demanding reparations?

How far do things need to go before a "Patriotic Group" stands up them.

You automatically label the idea of fighting them being a racist, brainwashed group, and that's another problem. 

These groups are pretty much domestic terrorists, but due to 90% of the group being black everyone is so scared to stand up to them and to be labeled racist, and it's ridiculous.

 

 

Have you not mobilized to defend the buildings? Have you not been out in the streets the last 5 years defending rally goers? Have you not open carried in mass numbers? Speak for yourself about standing up to a Black Supremacy group. I have stood against black supremacy groups multiple times. Don't give a damn about your skin color, if you're my enemy that is that. Brother I don't know about you but I am active. I go where I am needed. Also, you read my comment completely wrong. Im not labeling the idea of fighting them as racist. I am SAYING the ones who will shoot first WILL be the racist BLM groups. Again, I am active and mobilized. Are you?

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I can't speak for the last few years, being active duty military at the time, and open carrying being a big no-no in California, but yes, I am active now and ready to defend. when given the chance.

PS. I did misread your comment and sorry about that. 👍

 

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Some of responses I can relate too. But I am in California. I look to see how active and member strength. And they are low to none. No meetings no training so I'm a bit confused of what I should be doing to find an ACTIVE group.

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