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Not sure what the best possible route should be. But my 2 cents would be not to sit back and rest on our laurels over a job that is really a good job done by all patriots.

 

I do think we should keep the momentum going, not just in Virginia but in each state. Not just on the local or state level but on our representatives and senators. Send them the message that we will not stand for this type of stuff where we each live. 

 It would be nice if they would listen to us but if not then where possible find someone that is willing to deal with the stuff that will come with primary them.

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Peacefully?

Stand up at a local & county level & enact nullification. the 2 biggest influences one can vote for is for their LEOs & Judges, make sure theyre constitutional. If you're in a sea of blue, move & help sure up a red area. Start incorporating propertarianism in local, county, and eventually state constitution.

 

there is a divide & there needs to be a separation. we'll most likely balkanize, whether that means counties moving to other states or separating to create a whole new state . the fed gov is a lost cause, focus on the state & smaller.

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I agree, I made up a map in another thread on here, the new Constitutional United States, cutting out some of the other areas that we can leave out to make a better country.  ?  Seriously though I think this might end up being the best solution.  Get the walls up within one year then after that any body else left on the other side must go through a thorough immigration process.  Of course we can still trade but keep the trade sites near the borders with controlled access and limited time within the country.

 

These Constitutional United States of America

 

 

 

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I agree, once the changes are made in the Map I drew above also based on the 2016 election which would't be exact put still pretty close, the people left in the remaining interior blue counties and cities will not be able to to affect the overall state and national politics.  Most of them will eventually immigrate outside the Constitutional United States and good riddance to them, or their generations after having good educations without revisionist history, political correctness indoctrination and identity politics, will naturally come around to our way of thinking.  It's like cancer surgery, cut the cancerous portion out and throw it away.  It needs to begin with 2A and all other bill of rights sanctuary counties then states, then form some new states / state boundaries then theses Constitutional United States.

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What i am concerned about is how the flood of people leaving California will start affecting other states as they seem to be doing in Virginia. \

 Especially in the midwest and south where the areas there have been traditionally red and how they may start to turn blue if we allow it.

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Yes and the vast majority of their base come from coastal areas with large concentrated populations, most of those would be removed cutting it down to interior areas that would the be more like 20 percent or less of the population.  If they really want to live the socialist life then most of them would immigrate.  Yes there would be a lot of particulars to work out, all I am saying is with the rampant importation of socialist votes there are only 2 true resolutions to this problem, divide the country in a civil war or divide the country up in a peaceful process.  The eventual outcome we are currently heading to is a socialist dictatorship unless drastic changes are made and soon.

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9 minutes ago, DawyneB said:

What i am concerned about is how the flood of people leaving California will start affecting other states as they seem to be doing in Virginia. \

 Especially in the midwest and south where the areas there have been traditionally red and how they may start to turn blue if we allow it.

 

That's why I said we need to get a wall up within the first year.  There will be some the first year but most of those would probably be like minded people we want.  The others left are the ones that want a socialist paradise and they wouldn't start coming until a few years later once they start going downhill like Venezuela. 

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A very smart fellow, FH Buckley, a law professor at George Mason University, has just written a book on this very subject:

https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/how-to-avoid-americas-coming-secession-crisis/

 

No one knows the future. What will happen will depend on events, and these events are not predictable.

But if we have several hundred thousand American patriots under arms, organized in local militia groups, determined to defend liberty -- and hopefully with

a wise, cool-headed leadership getting good advice from men like FH Buckley ... we will have done all we can.

 

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It's a chess game where the rules aren't exactly fair.  The politicians get more moves than the Patriots.  At this point we have to wait for them to finish making all their moves before we can respond.  

 

They're working the Red Flag laws through as they realize most of the populace (aside from ardent gun owners) do not find such laws to be controversial or repugnant.  

 

They will likely have some form of laws passed that are slightly tamer than what was initially proposed.  At a minimum I'd expect the limits of purchase and mag capacity restrictions to pass through.  Time will tell how far they are willing to push and how quickly.  We know what they actually want - whether or not they can get it all done as fast as they would like is the question to answer.

 

When they finish making their moves, the citizens will have to decide what avenue to take.  In the mean time they can try to rally support for peaceful resolutions.  They can continue to exhaust political means:  Recall/Impeach the Governor, leave the state to join West Virginia (wonder how that would actually work out - not sure the Federal Government wouldn't want to get involved in that), ride it out until the next election cycle and try to overcome the odds and repeal the legislation - hoping that they can continue to elect responsible and freedom loving politicians over the long haul (gun confiscation will always be waiting for the next opportunity).  The natural tendency has always been to handle matters at the polling station. 

 

The risk of losing our freedom is always lingering in that regard - elections.  We are always at the mercy of who is pulling levers (legal or illegal, dead or alive).  We have a culture war that is hard to win due to infiltration at every level of our education system and Media.  Train the people to vote their freedom away has been the mode of operation for the left.  Undermine family, faith, morality, and national pride.  The Media Industry reinforces that propaganda.  My kids can't watch a cartoon without being bombarded with climate change propaganda.  

 

The 2A issue is a symptom of a larger disease.  

 

 What now?  We have to wait and watch to see what takes place before we react.  We have to retain a defensive posture for now.  Options remain that must be exhausted for the sake of retaining the moral high-ground.  If the citizens of VA are convinced that they cannot regain control via the election process they have to either choose to leave the state via joining to WV, form a new state, or they have to fight to take back their state.  It all comes down to whether or not the elections can be won or not at this point.  

 

 

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Here in Washington, we had a lobby type day in Olympia, but all the gun control bills went ahead and got a passing floor vote. These include mag capacity, a vague banning of semi-auto weapons, strengthening of state preemption of Federal Constitutional rights, taxes on ammo along with a background check for that, and turning our "Shall Issue" CPL policy into an onerous, expensive process requiring very expensive training and approval by the state patrol.

 

Washington State has a very low rate of gun violence, like many states more than half the state is rural, but Seattle determines those elected and it is a left-left liberal city. A few days ago, a shit-hole area of Seattle, 3rd and Pine, had a gang shooting. The 3 perps had a combined arrest record of 100+, yet the Mayor, who believes in appeasing criminals, immediately called for gun control. So every time a criminal does something with a gun, policy makers introduce something new to punish lawful citizens.

 

My worry is that the left does have this constant momentum of their message, and it is a slow, methodical strategy of eroding the constitutional right given to us PRIOR to government. This makes it difficult to know when to begin to up the ante with regard to non-compliance.

 

I feel the gun rights groups and movement need a better message than just "It's our right, given by the Constitution" or other references to the law, which seems absolutely ineffective as a response to gun-grabbers.

 

I believe at this point, I'm going to have to go the "I will not comply" route and pay the consequences of being arrested if need be. I would like to see these state preemption laws that override the Federal Constitution be challenged in court. I was reading Daniel Webster last night, a strong central government proponent (would be a Democrat today), saying the States did not have the right to preempt the Constitution. This was in reference to states nullifying Federal tariffs, but seems like it would support the gun rights cause. 

 

 

 

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