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Federal, state, or local. You, the man or woman with the badge, the sworn LEO or FLEA and those who inhabit the many law enforcement niches in between and on all sides. This essay is directed to you, because in the end, how this turmoil about gun control turns out will depend largely upon your decisions and actions over the coming months and years.

Why is this essay titled Dear Mr. Security Agent, when it dwells mainly upon the media and coastal-dwelling urban liberals and their Utopian belief in the benefits of new gun control laws in the United States? Mr. Security Agent will protest that he is no liberal, he is ex-military, he’s a cop, he’s a fed—he’s one of the good guys! He took the same oath to defend the Constitution that you did, Buster! He doesn’t need any lectures on defending the Constitution! So why single him out in this essay?

 

Why? Because liberal bliss-ninnies in San Francisco and Boston are not issued flash-bang grenades, battering rams, body armor, flex-cuffs by the gross, and MP-5 submachine guns. No, the dirty end of the confiscation job will fall upon the shoulders of sworn law enforcement officers and gold-badged federal law enforcement agents. The LEOs and the FLEAs. That’s you, Mr. Security Agent.

We really don’t want a problem with you, believe me. And there is no reason for us to have a problem, because we both can read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and neither of us requires a team of black-robed mystics to translate its plain English into Newspeak for improved comprehension. You and I both understand what “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” means, without requiring five out of nine politically appointed Supremes to tell us that it does not mean what it very plainly states in black and white.

Now, as long as Mr. Security Agent remembers that he swore the same oath that millions of Americans swore, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, he will certainly not permit himself to take part in gun confiscation raids. But if he does, well, let’s be frank: tens of millions of Americans would then consider him to be the very domestic enemy that they swore to defend the Constitution against.

But Mr. Bracken—I can hear it now—this is the United States of America! Abuses like the ones you hypothesize simply cannot happen here. Gun registration does not always lead to confiscation, much less to extermination. We are not Germany or Russia or any of those other countries you mentioned. https://www.americanpartisan.org/2019/08/so-whats-the-matter-with-universal-gun-registration/ This is the 21st Century. America is different, and it can’t happen here. You must lay your irrational fears aside and place your trust in your government. It cannot, it will not, ever turn in the dark and tyrannical direction that you imagine.

Oh, really? Google “wrong-address SWAT raids” and read any of the dozens of articles you will find. We should trust the government not to abuse us even further, once we are disarmed and helpless to resist them? Thanks, but I don’t think so.

In 2002, in Enemies Foreign and Domestic, I wrote a fictional account of future government agents waterboarding American “detainees” in a clandestine “interrogation center.” [A long excerpt can be read here: https://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/books_efad.html ] In 2013, (and now 2019), I think that we are many steps closer to that reality. Today, we already see genital groping by federal agents and at least one Texas state trooper who was caught on film. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...ls-women-traffic-stops-article-1.1414668

We have recently learned, Mr. Security Agent, that your law enforcement comrades can read every email we send or receive with no need for a pesky and outdated warrant. Today, our cell phones come complete with undisclosed “back doors” for law enforcement use, allowing them even to be switched on remotely, to serve as no less than a secret police microphone in our very own pockets.

Next year there will be drones patrolling the skies above America, keeping a watchful “Gorgon Stare” (Google it) mega-eye out for our “public safety.” Please read “The Coming Drone Attack on America,” by Naomi Wolf, to understand the grim implications of this development for what remains of American freedom. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america

Facial recognition cameras are going up everywhere. Nearly all public and corporate video camera networks have their feeds directed to dozens of new law enforcement “fusion centers,” whose very existence is kept secret from the American people they were supposedly built to protect. (Google “fusion centers” as well. Discover more news that the liberal mainstream media don’t think you need to know.) Data-mining and Social Network Analysis by our “protectors” edges steadily toward the “Department of Pre-Crime” foreseen in the science fiction movie Minority Report.

Next, project a decade ahead to what may be considered routine law enforcement behavior, after millions of Americans refuse to comply with new firearms registration and confiscation laws. Action will beget reaction. SWAT raids will spur armed resistance, which will spur “death squad” reprisals by “off-duty” agents, exactly in the way I wrote in Enemies Foreign and Domestic. It is a natural, almost organic progression, once started—and it has started. Secret detention centers will proliferate like mushrooms in the night. The media will not report on them, even if screams are heard around the clock by neighbors. Particularly brave reporters who break the media silence to report on police abuses will disappear, or be found headless, as they are in Mexico today.

For that is what a modern “dirty civil war” looks like, in country after country, from continent to continent. If present trends continue, America is going to experience a very old witch’s brew on her home soil for the first time since the Civil War. This is my own very dark “vision of the future” (to quote the subtitle of Colonel Benson’s piece) if new and restrictive gun control laws are passed. [Read “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A Vision of the Future” https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-“vision”-of-the-future ]

So now we’re back to you, Mr. Security Agent, and your unique role in this high drama. Let me state this very clearly, both for you and for the liberal agenda-setting elites who might accidentally stumble upon this essay. Let there be no doubt about this. Let no one later say, “But we were just trying to improve public safety. We had no idea that all these disastrous unintended consequences would happen.”

I am telling you now that disastrous unintended consequences will happen if Congress passes new laws banning presently legal firearms. To make it very easy to remember, and in the spirit of our beloved Department of Homeland Security’s old color-coded security threat levels, let me spell out three lines of demarcation.

The Yellow Line:

The yellow warning line will be crossed with national gun registration laws, including laws forbidding private gun sales without government permission. When that law passes, millions of Americans will feel that they have been pushed directly to the edge of the abyss above the mass graves of history. Defenders of the Second Amendment know what happened in Turkey, the USSR, Germany, China, and other nations that fell under totalitarian rule: in every case a necessary preliminary step on the road to genocide was national gun registration, followed by confiscation. The Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust say, “Never again!” And so do we.

The Red Line:

The red line will be crossed with the passage of laws mandating that currently owned weapons, ammunition magazines, and ammunition quantities above a certain number must be turned in to authorities or destroyed, and thereafter their simple possession will be a felony. At that point, the nation will be on a hair trigger, with a thousand flaring matches nearing a thousand primed cannon fuses aimed directly at the next Fort Sumter.

The Dead Line:

The next line requires a bit of history to explain. In some primitive Civil War POW camps, where lack of funding or logistical constraints did not allow the construction of proper fences, a knee-high continuous railing of wooden slats encircled the prison grounds. Guards with rifles were positioned at the corners and in crude towers. If a prisoner so much as stepped over the narrow plank, he was shot dead without warning, obviating the need for a real fence to contain him. Hence the term “dead line.” Cross the line and people die, right now.

And this is what liberal Utopians must understand: after passing the yellow line with national gun registration and transfer requirements, and the red line by making possession of currently legal firearms felonious, the dead line will be breached with the first SWAT raids upon citizens suspected of owning legal firearms made illegal by the new gun control laws. People will die resisting confiscation, in large numbers.

Confiscation crosses the dead line, make no mistake about it.

So this essay is really for you, Mr. Security Agent, because it won’t be elite Manhattan or Malibu liberals or Ivy League professors or politicians or columnists who will be ordered to strap on the sweat-stained body armor and enforce the new gun control laws at gunpoint. No, that grim task will fall to you.

But as long as you are an honorable agent of the people while an employee of the government, and as long as you honor your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, then you will encounter no problems at all with gun owners. Why? Because you will refuse to take part in gun confiscation raids. Period. End of sentence, end of paragraph.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is the leading American law enforcement agency, at least in terms of its long history and high prestige. Dear Mr. Security Agent, please consider that F.B.I. also stands for Fidelity, Bravery, and Integrity. Soon, your fidelity to your solemnly sworn oath may be severely tested. It will take a lot of bravery to make your personal integrity a higher calling than following illegitimate orders, simply to maintain your steady paycheck and benefits.

On the other hand, if you no longer resemble the upstanding and honorable federal agents I have known in the past, if that whole oath-to-the-Constitution shtick was a big fat joke to you and you would accept a transfer to the old Soviet KGB or East German Stasi for a ten percent pay raise…then we are definitely going to have a problem. So that oath you swore really matters, one way or the other, and so does your personal sense of honor.

Dear Mr. Security Agent, let me spell it out. If you find yourself in the sub-basement of an annex to a secret intelligence center on the far end of town, waterboarding citizens into revealing the locations of suspected “illegal caches” of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legally owned in 2019, then know this one simple fact: tens of millions of Americans will most surely consider you a betrayer of your sworn oath and a traitor to your country.

And so, if you find yourself silently dismounting a covert SWAT vehicle at zero-dark-thirty, dressed all in body armor, counting down to the time-coordinated explosion of battering rams and flash-bang grenades, on a raid against a sleeping household intended to result in the confiscation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legal to own in 2019, millions of Americans who also swore an oath to defend the Constitution will consider you their domestic enemy, and they will resist you with force of arms. Just as the soldiers of King George were resisted on another notable gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775. It used to be called “The Shot Heard ’Round the World.”

You may consider the sentiments expressed above to be absurd, hyperbolic, dangerous, ridiculous, or simply wrong-headed. But please understand that tens of millions of Americans feel this way to their cores, and they will not be disarmed without a fight. Well-meaning but naive liberals should understand the certain-to-follow consequences of new gun control laws intended to disarm their fellow citizens in the name of “public safety.” LEOs and FLEAs should understand the dire consequences of participating in gun confiscation raids, in direct violation of their sworn oaths to uphold the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.

The unintended consequences of this misguided utopian fool’s crusade to ban guns would include a second civil war as agonizingly painful as the first one, if not more so, since there would be no front lines and no safe areas for anybody, anywhere. Every sane American wants to prevent such a calamitous outcome as a “dirty civil war” on United States soil.

But know this: those tens of millions will never be quietly disarmed and then later forced at government gunpoint onto history’s next boxcars. If boxcars and detention camps are to be in America’s future, then you, Mr. Security Agent, will have to disarm us the hard way first. Not Piers Morgan, not Michael Moore, not Rosie O’Donnell, not Dianne Feinstein, not Chuck Schumer.

You.

The above was taken from the complete Dear Mr. Security Agent, which was originally published at Western Rifle Shooters Association by Matt Bracken

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I completely understand where you're coming from. But in most states the law says, if you are convicted of a violent crime, or a felony, child abuse, pedophiles, some high misdemeanors. You are not allowed to own, be in the presence of a firearm of any kind. So although I agree with you as a former LEO the decision to confiscate law abiding citizens guns would cost me my job. Just to say this,laws have been in effect for a long time that restricts gun ownership. 

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11 hours ago, 1041 said:

I completely understand where you're coming from. But in most states the law says, if you are convicted of a violent crime, or a felony, child abuse, pedophiles, some high misdemeanors. You are not allowed to own, be in the presence of a firearm of any kind. So although I agree with you as a former LEO the decision to confiscate law abiding citizens guns would cost me my job. Just to say this,laws have been in effect for a long time that restricts gun ownership. 

Your post seems to illude that because there are laws on the books you’ll stand buy and enforce new laws to get paid. 

So what are you saying? 

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What I am saying is if you saw your neighbor beating his wife while holding a gun to her head, I would enforce the law. I would de-escalate the situation remove the weapon and arrest the wife beater. The charges made at the time of arrest would go to a judge to determine the judgment of the case. Yes in the color of the law if that man was charged with a felony and armed himself he would be arrested and the gun would be confiscated. I understand unfair gun laws I also understand a drunk idiot holding his wife at gunpoint should not be armed. Agree or disagree I have been in situations like that, it's get that situation under control or watch him shoot his wife and maybe me. And if it happened to one of your loved ones you might feel like the guy shouldn't have a gun. As far as the new laws being passed if I were asked to enforce them I would refuse and lose my job.  It doesn't make any sense to believe I would  enforce laws that were against our 2nd amendment rights. 

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Wow saving a life or two means nothing to you even if it is your life. I hope you never have that situation but if you are may the Agent make it in time.

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Law-abiding American citizens who are participating in legal activities shall never be fearful of government reprisal.

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The LEO,s that I know personally will not enforce laws that are against the Constitution, at any cost. I've already talked to them and the Sheriff. They are fully aware of what could happen. With the defunding of the police department we are seeing massive retirement and job changes. These are hard choices but they have been made by law abiding citizens who will not stand for 2nd amendment violations. There are young deputies that may or may not feel the same way. I do know if the enemy of my enemy is my friend we have more power. So don't estrang yourself from the LEOS talk to them make friends with them and have their backs, they will have yours. 

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The law around this part of Florida will never show up for anything but maybe a dead body being reported there are drug dealers all over and they do nothing, there are thieves roaming the neighborhood at night and they do nothing in fact they said we should take care of it, but it is hard to trust those who refuse to do their job, but if it profits them in some way they would show up I live in the corner of the county which is no excuse and I hate drug dealers and would love to be able to clean the neighborhood we have a crime watch who seems to know the dealers but does nothing against them.

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On 4/17/2020 at 11:52 PM, 1041 said:

What I am saying is if you saw your neighbor beating his wife while holding a gun to her head, I would enforce the law. I would de-escalate the situation remove the weapon and arrest the wife beater. The charges made at the time of arrest would go to a judge to determine the judgment of the case. Yes in the color of the law if that man was charged with a felony and armed himself he would be arrested and the gun would be confiscated. I understand unfair gun laws I also understand a drunk idiot holding his wife at gunpoint should not be armed. Agree or disagree I have been in situations like that, it's get that situation under control or watch him shoot his wife and maybe me. And if it happened to one of your loved ones you might feel like the guy shouldn't have a gun. As far as the new laws being passed if I were asked to enforce them I would refuse and lose my job.  It doesn't make any sense to believe I would  enforce laws that were against our 2nd amendment rights. 

Thank you for your service 1041.

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December 2020 and we are at the brink of civil war and communist are trying to take over our nation many of them are FBI and CIA and Homeland Security Gina Haspel director of the CIA was arrested for reason in November the election was stolen by the democrats in league with China and Israel and the FBI, CIA and a lot of Congressmen and Senators in both parties because they want their old political regime back where they can screw the people of the United States some more without an Honest President who does what he says he will do President Trump is the best president we have had in 100 years and the communist media and politicians can't stand a man of integrity the Communist media will not even allow the President of the United States to go on TV and make a speech this is his most important speech revealing the treason we are enduring as Americans because they are trying to deprive us of the duly elected President   https://youtu.be/u2ZkGBn5Z2E We cannot allow this to happen this is a reason for Civil war the Bolsheviks are at our door Trump could invoke the Insurrection Act which would bring martial law I think he should do just that if he doesn't it may be up to us.

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9 hours ago, AmericanDream said:

Thank you for your service 1041.

Your welcome, and now I want to be a part of whatever it is that is needed to insure our rights. Not limited to but especially our 2nd amendment rights. 

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Patriot 1776 American

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Any gun confiscation is against the Constitution, they always try and say safety is the reason or use something to pull at your heart stings and then you just give end. STOP it's time to WAKE UP they will say and do anything to disarm you to give them total control ( China ) ... they will tell you what you can do, how many kids you can have, where you can travel or if you can, WAKE UP ... and if you don't give up your gun you can't feed your family ... see how that works ? Remember at the start of this country people died because they were taking guns away. They died so you and me could stay free, but they had to die. That means some people will have to die to stop them ... maybe me maybe you ... I hope not but it takes a stand by WE THE PEOPLE and so if I have to die to save my family and many people then so be it. But lets hope it doesn't come to that. Stand up now and I mean STAND UP TOGETHER now and we won't have to give our life we will only have to give our voice.  

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@1041 you have it twisted, dangerous freedom over safe slavery. EVERY gun law is an infringement. Even the ones preventing felons from owning guns. If they are such a danger to the public they shouldn't be out of prison. Even the men and women in prison have a right to bear arms, no matter how heinous the crime, the only thing is, while in prison they do not, and obviously should not have the ability to exercise that right. If rights are able to be taken away then they are not rights, they are priveleges in your logic. I would rather us a nation be free from tyranny rather than "saving a life or two". Even if that means I would die. The police are the equivalent of redcoats, you can not call ourselves free when someone has complete authority over you. The way this nation was meant to be was to have citizens enforce laws and conduct arrests on behalf of the sherriffs elected by the people. The thin blue line enforces "legal" laws that void the constitution. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. You can argue facts about how ugly and unsafe the country would be if we got rid of the police, that is besides the point. Freedom is not meant to be safe, that is something everyone has twisted on here. There would be no tyranny like this year if it werent for police enforcing these orders. Its not gonna be polititians stacked on your door to take your ammo and guns, it'll be your boys in blue. I know you say your friends wont enforce it but there are many people to fill their shoes that would find it patriotic to do so.

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Wow I might as well put a bullet in my head now, alongside every soldier,millions veterans. If you want to give all felons a gun that would include the person who raped the girl at gun point and gets out of prison and moves in next-door to you and your family. If he comes after your family and your not around,maybe they shouldn't call the police. God forbid we mess with his rights. It's not the LEO  that let's your felon out of prison, it's the criminal justice system. Laws keep you safe from murderers and the like. Do you really think the man who molested a child shouldn't be monitored?  If he is, is that not infringement of his rights? You have not served in the military and taken an oath of any kind so who's to say what side your on. If you are a patriot, what are you a patriot of?  Do you sware as a patriot to upload the Constatution? Are you going to take guns away from your neighbors who served in some fashion and took that terrible oath? That makes you as bad as the same people you are saying would take your guns. The whole system is a flawed one. If you can up come with a valid solution than you are smarter than our founding fathers.  They understood the value of a LEO. They invented the oath, they built the prisons they wrote the laws. They built the criminal justice system. I took that oath i defended the helpless. If you don't want me fighting by your side,then move over I'll fight by a fine Veterans side.

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@1041 You put words in my mouth I never said, and I took an oath when I enlisted in the Marines as an infantryman, i'm just not going to use it as an argument. It does not make me better than any civilians or non vets. I served with people who took that oath and don't give a shit about it, only went for college ect.. But You must not understand, if someone such as "felons" shouldn't be able to possess arms what makes you think they should be out of prison? You think for example someone who committs a nonviolent crime, like tax evasion should not be able to possess a firearm when they get out? They have family to defend also? I served with men, in the infantry who could shoot and carry a m240, saw, grenade launcher, rocket launcher. But they could not possess a weapon of their own because they got in a fight as a teen or something petty. What I'm saying is if one persons rights don't matter to the government nobody elses do and it is a threath to all of us. All the government has to do is label you a felon then and then you have no rights. Rights are inalieable. Again if they are not they are priveleges. My family has personnally been effected from child abusers, Do I want child molesters to be armed? No they should not be able to walk the street out of prison. Yes our system is messed up and broken, but infringing on others is not a way to fix it.  The statement you typed quoted is nothing further than the truth, our founders would be rolling in their graves.  "They understood the value of a LEO. They invented the oath, they built the prisons they wrote the laws. They built the criminal justice system."

In colonial times there were no police. The only people enforcing laws and making arrests were the redcoats. I'm not trying to be insulting, it is the truth, it took me time to come to my senses. You know the only thing trying to stop people from defending their property was? The police. People die because they are to afraid of protecting their life or property and don't want to go to jail.

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What about the Wife beating your neighbor Friend? That works Both ways my friend! I can only say that if

some Official tried to force himself, or herself into our home, and force me to do their will. I will defend my Family, 

and at that point, they have made themselves my enemy, and will be Terminated.

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I was a LEA/Animal Control Officer. I stood between a young man and his wife against a robbery. He got in through a window. The family called 911 i just happened to be around the bock. The dad got to the front door and let in and locked the family in the bedroom. I came through the house and told him to stop and raise his hands. It's not like the movies. He turned and fired hitting me in the shoulder. I fell and shot him in the leg. I was able to arest him with out killing him or dieing myself. He was a felon,drug charges. He stole a gun,now he has more felony charges. He served some time but is now on home confinement. That is not my fault but I took his gun. He gave up his rights of many kinds. He broke the law and he is out of prison that isn't my fault either. I am pissed off. I did my job,got shot doing it and he's out of prison. That belongs to the criminal justice system. I agree some charges carry a stiff sentence, I didn't write the laws. I have a job to do. Don't break the law and there shouldn't be any problems. That said cops work off the information they are given. It's not their fault if the address is wrong, they take orders just like anyone else with a job. As far as the person who got in a fight and couldn't have a gun. I was in a fight and got stabbed at 15. I and the other kid both had guns after. He was a guard at prison and I was a LEO. I certainly don't know what happened to the person you are referring to. But if the charges were that bad he shouldn't have been able to enlist. We are all just people out here making a living. The government is corrupt, the laws aren't fair. None of us want to do our jobs sometimes. As far a gun confiscation,it happens and then it's on the government to deal with it. I WILL NOT!!! Just come to my neighbors house and demand his guns just because the new government says I have to. I will refuse and take what comes. And I will stand and fight for the 2nd amendment RIGHTS against enemies foreign and domestic.But whoever breaks the laws on the books now will be dealt with by police then it goes to the system to be handled. If new laws are placed to take away innocent people's guns I would give up my job. Are you that denecated? 

 Can you leave your family to fight for your rights. The front line has to make that choice if the time comes. You get the time to think about it. 

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2 hours ago, Chaplain said:

What about the Wife beating your neighbor Friend? That works Both ways my friend! I can only say that if

some Official tried to force himself, or herself into our home, and force me to do their will. I will defend my Family, 

and at that point, they have made themselves my enemy, and will be Terminated.

If you want to beat your wife that's on you. If you stand by and do nothing while someone is being beaten and you do nothing that's on you. If someone calls on a domestic and it is going on in the officers sight he has to do something. If it's inside your home unless there is imminent loss of life there wouldn't be a forced entry. From there it's on you.

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With all of the laws that Congress has made and state lawmakers have made small crimes that were once misdemeanors but are now felonies I think you might understand why felons should have their rights back after serving their time I know a lot of people who have felonies from drug busts but they haven't taken drugs in twenty years nor have any desire to do so and it is expensive to get your rights back through a lawyer these people should have the right to own arms and everyone I know who have had felonies twenty years ago are now patriots as much as anyone else just because some people have felonies from violence must not mean much because a lot of police lost their jobs when they denied people gun ownership over a domestic abuse case a lot of police had domestic abuse problems some how though they got around that law and a lot of police out there should not be police at all they are psychopaths, personally I don't trust police who get tattooed all over they have a problem. Soon if they make Gun laws all of us gun owners will be felons if we have a 30 round clip.

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That goes to show more laws more felony charges don't do anything. Those people deserve to be locked up for good if they can't function in society. I'm sure a lot of british didn't make the laws or agree with them, along with many other regimes. You can NOT give up inalieable rights. Like I said again and again, rights can't be given up. Your ability to exercise rights can be taken by placing you in prison. There is no such thing as 2nd ammendment rights. The 2A is OUR limitation placed on the government. Not the government granting us freedom. As someone who claims to be a constitutionalist I adise you to study it a bit more. I have a few channels that can explain it further if you need it. I am not doubting your will or ability that you will or will not stand your ground when they come to take your guns. What I am saying is America is not supposed to be about safety and security, it is about freedom and liberty. It is not the governments job to ensure our safety. I am not doubting that you love your country and have ill will.

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I agree there bad cops and bad people they all need to be dealt with. So if you have all of the answers feel free to let us in on them. Im open to all salutations that make sense. 

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Some bad people learn by their mistakes and become good people if there is anyone who is "Good" there are no answers to all of these problems but that government need to live by the rule of law that everyone else has to live by something they have not been doing they don't mind violating your rights and that in itself should be a felony, look at the lies we are living under right now they are designed to separate the people the lies about a virus when it has never been isolated is yet the worse crime of all but we are doing nothing about it.

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Guys, let's not get tangled in the weeds here. The question is not about gun rights for felons. We can take away that right, just as we take away the right to vote, for felons, and do a number of other things. That is not the issue here. The issue here is banning weapons and then confiscating them, not from specific people, but from everyone. It is about politicians, or even worse bureaucrats, deciding to make legally owned guns, illegal. About requiring all legal citizens to get a permit to own, buy or carry a gun. These all violate the constitution.

 

But it's also about something bigger than gun laws. Since this was written, the PTB have expanded their reach into our lives, beyond anything the constitution would allow. Telling us we can not earn a living, can not go to worship, can not go to eat, or have friends over to our house, or even just go out and look at the sun in some areas. They are mandating what we must buy, and wear, and what we can say. All of these are protected rights under the constitution. They lack the authority. And any LEO that knowingly violates a citizen's rights by enforcing these unconstitutional laws or rules, is violating his oath. 

 

These are the problems we (and LEOS, and maybe soon the military) currently face. This is what the article was really about. When LEOs put their orders above their oaths. All LE derive their authority from the constitution, so when they violate it, they loose their authority, and all they have left is brute force. Some are fine with that. Which is why they want to make sure we do not have guns to protect ourselves. And why they want to weed out any LEOs that put their oath above their orders. 

 

Stay focused on the real shit, and stop getting pulled into the minutiae and bogged down in details and arguments. If you think laws removing a felon's right to own a gun are unconstitutional, argue that in it's own thread. But be sure to also argue for giving them back all their rights, like the right to vote, and the right not to be identified as a sex offender and/or having to report to LE even after serving your time, etc. Otherwise you are being inconsistent. If you think that the constitution gives citizens the right to own any weapon, including fully auto, etc., vote for folks who agree with you. Or push for a constitutional amendment to give or take away some aspects of the right to keep and bear. Personally, I'm fine with felons loosing that right. I am also of the opinion that the 2nd applies to all weapons. But I look at places like Somalia and I see the value to limiting some weapon ownership. But the way we do it is wrong. We need to amend the constitution, not create laws that violate it, just because they might make sense. 

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I have no way to know what other people are thinking unless the post it. In rebuttal to comments made I stated my opinion and position. As a disabled LEO I have my convictions same as you all do. I may have over stayed my position, but I felt I needed to defend myself in that I was being put in the same light as a LEO who has no moral conviction. I will stand up and fight against any breach of my Constatution and any bill of rights infraction. If being a disabled LEO is a problem then I will stand with people who understand that I will have their 6 and anywhere else I'm needed. 

 

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Excellent read! The only thing I suggest is; 1) Don't use Google for anything, use Duck Duck Go instead and 2)After reading this, I change my thinking a bit, this will be a Revolutionary/Civil War to some extent but more a War against an ideal.  Those that don't believe in the Constitution as it stands, and those that do.  I am quite sure, those LEO's that you speak of, know there are millions of firearm owners here in America, and that does scare them a bit.  We have many bad LEO's in this Country and the only one I truly trust, is the Sheriff's of this great nation, as they are elected by the people, of the people and for the people.  God bless America!  HOOAH!

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