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Corona Virus -- Early Warning!!!!!!

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I don't know whether this is just media click-bait, or is true.  A deadly virus, genetically-engineered, or maybe just naturally-evolved, to lie dormant for several days while being spread by symptomless carirers,  has always been the nightmare scenario.

 

Remember that in past wars, it was often the case that more soldiers died of disease than of bullets. And the epidemic after WWI killed people by the millions.

 

If this thing is coming to the US big time,  everyone should probably go out now and do a big shopping and get enough food for a couple of months.  Of course the "preppers" among us will be saying "I t-o-o-o-o-o-l-l-l-l-d  you!" 

I suppose it wouldn't hurt right now to fill as many containers as you can with water. One less thing to worry about, although I believe its vector is via air-borne particles.

 

Medical people here are invited to comment.

 

Presumably people reading this have enough ammunition to prevent involuntary sharing of food. 

 

And, as a side note, this is just the worst sort of situation ... because it would prevent the assembly of militias or emergency support teams.  Although perhaps, in our basic preparedness kits, this will encourage everyone to buy two or three M95 valved respirators  if there's time -- I'll be Amazon sellers sell out by tomorrow so you had better move fast -- (not 'face masks' although they are better than nothing), and also frequently WASHING YOUR HANDS:

 

More details about respirators and washing here:  https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#1

 

And the bad news here:   https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/coronavirus-nightmare-chinese-hospitals-are-turning-away-hordes-of-sick-people-because-there-is-no-room-for-them/

 

And here, although they'll probably try to blame it on Trump at this site.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-map-confirmed-cases-2020-n1120686

 

Oh yes.  I hate to be ghoulish about this but ... if there really is a big epidemic in the US, during and after it will give us a great opportunity to argue, on line and in letters to the editor and in personal conversations, for the existence of all-round prepared-for-anything militia groups.  If anyone is left alive.

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This is an excellent topic. Respirators, hand washing, and avoiding the public whenever possible are several key tools for disease prevention, as you pointed out, Doug, 1943.  It's not clear to me whether the Corona Virus is part of a disinformation and distraction campaign or an actual deadly threat.  If news sites are accurate, less than 600 Chinese have died from the illness, and about 5,000 have been sickened.  In the overall picture, that's not very many people.   

 

During the Ebola outbreak, we hospital staff were provided with hazmat suits and respirators, and taught how to employ personal protection strategies to avoid contamination.  Was there a pandemic in the US?  No, thank God.  Could the Corona Virus be an aerosolized biological agent?  Possibly.  

 

 

You said, "Oh yes.  I hate to be ghoulish about this but ... if there really is a big epidemic in the US, during and after it will give us a great opportunity to argue, on line and in letters to the editor and in personal conversations, for the existence of all-round prepared-for-anything militia groups."   That would be a marginally positive outcome, but only if our ISP providers and Post Office clerks don't croak. LOL.

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Thanks for the input.

Over and over again, we see things in the news, but since we rightly are suspicious of the news, we don't know how of it to trust.

Viruses and an example, as is radiation (fallout). 

So it's good to have specialists who can comment.

 

I'm not one, as shown by my saying get an 'N95' respirator ... apparently, the best you can do for face-mask respirators is an N100, which blocks almost all small particles.

 

It would be great, if you have the time, if you took over this thread and kept us updated on what's happening.

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First and foremost....DO NOT GET THE FLU SHOT EVER!!!! It will weaken your immune system further!! If you do get sick, do NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL unless you think that it is DIRE! You will just expose more people to your germs. This is a VIRUS and anti-biotics will not help that. Treat it like the flu...fluids, fluids, fluids, Vitamin C (loads) and try to eat small amounts if you can. Building the immune system is what you want to do. SWEATING IS GOOD!!! Mask and washing hands-YES YES YES!!! Try to quarantine yourself if possible. these are airborne pathogens, so if you cough on someone, they WILL get sick also.... PRAY!!!

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31 minutes ago, BushWookie said:

There is nothing to worry about here. I just spent 5 minutes of research and found that the coronavirus causes cold-like symptoms only.

Errrr ...  okay .... then what are they dying from in China?   So far, it's just 25 people, and they were mainly older with pre-conditions ... but it sounds like more than

a simple cold.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-virus-25-dead-as-second-city-joins-wuhan-in-lockdown/ar-BBZfjqX?li=BBoPWjQ

 

 

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Errrr ...  okay .... then what are they dying from in China?   So far, it's just 25 people, and they were mainly older with pre-conditions ... but it sounds like more than

a simple cold.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-virus-25-dead-as-second-city-joins-wuhan-in-lockdown/ar-BBZfjqX?li=BBoPWjQ

 

 

Re-read that good sir. "Pre-conditions". This is media hype and has nothing for us to worry about. I simply googled "coronavirus", and I've looked into WebMD, the CDC's page, and a few other sites for verification. You tell me it's something more serious.

 

Secondly, the coronavirus is a family of virus; meaning it could be as simple as a cold, to something as severe as MERS or SARS. Apologies on my part for not previously mentioning that. Again, 5 minutes of research usually does someone some good. Don't jump immediately to the fact that we all need to be going grocery shopping in full CBRN equipment with full kit. That's silly and excessive.

 

However, what @ KCS said is partly true. Yes, you need to be strengthening your immune system. Best way to do that is hydrate, have plentiful vitamins and minerals, along with Vitamin-C and Zinc as more of a priority.

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2 hours ago, KCS said:

First and foremost....DO NOT GET THE FLU SHOT EVER!!!! It will weaken your immune system further!! If you do get sick, do NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL unless you think that it is DIRE! You will just expose more people to your germs. This is a VIRUS and anti-biotics will not help that. Treat it like the flu...fluids, fluids, fluids, Vitamin C (loads) and try to eat small amounts if you can. Building the immune system is what you want to do. SWEATING IS GOOD!!! Mask and washing hands-YES YES YES!!! Try to quarantine yourself if possible. these are airborne pathogens, so if you cough on someone, they WILL get sick also.... PRAY!!!

 

not a big fan of flu shots myself but they're required for both my day job and  volunteering for EMS service  but dude ...

 

   

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55 minutes ago, wtr100 said:

 

not a big fan of flu shots myself but they're required for both my day job and  volunteering for EMS service  but dude ...

 

   

Required here too. Active Duty always makes you get them, and then they wonder why more than 3/4's of the battalion is unable to do PT.. ??‍♂️

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Okay ... we'll have to wait and see.

I absolutely agree we should not panic over what may just be a severe cold ... it was the Chinese governments putting the whole city of Wuhan on lockdown that indicated to me that something more serious is going on. 

I recall the SARs virus of about fifteen years ago, which didn't turn out to be the catastrophe that many people were worried about.  Let's hope this is the same.

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The shot is "required" for my work as well. Never let them tell you that. You ALWAYS have a CHOICE and it is called FREE WILL given by GOD. It will only do harm. They have things called Adjuvants like aluminum hydroxide and toxins added. Year after year exposure and these cause disease. It will also make you more susceptible to viruses and bacteria in the interim. PROTECT YOUR HEALTH! It is the most important thing that you have...

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Here's the latest information ... or the latest I've found.

This site I've linked to may be a bit sensationalist,  I don't know. But better safe than sorry.

 

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/a-high-level-exercise-conducted-3-months-ago-showed-that-a-coronavirus-pandemic-could-kill-65-million-people/

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Here's the latest information ... or the latest I've found.

This site I've linked to may be a bit sensationalist,  I don't know. But better safe than sorry.

 

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/a-high-level-exercise-conducted-3-months-ago-showed-that-a-coronavirus-pandemic-could-kill-65-million-people/

 

 

Hmm, seems to me it would be kind of odd the creators of this pandemic virus with a patent on it would bring together 15 leaders to simulate this.  That's not sensationalist in my opinion, that's a plan.  65 million people, no, much higher with information I have gathered.  %50 percent lethal.  1 in 2 die.  1000 times more contagious then any flu.

 

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23 hours ago, BushWookie said:

There is nothing to worry about here. I just spent 5 minutes of research and found that the coronavirus causes cold-like symptoms only.

This is being under reported.  The numbers are way higher.  Way, way higher and the symptoms are more like TB.  In China that is.  Locked down airports, sealed containment tubes.  Stocks being depleted off the shelves.  It's reached a epidemic level there.  Pandemic, well, that has yet to be seen.

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5 minutes ago, I3DI said:

Hmm, seems to me it would be kind of odd the creators of this pandemic virus with a patent on it would bring together 15 leaders to simulate this.  That's not sensationalist in my opinion, that's a plan.  65 million people, no, much higher with information I have gathered.  %50 percent lethal.  1 in 2 die.  1000 times more contagious then any flu.

 

Well, I think our leaders do a good enough job at screwing up the world spontaneously, without having to plan it.

In any case, why would  they want to kill millions of us?

 

I can only see something like that happening, if a particular country thought that it could  develop a lethal pathogen, AND a vaccine against it, secretly ... then let the disease loose

in the enemy country, while quickly vaccinating one's own citizens.  

 

But in general I think the problem with biological warfare is that it's just too uncertain.

 

Our main enemy here is still Mother Nature, who very happily kills us off when she gets displeased.

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8 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Well, I think our leaders do a good enough job at screwing up the world spontaneously, without having to plan it.

In any case, why would  they want to kill millions of us?

 

I can only see something like that happening, if a particular country thought that it could  develop a lethal pathogen, AND a vaccine against it, secretly ... then let the disease loose

in the enemy country, while quickly vaccinating one's own citizens.  

 

But in general I think the problem with biological warfare is that it's just too uncertain.

 

Our main enemy here is still Mother Nature, who very happily kills us off when she gets displeased.

Carona was invented by Bill and Melinda gates.  Has a patent number.  I've pulled what I can and I connected the lack of data with the adjuvant being discussed by the WHO in their 20 hour meeting video with this and why there is NO DATA on this adjuvant.  This isn't mother nature, this is not even plausible unless it's created and the adjuvant, well it's in the vaccines.  I don't discuss why there is no data on this, but, very good reason and it's ugly, educated guess based on what I know limited, not a guarantee.

 

Point is, this plan has been in the works a while.  It was Bill Gates that cited in several meetings between Population, CO2 and Resources one number had to go to zero.  The rate that was agreed on was a reduction by 90%.  The real motivation has nothing to do with CO2 or Resources, it's wicked, evil, and since these people have lost and know it, this is them doing what crazies do, possibly.  Point is, lets get real numbers on U.S. cases here, not what's being floated and no assumptions.  Let's just assume everything is ok for now, but let's get all the information on this.  More information on this Adjuvant is what interests me.  I want to find something out about this adjuvant that has been being employed in the Vaccines.  I know the connection, that's what needs to be found out here.

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Well, whatever happens, we should be on high alert.  In an ideal situation, someone would be monitoring international news, especially news from China -- (do we have anyone with Mandarin capacity), and the site owner would be able to do a mass email  to all the site members if necessary.   In fact, there ought to be a 'public alert'  "tree" system that would allow the militia movement to alert everyone as quickly as possible, with posts on social media, mass emails, even phone calls.  Something to think about for the future.

 

In the meantime, let's assume the worst: that this virus will reach epidemic levels with a significant mortality rate: what should we do NOW about it?  I think people have already said it (and we should repeat it): stay away from crowds, wash your hands.   This means having a few weeks' supply of food at home, which people should do anyway.  Ideally,  people would also have purchased N100 or equivalent valved respirators if they do have to go out in public. 

 

But .. let's hope this is just like previous viral infections, and dies out without too many of us dying out.

 

And, again, my first response is: how can we use this episode to educate people that they should not expect that the authorities will always have things under control.  We need to encourage people to think about self-reliance, to think about being prepared for possible situations in the future where the government won't be able to take care of them. That sort of thinking -- which liberals call "paranoia", s actually the intelligent way to think about the future, and its logical conclusion is: support, or even join, your local militia.

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Well, whatever happens, we should be on high alert.  In an ideal situation, someone would be monitoring international news, especially news from China -- (do we have anyone with Mandarin capacity), and the site owner would be able to do a mass email  to all the site members if necessary.   In fact, there ought to be a 'public alert'  "tree" system that would allow the militia movement to alert everyone as quickly as possible, with posts on social media, mass emails, even phone calls.  Something to think about for the future.

 

In the meantime, let's assume the worst: that this virus will reach epidemic levels with a significant mortality rate: what should we do NOW about it?  I think people have already said it (and we should repeat it): stay away from crowds, wash your hands.   This means having a few weeks' supply of food at home, which people should do anyway.  Ideally,  people would also have purchased N100 or equivalent valved respirators if they do have to go out in public. 

 

But .. let's hope this is just like previous viral infections, and dies out without too many of us dying out.

 

And, again, my first response is: how can we use this episode to educate people that they should not expect that the authorities will always have things under control.  We need to encourage people to think about self-reliance, to think about being prepared for possible situations in the future where the government won't be able to take care of them. That sort of thinking -- which liberals call "paranoia", s actually the intelligent way to think about the future, and its logical conclusion is: support, or even join, your local militia.

Ok, you assume the worse, I am hoping for the best.  Please, anyone with information or connections on this Adjuvant, none of the doctors I know have any knowledge on this adjuvant being used in the vaccines.  There is NO DATA on this.  There is a connection and I need something to see what it is so I can research it.  The connection is very dangerous.

 

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2 minutes ago, I3DI said:

Carona was invented by Bill and Melinda gates.  Has a patent number.  I've pulled what I can and I connected the lack of data with the adjuvant being discussed by the WHO in their 20 hour meeting video with this and why there is NO DATA on this adjuvant.  This isn't mother nature, this is not even plausible unless it's created and the adjuvant, well it's in the vaccines.  I don't discuss why there is no data on this, but, very good reason and it's ugly, educated guess based on what I know limited, not a guarantee.

 

Point is, this plan has been in the works a while.  It was Bill Gates that cited in several meetings between Population, CO2 and Resources one number had to go to zero.  The rate that was agreed on was a reduction by 90%.  The real motivation has nothing to do with CO2 or Resources, it's wicked, evil, and since these people have lost and know it, this is them doing what crazies do, possibly.  Point is, lets get real numbers on U.S. cases here, not what's being floated and no assumptions.  Let's just assume everything is ok for now, but let's get all the information on this.  More information on this Adjuvant is what interests me.  I want to find something out about this adjuvant that has been being employed in the Vaccines.  I know the connection, that's what needs to be found out here.

I don't doubt that there ARE certain people -- the loony extemist wing of the ecology movement -- who would like to see 99% of humanity disappear, because they think we're destroying the earth.  Thank goodness these are usually people who couldn't change a tire,  much less do genetic engineering.   But not Bill Gates!  He's actually been helping population increase by his medical missions in the Third World.  His great crime is certain features of Windows! Dropping Home Group capacity, for instance, the devil, so I can't easily network my computers at home.

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1 minute ago, Doug1943 said:

I don't doubt that there ARE certain people -- the loony extemist wing of the ecology movement -- who would like to see 99% of humanity disappear, because they think we're destroying the earth.  Thank goodness these are usually people who couldn't change a tire,  much less do genetic engineering.   But not Bill Gates!  He's actually been helping population increase by his medical missions in the Third World.  His great crime is certain features of Windows! Dropping Home Group capacity, for instance, the devil, so I can't easily network my computers at home.

I hope that was sarcasm.  Bill Gates has been testing these vaccines on 3rd world countries to circumvent U,S, regulation and cut costs.  While claiming he is helping, I've massed many videos of the effects of his vaccine distributions in other countries, seizures, death, in one country they want him from what I know for the deaths.  I believe they were compensated.  Is is a proclaimed Eugenics advocate and believer.

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I think the take-away from the current commotion over the Cornona virus is this: even if THIS one is a dud, as we all hope it will be,  still ...  the cost of an N100 level valved respirator or two, plus enough food to not be forced to go out to the supermarkets for a few weeks is not much, for grown-ups, and therefore it's something we should have anyway.

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28 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I think the take-away from the current commotion over the Cornona virus is this: even if THIS one is a dud, as we all hope it will be,  still ...  the cost of an N100 level valved respirator or two, plus enough food to not be forced to go out to the supermarkets for a few weeks is not much, for grown-ups, and therefore it's something we should have anyway.

I've got at least 5-6 cases of MRE's stocked away where no really knows about. Sure, they could be found if they looked, but. Food is food, I have a handgun, and all I need is more ammunition and I'll be alright. Other than that, I've been taught how to fill the bathtub with water (actually looking to buy a liner, because today's level of superbugs is unacceptable), and I need to get ahold of some respirators. Maybe some body armor plates that aren't USGI. Otherwise I'm straight for a while.

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1 hour ago, BushWookie said:

I've got at least 5-6 cases of MRE's stocked away where no really knows about. Sure, they could be found if they looked, but. Food is food, I have a handgun, and all I need is more ammunition and I'll be alright. Other than that, I've been taught how to fill the bathtub with water (actually looking to buy a liner, because today's level of superbugs is unacceptable), and I need to get ahold of some respirators. Maybe some body armor plates that aren't USGI. Otherwise I'm straight for a while.

 

Collapsable, portable and comes with it's own inline water filter system.  5 percent off of all purchase with code ATLAS.

 

https://www.beprepared.com/waterbasics-60-gallon-water-storage-kit-with-filter

 

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