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That guy did a nice job on that video and for me it was thought provoking  it makes me want to make a few comments.  First, New Zealand  did in fact pass a gun bill but to my knowledge know one has surrendered their guns or had them confiscated so lets wait and see.   I think  Gun confiscation in the US is a bit of a stretch.    First, who would want the job because I think people are going to get hurt.    A few weeks ago an Illinois police officers was killed serving an arrest warrant to a guy that wasn't supposed to have a gun but had one anyway.    Ask yourself how many officers  will it take to collect all the once legally owned firearms from honest citizens.    I think it will be a blood bath on both sides and what will the gain be.   Personally I plan to be arrested so I can take up space in the already overcrowded jails.   How will they lock up all the honest gun owning citizens that would rather go to jail than surrender their firearms.   Who knows, maybe they will have room for all of us.   It would be just like Bernie Sanders to release the criminals to make room for the gun owner under arrest.   I could be all wrong to.

 

In addition, I think the politicians that vote for gun control will find themselves out of office after the next election.   Even the anti-gunners will see their own constitution under attack and object at the ballot box.   Far as I know the majority rules in the US and I don't think the anti-gunners have a majority.

 

Well folks, I launched 2 letters today to my representatives, when did you contact them last, if ever?   Better get busy.   As I said before, I participated in the gun owners of Illinois march to the Illinois state capitol,  I write my representative almost weekly.   If the gun bills become law I'll be able to through up my hands and say, "I did everything I could to stop the gun bills".

Bed time.

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That guy did a nice job on that video and for me it was thought provoking  it makes me want to make a few comments.  First, New Zealand  did in fact pass a gun bill but to my knowledge know one has surrendered their guns or had them confiscated so lets wait and see.   I think  Gun confiscation in the US is a bit of a stretch.    First, who would want the job because I think people are going to get hurt.    A few weeks ago an Illinois police officers was killed serving an arrest warrant to a guy that wasn't supposed to have a gun but had one anyway.    Ask yourself how many officers  will it take to collect all the once legally owned firearms from honest citizens.    I think it will be a blood bath on both sides and what will the gain be.   Personally I plan to be arrested so I can take up space in the already overcrowded jails.   How will they lock up all the honest gun owning citizens that would rather go to jail than surrender their firearms.   Who knows, maybe they will have room for all of us.   It would be just like Bernie Sanders to release the criminals to make room for the gun owner under arrest.   I could be all wrong to.

 

In addition, I think the politicians that vote for gun control will find themselves out of office after the next election.   Even the anti-gunners will see their own constitution under attack and object at the ballot box.   Far as I know the majority rules in the US and I don't think the anti-gunners have a majority.

 

Well folks, I launched 2 letters today to my representatives, when did you contact them last, if ever?   Better get busy.   As I said before, I participated in the gun owners of Illinois march to the Illinois state capitol,  I write my representative almost weekly.   If the gun bills become law I'll be able to through up my hands and say, "I did everything I could to stop the gun bills".

Bed time.

Contacted my senators 2 days ago, and contacted my congressmen the week before that.  HooAh!  👍

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Glad to hear it, give yourself a pat on the back because communicating with your government is a better use of your time than stockpiling ammunition.    I always invite my representatives to visit the gun range so they  can see us shoot, talk to people, see the guns so they can legislate on something they know a little about.   The anti-gunners I know don't understand guns.    They actually think AR-15s and AK-47s are machine guns not understanding what semi-automatic is.   I always love the topic of "high capacity Magazines".    The anti-gunners think we deer hunt and ducks hunt with these magazines not realizing in most cases while hunting there are magazine limits already in place.    I can hunt wild hogs on private property with no magazine limits but still only use 20 round magazines.    Why lug around the extra weight.

 

One problem in the USA is people can't carry on a calm conversation.   People can't put themselves in the other person place for just a moment to understand their view points.   My wife is a Democrat and I'm Republican and we love opposite view conversations .    I learn from her and she learns from me.    Ground rules are " no hitting below the belt".     She is actually   pro-gun these days because I have explained the pit falls of

anti-gun.    It is ok to be anti-gun as long as your views are fact based and accurate.

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I totally agree that debate in a logical reason manner is good and healthy.

Here’s my morning don’t draft

Less emotion more logic.  Reason is logic without emotion
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“One problem in the USA is people can't carry on a calm conversation.”  As someone who is actually been to multiple other countries totally disagree with that statement, some get downright violent if you oppose even the idea of going against their standards of reason and logic.
 

That wasn’t always the case the left to seek to shut down debate so many different areas over a period of time that most don’t engage in that because of that very reason. They use public shaming and are good-natured values against us for so long. So, therefore, they changed the parameters of the debate all they know how to do was call names, again using our values against us in our inherent good nature, using names they don’t even understand the history behind, races was a term used by early communist in Russia to browbeat  the dissenters of communism, that worked out well didn’t it.  they don’t use reason and facts. And they don’t stay within the frameworks of our constitutional republic if you look at the case for the 2020 socialist communist party and yes those words are interchangeable if you understand the context of what’s really going on. The things that they are suggesting a talk about are so far outside of the constitutional republic in the framework they agreed to it’s like the twilight zone or a bad episode of outer limits.
 

Please read on
 

Values:

Whether you’re a Democrat independent Republican or illegal socialist, or a communist, etc. etc.. It’s all about values not be a political party you supposedly are part of. If you don’t have the same value structure, common interest commie goals and how can you nurture a relationship around something that is so outside of what you believe. Men have been using political party in this country for 200 years to divide and conquer. George Washington said the parties will be the death of the nation, of course, I'm paraphrasing a bit. So again, it doesn’t matter if person X is a Democrat in person Y is a Republican, they both had to stay within the confines of his constitutional republic. Furthermore, it is quite obvious over the years that many run under whatever will get them elected. And they clearly Don’t really believe in the values they say; deceit is the name of the game during a campaign cycle. We’re smarter than this time to see through this. Actions matter more than words.

If they go outside of that they are violating the not only their oath but the compact with the people. The social contract, however, the Constitution is more than just a basic social contract with the people. It is a written framework of who we are what we’re going to do and how we're going to be governed.
 

Thomas Jefferson rightful liberty quote sums it all up one simple neat little package for everybody to understand as long as you can read playing in simple English.

Thomas Jefferson Quotes. Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.  “So, we simply established or line and our boundaries” -the now seem to be violated on an hourly basis.
 

So, to simplify this already simple quote we drew lines around ourselves and our republic using the Constitution to stay within those lines and we agree to it as a people, if you don’t agree to it nobody’s forcing you to stay here and to live under such freedom that we once had, before we allowed people to change the lines for us while we were distracted by Dancing with the Stars. 

Also, understand this:
 

A classic shell game that has been going on for far too long!
 

Re-branded communism, Liberals and Progressives are the communist of today, the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people to believe the communism was dead when in reality it is alive and well in the modern-day Liberals and Progressives. Just under a new name or a smokescreen of deceit.

People that don’t want to admit that liberals/Progressives are the new communists, and are currently just in a sense of denial to the fact that communist have invaded America under a cloak of the re-branding via the liberals / Progressive’s kinder gentler labels since it just sounds better.
 

It is an easier thing to swallow for most, to just say they have different views than most Americans.

“They are just liberals”, however then people would have to realize that this happened under their watch and would have to admit a major mistake was made, and that they were deceived, and that’s just too uncomfortable for most to swallow.

But we can’t afford this luxury any longer.
 

Understand this, these are not just two different political views at work, these views are polar opposites and are outside of the spectrum and framework of our long-established values and principles.
 

There is too much unneeded and preventable suffering caused by those who claim to love America while changing it into a socialist state, and that must come to an end.

Socialism, communism, liberalism, Marxism and Muslim policies are charters of negative liberty we do not support or embrace any gray area on this subject.

The “Gray Areas” lead to negative liberty.

 

Logical and reasonable debate:

The ground rules for me have always been simple, stay within the confines of our constitutional republic. Ideas outside of that are not debatable because of her outside of our framework. There are two types of people those who interpret the Constitution and those who read it and understand the context will concepts in plain English.
 

When I’m debating somebody, they have to stay within the confines of our Constitution I don’t engage in theoretical nonsense is a waste of such time. Like debating the concept of socialism actually is illegal under the Constitution under article 4 section 4. Simply because we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, therefore we are a constitutional republic. So, I tell them if you want socialism moved to a socialist country, you’re not getting it here.

 

“Guns so they can legislate on?”  Not sure what you mean by that because the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. does have any clause in there says this gun is okay to legislate on this model of gun, so, don’t give me that nonsense if you can’t have a machine gun, blah blah. Oh, the founder didn’t anticipate, actually they did because the earliest rapid-fire gun, predates the founders. They did anticipate that governments will do evil and the people should be able to protect themselves from such tyranny. This concept predates the founders. We’ve allowed them to get away with too much in this area we don’t promote the value of life and we don’t promote the same values of gun ownership we once did, that is a direct result of the left controlling the narrative in this Republic for far too long. Again the term the left as we so call them is just a smokescreen of deceit, to begin with. This country was founded on a center-right values period.
 

I don’t believe it’s okay to be anti-gun unless the context is you just don’t like guns i.e. you don't want to own a gun you should not be forced to be own a gun, Oh wait you can only be forced to by healthcare by the government by the force of a gun!! Yeah, any clear logical person sees the ridiculous nature of that statement.

 

That’s ridiculous. However, if you’re following the true intention of the Constitution and the founders who wrote the Second Amendment with great genius you understand. You are meant to own a gun if not the sole purpose of protecting your freedom. The government came along and said hey you have to own a gun. That would be constitutional because it’s actually part of the agreement pack you agree to when you said hey I want to live under the constitutional republic. Healthcare is not the Constitution and is not a right, it’s a privilege and anybody saying just the opposite this goes to prove my point that they’re not within the boundaries of our constitutional.

 

I do believe in the Constitution all of it or you don’t can’t selectively take pieces of the Constitution like the Communists do and decide which parts work for you the best today! Gun free zones i.e. kill zones or kill boxes make no sense whatsoever this assumes that the Constitution stops at the doorstep of any business or any corporation on American soil again.
 

That’s absurd why did we write the Constitution and “Bill of Rights” in the first place. If you want to follow. Obviously, this goes way back and everything is under the guise of we must protect you via the force of government. Again, most people see the obvious ridiculousness of the statement.  And when it comes to the other rights we don’t have our freedom of speech on Facebook or Google which is a total violation of the First Amendment because it’s a private business. It is not a private business is the public business, that engages the public. And it’s on American soil ran by an American company ran by Americans who have to abide by the Constitution no matter where they are, that was the agreement. This is how they do it all the little pieces and parts have been disassembled over a period of time.  

If your anti-gun your anti-Second Amendment your anti-Second Amendment Your Anti Constitution and therefore your anti-Constitution, furthermore that makes you anti-American because every citizen whether they’re naturalized or not or any member of the service takes an oath, however, the oath is inherent to every citizen that will support and defend the Constitution, Or your word you just gave, If you don’t do that and you just agreed to and only selectively pick one or two parts of the Constitution and call yourself an American are you considering you just broke your word and your oath that you actually said you would abide by, how can he be trusted and believed with anything else if you can’t keep a simple agreement and abide by your word. That’s logic 101. That is mystical I get it most people don’t have common sense or logic 101 skills.
 

Another example is illegal immigration it’s “illegal” I’m not going to debate the concept of lawlessness it’s a criminal act.   with an individual. Why should I waste my time trying to convince you that what you’re doing is illegal! When is already clearly spelled out in plain English that the act of coming here without prior authorization is illegal, and then all the other crimes associated with that!
 

We might as well debate robbing a bank that’s illegal right why not debate that. Again ridiculous. Open borders of the agenda of destruction. Either we have a border or we don’t have a country, we can keep our family safe is a take away our guns and open the border we might as well just submit to the master planning of our life they seek to impose upon us. Tuesday you wear blue shirts with purple socks and blue pants: after all, it’s a government mandate at the end of a barrel of a Gun Almighty had a machine gun were not allowed to own. Because the government must have overwhelming force to beat us into submission if we ever stop bottom line. Noncompliance means death yeah it’s that ridiculous.

And then referring back to another section of article more section for U.S. Constitution. Each state will be protected from invasion and I think people like to use the semantics of what invasion means when more than I’m mean people rush front door of your house and force their way yet is that not an invasion. Amplify that via border were 10,000 people care of their not armed all Trojan horse.

 

Life:

And on the issue of life. is illegal to kill people we know, it’s illegal to kill people, however, they apply nicer kinder gentler terms to the use of murder. Like the word abortion equals murder. Pro-choice is not pro-choice and is pro-death. What choice are you giving the human baby other than death? But how can it be a choice at all it should be called pro-death. That would be more logical and based in common sense. However, it sounds to an ugly for a person to go around saying hey let’s kill human babies call it a choice.  That’s outside the bounds of simple human decency, to push such an agenda is outside of our framework, and is pure evil. And of course, so-called murder or the act of not committing murder is not in the constitution. some things don’t have to be written in text for them to be obvious. Thou shalt not kill. Now killing communist who was trying to kill us would be self-defense. Another logic bomb!!!!
 

Also, they claimed that it is the reproductive rights of women to control their own bodies, that’s an oxymoron because they want to kill the very first thing that they are trying to reproduce. Their logic skills just blow my mind it’s amazing that they could even function in the morning, how do they even tie their shoes, just saying. So, the act of making a baby and putting the baby inside of another human body to grow, the process of creating life does not now give you the right to destroy that life, if you deem it’s not necessary, that’s ridiculous. Belong
 

If we want to use that logic I deem that socialist and communist liberals and Islam don’t and are Republic so do I have the right to go kill them, using that logic it seems pretty clear I would be a yes.
 

Those that would use the Constitution against us by saying something like what abortion i.e. murder, is not in the Constitution is not one of the enumerated powers that protected, to that I say really are you that stupid some things don’t need to be written in text. Or do they. Don’t put the cat in the microwave. Be careful with the coffee it may be hot, don’t spill it in your lap. If you and I mean hello.
 

Then there’s the First Amendment all my God that’s a big one. Freedom of the press. Where does it say that you can weaponize the press for an agenda based on another political party? Weaponized news has become a tool of the far-left socialist nonsense commie rats. But yet if you attack the press “we have freedom of the press” - we don’t have freedom three obvious and abound propaganda for the use of one political agenda. See how that selective use of the Constitution, just parts of it that serve their need for today. to favor whoever wants to invoke it. Either you believe in it all or you don’t this is not a cell phone plan people or piecemeal infrastructure plan. It’s not a buffet plan, we your pick out the pieces and parts you like and leave the stuff you don’t like on the table Logic 101 common sense 101.
 

Then you have Islam the tenants of Islam are tyrannical and anti-Constitutional especially if you’re going to invoke sharia law. So again, using the First Amendment again. This is how they do it, selective use of a certain part of the Constitution and then they use propaganda to amplify it totally absurd. People buy it oh yeah like it’s an awesome bag of chips. However, is a really bad bag gives you a horrible stomachache 30 minutes after eating it.
 

So if you know your history you understand why the Marines were created in the first place you understand that we were fighting Islam since our inception, why should we allow them to be part of our government. Also, a 1954 1956 law that prohibits any ideology or religion that seeks to overthrow the US government with my system of a government, not based in our constitutional republic. That can be applied to socialism and communism, they like to say that socialism is a means of controlling the production of something, that’s the propaganda it’s a tyrannical system is imposed by government at the end of the barrel, that’s why they don’t want you to have a gun.  
 

that’s exactly why the founders put in the Second Amendment in place, maintain the security of a free state. So they can’t lord over you by those seeking to manage every aspect of your life that’s what they tell you. Islam has an allegiance only to Islam so someone who practices a true tenant of Islam cannot be an American citizen and give their allegiance in their two the Constitution. I hate to be the bearer of acts in logic so early in the morning but hey.

 

 

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