Member Duncan Lemp - Murdered

[Doug1943 1,614]

1 minute ago, DawyneB said:

Doug1943, Thanks for posting what you did. It does male me ask this. Would any legit firearms dealer sell the banned stuff if they knew about it in whatever state it was to be sold?

I don't know.  We really need to be absolutely up-to-date on this stuff, and it's made more complicated by our Federal system, so we have fifty different cases, and even cities can pass their own laws.

 

We may choose not to be compliant with a given law, but we need to know what it is, how they're likely to enforce it, etc.  I don't think this is a job for the militia movement, it's a job for the many pro2A groups, but we need to be aware of their research.  Most of them seem to focus on Concealed Carry of handguns, rather than on serious weapons of combat, but that information is probably there as well.

 

And we have to be prepared psychologically where we have to work in a semi-legal situation ... that is, where your AR15 or whatever is not immediately accessible. Evidently Duncan's weapons were, because the people who killed him are now proudly displaying photographs of their tropies on their website.  Effectively they're saying "See??? He was a dangerous psychopath!!! Look at this scary gun!! Look at that one!!! And a third one!!!! Okay, so maybe we got a big jumpy  but, it was justified."

 

And the horrible irony is .... THIS WAS IN MARYLAND,  where the main city is  .... BALTIMORE!!!!!!!!!!

 

Here's the first paragraph from the Wikipedia article on Baltimore:

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Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. is infamous for its significantly high crime rate, including a violent crime rate that ranks high above the national average. Violent crime spiked in 2015 after the death of Freddie Gray on April 19, 2015, which touched off riots and an increase in murders. The city recorded a total of 348 homicides in 2019, a number second only to the number recorded in 1993 when the population was nearly 125,000 higher.

So who do the police go after????? Duncan!!!! 

 

We ought be boiling white-hot angry over this .... but intelligently so.

 

There needs to be a massive turnout at his funeral -- if his family agrees.  And we need to make the point: these people are coming after law-abiding people because the BLM Left have made them afraid to go after the real criminals!

 

[DawyneB 184]

I have always found it interesting how leaders in cities and state like Baltimore,Md find a desire to allow criminals to hold more power and or rights than the law abiding, tax paying citizens who's only desire is to just live their daily lives in peace. 

 I mean God forbid if they should enforce the laws as were and punish those who actually desire to do ill towards others in some way.

[Doug1943 1,614]

3 hours ago, horsemn said:

God speed.

What happened to giving the accused the option to turn themselves in to face their accusers?

 

Here's something to remember: just like all of us, if we're honest, the police like good publicity.  They've had a lot of bad publicity over the last few years, some of it justified, usually --not always -- involving someone who is not white.

 

They like being on the evening news, wearing all their tactical gear, leading out a frowning unshaven bewildered "Right Wing Anti-Government Extremist" while the TV cameras roll. Our saviors!

 

And the Bad Guy is WHITE!!!! "See??? We're impartial!  Okay, we gave Freddy Gray (remember him) a "rough ride" and broke his neck and BLM rioted, but ... now we're going after Right Wingers!!!  Who were no doubt planning to take their machine guns down to a Black orphanage!!!"

 

So a boring old summons through the mail .... ha. No chance.

 

But we've got to hear their side. 

 

Please note -- although I am strongly of the opinion that we must hear the police side, I have no illusions about what it's like to be a policeman in the US today -- it can have a very bad effect on people.  It's not a job I would want.

 

In Los Angeles friend of mine, Ron Burkholder, a gentle, harmless pointy-head kind of guy, a biochemist, took too much LSD or something in 1977. He ended up running outside onto the streets stark naked. The LAPD showed up.  He apparently went into a mock karate stance.... so they just shot him dead. There is a documentary about this, 'Blood on the Telephone'.  (Details here: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gkpdx/deadly-force-tonight-at-spectacle)  

 

So I understand about the police.  And I've had my own, negative, personal experiences with them.

 

But we have to have police.  Ultimately, the police are the way they are, because we are the way we are.  I think it's called 'original sin' or something.

 

Life is complex. We must not play into the hands of the communists, of AntiFa, of BLM.  Their ultimate aim is not some sort of fairy-land world without police, but a world run by them, where their  police would make ours look like Methodist Sunday School teachers. But first they must discredit and destroy the existing police.  We must not help them.

 

Okay, we're all human. 

[Matt In West Virginia 998]

3 hours ago, horsemn said:

God speed.

What happened to giving the accused the option to turn themselves in to face their accusers?

 

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? I tell you, THIS is just one facet of the Constitution that makes red flag laws unconstitutional. The family of Duncan Lemp needs to take thios all the way to the Supreme Court.

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1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

Yes, I absolutely agree with you.

I would be in favor of citizens' auxiliaries that aided the police, and if such were formed, we should jump in with all four feet, just as those of us who can, who have not already done military service, should be in the National Guard. 

 

But remember ... it's like war.  There are going to be times when our own side kills us.

Precisely. In Tennessee during the 1800's, local militiamen would accompany each constable when warrants, summoms, or patrols were being conducted. Imagine how accountability would increase, as well as the increased ability to respond to active shooters. When I run for governor in 7 years, I will be pushing this.

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6 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Just a word of caution -- we need to see what the police say.  He absolutely doesn't sound like someone who would provoke a police shooting but it may have been the case that he heard a noise, got out of bed, got his weapon, and went to a window ... presumably the police will have to have some story. 

 

Here is what they have said so far:http://www.mymcpnews.com/2020/03/13/detectives-investigate-officer-involved-shooting-in-potomac-additional-information-released/

 

It says nothing except that he was prohibited from owning firearms -- why???? --- and that he 'confronted' them. The article has pictures of the scary weapons he owned ... just ordinary 'assault rifles', it seems -- but no details on why he was prohibited from owning them, or why a 4.30 am raid was required.  Just like Waco or Ruby Ridge, a sane rational approach, assuming he did need to be arrested, would be to wait until he went out and then seize him.  However, I don't think we should assume they just shot him down in cold blood ... we want to get their full story.

 

If it turns out, as it looks like, that this was a case of police over-reaction -- perhaps provoked by the kind of  stories the vile Southern Poverty Law Center puts out, painting the militia movement as 'anti-government extremists', a bunch of Timothy McVeighs in the making -- then, after clearing it with his family, we ought to call for a massive attendance at his funeral, by every militia member and patriot who can get there.

Your correct about these (raids) at odd hours...I mean imagine being half asleep,  with your family in the home...hearing someone smashing your front door in. The first thing I would be doing is grabbing my personal protection equipment (.223) and or 12guage. If these guys would come during daylight hours, knock on the door and do this civilized with conversation,  I doubt very many of these types of incidents would result in anyone discharging a fire arm. God bless this young man and his family.  And God bless America and our right to live! 

[Doug1943 1,614]

31 minutes ago, MilitiaSeargentReagan said:

Precisely. In Tennessee during the 1800's, local militiamen would accompany each constable when warrants, summoms, or patrols were being conducted. Imagine how accountability would increase, as well as the increased ability to respond to active shooters. When I run for governor in 7 years, I will be pushing this.

Why 7 years?  ... Seven lean years...?   By the way, if it's of use to you, I can send you a small 'database' of the names and emails of most Tennessee Republican group leaders -- Womens Clubs, YR's College Republicans, etc. Plus a few other random conservatives/libertarians. About 150 names ... and I'll be adding the elected officials, thanks to UTreadUDead's marvellous Tarantula. 

If you're serious about running for governor -- or any other office -- you'll want to start to prepare now, in various ways.  (And if you were only joking, you should actually think about it. People are fed up with professional politicians who quickly get bought up by lobbyists, but they still retain some trust in the military, where the concept of honor and sacrifice for the common good is not entirely dead.)

[Doug1943 1,614]

3 minutes ago, Danny011763 said:

Your correct about these (raids) at odd hours...I mean imagine being half asleep,  with your family in the home...hearing someone smashing your front door in. The first thing I would be doing is grabbing my personal protection equipment (.223) and or 12guage. If these guys would come during daylight hours, knock on the door and do this civilized with conversation,  I doubt very many of these types of incidents would result in anyone discharging a fire arm. God bless this young man and his family.  And God bless America and our right to live! 

Absolutely.

I understand the logic of the 4am raid when it's some drug dealer in a neighborhood where they hate the police.

But not this man.

I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that the 4am raid was DESIGNED -- at some level of consciousness - to spook him into an 'armed response'. But ... we have to wait and see. He WAS 'prohibited' from owning these weapons -- not just the general ban on 'assault rifles' which Maryland seems to have (do they really?) but a specific personal prohibition, i.e. the kind you get when you have had an acrimonious divorce and said things you should not have said to your ex-wife -- or maybe had an episode of clinically-treated depression... I'm not an expert on what can get you banned form owning firearms though.

 

I do hope his family and the militia movement play this the right way: what we DON'T need are snarly angry statements about how the whole police force are spawn of Satan, etc.  The watchword has got to be solemn dignity, an assertion that we are not potential mass killers, and that THIS SORT OF THING HAS GOT TO STOP -- while distancing ourselves from the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and Anti-Fa, who use ANY excuse to attack the police.

 

A mass turnout at his funeral -- and invitations to sympathetic politicians -- or to politicians who ought to be sympathetic -- to attend, with one of them delivering a eulogy.

[Headhunter 515]

2 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Maryland seems to have pretty strict gun controls. Here's a list of what is banned in Maryland --

https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organization/Pages/CriminalInvestigationBureau/LicensingDivision/Firearms/FirearmSearch.aspx

 An extract from the above. I have embodened the relevant part:

Purchasing a firearm, like any significant purchase, requires serious research and investigation.

If you are considering the purchase of a firearm and are unsure if the firearm is banned, contact the Maryland Regulated Firearms Dealer you are utilizing for your purchase. Maryland regulated firearms dealers are best suited to answer questions about the various types of firearms available. If your regulated firearms dealer is unable to provide assistance, contact the firearms manufacturer to obtain additional information about the weapon.

Some examples of the questions to ask are listed below:

1) Is this weapon semi-automatic? If not, it is not banned and you do not need to continue.

2) If this is a rifle, is it centerfire? If not, then it is not banned and you do not need to continue.

3) Is this weapon considered to be a copy of a banned weapon? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

4) If this is a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine, does it have any two of the following: a folding stock; a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or a flash suppressor; If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

5) If this is a rifle, does it have a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

6) If this is a rifle, what is the overall length of the weapon? If the stock is fully extended and there are no removable additions to the barrel, is the weapon less than 29 inches? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

7) If this is a semi-automatic shotgun, does the weapon have a revolving cylinder? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

?If this is a semi-automatic shotgun, does the weapon have a folding stock? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

 

Doug, it's insane that the average shooting enthusiastic has to have a S.T.E.M. degree in order to purchase a firearm.  Of course, that's the purpose of America's increasingly oppressive anti-gun laws.

[Doug1943 1,614]

Exactly.  I didn't know that Maryland had these laws ... surely one of the national gun rights organizations has a list of such laws state-by-state.

But since they're there, we have got to know what the law is in the state we're living in. It's an elementary bit of intelligence -- not to know the relevant law would be like not knowing anything about the Enemy Order-of-Battle in a real war.

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8 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

it seems -- but no details on why he was prohibited from owning them, or why a 4.30 am raid was required.

I have to think something is hokey.  The police just so happened to show up in flack suits at 4:30 in the morning.  Really?   Apparently he was sleeping with another person.  What, she was deaf and blind?   She has to have seen or heard something...

[Doug1943 1,614]

Duncan was connected to this website.

I believe we -- Fixer -- should contact the family/attorney, offer our profound condolences (obviously) and say that there might be a lot of people who want to come to the funeral -- to show their respect for him and their anger at the police response.  And then offer to organize it via this website ... all that means is to publicize when and where the funeral will be, how to get there, maybe to co ordinate rides, etc. ...rather like the Richmond rally. Co ordinate with the III%ers and any other group he was in. Publicize it through Oathkeepers, the ModernMilitia website, and all other likely outlets (Ihave a list of several hundred conservative and pro2A websites).  We might even get the RedNeck Rebellion people involved.

It would be the best thing we could do for him, because I know he would want something like this and would want to see this site grow, which it would as a result.  I have already taken the liberty of suggesting a massive turnout at the funeral, assuming the family agrees, and saying information on it can be found at this website, in posts on Facebook -- the Montgomery County Police Department -- his killers -- have already attracted a lot of angry comments, and I have been replying to each of them with this website URL suggested as a source of further information.

 

Also: somebody has posted an image on the police Facebook page, with the name address and phone number of the deputy that supposedly killed him, with an indirect threat. I don't think we should be into that at all. I can't tell where the image came from, probably another discussion board -- Discord? -- but if you go to that page you will see it:

 

https://www.facebook.com/mcpnews/?redirect=false

[631 Patriot 131]

Omg! R.I.P., Duncan!! ? 

[Claw Hammer 481]

10 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Okay. Suppose we abolish the police.  What then?

Be free and not get shot or taxed by road pirates 

[Doug1943 1,614]

3 hours ago, Claw Hammer said:

Be free and not get shot or taxed by road pirates 

C'mon, man!  Think about what you're saying!   This is just, on a small scale, what the pacifists say!  "Oh, wouldn't it be lovely if we abolished the military .... no more war taxes, no more draft, no more nasty old wars!"   Dear God .... if we abolished our military, we'd be slaves to someone else's military before you cWould say 'jackrabbit'. And the same for the police, who are just military-lite. 

 

Because there are bad people out there, people with guns, and the only answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Now, you may say, Well, I am a good guy and I have a gun  so I don't need the military or police.  But don't kid yourself: the good guys with guns have to be organized. And that means they have to have some rules and regulations, or they'll start shooting each other over the things that make men fight, even good men. That's where the state comes from, and laws.  There isn't any way around this, at least not with the human race at its present state of development. Of course even the Good Guys, even the Good Guys under the rule of law, are still subject to Original SIn. So we've got to try to control our government, and it's a never-ending fight.

 

You mention "road pirates".  Well, here's a video of some real "road pirates", and a Good Guy who got in amongst them when the police were not there.

 

 

[Doug1943 1,614]

5 hours ago, 631 Patriot said:

Omg! R.I.P., Duncan!! ? 

Well ... we always understood -- in theory at least -- that we were preparing for war.  In war people get killed, and not just the bad people.

So we have to respond like disciplined soldiers, and honor this brother ... we still don't know exactly what happened, and it's just possible he made a tactical error ... which is inevitable in war ... and we will honor him anyway. None of us are perfect, especially when awakened from a sound sleep at 4.30 am.

 

In a real war, you fight back.  In this case, not by shooting back -- that's what our enemies, including the infiltrators in our movement, want -- but by using this terrible incident to

 

(1) get more patriots to step up and take Duncan's place.  That's what the militia movement should do right now:  It should be getting onto every form of social media, every form of publicity, with a solemn call:

WE HAVE A VACANCY -- WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD MEN TO FILL IT. 

THEY HAVE SOWN THE WIND ... LET THEM REAP THE WHIRLWIND!

 

What we don't need are adolescent hot-air threats against the police.  We need to appeal to the decent police, who are actually on our side, or would be if their political masters were removed.

 

With the permission of his family, there should be a massive turnout at his funeral. Perhaps even an Honor Guard, with as close as we can get to military honors for a fallen warrior.  Our combat vets can advise.

 

(2)  We should consider an organized campaign to stop this sort of crap.  We need to point the finger of blame squarely at the vile Southern Poverty Law Center, which tries to smear the patriot movement as white supremacist anti-government terrorists.  They have blood on their hands and we need to make it stick there.  They're already in trouble, and we need to give them a good kicking while they're down.

 

This would involve getting some mainstream politicians on our side.  It would involve bringing in the powerful legal teams of the pro2A groups.

 

It might also involve a tactical alliance with certain forces on the Left -- for instance the RedNeck Revolt group, the Socialist Rifle Clubs, and even .... dare I say it ... Black Lives Matter, although  that would take some thinking through, since BLM simply assume -- like some other people -- that the police are evil in themselves and always are in the wrong, which is not true.  (Not every police killing of a Black person is justified!)

 

(3)  It would be very good if we could get some anonymous (necessarily) testimony from serving police officers about the political pressures they are under to do surveillance of the patriots.  There must be policemen in Maryland who are totally disgusted by what happened, but of course, if they openly speak out, their jobs are gone.

 

In summary: we've got to think about how to respond, and do so in a way that is most damaging, including in the long term, to the enemy.

 

 

 

[Claw Hammer 481]

2 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

C'mon, man!  Think about what you're saying!   This is just, on a small scale, what the pacifists say!  "Oh, wouldn't it be lovely if we abolished the military .... no more war taxes, no more draft, no more nasty old wars!"   Dear God .... if we abolished our military, we'd be slaves to someone else's military before you cWould say 'jackrabbit'. And the same for the police, who are just military-lite. 

 

Because there are bad people out there, people with guns, and the only answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Now, you may say, Well, I am a good guy and I have a gun  so I don't need the military or police.  But don't kid yourself: the good guys with guns have to be organized. And that means they have to have some rules and regulations, or they'll start shooting each other over the things that make men fight, even good men. That's where the state comes from, and laws.  There isn't any way around this, at least not with the human race at its present state of development. Of course even the Good Guys, even the Good Guys under the rule of law, are still subject to Original SIn. So we've got to try to control our government, and it's a never-ending fight.

 

You mention "road pirates".  Well, here's a video of some real "road pirates", and a Good Guy who got in amongst them when the police were not there.

 

 

Isnt that the  same riots that the cops  refused to help with. They couldn't handle it and do their job.  Leaving the citizens to defend themselves against looters

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19 hours ago, RevRifleman said:

 

Obviously, it isn't something we can abolish.  But, it needs reformed.  Local communities need to have more say in who is employed as an officer and more power to remove officers who abuse power.  There is too much political influence over departments hiring, training, and enforcement.  It doesn't help that officers are earning their degrees from communist infiltrated universities and colleges.  Not to mention the fact that most communities have to deal with several different departments:  Local, Sheriff Dept, State, Highway Patrol, University Security, and the list of Federal Agencies that occasionally come sniffing around. 

During my very short time as a deputy sheriff, had we dragged someone out of a car and slammed them to the pavement it would have been us in jail. I was on two raids during my time, and both were late evening just before dark, and we knocked both times. The first stepped out and surrendered the second went out the back door into the waiting arms of the backyard team. We never would have gone in on a high risk action like this. It almost guarantees violence will occur. We the people have stood by and allowed our police become more and more aggressive and more militarized. Kinda like we have with government. I think the real reason we see so much of this is the asset forfeiture laws that allow anything on the property to be seized if you are arrested inside the home, and good luck getting it back if you're found not guilty.

This was indeed a tragedy to see this young man gunned down for no good apparent reason. I'm  sure this, like so many others, could have been carried out differently.

[Doug1943 1,614]

4 hours ago, Claw Hammer said:

Isnt that the  same riots that the cops  refused to help with. They couldn't handle it and do their job.  Leaving the citizens to defend themselves against looters

Yes, you're absolutely right. Here's another video:

 

The police are not a military force. Two guys in a squad car with .38s are not going to commit suicide by trying to arrest a mob of 200 looters.

Eventually, though, they came back.  And in situations like this, they sometimes bring the National Guard (where we should be when we can) with them.   Until then, people facing mobs like that need to be organized in a militia. (I don't know about you, but I winced when I saw those Koreans standing out in the open with little handguns. I'll bet everyone reading this was saying, no, no... get a team up on the roof with rifles, have overlapping fields of fire,  look to your flanks, get behind behind cover or at least concealment ... etc etc )  

 

And when the riots are over ... your view is that there should be no police, and we should just continue to defend ourselves, day after day, year after year?  Well, then WE become 'the police' because we will have to have some rules and regulations.  Will there be speed limits on the streets? Enforced by 'the militia'?  What  will they be? Who will decide? What will be the penalties for speeding? 

 

We've GOT to have the state.  That means men with guns, the police and the army, and we've got to fight a never-ending war to keep them under as much citizen control and oversight as possible.  In some future free-market Constitutional Utopia, maybe we could have a much smaller police force and military ... I don't know. The importance of the militia right now is for what may well be coming in our country, which I won't elaborate on.

 

Look ... we obviously disagree, but there are people who believe in self-defense, and who hate the police AS SUCH, who agree with you. You're not alone. Here's a statement from some of them with which I think you might agree:

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Police, prisons, courts, artificial borders, and other systems of social control only exist to serve the rich. The nation-state project came into existence to protect the propertied classes and keep us working people poor and without power, often using varying types of standing armies to enforce laws which disproportionately impact the poor. We have no interest in ideological utopian governments- we do not seek to merely replace one set of politicians for another. We know that our answers will always come from a community level, where every person should be allowed to participate in making the decisions that affect their lives. We believe in community power and community rights over the rights of any government body.

 

The people who believe this are in a different organization, but they are armed and trained and preparing for conflict.  They really hate the police, and the military, and government in general. They've thought out their beliefs ... if anyone thinks they sound pretty good, I'll supply their contact details so you can get in touch with them.

 

[LetFreedomRing 5,754]

The Murder of Duncan Lemp

 

[young patriot 152]

On 3/14/2020 at 2:08 PM, Doug1943 said:

Okay. Suppose we abolish the police.  What then?

reform them. like restarting a computer to fix a few bugs. it will never go away fully, but a reset now and then helps things run more smoothly. 

[Doug1943 1,614]

Everyone should have a look here: https://www.odmp.org/

 

These guys face death every day. It's part of the price we pay for being a free people -- guns are widely available, and not only to the good guys, not only to the sane people.

 

Now ... the smart Left know this. So they have worked for the last thirty years to smear patriots as "anti-government extremists" who are just one step away from the genuine neo-Nazis and crazy "sovereign citizens" who HAVE murdered police officers in the past.

 

They know what they're doing.

 

Traditionally, patriots were pro-police, and the Left was anti-police.  In the 1960s the John Birch Society had a wonderful bumper sticker -- I used to see it everywhere. It read, If you don't like the police ... the next time you're in trouble, call a hippy.

 

It was the Left, like the Black Liberation Army, who killed policemen, or who celebrated their murder. I remember, living in Berkeley, when a Berkeley policeman was shot to death during  a routine stop. His name was Tsukamoto, and his killer has never been caught. A few weeks later, there was an anti-war march in Portland ... and a group calling itself the 'Red Rockets' (named after the NVA 122 mm rockets killing our troops in Vietnam), marched chanting the slogan "Tsuka-Tsuka-Tsukamoto!"  They were celebrating his murder.

 

But things changed. We got out of Vietnam, the Blacks won their victories in the South, and all the radical young people went back to graduate school and became teachers and professors.  The Revolution was postponed.

 

And then various people on the Right began to lose their minds, starting in the late 70s. We had the 'Sovereign Citizens' who thought they were exempt from the laws. We had various neo-Nazi groups like the Silent Brotherhood (called 'The Order' in the liberal press) who started to commit bank robberies and murders. Policemen were killed in encounters with these groups. 

 

Then in the 90s, we had the Ruby Ridge atrocity, and then Waco.  The militia movement began to grow. Inevitably, some of its members had absorbed some of the crazyness that affected part of the Right in the 80s -- almost entirely hot air, macho talk --- but it did not go unnoticed on the Left, who saw their opportunity.  The Southern Poverty Law Center began to expand its defintion of 'hate group' from genuine Nazis, to anyone on the Right it didn't like, including us.  We were "anti-government extremists".

 

Now... the SPLC had established itself as an authority with many police departments.  So here was this almost official organization, saying, "Those militia guys are crazy ... they want to kill you...".   

 

But despite this after Ruby Ridge and Waco the militia movement grew. Then along came Timothy McVeigh, who not only killed 168 innocent people in Oklahoma, but also killed the militia movement

 

He was not a member of any militia. He had attended one meeting of the Michigan militia. But of course the SPLC and similar people knew they really had a winner with the "anti-Government extremist" line now, and they have pushing it for all its worth ever since.

 

We would be fools to go along with it. We would be fools to do nothing.  If somebody says you're a paedophile, and you just remain silent, then everyone will assume that where there's smoke, there must be some fire.

 

If I were forming a militia unit, as soon as it got to any size ... ten people or more .. I would set up a meeting with local LEO and tell them exactly what we were about, reassure them that we are the last people in the world to be against the legitimate actions of the police, and I would also demand that if they know of a dubious character trying to join us, they must tell us.  Their real enemies are our real enemies, the hard-core communist-inspired Left, and various airhead dupes around them.  I would also make it clear that we were ready to serve in any emergency, under their command, as an auxiliary force ... say, providing guards against looters after a natural disaster, or supplementing the emergency services with our medical people.

 

This seems like plain common sense to me.  I would be interested to hear any serious argument against it.

[RevRifleman 1,512]

"Between 2010 and 2014, police in Maryland conducted over 8000 SWAT raids, killing nine people and injuring almost a hundred, as well as killing 14 animals.  Those grim statistics helped spur the Maryland legislature to end SWAT recordkeeping."

 

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/did-maryland-police-shoot-and-kill-a-sleeping-man/

[Doug1943 1,614]

Thanks for this.

We have to be careful, though.  I don't automatically assume those raids were all unjustified.  Maybe they were, but ... there is a LOT of crime in Maryland. It's where Baltimore is.

 

We have to keep making the point: we're not anti-police. We're PRO-police. But that doesn't give the police a license to kill anyone they like!

 

I would push this theme:  the Left, people like the ADL and the horrible Southern Poverty Law Center, have worked to demonize patriots, calling us 'Anti-Government Extremists', a bunch of Timothy McVeighs.  Some policemen may have been taken in.  This terrible tragedy should be an opportunity for us to sit down with the local police everywhere we can and explain what we're about, and give details about the corruption and dishonesty of the SPLC and how the Left is using the police to split the pro-American anti-criminal element and turn us against each other.

 

The Left wing hates the police. They march in the streets and their less-inhibited members chant "Whadda we want? Dead Cops!! When do want it? Now!"  Their older and wiser handlers have another tactic, which is (1) to hollow out the police with Political Correctness -- you can see it whenever the 'Chief of Police' speaks in a liberal city now, it turns out to be someone who is probably a graduate of the local Feminist Studies program --  and (2) to turn the police against the patriots.

 

We need to get a deep understanding of the enemy's tactics here and counter them.  At the moment the Duncan Lemp case should be the 100% focus of every militia group.  Our leaders in the different groups and websites need to consult among each other and prepare a co ordinated response. 

 

If this had happened to a BLM activist, can you imagine how the MSM would be burning up right now with righteous indignation? There would be caravans of protestors on their way to Maryland at this moment.  These people are not stupid -- we have to learn from them and beat them at their own game.

 

I hope that we can honor Duncan's memory by recruiting five thousand new members to the militia movement,  drive a wedge between the SPLC and the police, and strengthen the hand of the people within the police who don't want to make war against us, their natural supporters and allies.

 

 

 

[DawyneB 184]

We should not only recruit 5000 more members but also get with the program and organised like the left has done for years now and get the word out. We have some catching up to in this but it is very doable and what the other side has laid out a very clear framework for us to work with and against.