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A very interesting and frank presentation.

 

Here's the problem: it is true, as old Bismarck said, that all of the great questions facing mankind, are settled not by parliamentary majorities, but by blood and iron.

 

But: that iron has to be borne, and the blood shed, by people.  If the majority of people in the US want to destroy the Republic -- and it appears to me that we are headed in that way -- then the

minority has got a problem: what do we do? 

 

Now no one knows the future --- there are an infinite number of possible variants, and the exact course of events in the US will depend in part on events OUTSIDE of the US: if the world economy crashes and the US descends into a deep economic depression, that's going to have a big effect. If a rising China inflicts a humiliating military defeat on the US, that too will have an effect.  A second 9/11 could occur. We don't know.

 

But here's one thing you can be sure of: an armed minority in the US will not be able to somehow change the minds of the emerging majority, not even with bullets.

It won't even be able to convince the majority to leave it alone.  Your children WILL be subject to the rapidly-growing trends in the education system to normalize out-of-the-normal sexual behavior. They WILL be taught that America is a racist country with a terrible history of oppression, and that whites have 'white privilege'. There WILL be transgender company commanders in the Marine Corps. The Supreme Court as currently constituted can slow down some of this stuff, but it will eventually be staffed by progressives -- or even 'packed' by the next progressive president. We WILL be on the road to becoming a blend of Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

 

So long as the Progressive Left move along accepted political lines, they will retain democratic legitimacy in the eyes of most Americans.  Anyone who tries to undertake some sort of armed rebellion against an elected government, will find that the armed bodies of the state -- the police and epecially the military -- will remain loyal. And a few tens of thousands of milita members will NOT be able to defeat the 82nd Aireborne.

 

So what to do?  Of course, keep training, and above all, keep growing.

 

But we must be gentle as doves and wise as serpents. We have to win over the broad middle of the country, at least to a position of neutrality.  This has many aspects -- it will be necessary to repel the White Supremacist Right and/or to win some of their base to true American principles. It will be necessary to repel the crazies (most of whom will be provocateurs anyway). It will be necessary to show that the militia is not just a bunch of people with guns but is a logical embodiment of an original American principle: local self-reliance,  preparing for any sort of emergency: natural, or man-made.

 

But .. what should the aim of the militia movement be, if, as the author of this video suggests -- and I believe he's right -- that we will NOT change the transformation of America into something else, alien?

 

If you think about it, there is only one answer, as radical as it is: peaceful separation into two new countries.

 

I know this sounds crazy. It sounds crazy to me!   But ... is there any other way to preserve the values upon which the Republic was founded? If so, I would love to hear about it.

 

But if we assume this is the only course, then certain things follow: we must begin to explore all the complexities involved : legal, economic, pragmatic.  Many of the objections one thinks of first are actually not that big a deal. I won't go into details here,. 

 

The only REAL obstacle is that, at the moment, the great majority of Americans would think that it's a crazy, impossible idea. So that has to be changed: if the spearation of the US into two new states -- roughly, a 'Red' America and a 'Blue' one ever happens, it will ONLY happen if the majority of Americans  -- of those who vote, and their representatives -- are willing to allow it.

 

There are ways to make progress towards that goal, which I won't go into here now. (This post is already too long). But a KEY idea, which cannot be stgressed too much -- but which needs to be stressed especially on sites like this -- is that the proposed separation is one which should be LEGAL, PEACEFUL, and ORDERLY -- an 'amicable divorce', with full guarantees for the rights an dproperty and well being of everyone, including 'Blue Americans' who remain in the new 'Red State America' and vice versa.  Threats of violence, irresponsible speculation about 'civil war',  fantasizing about guerilla war by would-be Rambos -- will do inestimable damage to the cause, which requires, critically, the acceptance, even if reluctant, of the majority of the nation.

 

At the same time, two points:  (1) a determined people will not remain unarmed, and (2) there are things which are done, and not said; and there are things which are said and not done.

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I also believe that a separation into two countries may be the best solution.  As long as we keep a good chunk of the gulf coast and Great Lakes ports so our trade via sea can't be cut off we should be just fine.  The constitutionalist part of the country already raises most of the food.  Plus no reason we can't trade with the new border country(ies) either, a ton of wheat for a ton of trade goods and material...  ?  

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The left will never allow for a peaceful separation.  If they do... it will only be temporary.  They would immediately begin every effort possible to undermine and infiltrate just as they have already here and elsewhere.  Communism is a virus and it has infected the whole world.  Our nation is infected whether or not anyone in the mainstream wants to admit it.  

 

The question is whether or not we can ride it or if it kills us.  It's hard to predict the future... stats and demographics only tell us so much.  

 

The fact that people in liberal states can look out their window, see homeless heroin addicts sitting feces on their street and go pull a blue lever at election times tells you how brain-dead the political left have become in many places.  If they aren't awake now, they never will be.  The fact that California after all these years of tyranny still votes solidly blue is evidence of how powerful communist and socialist indoctrination is.   

 

 

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Doug1943....... I used to think like much of what you say back in the mid 90's , until I finally realized that the financial elite just will not allow it to be so . They want , nay , NEED to control this country whole or at least have it to be such a huge monetary windfall to see it split up.

 

Now with that in mind if you where to just think that handing over dominion to Leftist Strongholds which tend for the most part on our coasts , including the Great Lakes without the rest of the supporting state to go along with it then that would be great for them , but not for us as those are the port cities to which most of the manufactured goods in this country flow out of today , hence making them in part so wealthy.

The Left would have us in a stranglehold . On the flip side one could argue just the opposite . Now you have a deadlocked situation or importing/exporting trade agreements , thus continuing the enrichment of their Leftist Edens.

Also what your not addressing is that now the Soviet States of America will be free to make agreements with foreign nations for military aid and assistance . We could easily have Chinese troops permanently stationed to former USA military bases and running their warships along the coast line of any said West-Coast Leftist Safe Place.

How about Russian and Iranian warships , aircraft and drones buzzing along the East-Coast only to turn around when they hit New Hampshire  waters and continue on down to what , Virginia Beach ? Before making the run again ?

How about Florida ? Cuban/Mexican/ Venezuela/ ??? / troops there also ?

 

The only way that it would work , and only until they ran out of supplies , would be to relocate them to interior states and lock those areas down , along with very restricted Treaty regulations . Yeah , they won't go for that , it'll mean that they get less free shit and the means to support said FREE SHIT SYSTEM , pardon me ...... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" System . Which is completely unsustainable as they no longer have the means and brain trust to do so. So they eat their own until they are no more.

 

Communists are the Bloodsucking lamprey's of any civilized society .

 

I know because I was born and raised in Chicagoland , my father was a factory union leader , a line ticket voting Democrat , avowed Socialist who dreamed of being a Communist  but he "loved" his money too much to be one full-time . I was raised around his meetings of rebellion and resistance . I know of what I speak of and of the inner thinking of people like he was . I started to reject it all at about 10-years old when I started working more summer jobs and did not relish the idea of forfeiting the monitory rewards of my labor to others that chose not to put forth the same effort. It just made an already bad situation even worse , until the day that I heard that he had died , six-months or so from the day that he did .

 

These people cannot be reasoned with because they already live in a fantasy world .

 

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On 11/15/2019 at 6:07 AM, Pastor Mike said:

Doug1943....... I used to think like much of what you say back in the mid 90's , until I finally realized that the financial elite just will not allow it to be so . They want , nay , NEED to control this country whole or at least have it to be such a huge monetary windfall to see it split up.

 

Now with that in mind if you where to just think that handing over dominion to Leftist Strongholds which tend for the most part on our coasts , including the Great Lakes without the rest of the supporting state to go along with it then that would be great for them , but not for us as those are the port cities to which most of the manufactured goods in this country flow out of today , hence making them in part so wealthy.

The Left would have us in a stranglehold . On the flip side one could argue just the opposite . Now you have a deadlocked situation or importing/exporting trade agreements , thus continuing the enrichment of their Leftist Edens.

Also what your not addressing is that now the Soviet States of America will be free to make agreements with foreign nations for military aid and assistance . We could easily have Chinese troops permanently stationed to former USA military bases and running their warships along the coast line of any said West-Coast Leftist Safe Place.

How about Russian and Iranian warships , aircraft and drones buzzing along the East-Coast only to turn around when they hit New Hampshire  waters and continue on down to what , Virginia Beach ? Before making the run again ?

How about Florida ? Cuban/Mexican/ Venezuela/ ??? / troops there also ?

 

The only way that it would work , and only until they ran out of supplies , would be to relocate them to interior states and lock those areas down , along with very restricted Treaty regulations . Yeah , they won't go for that , it'll mean that they get less free shit and the means to support said FREE SHIT SYSTEM , pardon me ...... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" System . Which is completely unsustainable as they no longer have the means and brain trust to do so. So they eat their own until they are no more.

 

Communists are the Bloodsucking lamprey's of any civilized society .

 

I know because I was born and raised in Chicagoland , my father was a factory union leader , a line ticket voting Democrat , avowed Socialist who dreamed of being a Communist  but he "loved" his money too much to be one full-time . I was raised around his meetings of rebellion and resistance . I know of what I speak of and of the inner thinking of people like he was . I started to reject it all at about 10-years old when I started working more summer jobs and did not relish the idea of forfeiting the monitory rewards of my labor to others that chose not to put forth the same effort. It just made an already bad situation even worse , until the day that I heard that he had died , six-months or so from the day that he did .

 

These people cannot be reasoned with because they already live in a fantasy world .

 

Okay..... I think what you're saying is:   the majority of people in the USA will eventually put a 'progressive/Leftist/anti-liberty' government into power, and will keep it there. This leftist movemetn will have a majority in the House, in the Senate, and will have the Presidency.  Eventually, it will have the majority of the Supreme Court, either through the natural passage of time and mortality, or possibly by doing what Roosevelt threatened to do, 'pack' the Supreme Court by adding more new (leftist) justices.  With this domination, they will hollow out any organs of the state that remain: the FBI, the CIA, the military. They will also do the same thing at state level, where they dominate (in the Blue States ... and more and more more Red States are turning Blue). And in the remaining Red States, they will use the power of the Federal Government to override the will of the Red State majority.

 

Have I mis-represented your prognosis? 

 

Assuming it's true -- and it seems quite reasonable to me -- then what should we do?

 

I have one big fear, which is that on the Right, there is a Rambo-like fantasy, of some sort of 'uprising' and ... somehow ... of restoring the Republic, agains the will of the 'progressive' majority. Sorry, that is not going to happen.

 

Yes, in a shoot-out between civilians on the Right -- the militia, and the millions of vets, gun-owners, policemen, ordinary decent people who are now poltically passive,  who would rush to join it in a civil war == situation ... versus ... what, anti--Fa? the 'Socialist Gun Club'? MI13? -- in such a show down, it would be no contest.  That's why the Left will never permit such a showdown.

 

They're going to use the power of the state: the police (at all levels) and the military.  

 

Now, as admirable as the militia are, in a confrontation between the USMC, or the 101st Airborne, and any number of militia groups ... there will be only one winner.  Don't kid yourselves!   Holliywood has served up Rambo to intoxicate you, but Rambo is fantasy for 14-year olds. YOU WILL NOT DEFEAT THE AMERICAN MILITARY IN ANY HEAD-TO-HEAD CONFRONTATION.  And the goal of the Left is to have control of the military, to hollow it out, to drive out the genuine patriots in its leadership and to replace them either by their own people, or by people who care more about their pensions than principle, who will go along with all the changes the Left want to see in the military, and which they are already putting into place. They're already well on the way to doing this. 

 

Nor are all the examples of 'guerilla war' -- in Cuba, Vietnam, China, Yugoslavia etc ... relevant. None of them are remotely like a future American 'civil war'.   I won't go into details here about what distinguished each of them from our future possible situation, but almost all of them are entirely irrelevant.  (The closest analogy is the Cuban Revolution. More about that, and thte whole guerilla war thing another time.)

 

So ... given a majority-supported 'Progressive' Nightmare domination of the American state, what should Constitutionalists do?

 

There is only one solution!!!!   Sorry, I wish I coiuld say offer something else. But it's OBVIOUS.  It's just not easy  to see this happening smoothly, but, unfortunately, just as in 1775 ... there is no 'smooth' solution.

 

We don't know the future. Maybe things will change dramatically. Maybe old-fashioned JFK liberalism will re-assert itself against the pro-Transgender pro-Feces-on-the-sidewalk Left.  You can see some movement in this direction among the Democrats, for instance, Tulsi Gabbard.  But she is very much a minority, and will be covered in dead dogs -- a RUSSIAN AGENT!!!! -- by the corrupt Hillary-beast wing, which is actually in control there.

 

So ... we need NOW to begin raising the possibility -- gently, peacefully, in a friendly,manner -- of an amicable divorce.  The orderly, peaceful, separation of those parts of the US which cannot abide living under permanent Progressive rule.  It's a radical idea, and therefore goes against the conservative grain, and rightly so.  But it's the ONLY WAY to avoid a horrible future.

 

This will involve years of political work: writing articles for the press raising this idea, bringing it up in forums like this, making alliances with other forces (and there are some, even on the Left) who are amenable to this.  If we can win a significant minority of American Constitutionalists to be in favor of it, and win the neutrality/indifference of most of the broad middle, and maybe even win the support of some on the Left (who might like to be rid of us so they can carry out their utopian experiments unhindered by our presence) .. . then we have a chance.

 

But .... if anyone doesn't agree, but does see the direction America is heading in ... what is YOUR alternative?

 

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So I've been giving this some thought this past week , not so much as to what really needs to be done on multiple levels to just begin to set things straight but in how to try and get across to you and others out there watching what we are saying just how NOT SIMPLE all of this is.

 

Let me start off with saying that our system of government is nowhere close to being as great as many people love to say , it's not , not even close. There are many reasons for this but that is all for a later discussion , what I am getting at is that regardless of how we go about doing what in my eyes is inevitable , what is more important is how will we prevent something like what we are facing from ever happening again .

Food for thought as this discussion continues , and please remember that no system can be entirely FAIR to EVERYONE , it's impossible , hence why rules are for the majority of a population who can live with them , and those in whatever minority classifications , be they individual or groups, it is their responsibility to navigate as best they can within said system or face one of two choices .

 

1- Openly suppress their public desires and in effect live two different lives , one out in the world and one behind closed doors.

2- Move to whatever "perfect" place on Earth will let them do whatever it is that they want, that they can't do here and surrender any RIGHTS to ever coming back for any reason and forfeit any and all financial dealings and ties .

 

Basically if you chose to leave you leave EVERYTHING and you can not pull any stunts like George Sorros does in destroying a country through his wealth . That will earn you a drone strike , so any friends that you make in your new homeland would be well advised to stay away from you unless they wish the same fate.

 

So with all of this in mind here we go ....

 

What I see playing out , more or less , is staged chaos . The DEEP STATE along with whatever global power groups that are pulling the strings need to have America fall to the rest of the world's standard of living , well at least the vast majority of it.

I've been publicly saying this since the mid-90's when I finally realized that it was a completely futile attempt to bring the rest of the world up to ours. Hence all of the social welfare programs that have caused more harm then good in tearing families apart while perpetrating the ongoing lie that the government wants them to be strong , The moral rot and decay , the murdering and selling of babies and calling it a woman's "choice" , the list goes on and on . We all know what is to blame and yet none of us can do anything to stop it , because the government always gets in the way along with their butt buddy in the media/film industries.

 

I see a series of "terrorist actions" , pointing fingers in different directions for whatever political pull it will give the puppet masters at that given time , with most of them being coordinated false flag operations , many of which can already be seen when a government agency finds some idiots , indoctrinates them , plans some horrific crime , provides said patsy with a "fake bomb" or some such , and then swoops in to save the day and show everyone how safe they are because of their due diligence .

We can expect more controlled power outages , crop failures (real and concealed ), more rampant viruses to really get everyone worked up and then ................... limited EMP strike.

Not everywhere mind you , just a couple of places of no major importance to get the populace behind whatever regime is currently in place in D.C. and distract the people with a "OUTSIDE THREAT" . Which will also bring about more draconian laws and Acts.

Now you have masses of people suddenly mass migrating out of the affected zones to their neighbors who still have power and services . This would most likely take affect in the dead of winter , if it was me planning it I would target Christmas Day.

Why ?

For several reasons , please hear me out:

1- IT'S A CHRISTIAN HIGH HOLIDAY !!! If you were going to attack a Muslim nation , wanted complete surprise and catch your enemy basically with his pants down then you would attack on the most holy of their holidays because logic dictates that that would be the best time to do so.

Remember Gen. George Washington crossed the Delaware River on Christmas morning to attack and defeat the Hessian mercenary forces at Trenton New Jersey Dec. 26 1776.

 

2- Most people will be at home in larger groups then normal.

 

3- The airlines will have minimal staff on duty that day with limited flights, essentially the majority of aircraft will be safely on the ground.

 

4- Public Services will be minimized with the vast majority of staff being home.

 

5- The financial districts will be shut down , so no chance to run down to the bank and withdraw the few dollars that you have left after holiday shopping.

 

6- Many service members will be away from their duty stations on leave , especially if we have been at a very low DEFCON rating for quite some time and the national threat level has been kept lowered so as to not panic holiday shoppers from spending their savings and raking up those credit limits . Plus as anyone who knows most military bases basically close up shop for that day .

 

7- Without local power ,, no local communication and every cell phone fried , no water and sewer , transportation at a standstill , frigid temperatures , most homes not having alternative sources of heat , the city's population will panic .

 

8- Studies have shown distinct differences in how city/urban populations react to long-term power outages depending on outside weather. If it's hot and muggy outside much of the population will be out on the streets and that always goes really bad really quick. Whereas in a sub-zero snowbound situation most people tend to stay indoors for the first day or so before seeking out sources of heat and services.

 

9- So with everything basically shutdown , no way to contact additional emergency personnel , no real functioning transportation for said personal and the mass population as a whole , no heat , clogged up toilets , no running water for drinking or sanitation , and don't forget that many people are already dealing with some form of respiratory illness of the airborne nature ....... You now have a ticking time bomb of pandemic proportions just waiting to go off.

 

10 - Do you really think that with all of this going on over the holiday break that the Federal Government could rapidly mobilize to come to the aid of at least three affected metropolitan areas spread out over several states with an average population of lets say just one-million people each in a very timely manner ? The simple answer is ..... NOPE.

 

11- Now those people that can begin to walk to the nearest rumored area of safety , spreading disease as they go , sustaining frost bite injuries , dying , looting as they go for essential supplies and shelter as they see fit and basically overwhelming any smaller communities in their way until the lucky survivors make it to the next safe area . Only to then begin to overwhelm those functioning services , crime starts to skyrocket , at which point I (meaning DEEP STATE) then pulls the plug on just the electric grid . Now the equipment is just fine , just switched off , infrastructure still intact and all vehicles still functioning . The next mass migration now begins again just less then a week after it started.

 

12- OH DEAR GOD NOW WHAT ?!?!

It's simple , so simple that we already know what happens next.

One by one cities fall , many will start turning away the hordes of refugees in attempts to save their own populations and desperately running low supplies . Mass riots begin to break out all over the country , the Communists will use this time to rally support to their side promising a fairer system under their leadership, many flock to them but die in the process as they no longer can produce anything only consume . It is now only the end of January , how many more months to go before one-third to half of the overall population will have died ?

Any spring field crops that make it to harvest without being destroyed like this past year will still take from April/May/June to plant and harvest around Aug/Sep , and that does not count processing and transportation .

Now how many Americans are dead ?

 

Now how easy will it be to start kick starting the globalists NEW WORLD ORDER now that America is finally at last on par with the majority of the world and can start rebuilding the way that they want too ?

 

All without no Chinese or Russian invading , except maybe Ukrainian troops invited by the Democrats to render aid and security to certain coastal cities and to secure critical infrastructure and crops. 

And then China and Russia.....

 

Nine months is all that it would take to accomplish this , so what makes you think that the LEFT would actually be happy to live contently and in peace in their perfect little Communist States , knowing all the time that we are just across a few newly created borders putting their system to shame ? How on Earth could they ever feel the joy springing forth from inside of them when they all sang together the Hymn of the United Nations , while knowing that they could just have the whole country under their rule in just  ...........nine months.

 

 

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@ Pastor Mike  I am exhausted but I would like to propose another scenario that I feel is likely in such a scenario as you outlined in the start of your post when my brain is more suited for red/blue war planning.

However, I would like to point out a few things both overall from the thread and what I have noticed in similar conversations. 

 

1. I think our biggest threat will be china, and at first it wont be the CCP military forces, in fact I believe this part is already in full swing. about 1/5th of chinas exports go to the United states, look at your phone, television, hand tools, general goods, etc. How much of it is from China? and most of the other stuff is made from parts and components from China. Imagine what happens when all of this goes away and the small surplus we do have disappears. without military force they could seriously compromise our nation, Then send in the military IF they manage to get naval support from other countries. otherwise a invasion is highly unlikely due to them not being able to project much naval force and even that wouldnt be able to sustain operations across the Pacific.

2. police and law enforcement will overall not abandon their beliefs, families and friends because some crack pot in government says so. There is no metamorphosis after being discharged that makes their loyalty change from the state to the red boned american populace. This leaves a split military force and many whom might stay would be torn. My platoon actually discussed what would happen if something like this happened and we decided that the officer(s) would be shot (if practical) for demanding us to become traitors and we would defect with as much equipment and gear as possible and move into a less populated area. 

 

3. a split of the country would never succeed and would definitely cause a conflict due to continued differences in how it should be handled, also it spits on the memory of millions of patriotic Americans to tear apart the country that many of my brothers fought for and the civilian patriots who have worked to improve and sustain the country. on top of that the actual government style that we have strayed from was that of each state being independent but working together with the federal government meant to be smaller and due to the dictation of the states, a idea we adopted from the Iroquois nations and their federal system of governance. reverting back to states having the rights detailed in the constitution is much more likely to succeed than tearing the nation apart.


4. As the military and police would have torn itself apart, not only would their effect be diminished, but a bunch of goat herders with knock off kalishnikovs and rpk's, many with bolt action rifles have held our military off for 20 years. patriots wouldn't win in a month, but whoever fires the first shot will lose. no matter what the media tries to say, if SHTF actually happens, when the conflict is tearing apart neighborhoods the passives will either die off or rise up against the main aggressor (overall, people will still radicalize and go to their preferred ideology if they are brain dead enough)

 

5. The left is reproducing at below sustainment. This means as time goes on there will be less and less of them. in addition breaking the cycle Generation Z is actually more conservative than the preceding generation ( trend was each generation becomes more left. Also the migrants are a strange mix. Most are immoral leftist gun fodder, but some are more traditional mexicans, which are far more conservative and god fearing christian folk. Problem is they are overall staying in mexico while the trash comes up here. 

 

final point just as a thinking point politically, there is a difference between the left and liberals. Liberals stand for the United states, just disagree with how certain things should run. The left is not liberal and actually hates liberals, they are a bunch of crybaby communists, anarchists and sheeple listening to those who have corrupted and usurped our government. Just breathing target practice. 
 

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VERY NICE Ideological Gambler , thanks your input !!!

 

I'm very glad that you brought up the subject of States Rights vs. the Federal Government , that was already going to be my next stop .

 

THE OTHER WAY .....My preferred way .

 

Somehow , and I do mean "somehow" .... work with me here as I don't exactly know how but am open to others more detailed plans , we are able to force through some MASSIVE changes through a majority packed Republican Congress with the overwhelming re-election of Trump and by whatever means possible (accidents do happen , just ask the Clinton's) Trump is able to re-pack the Supreme Court with hardcore Constitutionalists Judges , who then re-hear the major cases that have succeeded in screwing this country up so bad over the years in a fast paced rapid fire order !

TURN THE CLOCK BACK TO THE 1920's level of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES , with standard basic civil rights for all regardless of which ONE OF THE TWO SEXES you belong to , religious beliefs EXCEPT FOR ISLAM AND SATANISM WHICH ARE PROVEN ENEMIES TO OUR WAY OF LIFE , and race WITH ZERO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ANYONE . You basically get where I'm going with this.

 

We strip out unions from the government workplace , return to were working for the government was a much lower paying job and frowned down upon instead of working in the private sector , no more Security Clearances for people to utilize for jobs in the private sector after they have left their government job where it was needed (last I heard Bill and Hillery still have theirs) , do away with any pensions other then military so as to motivate employees to learn new skills and then apply them to the private sector and as a result severely lessen the overall strength that the DEEP STATE partisan shills now have and control.  They did it to themselves so let them reap the whirlwind on this one !

 

Forbid the Federal Government from using any form of leverage to force social engineering compliance upon any one state as it is a violation of that State's personal independence . If a State fails and falls flat on it's face due to it's bad choices then it's citizens will either be forced to move out of it or turn on the public officials who caused it . NO MORE GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS !

No more Federal government covered student loans , no more Federal government funding of schools , colleges , universities , etc.

End ALL Federal government "work type training programs" where political indoctrination has been occurring being paid for by the taxpayer.

 

Anyone who works at overthrowing our REPUBLIC from the position of government service or private wealthy individuals shall be labeled a TRAITOR with only one punishment and that shall be death by hanging and aired for all to witness and take heed from.

 

All of this could be accomplished within the first six months of Trump's new term if the majority of us got behind him and demanded these changes .

 

There is of course more but I think that this would be a good starting point and easy enough for most people to agree with and get behind , minus the special interest groups who will throw a tantrum .

Ahhhhh the tears of Leftists washing our feces strewn city streets clean for all to walk on .... ?

 

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while I dont particularly care what sex or orientation one has, as i believe that is a part of civil liberties (and have personally met several trans people who are more patriotic and support the militia and libertarian/conservative points than most of the average populace) I agree that the drama and bullshit needs to cease and desist, Either you are a American and love this country or you can get lost. life dosent give a shit about ones feelings and all this wrapping in with socialist/communist/globalist doctrines needs to be stomped out like the plague it is. Unfortunately i dont think public hanging will happen, but I agree with most of your post. I suggest once California falls, fails and resets itself, reestablishing Alcatraz and dropping the bastards there with any escape attempts being handled by the coast guard and a hail of incoming fire. I think that will send a similar message without causing too much disruption, afterall escaping prisoners are shot all the time. we would have to rebuild it, but that creates jobs.

If one is no longer in a position or job where they are actively in need of their security clearance, it should be revoked on the spot. no exceptions. Minimize the government and return powers to the states as dictated in the constitution, all federal laws and oversight that are illegal/ do not follow to the letter that which is stated in the constitution should be rendered null and void, and the private prison system needs to be disbanded. Federal prisons, if voted to still exist should be approved by the state which holds it and should hold only the most severe crimes (including treason)

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I.D.  ..... It's always been my personal belief that whatever two (or more ?) consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of government's business . With that said , according to the last official military report on the entire alphabet (LGBTQ????) movement that all of them combined only constitute no more then about 2-3% of the entire population, the reason that they appear to have greater numbers is due to the corporate media pushing for more social engineering and adoption of said lifestyles.

Here is my question to all ...... Why should we upend our society as we once knew it for such a small percentage , and yet if you are in the majority of the population being heterosexual , why is it us who are loosing our Rights over theirs ?

 

Just food for thought on where I was coming from in my last post .

 

No nation can have a completely free-wheeling society , there is nothing to hold in common with the average citizen . Just look at Japan , they keep the Islamic society in check , meaning they do not allow them to carry on with bad behavior like in many other countries , yet they have Constitutional Monarchy and a civilized society.

 

Every society has accepted rules of behavior , what the majority of that society will tolerate and what it will not . Yet many of these same nations are considered civilized and respect the vast majority of Civil Rights .

But when 2-3% of the population has the power to take away my Right to Free Speech while they can spew out and out HATE SPEECH something is now drastically wrong .

It used to be that if a strange man wanted to discuss sexual positions and masturbation with a very small minor child would have resulted in a serious beat down by anybody nearby that heard such talk without the police arresting the one(s) performing said beating upon said pervert . But now that same little minority is saying that we have to embrace such bad behavior that is not accepted by the majority , in the name of "Tolerance" and that we just need to get over it and accept the change.

 

Hence why I say that there has to be some fast and hard rules to societal behavior in regards to Civil Rights. Who gets to decide that , the vast majority , or a very minor minority ?

 

Somethings to think about when you all are working out how we can rebuild this nation so that we don't put ourselves and future generations back in the same boat where we find ourselves now.

 

How about banning any form of Socialism/Marxism/Communism/Fascist doctrines from our newly rebuilt Republic ?

 

What reasonable limits need to be applied to a new Constitution and Bill of Rights that resonate what our Founding Fathers originally had in mind for this nation , minus the whole slavery thing . Remember that a compromise was made and that it was understood that eventually that evil practice would be phased out and that ALL MEN WOULD BE EQUAL .

 

Now here is another question for you all , that most people do not know, what was the original meaning of ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL , as the Founders understood it and as such wrote it to be so ???

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my understanding was that all men were created equal meant that no one is legitimately the ruler of any other man. Thus i would say that still resonates in a variety of ways in other aspects such as the militia command system here in the unorganised militia (i believe it was @ SecurityGuy42  who pointed this out) that here orders are followed not by order but by willingness. If this is not the original meaning I am further interested in studying if anyone has sources for me to scour.

My opinion is the same, no matter the number, so long as all is consensual and all adults then the state can go bother someone else and stay out of the bedroom. I would say more than 2-3% but no more than 8% and you see more in the coastal areas. Overall I think the debate on the adoption of alternate lifestyles should be rather libertarian, do what you want so long as you dont infringe on the rights and life of others. And so long as that is followed others should just not interact with others that they dont get along with. go about the day and find the people you get along with. 

I do like the Japanese model, albeit not fully. I will say the points that you made are exactly what I like about it. On the free speech vs hate speech thats where I always piss them off. How does one use their freedom of speech to advocate cutting the free speech of others. Its hipocracy and its proving the point of their 'rules for thee but not for me' mentality and self entitledness. as for the thing with the minors it should revert back to that, although my personal belief is that the swamp critters are a better fix for those who act that way towards children. 

I agree with the sentiment on not allowing Socialism/Communism/Marxism/Fascism and vehemently hate those concepts, but it is their right to THINK that way. however the Republic must stand so that should be where it ends. besides returning to the original way of governance would make those ideas impossible as they require large government to function (if you can call it that). The knowledge of these should be known so we can remember the absolute devastation they caused, but never allow the government to grow or morph to the point where those systems could ever be put into place.

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Great discourse there Scorpion !

 

Let me be clear , I firmly believe that ANYBODY can legally think whatever the heck they like regardless of it being legal , illegal , moral , immoral , whatever goes on in your head is your personnel business . It's when they take on a physical form that threatens the majority of others Rights , Freedom and personal safety that I take issue with.

Nothing in life is FAIR , somebody losses to some extent , so therefore it's not truly "FAIR" , that is just a cry baby attitude in not getting what one wants over another .

LIFE is not FAIR , JUSTICE is not BLIND , LAWS are not always JUST.... they ALL are a form of compromise when push comes to shove and need to be taught as much . Is it FAIR that the Clinton's have gotten away with so much criminal activity over the years while at the same time being in positions where they were to uphold the LAW .

NO ! 

Is it FAIR when methheads breaks into your house to commit theft and bodily harm only to be able to press charges against you and sue you in a court of LAW if they either injure themselves while doing so or you as the property owner injures them so as to stop the CRIMINAL INTENT and preserve life and property .

NO !

Neither are ... FAIR.

Neither are ....JUST.

But both have been upheld as being ....LEGAL , in one sense or another.

 

HYPOCRISY is the REAL CRIME , that is NOT FAIR , is NOT JUST , but can be ruled as LEGAL.

This is what I despise .

 

So on to what was once commonly taught since the founding of our Republic and back in the early 1980's when I was in Chicagoland public school Civics Classes.

 

https://www.civiced.org/resources/curriculum/911-and-the-constitution/terms-to-know

 

equality

“All Men are created equal”

The meaning of the idea that “All Men are created equal.” The Declaration of Independence states that among the “truths” that Americans hold to be “self-evident” is that “all Men are created equal.” What did Thomas Jefferson mean by this statement?
There are two ways that all “men”—all persons—might be “created equal.” One is that they are all by birth or naturally political equals. This means that no one is legitimately the ruler of others by birth and no one is by birth the subject of a ruler. The other is that human equality goes deeper than just political equality. In this sense, all people are considered of equal value and worth, or equal in the eyes of God. All are created moral equals.
 
In fact Jefferson intended both of these senses of natural equality. Late in life he stated that in composing the Declaration he was not stating original principles or ideas of his own. Instead, his writing “was intended to be an expression of the American mind.” Both senses of natural human equality were common beliefs of colonial Americans in 1776.
 
History of the idea of political equality. Ideas of natural political equality were developed in seventeenth-century England and exported to its colonies across the North Atlantic. They were the expressions of English republican thought by writers such as the so-called “Levellers” (1640s), republican political theorist Algernon Sidney (1623–1683), and (especially) John Locke in his Second Treatise (1690). All of these sources speak of natural human political equality flowing from their natural equality by birth. “Equals,” Sidney wrote, “can have no right [to rule] over each other.” Locke emphasized that political equality is an aspect of man’s natural equality. Jefferson cited English republican Richard Rumbold’s (1622–1685) graphic analogy that “none comes into the world with a saddle on his back, neither any booted and spurred to ride him.”  For these writers, since all are by nature political equals, legitimate government authority arises only by consent.
 
History of the idea of moral equality. The idea of the moral equality of human beings has more ancient origins. The equality and universal fraternity of humanity was a doctrine of the Stoic philosophers of the third century BC. These ideas were taken up and spread by Christianity, which held that each person has an immortal soul and that each person is equal in the sight of God. The Apostle Paul (5 AD–67) famously expressed this egalitarianism, saying, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). Centuries later, the Protestant Reformation deepened the idea of universal moral and political equality in the doctrine of the “priesthood of all believers,” which attacked church hierarchy, and in various aspects of self-rule in church government.
 
Equality and the American mind. In colonial America, where Christianity was already deeply established, the Great Awakening, a religious revival movement that swept the colonies from the 1730s to the 1760s (a Second Great Awakening would take place in the nineteenth century), helped spread the idea of universal moral human equality, including equality among social classes. By the eve of the Revolution, universal human equality was a common American idea.  It is little wonder that the Virginia Declaration of Rights—adopted on June 12, 1776 while Jefferson was working on his draft Declaration—asserted that “all men are by nature equally free and independent….”

 

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Please read the following which I re-posted here to aid in this discussion . This is what Commies , Lefties and most Democrats who still support that baby murdering for profit organization . This is why there will NOT ever be a peaceful separation .

 

 

http://blog.joehuffman.org/2018/02/22/alison-aires-thanks-for-sharing/#more-10035666

 

Claude Werner shared something posted by Alison Aires on Facebook (minor spelling errors corrected):

You *can* legislate culture. You just don’t have the guts to do it. Prohibition was half-assed. The war on drugs is half-assed. Let me tell you how you *actually* get guns banned.

You use the fucking data that the NSA has. You check membership in gun clubs, you check the surveillance footage to see who’s a regular at shooting ranges. You check the people who are associated with the NRA. You get yourself a good long list of the people in America who love guns.

Then at random, regular intervals, you do spot checks on them. Stop-and-Frisk them in the streets, get warrants and search their houses, monitor their online activities. Conduct raids and spot checks.

And when you inevitably catch these fuckers with banned material? You don’t haul them into a cushy prison. Once the gavel comes down, you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them. Make sure everyone sees. Make sure they get a good, hard look at the fate that awaits those that disobey the law.

Perform this ritual thrice a month or more for the length of a full year, and we see how many black markets people try to set up, how many Mafia members try to muscle in, with the threat of summary detention, with the threat of public execution.

And if people rebel? If people get angry and erupt into civil war? Then you put them down. I do not care if they are MAGA NRA members or poor black people trying to scrape a living. Those who violate the law have no place in civilized society.

Perform things as I lay out, and I guarantee you that America will be free of guns in a year’s time. Except you won’t because you pussies that care more about civil liberties than properly enforcing legislation.

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I’d like to thank Alison for sharing. I’ll do my best to make sure her suggestions for “enforcing legislation” is taken into consideration at her trial for violations of 18 USC 241.

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37 minutes ago, Pastor Mike said:

Please read the following which I re-posted here to aid in this discussion . This is what Commies , Lefties and most Democrats who still support that baby murdering for profit organization . This is why there will NOT ever be a peaceful separation .

 

 

http://blog.joehuffman.org/2018/02/22/alison-aires-thanks-for-sharing/#more-10035666

 

Claude Werner shared something posted by Alison Aires on Facebook (minor spelling errors corrected):

You *can* legislate culture. You just don’t have the guts to do it. Prohibition was half-assed. The war on drugs is half-assed. Let me tell you how you *actually* get guns banned.

You use the fucking data that the NSA has. You check membership in gun clubs, you check the surveillance footage to see who’s a regular at shooting ranges. You check the people who are associated with the NRA. You get yourself a good long list of the people in America who love guns.

Then at random, regular intervals, you do spot checks on them. Stop-and-Frisk them in the streets, get warrants and search their houses, monitor their online activities. Conduct raids and spot checks.

And when you inevitably catch these fuckers with banned material? You don’t haul them into a cushy prison. Once the gavel comes down, you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them. Make sure everyone sees. Make sure they get a good, hard look at the fate that awaits those that disobey the law.

Perform this ritual thrice a month or more for the length of a full year, and we see how many black markets people try to set up, how many Mafia members try to muscle in, with the threat of summary detention, with the threat of public execution.

And if people rebel? If people get angry and erupt into civil war? Then you put them down. I do not care if they are MAGA NRA members or poor black people trying to scrape a living. Those who violate the law have no place in civilized society.

Perform things as I lay out, and I guarantee you that America will be free of guns in a year’s time. Except you won’t because you pussies that care more about civil liberties than properly enforcing legislation.

AlisonAiries0AlisonAiries1AlisonAiries2

I’d like to thank Alison for sharing. I’ll do my best to make sure her suggestions for “enforcing legislation” is taken into consideration at her trial for violations of 18 USC 241.

 

Allison Airies, Patriots are using this exact same data and information to keep an eye on you for when it becomes time to hang traitors to the United States in the public squares.  Thanks for letting them know who you are.  

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It is very unfortunate that we live in a Society were many do not even know what the Constitution is, why it was created, what are your amendment rights. I do not believe in violence and i believe that many people can agree that learning History of the world as well as the Common Law of the land would be beneficial for everyone. Harming people is never the answer. 

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