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My husband watches a lot of videos on YouTube and some are entertaining, but some are downright scary. I watched one recently made by a man defending the Electoral College because he lives in flyover country. He made a lot of sense and clearly understands why the Founding Fathers wrote it into the Constitution. The rants coming from the Democrats running for office clearly show that none of them studied civics in school. They seem to think that if you don’t live in large cities on the coasts, your vote shouldn’t count.

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1 hour ago, RevRifleman said:

Another fine 'vote your problems away' article.  

 

Deja vu.  Pretty sure I've heard this speech before... many times.  I'm still waiting for it to work.

yeah, there is a point where it just doesnt work anymore, we are already to far gone. We are just delaying the inevitable.

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Love your optimism BUT I have voted conservative for decades, it has only gotten worse. In fact, when "my guy" got elected, it never mattered because the left wing agenda never really slowed significantly. Now we are at a crossroads. We can roll along, ignore that our children will bear the brunt of our inaction (we are still a majority and are already told not to reproduce for it is racist, people wishing we were dead because whiteness and white racism can only be alleviated by a lack of white people, being told to sit down and shut up In politics for being white or Christian or male) or we can push back. I pray its not war for it is the worst of all scenarios but it sure as hell isnt voting. Demographics has eliminated voting as a possibility. The left has imported and bribed, with handouts, their way to a one party system. Does anyone here (even you federal agents monitoring this site) think that our children will have any political destiny to determine how they will live their lives? Does anyone here really think that our kids have a shot in hell of not being marginalized in future state America when the leftists get their way?

 

I pray for the peaceful option. I hope that God will bless us with one. 

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What is not being mentioned here is this: the long-term future for America is bleak because the American voting public is moving Left.  The Left will have a guaranteed permanent majority within a decade or two.

This majority will be concentrated in the big cities, among the young, and in the non-white population.

 

The two-senators per state rule will slow this down, as will the electoral college arrangement for choosing Presidents. Republicans, who are good at state-level politics, will continue to use their control of state legislatures to gerrymander Congressional districts, and this will help slow down the Leftist tide.  So will the longevity of Supreme Court justices, and other Federal judges appointed by conservative Presidents. (But Trump will  probably be the last one of those.)  But it cannot be stopped forever.

 

And when the Left get real power, they will use it to speed up the process.  Remember how FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court when it kept ruling against him. If the Left get the Presidency and both houses of Congress, they will use this to make their majority a super-majority, and permanent.  (See the post 'How the Enemy is Thinking', elsewhere.)

 

So, what to do?

 

There is only one logical solution to preserving liberty: we must work towards a peaceful separation of those areas of America -- roughly, the 'Red States' or 'Red Counties' -- where people still believe in the ideals of the original American Republic.  (Note that the 'Red States' are shrinking. Texas will go Blue soon, followed by others.)

 

There is much to be discussed about how this might be achieved.  No one knows the future, although it's pretty safe to predict that it is likely to be rocky: the extreme economic inequality in America will make a future depression very problematic; China will inevitably push the US into Number Two spot in the world -- perhaps with an accompanying military humiliation.  And the Left will continue to erode normalcy and traditional American values.

 

We don't know what will happen in the future that might make the idea of a peaceful separation acceptable to large numbers of people who are not on the Right.  (If it isn't, it's unlikely to happen.)

 

But ... what will absolutely lead to certain defeat would be any sort of armed confrontation with any level of the American government, short of a complete breakdown of society. So long as the ruling party has democratic legitimacy, it will be obeyed by the police and the military. The smart people on the Left are perfectly aware that their supporters would be swiftly annihilated should they attack American patriots. So they hope to get the police and military to do it.  They hope for Ruby Ridges and Wacos on a mass scale.   (And a few thoughtless idiots and probably some infiltrators within the militia movement are doing what they can to bring this on.)

 

What is needed is widespread discussion among patriots about this idea, followed by a campaign to convince the broad middle  -- who are neither conservatives nor liberals --  that the right of people to be governed by consent implies the right to separate from  a state to which they no longer give their consent. 

 

We have to make the case.   I would argue it more or less along these lines:

 
 

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

 

This will not achieved by waving around an AR15, as useful as those tools are.  The majority of Americans must be convinced that a peaceful separation, letting Progressive America pursue its socialist, post-American agenda without obstruction, is the least worst path that America can follow.   Then, of course, if there is a violent attempt to obstruct the democratic will of the majority, the weapon of criticism may well be replaced by the criticism of weapons.

 

 

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A few random thoughts, in no particular order, to throw into the mix...

 

"Political evolution" doesn't go backward, only moves forward; in our case, toward the left and away from the Constitution.[

If there is a "civil dissolution" it's likely to look more as a checkerboard, than a "dividing line" between factions.

Large cities may control the politics by virtue of large populations, but they are nothing more than death camps if they are cut off from sources of food (shipped in fresh daily) for any length of time.  

If there's a total complete collapse (grid down, EMP, back to dark ages) even gold and silver won't be worth too much.  It's only good for an economic crash where a functioning system remains.

The military doesn't have the resources to enforce "martial law" over many large areas (states/cities) at the same time.

There is strength in numbers; little can be accomplished by lone wolves.

People are "social animals" who function better in groups.

As the United States of America, we've been the sole superpower for roughly 30 years... there's only one direction to go from the top.

 

I'm in the process of reading "The Fate of Empires" by Sir John Glubb.  You can find it online for an interesting free read.

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Everything you say is true, but ... no one knows the future.  However, I don't think that movement to the Left is

inevitable, because ... socialism doesn't work. They took power in Russia, they took power in China, in Vietnam,  conquered

Eastern Europe ... in 1985 they looked invulnerable, and many high-powered academics were willing to say so, to scoff at

the naive Reagan demand that the Russians "tear down this wall". 

 

Socialism may have its problems, said the leading economic textbook writer of the day, Paul Samuelson, but it also has great strengths.

[https://www.econlib.org/archives/2009/12/why_were_americ.html ]

 

But it collapsed.  Addle-brained millenials may use the word 'socialism' today, but no one thinks that a planned centralized economy will produce

anything but misery.   We can go forward.   In the US, our task in the next period is to preserve liberty.  It's going to be tricky. But it can be done.

 

If there is a real SHTF situation,  it could develop in a dozen different ways. No one knows the future.

 

The unpredictable is the accident of human personality.  The US was especially blessed in having such a galaxy of talent in the late 18th Century to

both carry out the Revolution, and then to construct a viable Republic

.

We lucked out again with Lincoln, then had bad luck thanks to John Wilkes Booth. We lucked out with WInston Churchill -- had that taxi which hit

him in New York CIty in the early thirties been going a bit faster ...the British might have done a deal with Hitler, allowing him to conquer the Soviet

Union before returning to finish them off. 

 

If Donald Trump had a different personality,  less impulsive, less egotistical, more cold and calculating -- a conservative Lenin  -- we would -- in my opinion -- be in a much better place than we are now.

Okay, you go to war with the army you've got -- I don't want to get into an argument about Mr Trump here.

 

So we don't know how the future is going to unfold.  If there is a peaceful separation, it unfortunately won't be along clean lines -- some states overwhelmingly

Red, others totally Blue, so we can just draw neat boundaries.  (It would be nice if people were all moving to the states where the majority had their politics -- self-segregating --

but as the Blue states decline, their voters flee to the Red states and infect them.  (They're ruining California -- California, the nearest thing to Paradise on earth!!! -- and now

the people who voted the Ruiners into power aremoving to Texas, so that they can ruin it too.)

 

So we don't know how it will play out.  Just keep your powder dry. 

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5 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Everything you say is true, but ... no one knows the future.  However, I don't think that movement to the Left is

inevitable, because ... socialism doesn't work. They took power in Russia, they took power in China, in Vietnam,  conquered

Eastern Europe ... in 1985 they looked invulnerable, and many high-powered academics were willing to say so, to scoff at

the naive Reagan demand that the Russians "tear down this wall". 

 

Socialism may have its problems, said the leading economic textbook writer of the day, Paul Samuelson, but it also has great strengths.

[https://www.econlib.org/archives/2009/12/why_were_americ.html ]

 

But it collapsed.  Addle-brained millenials may use the word 'socialism' today, but no one thinks that a planned centralized economy will produce

anything but misery.   We can go forward.   In the US, our task in the next period is to preserve liberty.  It's going to be tricky. But it can be done.

 

If there is a real SHTF situation,  it could develop in a dozen different ways. No one knows the future.

 

The unpredictable is the accident of human personality.  The US was especially blessed in having such a galaxy of talent in the late 18th Century to

both carry out the Revolution, and then to construct a viable Republic

.

We lucked out again with Lincoln, then had bad luck thanks to John Wilkes Booth. We lucked out with WInston Churchill -- had that taxi which hit

him in New York CIty in the early thirties been going a bit faster ...the British might have done a deal with Hitler, allowing him to conquer the Soviet

Union before returning to finish them off. 

 

If Donald Trump had a different personality,  less impulsive, less egotistical, more cold and calculating -- a conservative Lenin  -- we would -- in my opinion -- be in a much better place than we are now.

Okay, you go to war with the army you've got -- I don't want to get into an argument about Mr Trump here.

 

So we don't know how the future is going to unfold.  If there is a peaceful separation, it unfortunately won't be along clean lines -- some states overwhelmingly

Red, others totally Blue, so we can just draw neat boundaries.  (It would be nice if people were all moving to the states where the majority had their politics -- self-segregating --

but as the Blue states decline, their voters flee to the Red states and infect them.  (They're ruining California -- California, the nearest thing to Paradise on earth!!! -- and now

the people who voted the Ruiners into power aremoving to Texas, so that they can ruin it too.)

 

So we don't know how it will play out.  Just keep your powder dry. 

I'm not trying to start trouble, honest, and yes most communist countries have been a flop.  BUT China is a "new revised" example of communism.  They have managed to blend some free market ideas with the "tried and true" principles… and they are eating our lunch right now.  True enough it's our greed, and their industrial espionage of course, that sold them the technology to be #2 in the world, but here they are, none the less.  So to say communism doesn't work is not exactly correct.  Here's a little known fact: in the old Soviet Union, everyone was required to have a job; so you would see 2-3 older women sweeping the sidewalk in front of the public rest rooms, but they had a job.  So you see, even in the shining example of Marxism, everybody had to earn their way. 

 

My only real point here is that you cannot stop "progress" (I use that term advisedly) and the more years pass, the further from our "point of origin" our founding principles, we get.  The direction we go is being determined right now (and for the last 30 years) by the educational system and leaders: good bad or indifferent, that we have/are/will place into power.

 

So, the … mental conditioning? of our people, combined with the influx of "new arrivals" (legal or otherwise) will have a big impact on our political climate in the very near future, as we boomers pass from the scene.  I'm really not very optimistic about our future, but then I don't have too many years left either.  That is why the Blue Infection will continue to spread.  I'd suggest educating every young person that will listen, about the ideals our country was founded upon and what it was meant to be (a land of opportunity, not handouts) as a counterweight to the utopian ideals being doled out by educators today.

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Please explain your point...

2 hours ago, KatRosiland18 said:

I been reading some comments and I cant help but think damn this  fantasy is so amusing its like reading a humor novel. As some of it is speaking from a childs point of view.

 

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This message is aimed  directly to Claimbo… and anybody else who has a "hit list" of elected officials.  Get off this list; you are a subversive anti-American.  Our Founding Fathers set up a government that has mechanisms in it to correct itself from "wrong headedness".  If that doesn't suit you, then you should leave and find another country where violence is the approved form of government.   Yes, there's even a provision in the constitution that provides for armed defense of our form of government, should it be necessary... but I assure that gangland-style "hit lists" ain't it.

 

If nobody else will speak out, I will.  And if the people on this forum do support such thinking; I'm out.

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@ Claimbo  Hit list post removed. We don't have many rules on this site. The rules are in place to protect you and the site. https://www.mymilitia.com/terms/

 

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13 minutes ago, John Last said:

This message is aimed  directly to Claimbo… and anybody else who has a "hit list" of elected officials.  Get off this list; you are a subversive anti-American.  Our Founding Fathers set up a government that has mechanisms in it to correct itself from "wrong headedness".  If that doesn't suit you, then you should leave and find another country where violence is the approved form of government.   Yes, there's even a provision in the constitution that provides for armed defense of our form of government, should it be necessary... but I assure that gangland-style "hit lists" ain't it.

 

If nobody else will speak out, I will.  And if the people on this forum do support such thinking; I'm out.

You are exactly right , he posted the same thing on another thread and we already deleted it. Please use the report function so we don't miss this stuff ?

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6 minutes ago, Claimbo said:

I appreciate your thoughts, but I have to ask, have you read the constitution? If you have you know our right to defeat tyranny is in there. I also suggest reading the federalist papers. We are a hair away from losing our republic. If your scared over how someone sees whats happening, maybe you shouldn't be here. John, are you prepared to do what is needed or sit on the side? No one called for an over throw of the government. If you read closely, the note called for our friends in those areas to do what they could to make change. Does that scare you? Is it alright when there is a hit list put out on the media about people we support? I would suggest less editing and removing and more discussion about whats happening. If your afraid of something, do something to protect yourself. For me, Im not afraid of who might be listening. Good luck to you.

We are not afraid either have you seen my signature?

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Law-abiding American citizens who are participating in legal activities shall never be fearful of government reprisal.

But where there is smoke there is fire it don't matter where you are what site you are on, you cannot say/post them things.

 

Drop it, move on... no one wants to be excommunicado. Shutting this one down.

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