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Along those same lines...  Everybody always says: "when the time comes" or "if the balloon goes up"... So when is that exactly???  I believe it's time that we, as a body (not individual opinions) establish the "line that shall not be crossed" regarding exactly when to mobilize.  Perhaps a policy should have "increments" or increasing steps of response.  It's evident that the leftists, communists, one-worlders, and New World Order types will not stop their attacks upon our duly elected President, the laws that govern us or even our right to express our own views through freedom of expression/free speech (MAGA hats for example).

 

I've seen several comments on this board that suggest some are ready to go into action TODAY.  Personally, I think we should exhaust our political alternatives first; work within the system to influence government's conduct.  After all, that's why our Constitution was created; that we might have a voice.  I'll be the first to concede that our rights are being whittled away, bit by bit, but unless we do all we can within the system, there will always be people who say "I'm not going along with this because you could have done more." 

 

So, who is willing to participate on a panel/committee/task force to establish some POLICY guidelines for the Militia?  I envision this to be a fairly long, involved process; and when complete, our findings probably will need to be distributed to all the various Militia venues: that it become sort of a "universal Militia doctrine" if you will.  Maybe the board owners can establish the ground rules etc.

 

Then again, maybe I'm way off base here but I do think the subject needs to be addressed, especially as the situation seems (to me at least) to be deteriorating at an ever-increasing pace.

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I agree that all political avenues should be exhausted first, but I also believe that it is highly likely that eventually they all will be exhausted.

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Thanks, I do too.  The point of the post was to try to establlish some "set guidelines" as to when it becomes our civic responsibility to pick up arms in defense of our Constitutional rights.  If anybody waits until they're coming door-to-door, it's too late.  As Chiang Kai Shek said to the Chinese people about the Japanese invasion: "we shall all rise up as one man..."  One by one, or unit by unit won't do it.  There should be a well recognized point for all to see.

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The Line has been crossed several years ago. Polticly we have a HUGE disadvantage.

I had more to say on this, but interuptions happen ..lost train of thought.

Basicly, we need to go NOW.

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29 minutes ago, SpartanOps said:

The time to fight back, is not when they are loading you into the boxcars, or knocking on your doors

Precisely why we need to establish guidelines now, before more time is lost.

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2 hours ago, John Last said:

Precisely why we need to establish guidelines now, before more time is lost.

What do have in mind? for me it simple rule, they try to take guns, we stop them period. it takes courage to stand behind that and there is plenty of that out there. unified front must be realized. I have preached any. no infringement period.  no compromise zero nada nil  

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Governments are not magical entities they are made up of people just like you and me or maybe not like you and me, more of a corrupt power-hungry type but I digress to get my point. 

They use the threat of force at the end of a barrel of a gun to enforce their policies. 

This is exactly why we have the second amendment to meet that force head on and explain to them with our own level of force, why they cannot impose their will upon us if we do not agree. And this is exactly why they want to remove our ability to defend ourselves against them. and the forces that compel them.
 
Force = more force we are on the right of history and the rule of law/constitution  
 
That the only thing evil understands is force

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Words not backed up via the use ie more force are just cold air exciting weakness. 

 

Anyone who violates their oath and attempts to remove not only the God-given and in constitutionally mandated rights. Becomes the enemy regardless of what they say they empty words. Action is the only thing that created a Republic is the only thing that keeps it free.

The pen may be mightier than the sword however the sword is what wins the day.

 

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I________________ do swear ( or affirm ) that I am a citizen of the United States and the State of______________ I’m not affiliated directly or indirectly with any terrorist or communist/socialist/progressive/Marxist/Muslim/sharia-related organizations, or any foreign, political agency, party organization or government which they advocates charters of negative liberty. I understand article 4 section 4 deems all of those as illegal forms of governance and their mere actions as unconstitutional as they seek to overthrow the US Constitution as our form of governance, whether by force or policy. My allegiances are to the United States Constitution written text and I will defend with any level off of force necessary to secure the blessings of liberty so help me God.
 
I also do not directly or indirectly teach or advocate the overthrow of the Government of the United States or any State that has constitutional government. Any unlawful change in the form of the Government thereof by force, policy or any unlawful means. In the event that constitutional balance is lost, it will be restored, by the removal of those seeking to undermine and overthrow constitutional order the use of force is authorized.
 
I do recognize that the written text of the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land, regardless of what unelected black robes or illegal courts or unconstitutional laws that are passed or attempt to enforce. The Right to bear arms shall not be infringed in any way method or form. I will uphold the right to bear arms by any level of force required. That any entity who seeks to disarm American citizens are considered the enemy of America. There can be no gray area. Infringement is infringement.

This our policy 

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Oaths are fine, but don't address the crux of the issue: WHEN to take action.  For example in 1921 IIRC, women were extended the right to vote: a very "progressive" maybe even socialist act by the government...which some would have said back then, violated the Constitution... white, land owner, male etc. was the traditional voting base  So, some of the terms in your oath above might cloud the argument.  I'm talking today about things like abortion, bump stocks, voter ID, magazine capacity, universal health care, border wall, UN small arms treaty etc.

 

So, on bump stocks and mag. capacity...are those violations of the 2A or have they been legally/constitutionally defined (restricted as in heroin or fentanyl)?  Should we go to war over it?  That's one of the issues I'm talking about.  Additionally, I don't think any individual has the answers.  What is blatant tyranny to one person, is correct, responsible Congressional/SCOTUS action to another.  Remember, the left leaners have the same right to voice their opinion, lobby for action that we have.  Some of us would rather start shooting than raise our voices in protest.

 

Then, as the years pass, and more and more students are dumbed down (so they're not able to think critically) and fed socialist ideology... the line shifts and shifts ever so slightly away from where it was originally drawn.  Some today say it's government's responsibility to "take care of the people" and ensure health care for everyone.  When I was educated, the "guarantee" was that everybody was entitled to the OPPORTUNITY to provide healthcare for themselves.  So, which is it???  Don't get me wrong.  I think our rights are being trampled on unmercifully in order to accommodate the UN and one world government who only recognize the FOUR FREEDOMS: democracy and not a Representative form of government (with individual liberty and protections from the majority).

 

I could go on, but let's get back to the point, which is: WE NEED A PANEL to look at ALL aspects of our duty to bear arms in defense of the country.  They need to establish the WHEN (under which circumstances) resistance is warranted.  I believe that panel should include lawyers and thinkers, not just III% patriots.  When their work is concluded, that finding should be disseminated far and wide, so freedom loving Americans everywhere will know what time it is.  So, that's my two cents on the subject and now I'll shut up.

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12 minutes ago, Let_Freedom_Ring said:

That is their plan, to conquer us with only a whimper.

Right... so what's OUR plan???

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13 minutes ago, Tyler MacCanna said:

I'd like an estimate of what year this stuff is going down

I think we all would!  More to the point I think, is what "milestones" or warning moves should we be looking for; that will be the real signal of what is going down.

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16 minutes ago, Tyler MacCanna said:

I'd say the time is very soon though

I've been saying that since 1970... but I'll certainly agree things have never looked more dire.  I know you didn't ask for it, but my advice, for what it's worth, would be to set a course for preparedness.  Nobody can see the future, but we can agree that things are changing for the worse (conservatively speaking).  If you start now to prepare for a "general" emergency, and don't stop; you'll be in a good position no matter what happens in the future.

 

Network with like-minded folks, but don't give away all your secrets/details.  Nobody will be able to do this all by themselves.

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-The stock market crash later this year or next is going to require more of a SHTF type preparedness. Mayhem over food shortage fears, and basic fear mongering intentionally caused by others, is going to be a real issue. The president knows this, and he is doing all he can to avoid mass riots by cushioning the shock to the general public.

-If the deep state is dealt with, the attacks upon the Constitution will ease up. As far as the trigger for widespread citizen action, if the Constitution is openly usurped by Sharia or communism, then the members of those states where it happens had better have a plan to deal with it. This usurping will start small, creep in, and work first at the state level before attempts are made at the federal level. Kind of like cracking a dam first versus trying to destroy it all at once.

-Getting to know your local police and sheriffs department personally goes a long way to avoiding confiscations of your weapons. These folks are your first line defense in these red flag states where some family member can say you are loony, or are a threat to yourself, and then the local law enforcement has to show up to investigate. Friends on the inside are needed here. You are most certainly free to exercise whatever rights you feel you need to at that time, but shooting your way out of it has not worked for the last two citizen victims. If you cannot make friends with local law enforcement, you better have a plan in mind for avoiding that kind of confrontation.

 

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This is my take on the whole enchilada which I actually posted to a similar question on a new member's feed.  If it happens, it will involve the government splitting into two opposing factions going to war against each other.  It will be another civil war.  Once that happens everyone who is a patriot will know when they need to grab their kit and where they will need to go with it.  What everyone needs to do is just keep doing their best to prepare and find other like minded people in their areas to support each other as well as voting and being outspoken for your beliefs and rights.

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