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What do you think woud make an excellent SHTF firearm ? WHY ?

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When the SHTF, what will your choice of lead, copper, polymer, ETC... slinger be ? Is is a tricked out 10/22 with 1,000 rounds in your bag ? Maybe A Mosin Nagant complete with yugo tins of surplus 7.62x54r at the ready? How about a bargain 308 with a scope 3 times the gun ? Maybe it's something more exotic like a lever action in 500 S&W ? AK, AR, VEPER, or Shotgun with a rifle barrel somewhere in the mix ? Do you go for keep it simple stupid, or do you fancy something more like this...

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The only need for a rifle might be getting rid of two legged critters and taking large four legged game as food. A nice quiet slingshot using steel nuts as ammo would kill small game and deter pests. Making a lot of noise in a SHTF scenario might not be desirable. Any takedown rifle that would handily fit in a backpack would be good.

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The only need for a rifle might be getting rid of two legged critters and taking large four legged game as food. A nice quiet slingshot using steel nuts as ammo would kill small game and deter pests. Making a lot of noise in a SHTF scenario might not be desirable. Any takedown rifle that would handily fit in a backpack would be good.

Do you have a good recommendation for a optimal, practical size for slingshot nuts?

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You know, I don't agree with what that Prick did in Las Vegas; I hope he has a hot hell.

When you get down to basics, he had the firearm, he had the ammo, he maximized with a bump stock.  He had not a clue how to initiate a target, that's as far as I will take that.

 

On to the best weapon,  you would not want a rifle?  I want to engage my target as far as possible.  Hell even a man with a good attitude, and training cold take a 243 out to almost 900 yds.  I wouldn't choose it, but you do with what you have.  Remember, when the ammo is gone, you fight with your club.  Let's hook this up, and talk face to face Brothers.

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I would like to put in my two cents as a 1st SGT in the Tennessee State Militia and a Retired Police Officer. Our group decided to look into the XDm 45 Tactical as a service sidearm, which we did adopt. It is a great firearm in and of itself. The M9 has been the standard sidearm of the United States Navy, United States Army and the United States Air Force since 1985, replacing the Colt M1911A1 in the Army and Navy and the Smith & Wesson .38 Special in the Air Force. The M9A1 is also seeing a limited issue to the United States Marine Corps.

 

Although the M9A1 is a nice firearm I was never a huge fan. And now that I see the contract that SIG just got with the M17, I have to favor with that choice. I would have to say, at this point and time it looks as though the 9mm round is going to be the most abundant when the SHTF. The added Benefit I see to the Sig M17, is we are going to have access to all the parts we would need to keep ours running. This is a huge factor when they try to remove our arms and we tell them to pound sand!. 

 

SIG made this sidearm for a reason. You can interpret that reason however you choose. I believe that they made a firearm that is worthy of Military and offer "We The People" this same sidearm. When the M9A1 was offered service terms, we as a people couldn't even get close to that model. The Brigadier is the closest you can get. With the M17 there isn't much other than color choices. All of the frames, slides, barrels, pins, triggers, are interchangeable with every other P320 out in the population. The Modular System is an awesome concept.

 

As for a rifle, I am more in favor of the Reach out an touch someone theory. I know guys who are "Old School", who will swear by the 30-06, and some the 308. I fell into the whole hype on the 6.5 Creedmore, but now I hear the Military is going to the 6mm. If they do go 100% with the 6mm. then we have another whole playing field.  the AR Platform is going to be as worthless as your sidearm in a firefight. We all have to remember this, "From a place you can not see, comes a sound you will never hear". That is the motto you have to pay careful attention too. 

 

to sum up, my choice for the future of my groups I am suggesting the SIG M17 9mm as a sidearm, some form of Tactical 556 cal, and a really nice 6mm setup. Then you can build up from there. But always keep your eyes open for a change in the Military styling. It makes perfect sense. We will be armed with the same weapons as the very Soldiers we may fight with or against. I can only suggest you take heed in my words and consider this sidearm for a standard service pistol for all of our brothers out there. It is worthy of consideration. God Bless, HOOAH

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I understand what your saying Rev.  I've played the SOF game a few times at Fort Poke, Air Base Ground Defence at Fort Chafee, and Camp Robinson, security forces in the desert, and attached to the 10th Mountain out of Louisiana.  Convoy Duty in Iraq. Not bragging, letting you know that a fire team should be consistant.

A great fire team should consist of, but not limited to.

Start with a big bore, Bushmaster 50 BMG,   easily covers the area of operation got my team covered.  Just like a barrel man on a light weight 60, I would send another man with the 50 BMG, armed with a 308, superb round.  Rev, you said you were a cop,  I would also go with the Remington 700 Tactical chambers in a 308.  Great reach out to a 1,000 yards, and good cover for the 50,  I have that for my team.  Then four moving on the objective.  Each would carry a side arm,  Sig, pretty tight weapon for duty conditions, but my choice also in the P220 Elite, mine being in the 10 MM, does everything.  I would suggest a Glock, you can take it out of a mud puddle, and fire it.  Three fire team members would have.       m-4 platforms, two in 223, one in 308, again my team is covered.  The other would have the mighty Mossberg with alternating rounds for breaching, and close combat devistation.  Nothing breaks a spirit like seeing  your Buddy with a big hole in his chest.  So unless anybody has Det Cord, plastic, caps, and M-60 time fuses, I guess we're done here Rev.

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First off I truly appreciate your service.

 

I agree with the whole big bore idea. We have one. That is part of "building from there". We have several in the 308 platform, both bolt, and semi-automatic. None of us are fans of the Remington firearms so we have others. each man has a 6.5 Creedmoor, these are the Savage 10 BA, and all with PST Gen II Scopes. All of our troops are well armed in both service sidearms and AR Platform. Which are all the same standard sidearm’s. My reason for this is that none of my guys will have to familiarize themselves with other weapons in a firefight. Which I am sure you know can be a stressful situation.

 

We also train in the Suppressed SBR Platform, which goes hand-in-hand with Breaching, because at some point you are going to have to acquire additional supplies. For that, we have the Mossberg 500 cruiser with the breacher break. You know for building entry. Everyone’s preferences are what they are. Ours works for us because of our terrain.

 

Most importantly every one of my guys has to understand as much as they can about pyro-techniques. Every one of my troops needs to know how to construct flashbangs. Although primitive they are still functional. The best team is a prepared team. I am not posting my thoughts to have a pissing match with anyone. My intention was to offer my take on how I strategically handle training with my guys with common sense tactics. Every leader has their own methods, which depends a lot on what you have to deal with in a SHTF Scenario.

 

With us, we are mainly a fortified mountainous region group, so we train in such. Our nearest populated area is a good 30-minute drive. There is so much more that we utilize in training and I could go on for hours, My thoughts were meant to be a generalization for the public platform.

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If I could only own one gun at the time everything goes South and I knew it was coming any moment for sure, it would be an AR15 that is built to fire both 5.56 and .223.  Ammo, magazines and parts scrounge ability and it can be used in just about any role needed.  Militia, self defense and hunting.  Unless I knew that concealability would be a necessity for awhile due to full bore tyrannical take over , then it would be a compact sized 9mm pistol. Thankfully in my planning over the years I don't have to make a one gun choice, now I just keep stockpiling ammo for what I have.  😉

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