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they removed gun groups what makes you think militias are not next , its the same 2nd amendment !!

 

Is the Patriot Movement Helping With Its Own Demise on Facebook?

 

 

People in the patriot movement spend a lot of time talking about their patriot activities on social media. I’ve covered why this is a bad idea over and over, and will continue to do so. In the midst of the meme-sharing, ranting and planning various activities, however, there’s something else going on every day: Social engineering.

 

Social engineering is defined as “an attack vector that relies heavily on human interaction and often involves tricking people into breaking normal security procedures.” For people in the movement, that breaks down to “an attack that tricks you into giving up critical information.” There is almost no easier way to trick patriots into giving up information than Facebook. It’s a tactic used by federal agents and assets, but in many cases they don’t even need to engage in social engineering because patriots are doing it to themselves and each other without even realizing it—and with the best of intentions. In these cases, someone merely needs to swing by and collect the information left out for them to find by careless people. While I won’t use names of individual people or groups, I’ll paste some actual comments from real-life examples. If you recognize one of these comments as your own, then I encourage you to take the energy you want to spend trashing me, and use it to think about what I’m saying. Let’s get started.

 

Roll Calls

How It Works: The Commander or Member of Random Patriot Group posts a roll call thread, and asks members who are active to post a comment, and calls for each of the other members to report in by codename. Members respond with that codename or callsign in their comments. The commander goes on to announce that he wants people to think about a face to face meeting with the following:

 

We all need to get together real soon. Hell boy. Ogre, reaper,widow maker, pharaoh, sasquatch, loonatic, watchtower. You all down for a get together?

 

What just happened? What can be linked together? In the 20 comments on that particular thread, ten of the members of that group are now identified by name and matched to their callsign/codename. From there it’s a simple exercise to go to their pages and start collecting more information about their schedules, personalities, and more—all of which can be used for further engineering attempts.

 

Another party in another thread asks for people to comment with “name and zone.” People respond—130 comments worth—with names, locations, and positions. Some of them give extra information, such as what they’re trained in. Within the thread, some post a comment saying their location is “classified,” and are promptly chastised by the leadership for not following the directive. Perhaps the most disturbing part is when the leadership denigrates those who choose not to comment as being “inactive” or “not dedicated.” Anyone can simply take the state map, thoughtfully provided by the leadership so members can figure out what zone they belong to, and start making notes. How many people are in each zone? Where are the leadership of that group located? What is the group’s response capability to a specific area in the state?

 

Many argue that, “We only do that in our closed/private FB groups.” Two things you need to be aware of: 1) If it’s on Facebook in any capacity, it is NOT private. 2) If your vetting process for allowing members into your closed and “private” groups is checking out their Facebook page, you are failing.

 

Planning Threads

How It Works: Someone in Random Facebook Group posted a thread like the following: “We’ve got an FTX this weekend and here are the coordinates. Who’s in?” The problem is that people love to talk about what they’re doing, because within the movement people feel the need to justify themselves as “real patriots” by openly discussing their activities–because if you’re not doing things where everyone can see, you must not be doing them at all. It sounds almost ridiculous but that’s often the mindset. In this article we’re only concerned with the second type of comment: the one where they outline in detail their patriot activities for the weekend, in which they either announce their plan to go to the FTX, or they defend why they are not going. Here are a few of the comments:

 

I’m going out to _______ to test my new ______ rifle. If anyone wants to come, the GPS coordinates of the pit are ________.

 

I’m getting together with [five tagged friends] to do patriot sh*t.

 

I’m working on my preps. I have almost a whole year of food now!

 

In this case, the original thread was posted by a prominent member of a group, who most of them know personally. However, it could have just as easily been posted by an asset or someone looking to collect information. No matter who posted it, now the information is there for anyone to pick up and use. And what information did we glean just from these comments? Keep in mind that all of these comments had real names attached, with profiles behind them chock full of more information to use.

 

Surveys and Advice Threads

How It Works: Someone posted a thread asking about what method of communication patriots choose to use with each other. People fell all over themselves answering. They talked about exactly what they use: Wickr, Signal, Telegram, whatever. Some of them put up their various usernames and encouraged people to contact them. What just happened here? What was openly laid out for all to see, on an open FB thread? One of the most powerful ways to get people to give you information is to simply ask them for advice, such as “What do you suggest?”

 

Think about what you could glean with the following threads in various types of groups:

 

Medical – “I’m trying to set up a unit level medical kit. What do I need? What do you suggest?”

 

Tactical – “What firearms are the best for keeping in my vehicle? How much ammo should I have? How often should we train? What should we be focusing on?”

 

Communications – “I’m trying to get my group set up on solid comms. What should we be using?”

 

Security – “What vetting process do you guys use?”

 

Support – “We’re trying to set up safehouses and supply caches so we’re looking for ways to get started. Can anyone help point us in the right direction?”

 

What do all of these threads have in common? How would people respond? Is it a logical conclusion to think that people would respond with what they and their groups are doing, out of a desire to share information in a helpful way? What are the odds that the people who answer can be cross-checked against the information you received in other threads to pinpoint who a unit or group’s area focal is and how prepared/trained/supplied he is? How many people would put that information out on the thread? How many would take it to Facebook messages in an effort to be “secret?”

 

 

 

Here’s the thing. Most groups have not even sat down to consider what their critical information is, who is trying to get it, and what the effects of them getting it are. The amount of information that can be gleaned just from the three types of fishing expeditions above is staggering, and those are just three of the myriad of tactics available to a skilled social engineer. Put together with basic profiling techniques, statement analysis, OSINT research, and a little bit of cross-referencing, and you can flesh out an incredible picture of any given group, including:

 

  • Group hierarchies and identification of leadership.
  • Exploitable weaknesses and points of failure both on a group and individual level.
  • Tactical capabilities and training locations and schedule
  • Medical capabilities and level of personnel training
  • Ability to respond to a given threat
  • Member mindset.
  • Communications savvy and capability
  • Vetting procedures and security protocols
  • Cohesiveness of the group
  • Future plans for activities and training
  • Level of gear and supplies
  • SHTF fallback positions

The list goes on and on. The sad thing is, this doesn’t even take into account the posts that people make on their own pages; selfies at various locations (“Here’s me and my team at our last training!”), videos (anyone with a camera phone has become a talking head without regard for the greater message), and much more. 99% of these threads are started by what are probably very well-meaning, solid folks. The problem is that intent does not matter when the results are the same. Ask yourself: How can the above information be leveraged? Is it critical for you to keep that under wraps?

 

Information is power, as the saying goes. So why does the movement give away that power so easily? Assets and federal agents don’t even need to put traps out there; the movement makes its own traps and people walk right in. The amount of information (and disinformation) on Facebook alone during Malheur was mind-blowing. In an effort to be “part of it,” people claimed to be privy to secret information, posted dissertations of their viewpoints, and engaged in enough infighting to turn social media into a battleground all its own—which, by the way, is its own kind of negative propaganda.

 

We need to control the message; more importantly, we need to control the information flow. Stop laying traps and springing them yourselves. Stop using Facebook as a networking tool. Stop giving away your own critical information so easily. Learn from the movement’s past mistakes; blind allegiance to any and all ‘leaders’ regardless of failed tactics or bad planning is stupid and dangerous. We all make mistakes; we should be trying a lot harder, however, not to.

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Facebook and Social Networks should only be used as recruitment tools, "My Militia" is a site that is Independently owned and operated with no special interests other than revitalizing the american militia and returning honor and dignity to the american patriot

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I recently responded to another thread here in regards to being out in the open and some risks and considerations when you do so, especially on social networks and forum websites (even this one). If you just for a moment consider a potential enemy is digging into your messages and threads it can go along way to get you to think a bit about what you are posting about yourself and your group. Everything you say or do CAN be used against you. We have seen this with over two dozen people arrested for their involvement in Nevada and Oregon. The charging documents are full of references to facebook posts, youtube videos and more all acting as supporting evidence of the charges these men and women are now facing.

 

In March of 2010 the U.S. Marshalls showed up at my home in Maryland on a civil complaint and took all of my computer equipment, paper files and more. Long story short, I operated a multitude of websites regarding Free-to-air satellite reception and was sued by Dish Network for 3.2 million dollars. The lawyers for Dish Network were able to take leave for discovery purposes and what that meant was they were able to issue a long stream of subpoenas for information from Facebook, PayPal, Google, YouTube and other online services having not only to do with my case directly but other cases as well. Most of these companies just handed over this information without any notification to me or the owners of the accounts information and details were provided for, including several hosting companies of private websites and forums. In general, the power of large corporations, the government and the courts is very extensive. If they want your information they will hunt it down and you might be complacent and totally unaware of these proceedings.

 

I have also been in the Internet industry since the 1990s, having owned and operated an ISP that provided basic Internet access, website hosting and server co-location services. Several local police agencies, FBI the NSA and even Secret Service had on multiple occasions made formal and informal requests for client data, emails, files and other information. Many of these requests were attached with threats of legal action against my company if we did not comply or notified our clients of the request. These agencies can be very intimidating. For the most part we refused to cooperate without a court order, unless the content being provided from our client through our network involved child pornography - where we took immediate action. I know undoubtedly that other providers would simply hand over any information requested without even thinking about it out of fear of some action against them by these agencies.

 

The bottom line of course is that you should simply think about what you post online. Would you be okay with it being published in a newspaper? Would you be okay with it being on file with your local DA or federal prosecutor? Would you be okay with it being in the hands of a potential enemy out to do you and your group harm? What you put out there can never be considered safe, no matter how private you think the communication is, including PGP encrypted messages. Even in your own groups you may have moles that report back to the agencies they are working for, although that is another subject entirely, however what you may think are private electronic communications with such persons can also be intercepted by a potential enemy.

 

If you have no fear or care not about potential adversaries getting a hold of the information you put out there, I can appreciate that. I do respond to roll calls for some groups I am part of and other such things. I post on facebook groups about patriot issues, training, etc. and do not care that I am on some government watch list. I do not mind anyone knowing who I am, where I live and where I stand. Molon Labe! I do however respect the privacy of others in the groups I am part of and follow operational security as directed by leadership. One thing I will never do is post about any arms or ammunition I may or may not have and will not take or allow photos of me with any of them. A simple example of how that could be dangerous is in the case of the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum, where a photo was found with him having a 9mm pistol in his left pocket. Whether or not the 9mm found on him was owned by him or if it was a plant, the agents knew about it in advance of the take down operation due to that posted photograph. Be safe, and don't give away the store.

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Facebook sucks, anyone who follows me on Facebook knows that my participation is low. I use it mostly for recruitment purposes. (I also have a business thing I do on Facebook, but that is work and a totally separate issue). That being said, I am on the opposite end of this topic. We are a very open group. We have invited law enforcement officers to train with us. We have two reserve deputies as members. Most of our trainings are open to the public meaning that the community can come participate without even being members. Now you might think that this makes us vulnerable and I would disagree. We have our secrets and those secrets are not allowed to be shared via any electronic devise, those secrets are not even shared with the members. Anything that is shared with members is treated as public information, because I only know a few people in real life that have true vetting resources. Most militias, including my own, do not have the proper resources to do true vetting, so we don't even bother.

 

Most of that stuff that people think they can gather online will be complete dismantled as soon as SHTF and will be completely worthless. There are some things you don't share on that internet, but that list isn't as big as people believe.

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I agree that Facebook still has its purposes. Basically, to be used as intel drop from other groups & also, news media. I use it for those purposes, recruiting & to spread the word about this site.

I am still in contact with several militias there, and have our own secret group that people cannot "search" for nor be added unless they are invited. A brother, & true patriot, which is also a Marine; is still in jail from the Oregon deal. I try to keep in touch with them via Facebook.

I feel eventually, all gun groups & pages will be deleted by Facebook staff. Fuckbook is ran by anti christian, anti-american & pro muslim activist. I even have proof that one of the main moderators is a muslim from Syria. She cannot be "blocked" no matter how many times you click it.

It is, what it is. Facebook is a complete joke now.

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I have Never used face buk or any of the other similar sites! I see absolutely NO reason to do so!!!

I am listed on all the sites by my "handle" and my location is shown only as Colorado. I may not be as secure as I would like, But I am sure as hell Not going to give the farm away to a bunch of people I do not know - Regardless of who/what they say they are! I also almost never give out my phone nr even tho it is unlisted/unregistered and billed to a PO box.

Sarge

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I'm Compiling a library of useful podcasts and a small amount of music for and emergency/shtf FM Radio broadcast for my area or retreat if need be. Is anyone here with a good radio voice interested in making some useful PSA's for disasters/emergencies?

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I'm Compiling a library of useful podcasts and a small amount of music for and emergency/shtf FM Radio broadcast for my area or retreat if need be. Is anyone here with a good radio voice interested in making some useful PSA's for disasters/emergencies?

we have our own radio show friend, you need to talk to @Richard@SUFYR he may be able to help you out

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With the FACT that FB, Google, Yahoo, Hotmail and Twitter OWN every post, picture and text you make to those sites, should make one pause even for recruiting. The Feds are infiltrating anything and all things pro-Constitution and pro-white. We are considered more of a 'domestic terrorist' than the friggin' muzzy scumbags who are infiltrating our country. One could be attempting to recruit a sincere non-fed rat OR one could be recruiting a fed rat who will everything they can to get you arrested for some trumped up bullshit and ruin your life if nothing else.

Like Mr. Kluver, I too was a victim of Big Brothers anti-American ways. Being a former Marine, having combat experience and by being white (which is now a crime too, in the pigs eyes) I have been investigated by not only the feds, but the Secret Service. Yeah. Go figure. Be anti-illegal, anti-BLM, anti-Homo and question the holohoax, you'll get tagged quick. I say I'm old fashioned but they call it being a racist, Nazi bigot.

Point is, as long as you recruit yet keep your secrets safe and never EVER let them meet ANY of your other associates, then you should be safe from at least the accusations of owning certain weapons, ammos, etc... ANY and ALL Militia members and supporters are on the Fed shit list so no one should be trusted.

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Great thread. I have been careful with what little I do on Facebook. About 2 years ago I was thinking about how easy it would be for Facebook or a government agency to "connect the dots". They could easily put together a very accurate profile of anyone to use against them. I will also be closing my account in the next few days.

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