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The Virginia House of Delegates passed a package of gun control proposals Tuesday on a near party line vote.

 

The proposal passed the House 51-48, with all Republicans, and several Democrats voting against the bill. The legislation includes a ban on the sale of several firearms defined as “assault weapons,” including the popular AR-15. (RELATED: The Virginia Legislature Is Pondering Confiscation. These Sanctuary Counties Are Ready To Fight Back)

 

Virginia residents who currently own these types of firearms will not be forced to participate in a mandatory buyback program as had initially been considered by state Democrats. However, the bill gives the state government the authority to confiscate certain types of magazines that are considered “high capacity.” (RELATED: Here Are The Good Guys With Guns The Media Doesn’t Want You To Know About)

 

This is the second gun control package approved by the House in recent weeks. The legislature passed legislation late last month that included universal background checks, red flag laws, and a law limiting citizens of the Commonwealth to one firearm purchase a month. Both bills now head to the state senate, where Democrats hold a narrow 21-19 majority. Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has spoken out in support of both bills, and has made gun control a top priority for his remaining two years in office.

 

Gun control initiatives have been met with intense backlash in the Commonwealth, with 91 of the state’s 95 counties having declared themselves sanctuaries for the Second Amendment. A Second Amendment rally in the state’s capital of Richmond drew roughly 22,000 attendees.

 

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4 minutes ago, DawyneB said:

Thanks for posting this. I do wonder what would happen when the majority of counties refuse to play ball as it seems they are doing will their fearless leader use the national guard to enforce any of these bills by force?

If there is anyone pushing the envelope, it's Virginia... It's almost breath-taking to ponder....

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Guns and Gadgets channel was encouraging folks in VA to write their state level senate reps to encourage them to shoot down these bills.  Guess if they can get two of the senators to flip these bills will either stall or get gutted on a second go around.  Big question is if any dems will flip.  Not sure if any of them are in pro-gun counties where they might lose their job next election cycle if they vote in favor of the bill.

 

How comfortable are these politicians with their voting block? 

 

I'm still curious as to how they intend to enforce these 'laws' when the time comes if they pass.  

 

 

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     Teamwork will be the key. They'll likely confiscate guns one household at a time, single everyone out, probably by night and/or when nobody is home. Downright tyrannical.

     "When the people fear the government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people there is liberty". I think Jefferson is said to have stated that, I forget.

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43 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

If you're not for writing to your representative -- "petitioning for a redress of grievances" -- and you're not for voting for someone who opposes gun confiscation ... how do you "take action"?

Write a letter and show us what you get back.  A auto penned copy and paste response.   When you come to the conclusion that government doesnt care about you and you're just a tax paying slave to them.  I said action meaning at some point it has to lead to a physical alteration and toss the damn tea into the bay.  We and myself included are to soft and keep ignoring what we need to do 

 

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well a very close vote... interesting, sad that protest at the capital did not result in anything else being done, a way to figure out how to rally more voters, something.... looks like all one can do is find those who voted for the bill on the next election and vote them out and hope for something better.

 

other than that, hide what ya got or leave Virginia .

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18 hours ago, Claw Hammer said:

Write a letter and show us what you get back.  A auto penned copy and paste response.   When you come to the conclusion that government doesnt care about you and you're just a tax paying slave to them.  I said action meaning at some point it has to lead to a physical alteration and toss the damn tea into the bay.  We and myself included are to soft and keep ignoring what we need to do 

 

If we have a majority, we can vote them out.

 

If we don't have a majority, then the state apparatus -- the military and the police -- will  remain loyal to the government of the day.

 

So the "altercation" will be between a few thousand people at most, on the one side, and the police and military -- supported by the majority of the population, on the other. 

Better check your life insurance policy to see if your widow will be covered!

 

We'd better think this thing through.  There are a thousand ways of resistance, so long as we are a minority,  which do not involve suicide.  Everyone needs to start thinking now about how to conceal their weapons and ammunition.

 

The thing is, nothing stands still. We don't know how the US will develop in the future.  We are currently sliding down from being Number One in the world, being replaced by China.

Our ruling elite don't seem to be aware of this, and they may therefore do something very stupid  -- say, a military confrontation with China which results in a humiliating American defeat or climb-down -- that causes a great shock to the American people, and the  discrediting of those in power. 

 

Or they may be heavy-handed in their enforcement of Progressive legislation, and give our side some martyrs.  Martyrs are extremely useful to insurgencies in the process of being born. (It's just the opposite of open armed conflict. They lose by killing us -- so long as it is seen by the mass of the population as an unjustified killing.   At least, so long as we make use of such incidents: We ought to make much more than we do of this fact -- quoting from Wikipedia, about the Ruby Ridge incident

 

Weaver's back was to FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi, who aimed to sever Weaver's spine for an instant kill. Weaver moved at the last second as Horiuchi fired, and the bullet entered Weaver's right shoulder and exited through his armpit.   As the three ran back to the house, Horiuchi fired again at Kevin Harris as he ran away, but this time hit Weaver's wife Vicki in the head as she held their 10-month-old daughter Elishiba at the door. Vicki Weaver collapsed on the floor, dying instantly. Harris was hit in the chest by the same bullet. A Justice Department review later found this second shot was out of policy and the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover and did not pose an imminent threat.

 

(Our side is absolute crap at propaganda. We let the enemy portay us as crazy anti-government paranoids. The quote above ought to be printed on a million leaflets which need to be repeatedly put up on every bulletin board in America. Over and over. Maybe we could hire someone from Black Lives Matter to teach us how to do propaganda.)

 

Continued Third World immigration may start being de-stabilizing, especially if the cartels follow the population acoss the border.

 

We have to 'wait our turn', as that fellow on YouTube advises in armed self-defense situations.  So long as the democratic order is stable, we must play by the rules -- or at least, must NOT be, or be seen to be,

advocating or condoning armed violence except when defending ourselves from criminals. 

 

Peaceful, legal, and grow the movement!  We must expand our numbers by two orders of magnitude. 

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If you think you can get a majority of people to support the constitution.  Awesome but I dont think and most people rather have safety then freedom.  The country is over and without a reset nothing will change.  Yes people will die and starve to death and war will happen.  Or you slide into socialism as we already have and almost there.    Then never get out because you lost everything. 

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     We're going to have to have the attitude of the Swiss some 500 years or so ago, concerning both peaceful means and armed conflict should it occur.

     I forget exactly when, but their army, in the bow and arrow days, were vastly outnumbered and in a poor tactical position, but had to fight or surrender, which would have destroyed their country.

     They fought, and were all killed, but the repercussions were so severe that somehow Switzerland bounced back. Morbid view, but still inspiring. We're in the exact same predicament, but do have a chance.

     The Bible states that the Hebrews, 500 of them, defeated some 10,000 of the enemy, a few thousand years ago. Plus the 6 Day War. 500 Army Rangers landed at Normandy, 250 were killed on the beach. All but I think 50 were killed scaling the cliffs in an attempt to take the German guns. 19 made it to the machine gun nests, 9 or 10 survived while capturing them, saving hundreds or thousands. Twelve led by one changed the world forever, historical fact whether one believes or not:

 

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     I know you're right, Clawhammer. Too many people would rather have $1 handed to them than walk across the street for $10. What gets me is that the one precept which the Constitution equals is freedom to choose one's path in life, yet so many disdain it. They're doing the same as worshipping the state (government). And to think, so many in the Continental Army didn't even have shoes, and that in the dead of winter. Aaaaargh!

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23 minutes ago, Claw Hammer said:

If you think you can get a majority of people to support the constitution.  Awesome but I dont think and most people rather have safety then freedom.  The country is over and without a reset nothing will change.  Yes people will die and starve to death and war will happen.  Or you slide into socialism as we already have and almost there.    Then never get out because you lost everything. 

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you.  I don't think we are going to be able to take back the USA.  We're going to have to go our own way at some point in the future. Of course, things will have to be far different before that happens. There will have to be huge changes in the consciousness of the 30-40% of Americans who call themselves conservatives.

 

In the meantime,  we must build the militia movement, legally and peacefully.  The last thing in the world that we want is a shoot-out with the police or military.  I don't believe that people who casually post statements which suggest that they DO want a shoot-out, actually mean it.  They're frustrated, they're angry at seeing their country disintegrate, they're speaking metaphorically.  But the problem is, our enemies are watching this site and others like it -- YouTube video comment sections, for example -- closely.  They will use incautious statements against us -- in the 'court of public opinion' first of all, to getgun control passed... and maybe later even in the real courts.

 

So we have to exercise 'fire discipline' in what we say and write.  People will say "This isn't a free country any more, this is getting like Russia or Iran" ... but people who live in those countries know very well you have to watch what you write and you say.  Just saying those things shows that we are not yet like those places.

 

There is an old saying.  "There are things which are said, and not done.  There are things which are done, and not said."

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10 minutes ago, Todd A. Slee said:

     Maybe we should petition Trump to pass a mandatory 'Everybody Stay Home and Watch 'The Carol Burnett Show' and 'All in the Family', maybe that would straighten out everyone's thinking. Huh, how 'bout it?

the waltons,    Andy Grifith,  and maybe batman**

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47 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you.  I don't think we are going to be able to take back the USA.  We're going to have to go our own way at some point in the future. Of course, things will have to be far different before that happens. There will have to be huge changes in the consciousness of the 30-40% of Americans who call themselves conservatives.

 

In the meantime,  we must build the militia movement, legally and peacefully.  The last thing in the world that we want is a shoot-out with the police or military.  I don't believe that people who casually post statements which suggest that they DO want a shoot-out, actually mean it.  They're frustrated, they're angry at seeing their country disintegrate, they're speaking metaphorically.  But the problem is, our enemies are watching this site and others like it -- YouTube video comment sections, for example -- closely.  They will use incautious statements against us -- in the 'court of public opinion' first of all, to getgun control passed... and maybe later even in the real courts.

 

So we have to exercise 'fire discipline' in what we say and write.  People will say "This isn't a free country any more, this is getting like Russia or Iran" ... but people who live in those countries know very well you have to watch what you write and you say.  Just saying those things shows that we are not yet like those places.

 

There is an old saying.  "There are things which are said, and not done.  There are things which are done, and not said."

Its interesting but we need to train farm and learn to make things.  Be well rounded in all things.  Its better for a warrior to farm then a farmer to be a warrior. 

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     That's a good saying. Lol. I'm not laughing at you, but I find ironic humor, or maybe humorous irony, in that, the warrior/farmer thing, because, what was it, 1,000 years ago, the Japanese emperor banned his subjects from possessing weapons and having, for all practical purposes, militias. He banished them to being peasant farmers and such, and over time they secretly developed martial arts, with specialty weapons, aka farm utensils, and eventually overthrew the bad regime. Hmmm....

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     You know, seizing guns, or anything, without due process, is 100% unconstitutional, therefore illegal, tyrannical and really, an act of war against the people.

     If they start doing that, the time to talk, petition or reason is run out, and only action will do. Why not form groups of patriots to be on call, and soon as called upon for assistance against tyrants, the group goes and arrests the culprits, whether they be cops, feds or military. It could possibly be done without serious altercation. Any citizen can make an arrest if certain criteria are met, such as witnessing a crime.

     It wouldn't take long to have most culprits arrested. It's a radical idea, but some cops belong to militias. I think it's a viably feasible idea.

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