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10 minutes ago, The Resister said:

 

You are entirely wrong.  An AR 15 and M16 BCG do the same job, but they are not the same.  That's a fact and you can't change it.  You're trying to wreck this thread when you've been told to move it to the appropriate forum.  It is impolite to change the topic from the OP.  The two BCGs are not the same in appearance OR functionality.  

You going be a cock bag and give me a point because you can literally buy a full auto bcg for a ar15 which most of you should    it's the same bcg. I'll derail your b.s. anyday.

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Well with your milita requirements you might need six figures.   To afford the guns much less the match grade bullets.

 

 

The civil war if it kicks off and I doubt it people are far to comfortable drinking resisters zima drinks and going to the football games to pay attention.  

 

The best thing for this country would be if the power grid goes down .  Might wake  people up.

 

Civil war between the extreme left.   They will be armed and trained by the Russia and all east block countries.   No matter how fancy resister dresses all it takes is some anftia kid with a rusty 400 dollar ak and a good shot.

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your pretty good at saying all that needs said I appreciate your focus...https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/usmilitias/how-do-we-effect-change-t25.html this should be published everywhere I think just about all of us exhausted all roads to find a solution theres about 1 more way to try and that means gathering by the masses in D.C and not be so peaceful...and what I just said could be considered a crime at this point I don't care...do you think there will ever be a peaceful way to restore are constitution because we can elect anyone and we both seen it don't matter "emotion"will always follow.as you no are constitution is on the verge of being erased totally its only referenced to at this point how do we protect it and restore it and remain peaceful id love a solution that only called for conversation or peaceful protest but we know in are heart of hearts we stand strong and take the hit or we go with the flow neither is a good solution or whats best for this country or my family...to make people see,to make people listen,to make people understand is impossible...but at least here on this forum we can network and I may find a solution here as well.

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4 minutes ago, Ripcannon said:

my buddy got a .375 cheytec cost him a mortgage I think he said 18,000 grand my m82 runs almost 10,000 grand I can out shoot you him and anyone else im confident in that but your totally right if it fires regularly and holds in 4-6 moa itll kill...my only point is id rather hide behind my custom dpms that ran my about 2,200 then a el cheapo arms if it was my choice I get if its a best option deal but if you can afford 400$ then 1000 aint to far away thatll get your platform then its just sights and replacing plastic.sorry I got involved now back to topic?????   

Worked for every other guerilla force .   You don't see them with fancy shit.   They can't afford it and what good does do you when have to run.  Your not going to be in long ww2 gun battles no matter what you think your skill set is.  This will be a dirty fight and quickly over.  Hit and run with ambushes as key. 

 

 

Then again our zima drinking friend might need a special soft pistol grip to massages his hands but I'll take a group of ten guys with ten mosins over a group of Mall ninjas who never ran a mile or shot under stress. 

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21 hours ago, The Resister said:

 

There is an unorganized militia, but it can be called into service.  When it is called into service, it then is answerable to the government.

 

Then comes the individual Right to keep and bear Arms.  This is separate and apart from the militia.  Yet it comprises the same people as the unorganized militia.  In the view of the founders, you have unalienable Rights as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Bill of Rights.  By unalienable, I mean that the Right is presumed to have existed before the ratification of the Constitution.  The earliest Court decisions bear this out.  The famous Cruikshank decision was as follows:

 

"The Government of the United States, although it is, within the scope of its powers, supreme and beyond the States, can neither grant nor secure to its citizens rights or privileges which are not expressly or by implication placed under its jurisdiction. All that cannot be so granted or secured are left to the exclusive protection of the States.

 

...The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."  United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank

 

Neither the federal government NOR the state grants Rights.  States are empowered to protect some Rights.  And the Right to keep and bear Arms predates the Constitution; the Right is not dependent upon the Constitution for its existence.  Under our Constitution you have the Right to keep and bear Arms with our without the Constitution.

 

Herein lies the dilemma:

 

If we, the people, cannot induce the government to abide by the Constitution, there would be a need for a revolution after all our non-violent political and legal remedies were exhausted.  We would presume we could use the militia since the enemy would be a domestic enemy.  However, the government would not call the citizenry into action to fight tyranny when the government IS the greatest purveyor of said tyranny.  It's as if we expect the fox to guard the henhouse.  Yet, even under conservative (sic) administrations and Justices, you can see tyranny coming in the back-door like a tidal wave.  Now, you just read what the EARLIEST Courts said relative to the Second Amendment.  So, let us see what a "conservative" says as they legislate from the bench and screw you out of your Rights:

 

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

 

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

 

Whoa, wait a minute.  The Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government.  Here the Supreme Court is beginning to imply that they, NOT our Creator, are the originator of our Rights.  The screws begin to tighten and the issue never gets the discussion it has here.

 

 

Great response, Resister. I will point out that the "unorganized militia" is a product of the "living" Constitution (a product of the Militia Act of 1903) and not a component of the founders' Constitution. The human factors that led to the failures of the citizen militias in the early and mid 1800s are still the same factors leading to the failures of the current day citizen groups. 

 

The dilemma you point out will continue to get worse as the courts and Congress implement "living" Constitution interpretations into new precedents and laws.

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6 minutes ago, The Resister said:

 

I've always associated the term "living Constitution" more to the Courts than to legislative acts. 

 

 

Thanks for the clarification on your view. I speak from an observation that all three branches of the government are colluding together to corrupt the Constitution and steal power from The People. I guess I really wasn't associating the Courts as the main instigator of the "living Constitution." I blame the legislative branch that socialism gets added into the Constitution by Congress with the excuse that "The People" want these socialist ideas in the culture.

 

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So, you live in times where the government no longer acknowledges the Constitution envisioned by our forefathers.  A wise man once observed:   "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."  The reality is, we have reached that point.

 

I haven't heard that saying before. That one will be filed away in my mental storage locker for future use.

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8 minutes ago, The Resister said:

 

I had never thought of the various branches deliberately colluding, but there are a lot of things that go on with a wink and a nod... especially when legislators, judges, and those from the executive branches of government all enjoy the same extracurricular activities with respect to their political beliefs.  I certainly cannot discount your view.  It is a genuine possibility.

 

When the courts reverse their own precedents and protect legislators from having to pass legislation that will inevitably whizz someone off, you would think ONE legislator would make a stink about the United States Supreme Court legislating from the bench on at least any one given issue.  

 

Unfortunately, many people in America DO want socialist solutions for some problems.  You can be on the right of an issue and see the problem; however, if the powers that be are offering you a socialist solution and you don't like it, you become a permanent target, worse than the left they pretend to despise.  Why do you think there were a lot of initial posts here, but when it got down to answering specific questions, the interest level of this thread dropped like a rock?

 

I guess I feel that regaining control of Congress with using the original First Amendment (that wasn't fully ratified) would be the start to steer the wagon train back on its path again. Restoring the founders Constitution suddenly would be like pulling off the tablecloth off of a fully set thirty foot long dining table... all hell is going to break loose. I feel it will end up that way anyway once the socialist powers and political crime lords see the writing on the wall. If we use principles in the founders Constitution as a path to follow, then we will feel justified in our actions, and have a foundation to stand on, regardless of what is said by others about the process. Most people would rather find some entity or group to fight (regardless of reasons) versus a tedious path of righteous action.

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On 7/16/2018 at 10:28 AM, The Resister said:

Strategically speaking, Trump made a long term blunder when he separated the families of undocumented foreigners

   That was the work of the left. The Obama administration is the perpetrator of that act of madness. (https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/barack-obama-separated-kids-from-parents-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/)

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