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Most of you are only focusing on the 2nd Amendment, and if they violate that, then we'll revolt.  Our governments, both state and federal, have been violating the Constitution LONG before any of us were born.  The time to revolt passed decades ago.  Yes, I view cops as a "standing army", absolutely.  Our entire military is 1.2 million strong.  There are 1.1 million law enforcement officers in the US.  That's a standing Army.  Most of those cops you claim are "constitutionalists", I guarantee you aren't at all.  I'm betting every one of them enforces drug laws.  All of which are unconstitutional.  I'm betting every one of them enforces all kinds of victimless crimes, which are repugnant to our constitution.  The reason this is, is most of them, and probably many of you hear, don't understand that our constitution, as with the constitutions of every state, were founded on the principles of NATURAL LAW, and NATURAL RIGHTS.  Any and all laws repugnant to natural law and natural rights are repugnant to the constitution.  There can be no victim without a crime.  And tyranny is IMPOSSIBLE without law enforcers...

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52 minutes ago, FTP said:

There can be no victim without a crime.

To not put it delicately I agree prostitution and gambling should be legal and if druggys wanna kill themselves then we'll more room for me...I understand your position I agree freedom doesn't mean security that's been my speel for ever...but understand policing is a job and they "have to enforce the law" that is the job they signed up for...and the laws there enforcing were there before them in all cases of victimless crime...that's why we have are day in court im a constitutionalist and I support my local leos they support the constitution and here in my county they don't lockup most drug offenses they get help and thats leading to a rise in violent crime....so did I guess your name right.FTP stands for f$ck the police...

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Lol...yes, that's what FTP in my name stands for.  And I say that as a former law enforcement officer myself.  But no...they don't "have to enforce the law", they're supposed to recognize what's constitutional and what's not, and ignore what's not.  That's the entire point of them swearing a constitutional oath.  Otherwise, there'd be no point to take that oath.  The problem is we've been generationally dumbed down on what freedom actually is, and the original meaning of the constitution and "liberty", and no one, especially cops, understands what their oath means anymore.  It doesn't mean do whatever they're told, or even whatever a court or a legislature tells them to do.  Objective morality as our founders saw it is simple.  If there's no victim, then no crime has occurred, and law enforcement has no place to do a thing until there is one.

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6 minutes ago, Ripcannon said:

To not put it delicately I agree prostitution and gambling should be legal and if druggys wanna kill themselves then we'll more room for me...I understand your position I agree freedom doesn't mean security that's been my speel for ever...but understand policing is a job and they "have to enforce the law" that is the job they signed up for...and the laws there enforcing were there before them in all cases of victimless crime...that's why we have are day in court im a constitutionalist and I support my local leos they support the constitution and here in my county they don't lockup most drug offenses they get help and thats leading to a rise in violent crime....so did I guess your name right.FTP stands for f$ck the police...

Thanks for keeping it delicate for my sensibilities.  😎

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I cant argue with that so i'll agree...I totally understand were still sacrificing freedom for security were now authoritarian...I've seen this for along time and honestly I have no clue how to change it...but to be fair nobodys protesting free speech...we keep hearing outrageous stuff from the left about how guns are bad so now-a-days 2a stuff seems to take most the cake.but you no that...you maybe right we should be concentrated on everything not the attack of the day. ..anything for you LFR...hahaha

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16 minutes ago, FTP said:

Lol...yes, that's what FTP in my name stands for.  And I say that as a former law enforcement officer myself.  But no...they don't "have to enforce the law", they're supposed to recognize what's constitutional and what's not, and ignore what's not.  That's the entire point of them swearing a constitutional oath.  Otherwise, there'd be no point to take that oath.  The problem is we've been generationally dumbed down on what freedom actually is, and the original meaning of the constitution and "liberty", and no one, especially cops, understands what their oath means anymore.  It doesn't mean do whatever they're told, or even whatever a court or a legislature tells them to do.  Objective morality as our founders saw it is simple.  If there's no victim, then no crime has occurred, and law enforcement has no place to do a thing until there is one.

I don't disagree with 99.9 percent, I'm a true Libertarian type, the type before the party was infiltrated and co-opted by the socialist and communists taking over it now.  What I am saying is if it comes down to another civil war, or blue helmets coming in to help the leftist take over completely, there will be a split of those in the police forces as well as the military forces and some will be on either side.  Just have to make sure they are the type that will be on our side if it goes down.  

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I'm a hardcore Libertarian...in the most original sense, the founding father sense...and this right here is EVERYONE'S freaking problem...The damn FRENCH have more balls than we do....

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I back good people...not jobs...I understand your frustration understand the crimes we talked about above ,,who will fight for them kinda people...now im not talking my own beliefs but most folks don't give a G.D ...freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint... a lot of people don't understand that that is one of the definitions of liberty...in my eyes if your a danger to the public die or be thrown to a desert island but freedom isn't security by no means.

                                 freedom ( I think from wiki)

1.the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.

2.exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

3.the power to determine action without restraint.

4.political or national independence.

5.personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom.

6.exemption from the presence of anything specified (usually followed by from): freedom from fear.

7.the absence of or release from ties, obligations, etc.

8.ease or facility of movement or action: to enjoy the freedom of living in the country.

9.frankness of manner or speech.

10.general exemption or immunity: freedom from taxation.

11.the absence of ceremony or reserve.

12.a liberty taken.

13.a particular immunity or privilege enjoyed, as by a city or corporation: freedom to levy taxes.

14.civil liberty, as opposed to subjection to an arbitrary or despotic government.

15.the right to enjoy all the privileges or special rights of citizenship, membership, etc., in a community or the like.

16.the right to frequent, enjoy, or use at will: to have the freedom of a friend's library.

17.Philosophy. the power to exercise choice and make decisions without constraint from within or without; autonomy; self-determination.

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I'm down with pretty much everything that's been said.  Now, with the situation being what it is... where is the line that we will not tolerate being crossed?  A guy in Indiana might not be inclined to take action over a concealed carry restriction in Oregon, for example.  Who will make the call on when the balloon goes up (will it be nation wide)?

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It's going to involve states or portions of states seceding, or different aspects of armed forces breaking off to start a civil war or an invasion from outside forces such as UN that causes most people to rise up across the nation.  National and Air Guard units are ultimately controlled by their state and the majority of them will go to the side the state ends up taking.  Even though Reserve forces are directly federally controlled, they are manned by people living in the states where they are located.  I see most of the Reserve forces going whatever way the states go also.  The majority, more than 50 percent of our armed forces is made up of Guard and Reserve units so both sides involved will have a decent land and air force power.  

 

If it happens it's probably going to be close to looking like this in the beginning:

 

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