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     Some years back, when cutting firewood, the landowner said to check with the DNR first, as I would be cutting close to the riverbank.

     The officer I called told me that they have jurisdiction (not ownership as such) not only in the river, but 15 feet from the edge inland.

     He added that it effectively makes the 15 feet of dry land a public access path.

     Before venturing, you might double check, and if proceeding, respect nature and private ownership.

     That law or regulation also applies, if I remember right, to intermittent waterways.

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even when you own your land, you dont own your land...


cant take gravel out of their either, or clean it. buddy of mine found that out. I think their response was something like "if I see you on my land again without a warrant im going to shoot you" never showed back up on their property. mine is a red state though, doubt you could get away with that elsewhere.

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Dear Mr. Price:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County

Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris". I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter -- being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem; bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.



Stephen L.Tvedten

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It likely varies from one state to another. I should have specified Indiana. I don't condone invading privacy or trespassing, but if there's a reason to patrol along a river or creek, then so be it, in my opinion. Some would do it just to harass someone, which could be dealt with, and an infraction of law.

     I only posted this, because during certain times or for certain types of operations, it can be used for tactical advantage.


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     To reiterate a bit and substantiate a point, rather than present what appears to be a conflict of interest, I'm going to provide an example or two of how that public access right can be useful, especially considering that the law isn't likely to change, which is hurting nobody, provided it isn't abused.

     As it is, government personnel can tred just about anywhere they want, with a just reason or a trumped up excuse. And unfortunately, they can empower their informants to do so in many cases. Most informants I ever seen or dealt with are just as criminally minded as they were before being caught and "conscripted".

     Let's say a thief, either informant or not, has snuck in thru less trodden paths, and has left a footprint or other sign. Maybe you have an idea of who it was, but you need more evidence. With or without a tracking dog, that law enables you to go about anywhere necessary, while tracking or trailing them.

      Maybe the gov spooks, or cops, have been up to something, and you need, or want, to know what. Guess what? With enough evidence, you have a ready made path to figure it out. 

     That law is quite useful in rural areas for any type of investigator. Plus, you can legally crash about where ever you want while on a canoe trip or hike. 

     So, before condemning all laws and taking privacy too far, you might want to stop, take a breath, and use the brains God gave you instead of riding on emotions.

     As one example of privacy overriding good, consider the HIPPA laws: #*%[email protected] bogus.

     Considering some other factors, I believe that it is being used as a cover to aid in eliminating select people.

     Some years ago, my Mom and Niece ended up hanging from seatbelts, after the car turned up on it's side. Nobody was hurt, and she didn't bother calling me, not a big deal in itself.

     However, back in the day, everyone would have been mentioning it to me, asking if she was ok. And the clincher is, not a damn soul from the fire department said a word, though I ran into them every day at the gas station. All because of a stupid, $#@!*$% law, designed, not for the public good, but for, I truly believe, a sinister purpose, especially in the future.

     If a death would have occurred, as I told Sheriff Striker, and I wasn't told in time to visit while they were alive, there'd have been hell to pay.

     Therefore, we need to consider what the hell we're doing.

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