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Where is the line in the sand ?

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I haven't been on the forum in a while.  But decided to pop back in to pose a question that has been on my mind and has probably been asked on the forum to some degree or another.

 

An it is in regards to that line n the sand in regards to when as citizens do we no longer vote to fix problems with in the government and feel a need as the founding fathers did with the crown to make changes by force.  An for me this came about recently listening to Rush, where he had mentioned that he was having a caller waiting on the line to talk about how the Democrat party is never put behind bars, for any real crime, yet republicans at any level are always a target.  An for me the call was boiling down to two things, double standards and accountability .  Once one reaches to an elected level in our three branches of government, it is basically a free for all in that you are not going to jail or prison, unless 1 you are a Republican, or 2 there just is no choice but to put one in jail or prison because the evidence is beyond overwhelming and there isn't a lie big enough to set one free.  In the end though the double standard is the rule of law just does not apply to our government any more. Republican or Democrat. Especially when it comes to the Presidency.  For either party, and I do not think it necessary to give examples.   An as for accountability , why bother going into that ..  The only real accountability is when it is election time, and the country seems to fall into a pattern of sharing power between parties every 8 years, 8 for one party then 8 for the next. Like how the moon pulls on the Earth an we go through tidal changes. 

 

But what I wanted to ask to Rush, is exactly when is it time to force elected officials out of power, not by voting them out but by force. Due to utter their utter corrupt leadership and now a blatantly leftist media machine. I doubt Rush would be willing to honestly answer that.  The thing is peace at all cost, comes at a price, to take up a totally pacifist way of making change with in our own country, but willing to shed the lives of our military on foreign land seems odd.   An with one party turning as left as it can get on a daily basis, with no signs of people in their own party trying to fix things to a more middle ground, an the other party too cowardly to stand up to the other... but willing to screw over a president in their own party...It seems a waste of time to think that the rule of law will ever apply to our own government ever again. If the rule of law ever did apply to our own government.    

 

Now I am not talking about the likely hood of any kind of success at forcibly removing corrupt politicians from power. I am more curious if our nation as a whole, even cares any more about the double standards our government has come to abiding by the law, and being held accountable.  

 

I honestly do not think there is a line in the sand any more, I do not think there is a straw that can break the camels back any more either in regards to our government being held accountable ever again or needing to abide by the law in any sense of the word.   We see push back now and then in the form of protests real protests not rioting. Like when Obama started nudging towards playing with the second amendment , but for some reason got away scott free with the ACA / " obama care ".    

 

 

Side note

 

Obama got two full terms,  He shouldn't of been elected at all. For plenty of good solid reasons, but to see him get re elected was the real mind baffling weirdness. Even with a poor competitor running against him back n the day, he should of lost his re election. But didn't. An then following this flow of a new age socialism Hillary by the way things were going should of won. Seeing a country vote for hope an change it should of been a slam dunk for Hillary, but to see Trump get elected and shock the socialists  was indeed puzzling, after all, everyone was just punch happy with obama... so what happened ? was voting for obama just a joke to the democrat party ? All a front or a game ?  An to see trump get elected an see this giant good shift take place but to then lose the congress is a bit maddening as well, to have both houses, barely do anything to rid the corruption, have congress fight against trump, then toss all re elections and more over not have a strong conservative push rise up to replace a failing congress, i find odd as well.

 

At this point in time  i would settle for cutting the government in half, 50/50 control through all three branches, add a seat or two to the supreme court so it is even for both parties, an just give each party the ability to vote in new party members an keep the presidency election the same. At least with 50/50 it becomes next to impossible to be completely screwed over another Carter, Clinton, Obama , regime and republicans can just keep pretending they can do anything.

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It's hard to say.  I've recently a nearly identical question on the forum.  It's possible a full blown gun grab could push in that direction.  Perhaps impeachment via a deep state coup that tries to implement socialism.  

 

I was listening to a youtuber who was discussing Shay's rebellion and saying that was the most likely situation to arise in our nation in the future.  I can see how tax payers may upright say enough is enough given how much they drain from us.  Nepotism, wasteful spending, the elites living extravagantly on our dime while driving up the debt and allowing the Fed to devalue the dollar, bailing out corporations and banks, and so on.  The list of abuses and scorning of the average citizen are quite long.  The bureaucrats and elected officials in this nation never make a sacrifice... yet they can demand us to give more and more under threat of prison and further fines.  I could see where communities might stand up and say... no more.  Hell, that's just the Federal government.  Look at the State level as well and you can see how the blue cities drain the red rural communities of their income.  My home state of PA is a prime example... the big cities get first priority over the rural communities.  Philly, Pitt, and Harrisburg are more than happy to take the farmer and small town family tax dollars to provide handouts to the blue voting block. 

 

I don't know what is going to happen or when.  Citizens, no matter the nation, have a breaking point.  Americans are taxed to death and treated like cogs.  We work our tail off during the week to send money to some country where they hate our guts.  We break our backs to feed our families and pay our bills and our tax dollars pay to send illegals to university.  We get lectured on pollution and global warming as the elites go flying all over and sailing on their yachts.  I don't hate on anyone who has worked hard and wants to fly around and sail the world... but, don't lecture me on my carbon foot print.  

 

If we were to actually sit down and compile a list of grievances and then list the plethora of transgressions that have transpired over the past 60 years in this nation... you get the point.  And that would be the things we remember.  So many offenses have been forgotten because of the rapid pace of the news cycle that a transgression is swept under the rug and forgotten about in a few weeks time.  We realize that there are serious problems in this nation... how many offenses have been forgotten over the passing of time!  If the average American could look at a true list they would be disgusted to see how much we have let the elites get away with in the 20th and 21st centuries alone. 

 

I'm not a fan of everything our President has said... but, he has been decent and seems to genuinely love the American people from what I can tell.  I see how he is treated by the 'deep state' and the media.

 

The fact of the matter is that the last President we had who was willing to speak against the deep state / secret societies didn't last very long.  We have been systematically broken down and abused for many years.  I don't know where the line is... but, to some degree... I believe the line has just been moved and moved and moved.  Anytime someone in power tries to point it out, they seem to stop breathing.  I have included a link from a JFK speech... for some reason YouTube doesn't allow this video to be 'embedded' according to pop up given when I put in... wonder why?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs

 

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This is a frequently recurring topic on here naturally.  I Would like to refer you to:

 

 

 


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain

 

"I prefer dangerous FREEDOM over peaceful SLAVERY" -Thomas Jefferson

 

"Si vis pacem para bellum" - Every wise warrior there ever was.

 

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I don't put much stock in Rush.  I can't recall the exact issue, but many years ago, something was coming up for a vote in Congress, and Rush was dead set against passage, and said so on his program.  The vote failed, and the next day rush was upset that the measure had been defeated (with accompanying blustery arguments as to why).  That was the moment I understood that he was a political (not comedy or music) entertainer, and his main goal is to have high ratings to keep his fat salary, through his many advertisers.  Now, I'm a conservative and agree with most of his points, but never, ever forget he's in it for the money.  Remember that when you listen to his remarks.

 

You have to also note that, at the very foundation of things is the New world Order:  UN, EU, NATO, ASEAN etc.  Since 1945 they have been working toward a unified one-world government.  Slowly at first but then gaining momentum in recent times.  It's a multi-pronged attack on our sovereignty; the institutions that make us who we are.  From respect for the flag, to the sanctity of elected offices, to what we teach our young people in school, to how we operate our local governments, and maintain our borders... all under attack from those who want to make the world a "home for humanity".  Basically BOTH parties follow that program, with the liberals wanting to go full-speed-ahead, and the conservatives taking it one-spoonfull-at-a-time.  I'm not sure there is a specific line in the sand we can agree on, but somebody said:  'You'll know when it's time."

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Well, let's look at it from an historical perspective.  The Revolutionary war "officially' started in 1775 at Lexington green, but it took months for the militia to gather around Boston.  Likewise, it also took months for many of the states in the South to debate and then ratify their secession from the Union in 1861.  I don't believe, for example, that if an assault weapons ban or some other legislation is passed on Tuesday, that we will see any significant response on Thursday.  Everyone will have to mull it over to their own satisfaction before anything results. 

 

I watched a video a few years ago called:  The First Day of the 2nd American Revolution.  It will take somebody with real cajones to be the first to stand up, and likely pay the ultimate price, to start the ball rolling.  Then you can expect a mass response.  At least that's how I see it.

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TY for the replies, n ty for the link to the other thread on the same topic, figured there was one, just searching forums for similar topics i find hard as the list to me always seems endless, and good point on Rush being a political entertainer a really valid point.  pretty much how i look at fox news as well as political entertainment rather than any kind of real news. Granted rush, fox an other conservative outlets do report factual news but in the long run it is all about ratings and a paycheck, and to a degree i can't fault em.   The political nature of the country gets exhausting and very frustrating and i can understand how some people can flip the crazy button at times. If  citizens  with any wealth an knowledge in this country actually did compile a list of grievances that were to be presented to the government in some form, it would be interesting, and not as a notice of hey these are problems that need to be fixed with in the next 20-50 years, but a notice of, this is why all of you are about to get your teeth knocked in of a notice, would be even more interesting.

 

Maybe another question is do we as a nation ever really want to have to face a breaking point and then if the answer becomes no, then the only answer is to keep voting for the changes we want to see to maintain peace.... an then maybe that is the difference with America and other nations, we see China going through the tides of change with Hong Kong and their protests, Venezuela and etc.. they have to do what they are doing because they just can't vote a problem out like America can. They can't sit by for 2-4 years and just vote problems away. An another good point was about the short memory span of the nation. Maybe at best, it is a week on an issue. At most it seems to be a month, and then with national tragedies maybe a year ? People as a whole cant seem to care enough about an issue long enough to be bothered to demand a vote on issues that are crippling our nation to certain degrees. 

 

I like to imagine a syfy version of our government where becoming an elected official from president, congress, and senate , carries a death sentence for them once their time is up or at worse, they lose a limb. To me it is only fair. We have our emergency services that put their lives on the line all the time and die in the line of duty and a military just he same.. An exactly what do our elected officials give up or exactly what pressures do they face other than the fear of not being re elected.  Ah an bringing back duels to settle disputes with in the government. with no wiggle room for getting out of a duel and no throwing in the towel before a shot is fired. wooo an any deliberate miss results in a automatic loss of ones argument. 

 

It is frustrating though all of it , the checks and balances that were put in place have been circumvented and politicians no longer have any fear of the decisions they make. An once in a while I appreciate being able to pop in here to vent, an let it go, to save what is left of my sanity. 

 

cheers to all an to a good forum.

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