Are Females A Combat Liability?

[Claw Hammer 481]

8 minutes ago, Thundwewolf001 said:

The only problem people have with my post is the phrase "patriot factories"??? Seriously? Would you guys FEEL better if called them "future mothers of patriots?" Or something else? Or should just refuse to mention the fact altogether because saying women should be mothers is "oppressing" them?

 

The fact that everything about females, from the way their brains are wired, to their pain endurance levels, to their very bone structure, TO THEIR DNA ITSELF...revolves around making children. That this is a fact...DOES NOT...simultaneously...mean...that that's their ONLY purpose! Obviously!

 

And really? Women can do something truly extraordinary that men ABSOLUTELY CANNOT. Period! That ability is a little too valuable to waste on the front line firing a rifle, getting shot at, and massively risking permanent crippling injuries to her hips and femurs! Also, for EVERY female patriot capable of having children that loves the constitution and wants america to survive that dies or is rendered unable to have children because they were wounded...there goes several future patriot children right along with her.

 

Again...MEN. CANNOT. HAVE. CHILDREN. You know what this means right?

 

Women can do something men cannot. This is obviously, objectively, factually true. If you have a problem with this fact, then you're a moron. Now reverse the positioning of the words "men" and "women." Men can do something women cannot. Is there suddenly a problem with this sentence?

 

Because if so, you're a sexist, and also a moron.

 

Stop this crap. Women are objectively a liability in combat. The only time women should be fighting in combat is when combat forces itself upon her. Females should NEVER seek it out. This DOES NOT MEAN that they shouldn't be ready for combat, or that they can't fight! Gaaah!

 There's obviously exceptions to every rule, but males and females are NOT equal in ability! Obviously! This isn't complicated!

 

 

 

 

"Let's put women on the front lines, just like the Left wants us to do!"

 

...If the Left agrees with an idea it's almost certainly a bad one. Dangit guys! Don't you realize what the left has done, and your doing the very thing they programmed you to do? God DID NOT make men and women equal! This is why Satan tempted eve and not adam. This is why those two got different punishments. It's why eve has an extra rib. It's why men tend to look more stern and women more caring. On and on.

 

Btw, I'm 31. A millennial. I've done a hard reject of the Left in it's disgusting entirety, and if everyone else did too, this world would get massively better overnight.

 

I'm so sick of this "much more than being a mother" crap! Seriously??? What job is more important than being a parent????? What's more important THAN MAKING A NEW HUMAN THAT LOVES FREEDOM FROM A BUNCH OF FOOD AND WATER??? Stop with the stupid feminism!

 

 

Well it wasnt the only thing and I understand where your trying to go with it.    Without men women cant have babies either.    So you kinda lost me on the factory thing.   I think they should be like previously stated combat effective and ready for a fight.  Russian and Israeli women served well and our own females in the us also do a ok job.  

 

I dont necessary see them as front line shock troops but I dont see any of doing that either.    The entire fight we would have is Asymmetric warfare.  Where its small teams doing strikes and snipers.  Women can shoot so if you had some that can pull weight so be it.  Alot of men talk a big game but 99 cheeseburgers away from taking the hill and haven't honestly trained with firearms either.  

 

What I am saying it's a combined effort and one sure way to burn away females from joining is your attitude about them.

[Claw Hammer 481]

On 10/15/2019 at 3:49 PM, RevRifleman said:

https://www.cmrlink.org/issues/full/what-really-happened-to-jessica-lynch

 

 

She is the perfect example of people who didn't take combat arms seriously.  Didnt know her weapon and didnt know the basics of her job.   She maybe the poster child for it but a lot of our military are like her.

[REBEL FOR LIFE 39]

7 hours ago, Thundwewolf001 said:

The only problem people have with my post is the phrase "patriot factories"??? Seriously? Would you guys FEEL better if called them "future mothers of patriots?" Or something else? Or should just refuse to mention the fact altogether because saying women should be mothers is "oppressing" them?

 

The fact that everything about females, from the way their brains are wired, to their pain endurance levels, to their very bone structure, TO THEIR DNA ITSELF...revolves around making children. That this is a fact...DOES NOT...simultaneously...mean...that that's their ONLY purpose! Obviously!

 

And really? Women can do something truly extraordinary that men ABSOLUTELY CANNOT. Period! That ability is a little too valuable to waste on the front line firing a rifle, getting shot at, and massively risking permanent crippling injuries to her hips and femurs! Also, for EVERY female patriot capable of having children that loves the constitution and wants america to survive that dies or is rendered unable to have children because they were wounded...there goes several future patriot children right along with her.

 

Again...MEN. CANNOT. HAVE. CHILDREN. You know what this means right?

 

Women can do something men cannot. This is obviously, objectively, factually true. If you have a problem with this fact, then you're a moron. Now reverse the positioning of the words "men" and "women." Men can do something women cannot. Is there suddenly a problem with this sentence?

 

Because if so, you're a sexist, and also a moron.

 

Stop this crap. Women are objectively a liability in combat. The only time women should be fighting in combat is when combat forces itself upon her. Females should NEVER seek it out. This DOES NOT MEAN that they shouldn't be ready for combat, or that they can't fight! Gaaah!

 There's obviously exceptions to every rule, but males and females are NOT equal in ability! Obviously! This isn't complicated!

 

 

 

 

"Let's put women on the front lines, just like the Left wants us to do!"

 

...If the Left agrees with an idea it's almost certainly a bad one. Dangit guys! Don't you realize what the left has done, and your doing the very thing they programmed you to do? God DID NOT make men and women equal! This is why Satan tempted eve and not adam. This is why those two got different punishments. It's why eve has an extra rib. It's why men tend to look more stern and women more caring. On and on.

 

Btw, I'm 31. A millennial. I've done a hard reject of the Left in it's disgusting entirety, and if everyone else did too, this world would get massively better overnight.

 

I'm so sick of this "much more than being a mother" crap! Seriously??? What job is more important than being a parent????? What's more important THAN MAKING A NEW HUMAN THAT LOVES FREEDOM FROM A BUNCH OF FOOD AND WATER??? Stop with the stupid feminism!

In this fight y'all going to need anyone you can get rather they are lgbt conservatives/females..They know Islam does not accept gays/Americans & Christians. 

 

It doesn't matter who you are as long as they love their country and is able to fight back.  

 

This is no longer the North & South.

 

[Spiritwomyn 75]

Jesus went to the home of Martha and Mary. Martha was cooking, cleaning, serving, being a "Proper woman"  Mary was sitting and Jesus feet and listening and learning. Martha complained, and Jesus said Mary made the better choice. yes we are capable of making babies, but it does not mean we have to.

[REBEL FOR LIFE 39]

Screw being a proper woman.  It's time to LOCK AND LOAD. 

[LetFreedomRing 5,753]

Anyone can be a combat liability if they aren't trained to capable and don't meet the actual minimum standards.  In the militia there are support roles needed just as in the military which has about 9 support soldiers for every combat arms soldier.   To paraphrase General Patton, support troops are soldiers first and foremost and in a fight all take up arms.  I had a meeting of my group this evening, there were 5 men and 4 women in attendance.  Yes most / not all of the women members are in support roles per their wishes but they all train in everything and carry rifles too, if you attack our defensive position, they will shoot you just as dead as a man would.  I think that says it all.

[Matt In West Virginia 998]

On 10/12/2019 at 4:22 PM, fixer said:

So...What do you think? Comment Below...

 

My comments are in response to the initial post by @ fixer :

I have been refraining any response or opinion I've had because for the most part I have to disqualify myself from being knowledgeable of our main military's role in the world... not that I don't know what they are doing and why, but because I have never been enlisted in the military, it would be arrogant of me to think I could muster knowledge of what it would be like to have females in combat with me in who knows what country, under who knows what kind of conditions, with who knows what kinds of missions we would be running as a unit, with who knows what kind of speed, strength, agility and endurance that would be needed to properly traverse and survive the mission. It would be my GUESS, that the possible scenarios of a military that literally traverses the globe would require maximum abilities of ALL these qualities for individual and corporate survival. 

If I may be permitted though, I will comment on my life experience and then comment on how the question of whether females would be a "combat liability" in a certain situation in which I am preparing right now: A Community Militia.

I don't think anyone (including a female) would contest the fact that for the most part, females are the physically weaker sex. I spent 30 years on the railroad on the rail gangs. There's no way to describe what that is like to anyone that hasn't done it. If I were to tell you the stories, you would think me just spinning yarns much like some do when telling their favorite fishing stories. It is putting it very mildly that the physical aspect of the work was beyond anything people would think exists today in the modern workforce. In all that time, I saw but ONE woman in between the tracks working on the gangs. The railroad always had the policy that there was NO SUCH THING as "light duty". They were exactly right. But in all of 30 years, I saw them make one exception, and it was for that single female. She performed a job that usually took one man to do. In her case, she did part of the job, and at any given time, depending on what needed done at the moment to maintain the production of that job, most of the time 2, and sometimes 3 men were required to keep her going. I'm not knocking the fact. I'm just saying that is the way it was. And never, ever, were there a hammer in her hand, or any other tool, for that matter. 

So it's kind of easy to deduce that if the job requirements hinges strictly on physical strength, women may not qualify to do the job alone. That being said, that is NOT the case in a community militia.

In a community militia SHTF scenario... who has a "choice"? I mean you have one of two options no matter what sex you are: You will either be a soldier, or you will be a victim, and that choice will be made by each of us individually. Either you will have prepared as best you can, or not. You will either have, or you will have not, and the people that have not will want what you have and they will try to take it. It breaks my heart to think of my loved ones in a foxhole with me... or huddled up in a dwelling or tent at our HQ or an outpost trying to figure out what in the hell we're going to do to survive... to see a fight coming our way and knowing that my beloved wife, brother, sister, their families, children and grandchildren will also be in the fight TRYING to survive. I will be wanting to PROTECT them ALL from that... but I won't be able to... This is what I think of 1st whenever I hear someone suggest that freedom is free. Just because we've lived for so long standing on the shoulders of everyone before us that have given everything, we are arrogant enough to think freedom would never require another payment of self-sacrifice.

It doesn't even matter what kind of s*** hits the fan. S*** is s***. It will stink no matter where it comes from, whether it be the zombie have not's after an emp attack or whether it be a tyrannical government looking to make subjects of us all. Whatever cause we find ourselves fighting for, we will ALL be in it together. There won't be any "recruitment" in-as-much as we won't be recruiting to evaluate people and only the best qualified chosen for the job. We will have a job to do, each and EVERY ONE of us, whether we are qualified or not. In that case, we all would do well to simply bind together and do these things AS BEST WE CAN as a corporate unit in preparation of the worst and harboring hope for the best.

There is coming a time when questions like these will be the furthest things from our minds. There have been times in history when the underdogs have decided to give it all... times when they would rather die than to live the way they've been forced to live in tyranny. We've already been there twice in our own history of America: the Revolution and the war against slavery. I cannot express how it pisses me off that the general population forgets things such as that which were so grave... so... intense... such... a sacrifice by soooo many... that they would become a spoiled bunch of brats willing to trade their birthright for a bowl of stew. All that it would take to prevent having to die once again for our country... is people to "remember"... to "never forget" the sacrifices that have been made and why. Then? Just show up at a damned ballot box and vote for what is right. Take a little time to educate yourselves so you can know when someone is lying to you and NEVER give them power.

But that's not how it's working. Is it?

No. There is NO SUCH THING as a LIABILITY in ANY community militia as long as the intent and goals are shared by all within. There are only people with gifts that are giving in accordance to those gifts. The wise will USE THEM and MAXIMIZE the capability of the unit because of them.

[Randi Altman 171]

We are David!

[modernpaladin 31]

Seems to me that women generally have a different -yet valuable- skillset than men when it comes to combat. First off- they're better natural shots than men, as they're more in tune with the subjective (read subconscious) calculations the human brain makes when doing things like firing without aiming. HOWEVER, men tend to be better trained (or 'professional') shots than women because men tend to have more of the focus required to make the necessary conscious calculations for things like extreme long range marksmanship or lobbing artillery.

Women also tend to accept the ruthlessness of battle more easily (though it has been proposed that this is because they're usually fighting men- much of the analysis comes from Russian women fighting Nazi's in WW2) and are less prone to hesitation when it comes to killing in battle (although violent video games have recently largely negated this hesitation in men). Women also tend to suffer less regret from the killing inherent in battle. They're less often kept up at night decades later wondering if the people they killed really deserved it. Its unclear whether this aids them in actual battle, but its worth mentioning.

Women are less reliable in offensive military engagements, such as assaulting the enemy, but are more reliable (more focused, really) when it comes to defense. Men tend to view a defensible position as a strategic asset- to be taken when its more valuable than what they have, or to be kept until it no longer seems valuable or 'worth it', in which case they'll be seeking to withdraw to a better one. Women tend to view any position as 'home' and will thus more vigilantly fight to keep it, though are less prone to see the value in sacrificing merely to go somewhere else.

Men are physically stonger due to their muscle and bone density, but women can function with worse physical trauma due to millions of years of childbirth.

The biggest problem to co-ed combat is that men and women are more strongly programmed to protect their counterparts than they are eachother. A man can be relatively easily trained to ignore other men being put in danger or injured and begging for mommy. Women can ignore this of other women even more easily. However its extremely difficult to train men to accept women in danger or women to accept men in danger. Co-ed units will have a much harder time focusing on the objective when the SHTF than single-sexed units.

These are, of course, general principles and not applicable to each individual. Further, they all can be overcome by training and experience.

For more on the effectiveness of women in war, read up on the Russian 588th Light (or Night) Bomber Squadron- women flying cropdusters, in the dark, bombing Nazi's so effectively that Hitler promised the Iron Cross to every Luftwaffe pilot that shot one down.

 

 

 

 

[RustySHackleford 11]

"84% of Women Fail Army Fitness Test"
I guess that means 16% of them passed. 

Individuals should be judged on their individual capabilities and merits alone. 

[Major John 5]

Ask the Kurdish YPJ brigades who are all women and fought against ISIS.  Some of the most courageous and best warriors in the world.

[RevRifleman 1,512]

As the saying goes... just because a person can do something doesn't mean that it is the ideal or should be done.  

 

Children carry AK's and fight in civil wars in Africa.  

 

Children can decide to get their organs chemically burned off in America.  

 

We can go down the road of moral relativism/subjectivism and swim in the waters of post-modernism all day long.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NightMaster 138]

American women arent built for that mentally. its so bad they've infected most of the male populace with effeminate qualities that they congratulate and reward them for. Its all about the individual.

[Todd A. Slee 1,465]

     You hit the nail right on the head! And the Socialists in America are pushing that very agenda. Woman says she want that man, then they try to turn them into an effeminate limp wrist. Words fitly spoken!

[Todd A. Slee 1,465]

      Send all the N.O.W. women to fight ISIS. They'll probably have them crawling back to their wives.

[Todd A. Slee 1,465]

     Should probably be based on merits alone, and maybe have single sex units. Read up on Lozen, the female Apache warrior, and there was one other known in history, of the Apaches. Mexicans were scared of 'em. All women scare me.

[Major John 5]

I feel that there are great comments to my post but want to clarify my
response.  I served 26 years in the military 8 enlisted as Marine and Army
and 18 officer in the Army.  All in combat billets starting with Vietnam in
1971.  During that time, of course there were no women in combat. It was
never the intention of the military services to allow women in combat
billets due to reasons of safety, lack of strength, pregnancy, etc.
However, due to the social engineering of Congress and DoD, the services
were forced t integrate.  It is not an ideal situation for the US and I was
referring to Kurd women as a means to show they can if the reasons are there
for their involvement - which there is.  However, the feminization of men in
schools and other external influences have negatively influenced our
military.  I now work as a civilian at Marine Corps Headquarters and
associated with both women and men Marines.  Some women of course are
capable of just about anything a man can do but as one post stated that
should not be the overriding reason for integration.   However, I do feel
that since women want equal opportunity in everything, they should not be
excluded if we need to revert to a draft; which may be on the horizon.  

[Todd A. Slee 1,465]

     Should probably be based on merits alone, and maybe have single sex units. Read up on Lozen, the female Apache warrior, and there was one other known in history, of the Apaches. Mexicans were scared of 'em. All women scare me.

     Speaking of merit and equal opportunity, that's good and fine. So if combat duty or otherwise requires certain things, then the tests and training should consist of such, same for both sexes, not tempered for one or the other.

[Major John 5]

The training and physical fitness tests are the same for Marines.  I will though still make the point that forced integration of both sexes and transgender individuals came from politicians not the military.

[Patriot1069 70]

My only experience serving with women was while in boot.  While in Great Mistakes, San Diego closed the women’s training center for renovations.  They shipped over several companies to train with us but separately.  At times going to chow or heading back to the “Deck”, we their companies would pass us.

 

A lot of us would talked about serving with women after training.  I have to say we were split near in half for and against.  We all had our reasons of course but both sides had good points.  For the record, I sided on against.  Not for the reason that I thought they were weak or couldn’t do the job.  

 

My view was focused on two things:

 

1) Working, eating, and sleeping in such close quarters would lead to fraternization.  Fraternization could/would lead to relationships aboard ship.  In itself it’s human nature a cause and effect scenario.  The problem comes when the relationship hits the reef.  Eventually it would make it difficult to work together (not impossible but difficult) and focus on the task at hand.  

 

2) Even if everything goes well it still brings in the question of focusing on the tasks to accomplish the mission.  In a combat situation I believe the focus would be a confusion of task verses safety of the other.  This would be further complicated if say the ship was attacked and sustained heavy damage and heavy casualties.  Even though it was drilled in our heads that “if we do what we were trained to do you’ll make it through” the focus is still not fully on the task.  Mistakes get made and so on and so forth.  

 

Let me site a video that we were shown that really hit a nerve in all of us.  The video was about the U.S.S. Forestall and what happened in Vietnam.  There is a documentary made for tv about it but does not contain some of the footage we got to see.  The footage that was edited out was the most disturbing and heartcrushing scenes not for public consumption.  Let me say that there was not one dry eye in the room by the time it was over.  Thanks to the crew and the steadfast Captain, she made it back to get repaired and refit.  

 

Now back to my point, that ending could have been a lot different if the focus was not fully on the task at hand.  To me it’s not about a woman can do the job or is physically up to the task but more being our primal instinct to lose focus where it comes to women.  I feel that the way we did it in the past where when it comes to combat was better.  In the past, a woman was allowed to serve with her duty ship but once it got orders to deploy to Yankee Station the women were transferred to support vessels and male replacements were transferred to the departing ship.  

 

This is only my opinion for better or worse.

[Spiritwomyn 75]

I am personally tired of people lumping everyone under the same labels. ALL MEN, ALL WOMEN, etc. We are ALL humans and we all have the same capacity and skills and abilities. We just utilize them differently based on our individuality.

 

The same God made us all. If some one wants to do it and proves they can, who are you to deny them?  Humans want to dictate to other humans, instead of letting each become who God leads them to be.