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National Convention of States - Law Enforcement, Veterans, Soldiers, Militias  

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  1. 1. As militia, law enforcement, veterans, soldiers, would you agree to a national meeting to discuss the Legal, Constitutional, and, be it justified by a majority under our laws, Enforcement of our Laws on those in Washington as discussed in this Article?

    • Yes
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    • No
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  2. 2. If you answered, yes, to the prior, would you agree to contact your local militias, veterans, soldiers in your state and begin the discussion of a national meeting?

    • Yes
      4
    • No
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    • Did not Answer 'Yes' to the Prior Question.
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  3. 3. If a resolution was passed by the majority in this national meeting, would you be willing to help enforce the resolution after proper notifications, letter delivery, dates,and times were set?

    • Yes
      4
    • No
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First, let me state, what we are watching unfold is civil war, and if this occurs, you stand to lose your status as a country, economy, livelihoods, and having seen war, this is not preferable.  How do you avoid this?  The answer is enforcement of our laws.  I have been involved in a petition I will be taking to court in April, where for the first time, these will not be using a lawyer, or with any regard for law.  We don't have law.  I wish to establish why we don't have law and provide a few legal codes to everybody that show where we must go and what must be done to correct the issue, but lawfully, morally, and to avoid a catastrophe.

 

The biggest legal error this evil element in our nation has made is thru the election theft.  What I have been able to establish is about twelve million votes, which it only took about three million votes to hand the house of representatives over to these really evil people.  In this case one must go to Title 18 USC 5.  There are three legal implications to this:

1.  Election theft on this scale is the installation of a fiat government over the elected.  This is a declaration of war.  Because it was not formally declared it violates formal declarations of war as laid out in the Geneva Conventions.

2.  Any legislation written is rendered irrelevant, mute, can't be validated as the will of the people written by elected individuals.  Also, those behind the theft, if they will steal elections, what is their intent?  What laws will they write?  The worse implication is because you can't validate the lower laws as authentic, any case prosecuted, technically, is invalid, not legit until you establish what law is legit what is not.  

3.  In our system of government, taking the right of choice of one hundred million Americans removes any obligation to conform to the laws that are written, most are simply following their moral conscience.

 

Fortunately, in this country we have a redundancy, it's the Constitution.  Once you establish the legislation's as crimes, I know I can cite at least 127 legislation's that are crimes against our highest laws, then you have a choice.  You must hold the criminals accountable, or your simply continue on course.  I will make this statement to our law enforcement as there are many good men and women in law enforcement,  When you perpetuate the abuses of the crimes in legislation against the American people, you are as guilty as those that have committed the crimes.  This is the issue the Germans faced from 1936 to 1945.  The laws were hijacked and the statement, "I was following orders." was the reasoning behind mass atrocities.  Obviously, as a law enforcement officer, who loves our country, you can not Aid and Abet these legislation any longer under Title 18 USC 2.  What is the answer?  Well, the reason for inaction is fear.  Lower courts, especially one I can mention, have known a long time, these are crimes, but they continue because of fear.  People, individually will put their families, money, work, careers above moral duty and lawful duty at times so they are not singled out, thrown in jail, stripped and plastered a criminal.  Your position is tough.  This article is meant to give a direct answer to your issue and how we resolve the deep concerns confronting us without a full out conflict.

 

Militias, the supreme court is not the central authority on natural law.  Centralization is against our bedrock principles.  Constitution and natural law go hand in hand at all levels.  Consider, the laws have been hijacked, what else have they hijacked.  Your way out is in early attestations of our founding fathers and people after them.  Militias answer to the people in their state, not the President.  The President is government, the militia is the peoples defense, to be called up to age 45.  They do not require a order to fight from a government, only the peoples consent or a precedent.  The precedent, for the first time in history is here, people need your defense.  What I will propose in this is the way to avoid full scale conflict, bring back the rule of law, and begin to recede the problem as the problem is at the top therefor it must be dealt with there.

 

Veterans, I would remind you, once a soldier always a soldier.  Retirement is a status.  You can be recalled for life, this was your commitment in a event where every last man is required.  You are always sworn to defend this nation under Title 5 USC 3331.

 

These being said, the issue is enforcement of our laws and holding those responsible accountable.  I am certain we can all shoot names out of people at the top in Washington to which there must be a enforcement of our laws.  Violations of Oath, Inciting Civil Unrest, Crimes against the American People, Levying war against the United States, Treason, Sedition, Espionage, Blackmail, Murder.  The issue is when you have a enemy inside that has compromised so much of our separated powers and are running a government parallel to ours, then you have serious unity issues, enforcement issues, fear.

 

I am hereby proposing a solution that must occur soon, a nationwide meeting of all Militias, Veterans, Law Enforcement in a location selected to discuss the legal, Constitutional ramifications and a united effort to hold these people accountable.  No man is a island.  In my study of law, ultimately under these conditions it falls to the people to fix the problem.  The answer is very simple, a legal, agreed on, organized, unified agreement to indict, arrest, have fair and impartial hearings, investigations by the people.  This must come from everybody all at once, in agreement, with proper rules and formalities being agreed on.  This is not a rebellion but a reform.  I would direct you to The Articles of Revolution maintained by thirty-five states granting rights to the people, God given to come together and reform their government at any time.  A centralized meeting removes dis-information, it allows a agreement by vote to be reached, a proper drafting of agreed on documents, who must be held accountable, what actions must be taken.  My personal recommendation is that the overall democratic party be declared as criminals, put on wanted lists, and a move by all peoples, law enforcement together to arrest them and begin the process of enforcing what is already in our highest laws and we know to be correct.  Now, yes, knowing this is coming, I am certain many will be on flights out, but the principal is, if you deal with the top, then the message will disseminate to the lower states and the centralized, criminal effort is broken and we can begin the process state to state of arresting those in power and holding them accountable, but you must hold the highest accountable.  This is our way under law, and the legal precedents and validity are there, but, it can not be one person.

 

This was also the example our forefathers set prior to engaging the British in 1776.  It's the right thing to do, not the preferable.  Therefor, I am proposing a poll on who would agree to this meeting and I am prepared to centralize coordinate and I will give funds from my VA back pay, and I will take donations.  If you agree to this, it falls on you to call your local Miltias, veterans, soldiers, law enforcement and begin bringing them on board with a national meeting.  I believe we can all agree, the issue is accountability of those in power who are clearly in violation of law, with intentions that are clearly to overthrow a nation.  I believe we can all agree that there is a level of compromise, paralyzing fear, lack of unity and that together this dispels fear, and there is precedent for those of us with experience, oaths to begin the process of enforcing our laws that our compromised systems can't and wont because of the internal conflict.  I believe we can agree it is the people that fix this and if we hold the people in Washington responsible, validly, under our laws, together as the people, we can avoid what they are trying to achieve.  The consequences of Civil War, we will lose our status, our economy, millions will perish and all it really would take is some wide spread arrests at the top, enforcement and some dedication.  Courage will dispel fear, you might have some resistance, some conflict, but overall, this can be achieved if we all agree on just these simple things and resolve a follow thru, properly.

 

A poll is attached to this article, please take a moment to review and answer.  If you wish to contact your militias, please be aware there is also Oath Keepers, The Thirteen Percenters, be speaking with soldiers as most are pretty occupied, bear in mind your veterans, young and old especially.   Many old veterans absolutely are in agreement with this I know a number of them.  I will be looking for emails from people at the following:

 

[email protected]

 

God Bless!

 

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NEVER SUPPORT THE CONVENTION OF STATES!!!!  It is a Constitutional Convention and they can change the entire US Constitution with a simple majority vote.  And the people and groups that have been pushing this from behind the scenes since Bush was in office have admitted they already have the delegates selected for every state.  And there isn't a single Conservative, libertarian, Constitutionalist, or even Republican in the group.  They admitted ALL the delegates are leftists, socialists, communists, and down right authoritarians.  You are being duped if you go along with this.  Never forget that it was a simple Convention Of States that was called to amend the Articles of Confederation which resulted in them scrapping the whole thing and creating the US Constitution.  Now imagine that same situation but this time filled with SJW LGBTQ+ leftists.

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6 minutes ago, Hammer3sf said:

NEVER SUPPORT THE CONVENTION OF STATES!!!!  It is a Constitutional Convention and they can change the entire US Constitution with a simple majority vote.  And the people and groups that have been pushing this from behind the scenes since Bush was in office have admitted they already have the delegates selected for every state.  And there isn't a single Conservative, libertarian, Constitutionalist, or even Republican in the group.  They admitted ALL the delegates are leftists, socialists, communists, and down right authoritarians.  You are being duped if you go along with this.  Never forget that it was a simple Convention Of States that was called to amend the Articles of Confederation which resulted in them scrapping the whole thing and creating the US Constitution.  Now imagine that same situation but this time filled with SJW LGBTQ+ leftists.

It's not a conventions of states.  Hmm, probably should make that clear.  It's a convention of those sworn to oath, our Constitution.  Apparently that isn't clear.  A convention of states only occurs when 2/3rd of all states legislatures agree to hold one.  This is a convention of the American People in a Right to Reform under the Articles of Revolution held by the majority of thirty five states, guaranteed by our Declaration of Indepdendence when abuses, or times like these justify such that the people can come together and reform or abolish government,  This is a reform issue, a convention to hold accountable those that must be in unison and overturn the compromise from within.  Thanks for clarifying, I will edit and make it clear.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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We have the numbers which will gives us the power to make change. We need to Wake Up Get Up Stand Up. With that said everyone needs to be careful. Talk about stuff, learn. Do not trust what you read on the internet. So much of it is government propaganda. Always ask questions. Go with your gut feeling. 

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On 12/15/2019 at 1:23 PM, I3DI said:

It's not a conventions of states.  Hmm, probably should make that clear.  It's a convention of those sworn to oath, our Constitution.  Apparently that isn't clear.  A convention of states only occurs when 2/3rd of all states legislatures agree to hold one.  This is a convention of the American People in a Right to Reform under the Articles of Revolution held by the majority of thirty five states, guaranteed by our Declaration of Indepdendence when abuses, or times like these justify such that the people can come together and reform or abolish government,  This is a reform issue, a convention to hold accountable those that must be in unison and overturn the compromise from within.  Thanks for clarifying, I will edit and make it clear.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

After reading through your OP, it's clear this is not the COS promoted by the likes of M. Levin, Hannity and others. I like your concept, but might recommend calling it something else to reduce confusing the issue.

 

I agree with your proposal and believe this process will end up our only choice to right the ship. I do think that our POTUS would support this movement and not be an obstacle. That is, as long as it is done the correct, Constitutional way. The We the People do hold the power and completely within our rights to put down an out-of-control tyrannical government. Actually, it's not just our right, it's our responsibility!

 

The key to success, is having those thoroughly versed in the U.S. Constitution guiding the process. It's critical. Hope you have a few knowledgeable people lined up for this worthy goal. Please keep us posted on the progress.

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15 minutes ago, USNpatriot said:

After reading through your OP, it's clear this is not the COS promoted by the likes of M. Levin, Hannity and others. I like your concept, but might recommend calling it something else to reduce confusing the issue.

 

I agree with your proposal and believe this process will end up our only choice to right the ship. I do think that our POTUS would support this movement and not be an obstacle. That is, as long as it is done the correct, Constitutional way. The We the People do hold the power and completely within our rights to put down an out-of-control tyrannical government. Actually, it's not just our right, it's our responsibility!

 

The key to success, is having those thoroughly versed in the U.S. Constitution guiding the process. It's critical. Hope you have a few knowledgeable people lined up for this worthy goal. Please keep us posted on the progress.

I will.  This has gotten complicated with Virginia.  The U.N. is being deployed already against the people.  This is a violation of the Sovereignty Guarantee of the United States.  Also, most of this falls under military jurisdiction, so why hasn't the military picked these people up?  This is deeply concerning.  I can't be the only one pushing this convention, people need to be promoting this.  This may happen a different way.  Ultimately what Virginia has done is bust the bubble on this but now they need to follow thru.  Just one state initiating the peoples authority under these conditions sends a message to other states.

 

I am still preparing the legal codes and letters.  I'll keep you up to date.  May do it in Virginia.

 

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I have a few trusted links for you that contain important information regarding the Virginia issue and another that has many really smart folks that have been following closely the government circus.

 

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-virginia-increases-corrections-budget-in-preparation-for-arrests-of-gun-owners-police-officers/

 

The Last Refuse;
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

 

FYI- The lawyer representing Gen. Flynn against a corrupt government it a treeper. The blog author, Sundance, is a top notch investigative thinker and has been way out ahead on insights to the attacks on our great country. Every comment to articles are top notch and informative. Hope everyone will check them out.

 

PS; Haven't seen info on UN troops 'deployed' yet. Have a link? The people at law enforcement today would be the first to report this I would think.

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The key fact to be determined here is this:  were twelve million fraudulent votes cast?  I would be very very keen to see the evidence for this.

 

Now ... let's assume that it's true -- 12 million fraudulent votes.  That means, presumably, that the majority of American people -- the true, non-fraudulent votes --

voted for the conservative candidates last year, but that the leftists got in fraudulently. 

 

Now -- assuming this is true -- the next step is to convince the majority that they have been cheated. 

 

Because right now, they don't believe it.  Do not confuse what you and your friends think, for what the majority -- even the majority of patriots --think.

 

So the first step is to convince the cheated majority that they were cheated.

 

If this doesn't happen, than any gathering of people to arrest Congress or whatever will be seen by the majority of Americans -- by all those who voted Democrat and by

most of those who voted Republican -- as a crazy attempt at a coup.  And the result will be a disastrous setback for the patriots.

 

So first we must see the evidence about the twelve million fraudulent votes.

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The key fact to be determined here is this:  were twelve million fraudulent votes cast?  I would be very very keen to see the evidence for this.

 

Now ... let's assume that it's true -- 12 million fraudulent votes.  That means, presumably, that the majority of American people -- the true, non-fraudulent votes --

voted for the conservative candidates last year, but that the leftists got in fraudulently. 

 

Now -- assuming this is true -- the next step is to convince the majority that they have been cheated. 

 

Because right now, they don't believe it.  Do not confuse what you and your friends think, for what the majority -- even the majority of patriots --think.

 

So the first step is to convince the cheated majority that they were cheated.

 

If this doesn't happen, than any gathering of people to arrest Congress or whatever will be seen by the majority of Americans -- by all those who voted Democrat and by

most of those who voted Republican -- as a crazy attempt at a coup.  And the result will be a disastrous setback for the patriots.

 

So first we must see the evidence about the twelve million fraudulent votes.

    Well, you can go to banned.video.  Might have to do some searching, however you have video testimony given before the Senate by a behavioral specialist in the field for 40 years that using techniques of phsyscology in the behavioral field the range of votes influenced in the 2016 election was at minimum 2.5 million, at best 10.5 million.  That's a very hard to determine way, just like the 2020 election, what is the effect of cancelling every conservative, christian, and republican account from Google, and Social Media Platform Facebook?  Obviously this has a drastic impact, which is why they are doing it.

 

     Your more visual evidence is in the Sanctuary cities right now, the issuing of drivers license and the removal of ID card requirements.  This is what happened in Virginia.  The governor and the officials are not the majority.  They established Sanctuary Cities, gave them drivers license and pointed them at the voters booth.  Now, it's established 2.5 million votes is being hijacked by Google each election, it only takes 3,000,000 for the house of representatives.  Interesting that Congress is what was overturned in the last election when you have such a huge approval on Trump, higher then any president in history in this part of their presidency.  So high, the numbers don't match.

 

   You have refusal to hand over private voter data.  I wonder why?  Nothing to hide, what is the problem?

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On 12/27/2019 at 3:25 PM, USNpatriot said:

I have a few trusted links for you that contain important information regarding the Virginia issue and another that has many really smart folks that have been following closely the government circus.

 

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-virginia-increases-corrections-budget-in-preparation-for-arrests-of-gun-owners-police-officers/

 

The Last Refuse;
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

 

FYI- The lawyer representing Gen. Flynn against a corrupt government it a treeper. The blog author, Sundance, is a top notch investigative thinker and has been way out ahead on insights to the attacks on our great country. Every comment to articles are top notch and informative. Hope everyone will check them out.

 

PS; Haven't seen info on UN troops 'deployed' yet. Have a link? The people at law enforcement today would be the first to report this I would think.

You aren't going to do anything but set a target on the 20th with your mass gathering in Richmond.  If everyone is there, just bust down the state house and put them under lock and key if you know they are there.  That's really what should happen if you get into Richmond in mass.  This is very clear, and you can't allow them to push a shooting war.  Need to shut them down, period and send a message.  They have violated so many Constitutional laws, it's unthinkable.  This is extrajudicial gun legislation and plainly, there should be no regulation anyways.  "Exceptions" made by the Supreme court are a legislative function not a administrative one and that basically amends the rights without having to go thru Article V.  Legislative functions are not granted to the Judiciary.  They may only administrate, so they don't even have Constitutional rights to really settle issues between any separated power of government, though they say they do.  This is how they have hijacked the nation and gotten this far.

 

I am sending out the Convention Letters to All 50 States as of January 2nd, it's the first step in legally putting the governors on notice there is a Convention being held under the right to abolish or reform government, upheld by 35 states but ultimately is the right of the people by declaration when abuses become insufferable.  I will be posting the Militia Letters and Sending out to all Chapters on the Top Militias I know about and sending via CC to media outlets.  The time and place will be 45 days from the 20th of January to see what the results are.  It will be in Virginia, the location will be set based on results of the mass protest in Richmond.

 

I will also send a legal letter to the Guard in Virginia showing the connection between Treason, voter fraud, declarations of war and the right at this point for the military to step in and perform the arrests.  Based on the Convention Turnout and Results, this will determine if there is enough consent to form a peoples army in the state, which would be the first time there was a peoples army since 1776 and then the first letter of demands will go out to Washington demanding the arrests of those we know have committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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Please, please, please .... think VERY CAREFULLY before you do this.

IF the United States were in some sort of pre-revolutionary situation ... if the government had lost democratic legitimacy in the eyes of a large fraction of the population ... if the military and police were deeply disaffected from the government ... if it were clear to everyone that we could not go on in the old way ... if it became clear to tens of millions of people that the normal way of doing politics -- elections -- was ruled out, because of fraud ... 

 

THEN  it would be right to consider other means of restoring constitutional democracy to the United States. 

 

We are not there yet.  We are a long, long way from being there.

 

Any attempt to 'arrest' legislators will either be a farce, or end in tragedy.  There will be dead patriots and patriots serving long prison terms, and organizations like the militia movement will be lose members in massive numbers.

 

We have to be patient.  We have to wage political warfare.  The Virginia events are an enormous opportunity for us to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people who have been politically passive.  The militia movement needs to go into overdrive for the next few weeks -- it should hold public meetings, its members should be writing letters to the editor, it should be setting up recruiting tables in the local shopping malls, it should be putting leaflets on windshields in parking lots.

 

All with the aim of explaining the importance of the Second Amendment, and of recruiting previously-passive people into the militia, or into some auxiliary support organization.

 

For every thing there is a season.  This is the season for   agitating, educating, teaching, and above all organizing.

 

Look ... I absolutely understand your frustration.  But we want to make sure that if it comes to a clash, that we execute a Normandy and not a Dieppe.

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I agree wholeheartedly! 

 

I honestly don't think we can do any better today (especially with our dumbed-down elitists: right or left) than our Founding Fathers did originally.  They included the means to add or subtract from our government structure, by means of Constitutional Amendments, should modifications be necessary.  The remedy for ANY problems we face, is already contained in the Constitution.

 

In a nutshell: if there's a problem with the government - the solution is already there... up to, and including armed defense or dissolution of it.

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Okay, here's the issue: we KNOW that there are some outright fraudulent votes: 'graveyard votes'  (the Democratic big-city machines were expert at mobilizing the graveyard vote, and it's probably  -- okay, possibly --  how John F Kennedy won in 1960. And Lyndon Johnson in Texas was no slouch at making votes appear either. More discussion about that here:  https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/42084/was-jfks-1960-election-win-due-to-fraud

 

I've read around on this issue and it's my opinion, for what it's worth, that serious, massive outright voter fraud -- of the sort that can swing the result of an election -- has not happened in the US in the last few years.  Not that they wouldn't do it if they could.  But the thing is ... they don't need to.

 

That brings us to the second point: elections being influenced by Google, or Facebook, or the mass media. OF COURSE!!!  If you really want to find the root of the problem, look to our schools and universities, which have been increasingly heavily influenced by 'cultural Marxists' for the last thirty years and more.

 

It's true that a targetted Facebook campaign might sway some voters at the last minute -- I believe Hilary lost a section of the Black vote that would have normally gone to her because of a campaign that sent Black voters information on everything she had said and done that they might not like --  but the real problem is that our young people are being indoctrinated into an anti-American worldview.

 

But ... you can't mount a violent coup --- and  let's be frank, that's what's being proposed here -- on the basis that you don't like the way the majority of people vote, however they were persuaded to vote that way.

 

(What you can do, if you believe the left-majority condition is permanent, is inititate a campaign for peaceful separation of the US into Red and Blue nations, but that's another issue and right now we've got concentrate on 2A defense.  But we all should think about it: what should we do, if it looks like the US is moving towards a permanent electoral majority for the Progressive Left?)

 

And think about this:  not everyone out there who is not a hardcore gun-owning conservative is therefore a drooling indoctrinated moron.  There are tens of millions of ordinary Americans -- especially women -- who are seriously concerned about mass shootings, and have been persuaded that adopting Mexico's gun control laws (they have very strict gun control in Mexico) will end gun violence.

 

These people need to be persuaded that this is not the right way to go about dealing with gun violence.  We need to explain that, like it or not, there are so many guns in America already, that a draconian gun-seizure law would just get the guns of the people who are (1) law-abiding, and (2) too afraid and/or stupid to make their weapons vanish. Crazies, gang-bangers, criminals will just hide their weapons.  (And they're not the only ones who will, but that's another story. No need to shout this from the rooftops.)

 

We need a counter-offensive: it's the Left that opened the lunatic asylums and let crazy people out on to the streets. It's the Left who are soft on crime and let violent criminals out on parole. It's the Left who refuse to deport illegal aliens, who then go on to kill Americans. It's the Left who glamorize terrorists, not us.  (The two people who were head of the Weathermen bombing group were never prosecuted, and became 'distinguished' professors of education -- where they have done  thousands of times more damage to America than their bombs did. One was even an adviser to Obama.)  It's the Left who have degraded the culture our young people absorb, with all sorts of degenerate, violent, sick heavy-metal bands and other cultural poison.

 

What we don't need is to do anything that the lying MSM can portray as glamorizing gun violence.  In other words we must not do just what they say we will do with our guns, initiate some sort of violent attempt to overthrow the government.  That is EXACTLY what they want us to do.

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Please, please, please .... think VERY CAREFULLY before you do this.

IF the United States were in some sort of pre-revolutionary situation ... if the government had lost democratic legitimacy in the eyes of a large fraction of the population ... if the military and police were deeply disaffected from the government ... if it were clear to everyone that we could not go on in the old way ... if it became clear to tens of millions of people that the normal way of doing politics -- elections -- was ruled out, because of fraud ... 

 

THEN  it would be right to consider other means of restoring constitutional democracy to the United States. 

 

We are not there yet.  We are a long, long way from being there.

 

Any attempt to 'arrest' legislators will either be a farce, or end in tragedy.  There will be dead patriots and patriots serving long prison terms, and organizations like the militia movement will be lose members in massive numbers.

 

We have to be patient.  We have to wage political warfare.  The Virginia events are an enormous opportunity for us to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people who have been politically passive.  The militia movement needs to go into overdrive for the next few weeks -- it should hold public meetings, its members should be writing letters to the editor, it should be setting up recruiting tables in the local shopping malls, it should be putting leaflets on windshields in parking lots.

 

All with the aim of explaining the importance of the Second Amendment, and of recruiting previously-passive people into the militia, or into some auxiliary support organization.

 

For every thing there is a season.  This is the season for   agitating, educating, teaching, and above all organizing.

 

Look ... I absolutely understand your frustration.  But we want to make sure that if it comes to a clash, that we execute a Normandy and not a Dieppe.

Its a tough situation.  There is legal authority to exercise this by the people.  They would push it as illegal but that where you have to unite and make a decision.  This is about forming a peoples army.  It's not been done since 1776.  The authority resides in the articles of Revolution and Reform so there is legal right of the people to assemble and gain consent for such a act.  Your dealing with violations of agreements signed in the civil war, violations of laws up and down Constitutionally, so under the Articles of Revolution and Reform, there is the right of the people to have a discussion and vote.  As long as it's by consent, its not criminal by law, but you are right any action will be deemed criminal by the lunatic left who has hijacked the Annals of power and taken the law.  We don't have law, it's what ever they see fit.  You don't win either way.

 

Basically, your damned do and damned if you don't.  I'd rather hang together then separately and there are already going to be dead patriots.  The problem is, you are in a place where you are going to pay either way.  So, do you want to pay the price with no fight? or do you want to pay the price with a fight?  If you fight, it has to be together can't be split up.  If you don't fight they are coming for you livelihood's, women, children, homes, you will individually be taken, they are out for blood.  If you fight, then at least the deaths incurred were for something legit and you gave them one hell of a bloody nose.  The Japanese did get past pearl harbor buddy.  This is truly about how you go down.  Make them pay for it, don't go down without a fight.  That's the reality.  The sky is not red, it really is blue.  You are experiencing what men over seas have experienced in your own home, much different and far more fearful.

 

Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I don't want to be a jew to the slaughter, I don't think anyone wants to be, they will kill you.  Get this.  Let it sink in.  They aren't just out for the guns, they want to kill anyone with love of God, country, common sense, morality, they want complete and total domination and control.  What's important is not the death, but how you die.  If your going to go, go in style.

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15 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Okay, here's the issue: we KNOW that there are some outright fraudulent votes: 'graveyard votes'  (the Democratic big-city machines were expert at mobilizing the graveyard vote, and it's probably  -- okay, possibly --  how John F Kennedy won in 1960. And Lyndon Johnson in Texas was no slouch at making votes appear either. More discussion about that here:  https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/42084/was-jfks-1960-election-win-due-to-fraud

 

I've read around on this issue and it's my opinion, for what it's worth, that serious, massive outright voter fraud -- of the sort that can swing the result of an election -- has not happened in the US in the last few years.  Not that they wouldn't do it if they could.  But the thing is ... they don't need to.

 

That brings us to the second point: elections being influenced by Google, or Facebook, or the mass media. OF COURSE!!!  If you really want to find the root of the problem, look to our schools and universities, which have been increasingly heavily influenced by 'cultural Marxists' for the last thirty years and more.

 

It's true that a targetted Facebook campaign might sway some voters at the last minute -- I believe Hilary lost a section of the Black vote that would have normally gone to her because of a campaign that sent Black voters information on everything she had said and done that they might not like --  but the real problem is that our young people are being indoctrinated into an anti-American worldview.

 

But ... you can't mount a violent coup --- and  let's be frank, that's what's being proposed here -- on the basis that you don't like the way the majority of people vote, however they were persuaded to vote that way.

 

(What you can do, if you believe the left-majority condition is permanent, is inititate a campaign for peaceful separation of the US into Red and Blue nations, but that's another issue and right now we've got concentrate on 2A defense.  But we all should think about it: what should we do, if it looks like the US is moving towards a permanent electoral majority for the Progressive Left?)

 

And think about this:  not everyone out there who is not a hardcore gun-owning conservative is therefore a drooling indoctrinated moron.  There are tens of millions of ordinary Americans -- especially women -- who are seriously concerned about mass shootings, and have been persuaded that adopting Mexico's gun control laws (they have very strict gun control in Mexico) will end gun violence.

 

These people need to be persuaded that this is not the right way to go about dealing with gun violence.  We need to explain that, like it or not, there are so many guns in America already, that a draconian gun-seizure law would just get the guns of the people who are (1) law-abiding, and (2) too afraid and/or stupid to make their weapons vanish. Crazies, gang-bangers, criminals will just hide their weapons.  (And they're not the only ones who will, but that's another story. No need to shout this from the rooftops.)

 

We need a counter-offensive: it's the Left that opened the lunatic asylums and let crazy people out on to the streets. It's the Left who are soft on crime and let violent criminals out on parole. It's the Left who refuse to deport illegal aliens, who then go on to kill Americans. It's the Left who glamorize terrorists, not us.  (The two people who were head of the Weathermen bombing group were never prosecuted, and became 'distinguished' professors of education -- where they have done  thousands of times more damage to America than their bombs did. One was even an adviser to Obama.)  It's the Left who have degraded the culture our young people absorb, with all sorts of degenerate, violent, sick heavy-metal bands and other cultural poison.

 

What we don't need is to do anything that the lying MSM can portray as glamorizing gun violence.  In other words we must not do just what they say we will do with our guns, initiate some sort of violent attempt to overthrow the government.  That is EXACTLY what they want us to do.

 

 

 

 

Actually your wrong.  Video testimony before the senate confirmed by Dr. Robert Epstein, was minimum 2.5 million votes using google and behavioral methods.  Blocking republicans, Christians and conservatives from google and Facebook platforms manipulates this further by at least a million.  Only 3 million is required for the house of representatives.  The number of votes I know can be confirmed in 2016 total is 8.5 million.  In the last election they doubled down, and using Sanctuary cities with illegals, removal of voter id laws, the numbers are staggering about 12.5 to 14 million, this was across the nation.  They indicted republicans in Oregon so they took the election by default using the law they hijacked, there was no choice.  After going over the demographics myself I developed a spreadsheet that shows they are taking the states with the most swing power in elections, planting sanctuary cities in the counties with the most voting power, importing illegals, issuing license, allowing them to vote, so the voter fraud in mass, even if it was just 2 million or 1 million, under Title 18 section 29 this is, and does qualify as "Installation of a Fiat Government" that is a declaration of war which violates the Geneva conventions in formal declarations of war.  This is also the crime of High Treason.  The DNC is now a stolen, and criminal party and there must be accountability and enforcement of laws.

 

The issue in Virginia is, they did just that above.  They established 2 Sanctuary cities, gave the illegals drivers license and then pointed them at the voters booth.  This is a complete, tyrannical takeover.  Virginia's decision's has already kicked off a war.  Now, either we join them and pay the price as stated in my prior response and do it United and decisively or we hang individually.  What do you prefer?

 

You are witnessing a setup, sell out, complete and total take over of the United States and to go without a fight, that is a dishonor to the thousands that have died in a war that was a lie, it was pointless and not legit, we did not belong over there and men that have been there know all about the lie.  I won't have their memories erased without a fight, I did their dog tags when they died, so many I was a expert with the machine I used to create those tags.  I saw every incident report.  Make a choice, United We Stand, Divided we Fall, but we are going to pay regardless of the decision.

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