Are we being lured into Civil War?

[NebUS75 135]

If Trump gets re-elected— what you have seen in riots, autonomous zones and looting over the last 2 months will be remembered as the good ole days. The left, socialist, and communist folks will going on a year long rampage ... that’s a best case scenario (imho)

[RayanneKennan 35]

1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

. It involves the internet and I have to tell you about it within the next day or so: certainly before 6pm Eastern Tim

 

How and where are you going to announce it?

[Razor Ramone 55]

On 6/25/2020 at 6:23 AM, MBR said:

 

You misunderstand the purpose for suing tyrannical Governors: we don't hope to financially profit. We want them to STOP KILLING US!! At least 110,000 + dead at their hands, and they are nowhere near done. Some even go so far as to have encouraged BLM / antifa rioting, prevented contact tracers from even asking if they attended George Floyd large gatherings, and shutting businesses down all over again.

 

It's not "just brick and mortar," it is LIVES RUINED. How many businesses have already closed for good? How many more are teetering at the edge of it? How many lives are impacted, as employees? And that's just the individual level. What about as a Nation?

 

This is deliberate. And the criminal and civil liability of Governors is unlimited. In the rare case where the Governor is ok, focus on the most tyrannical Mayor. I believe it is Utah that is a clear example of that.

[Razor Ramone 55]

On 6/24/2020 at 9:30 PM, GLCsector3295 said:

actually you are mistaken again, with your claim of 1,500 lawsuits, one would have to figure those lawsuits were not filed yesterday, meaning , at least 1 of those went to court and got laughed out instantly, it isn't ignorance on my part, merely pessimism to the futility of pretending that there are 1,500 lawsuits floating around, to which you just admitted you can not  or do not know how to find any pending class action law suits, which by the way is super easy to do, you go to your internet search bar, type in a generic search of, Class Action Lawsuit against the state of ( enter said state ) or Class Action Lawsuit against Governor ( insert name )  and it will turn up nothing because it doesn't exist, and if it did, it would have been on the news a long time ago, unless now one is to dive into the loony world of conspiracies that there is a class action lawsuit but some how the left managed to keep it off the internet and out of the news. . an I am not pretending anything is a pipe dream, it just is a cold hard fact of being a pipe dream,  the founding fathers lived in a completely different world than today, for them to try to do what they did then, in the world we live in now, would be beyond impossible. for a lot of reasons. If it was possible, North Korea would be free right now and so would a lot of other tin horn dictatorships , and China.  Not that it isn't worth trying, but in strong hold communist and crazy countries, with out the help of the free world, they don't stand a chance of winning.

 

 

But again it all falls back to you, don't wait for someone to do the work for you, if you really want a class action lawsuit against some governor for the mass crimes you say have been committed then why are you going to wait for something to be done, , lawyers are more than willing to give a 20-30 min free consultation for a possible case.  I mean if it is really that important, it would seem to me you would want to get it done. An if for some reason, you are physically un able to, or what ever your reasons may be, you can still do internet research, and form contacts online to find someone to do the actual foot work, and or research on how to start a petition online, which by the way i'll kick it off for you to make it slightly easier, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/  ;   

 

though  it is easier to say , i'll be the first to sign, because signing something is a lot easier than actually doing the foot work.  an we all have our reasons for not doing the foot work,  the same reason we do not see any " armed militias " going to the front lines trying to restore law an order, they don't exist, or they are beyond un prepared when they should have been prepared years ago. Well that and democrats want the help. 

1,500 lawsuits filed since lockdown began, meaning between 3/16 - 5/23. Most Courts have been closed in that time. Nothing was resolved. 

 

Your pessimism is baseless, and blind. 

 

I can tell you're a lawyer because you don't understand "legal standing."

 

None of us can afford to not understand what's happening in the Country to the extent you demonstrate here. 

 

For a historical perspective, in 1921 Tulsa had a riot that was more like a battle. "Over the next year, local citizens filed more than US$1.8 million (equivalent to $26 million in 2019) in riot-related claims against the city by June 6, 1922."  I don't know the disposition of those cases but if none of them won I don't think they'd be reported on the wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

 

It would be interesting to know how laws on the topic may have changed since, and if insurance companies will pay or if they have an escape clause based on government completely abandoning its duty to defend the populace. This is just a tiny amount of liability on the part of local and State Officials though, as compared to the deliberate murder of over a hundred thousand. 

Edited June 27 by Razor Ramone

[MBR 224]

5 minutes ago, Razor Ramone said:

You misunderstand the purpose for suing tyrannical Governors: we don't hope to financially profit. We want them to STOP KILLING US!! At least 110,000 + dead at their hands, and they are nowhere near done. Some even go so far as to have encouraged BLM / antifa rioting, prevented contact tracers from even asking if they attended George Floyd large gatherings, and shutting businesses down all over again.

 

It's not "just brick and mortar," it is LIVES RUINED. How many businesses have already closed for good? How many more are teetering at the edge of it? How many lives are impacted, as employees? And that's just the individual level. What about as a Nation?

 

This is deliberate. And the criminal and civil liability of Governors is unlimited. In the rare case where the Governor is ok, focus on the most tyrannical Mayor. I believe it is Utah that is a clear example of that.

Yea, but the truth is suing Governors only costs taxpayers more money defending those idiots.

 

And don't preach about the damage done by the using CV-19 to wreck the economy, I am fully aware of what they are up to.   

[Doug1943 1,614]

On 6/26/2020 at 12:06 AM, RayanneKennan said:

 

How and where are you going to announce it?

People PMed me,  and they were notified. Most people were unable to take part, but a couple did, and one of them was successful in creating a video/audio

record of an enemy organization planning meeting. Not as dramatic as it sounds -- most real intelligence work is not. But we now have a valuable record, including

close-up videos of people, some of whom want to kill us.  No doxxing on our part ... but we can build up a database which we can use to check new applicants to

our groups against. If we get doxxed -- as just happened in Albuquerque -- where our people have been fired from their jobs -- we might, someday, be able to

return the favor. 

 

Usually, when people on the Right, especially young ones, talk about "intelligence" they're thinking of James Bond stuff, secret decoder rings, etc. Play-acting, actually.

The word "Intelligence" attracts fantasists.  The real thing is lots of boring internet searches -- albeit with some advanced techniques and using methods most people do not

know about, like how to access criminal record files, ec -- and cutting and pasting and formatting.  Most people would rather watch YouTube videos of people shooting guns, and

that's fine.  We're just looking, as the Marines used to say back in old sexist days, "for a few good men". And actually women are better at this stuff than males, for which there may

be a Darwinian explanation.

[MBR 224]

19 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

 And actually women are better at this stuff than males, for which there may be a Darwinian explanation.

That's a TV myth, while many women have as part of their duty been exposed to the dark side of society, men have them trumped, they have as part of their duty been exposed way more of the dark side then most women ever will and they are more versed in the slang needed to dig deeply, using the key words needed to run a search upon.

 

It looks easy on TV, in reality the view is not that sharp and often leads into a lot of rabbit holes. 

 

   

Edited June 27 by MBR

[Doug1943 1,614]

Yeah, I don't take this stuff very seriously anyway. 

 

There is a whole academic field, shunned by Orthodox Lefties, called 'Evolutionary Psychology', which is the new name for 'Sociobiology' ... a deadly heresy

on the Left since man is supposed to be the only animal for whom natural selection did not produce subgroups with different distributions of the genes that influence behavior. 

 

I do follow the debates on whether there are innate male and female characteristics -- Steven Pinker vs ... his wife?? ... but don't feel obligated to have a position on it.  It's like the radioactive race-and-IQ debate -- we'll know a lot more in 25 years, and in 50 years we'll be crafting our own genomes (our descendants' I mean), so it makes no difference.  There won't even be 'races' by the end of the century.

 

Just make sure everyone has the best education possible, that all positions are open to any talented person regardless of sex or race, and let the geneticists get on with their work.

 

I'm a great admirer of Charles Murray, and also of his most effective opponent, James Flynn.  But whoever is right in these disputes makes no difference to what we have to do now -- and one of the things we have to do now is to un-male and un-white/Anglo the militia movement so we can grow it even more and increase its influence even more.

[MBR 224]

14 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

 But whoever is right in these disputes makes no difference to what we have to do now -- and one of the things we have to do now is to un-male and un-white/Anglo the militia movement so we can grow it even more and increase its influence even more.

Interesting thought, I understand where you are coming from, however the concept of Militias being white and male are again myths pushed out by media, the reality is, there area whole lot of people of all walks who see and understand things are getting all FU'ed and they understand their freedoms are on the line.

 

They just don't know what they can do about, they feel abandoned and are frustrated by those who they voted for, they turn on the TV and want to puke, and they look at their children and think to themselves "he** no, I will not allow the freedoms I have and love get pissed away and send my children into being enslaved by the Government."

 

But they don't know what to do.

 

Militias in the U.S. are nothing new and I believe there are many forming in the background, the real problem is perception and how to unite all of the splinter groups, while allowing them  to remain independent, but aligned to a common goal, that being the stopping the Progressive/Socialists from continuing to go forward.

 

The problem as I see it is there is no real directive, no real end goal, just a lot of good people who want to derail the Progressive/Socialist freight train that is plowing through our society.

 

I believe most of here have an idea of what's happening and while we may not know the source of the money yet, a number of members here are turning over stones and discovering  the rot underneath them and that intelligence is a good beginning.

 

So what do we do to solve the problem?

 

I have no effing clue, I am not that intelligent to come up with a overall solution, what I do understand is training in conflict resolution will become a major part of it, which is why we need to work together and learn how to utilize the tools we have available, concentrating on intelligence gathering, pushing out information to bring everyone to the table and in the background hone our very important skills to work oith the tools we have, and I think most of know what that means. 

 

The there is the the PR side, media has painted Patriots with a broad brush, I learned way back with TEA-Parties, media presents us a a bunch of fat white guys running around in the woods in cammo playing J.I Joe, and while there is a touch of truth to that, generally speaking it is a false narrative. 

 

Sadly I have seen many proudly displayed photos of people doing just that, and that doesn't help the cause, more so to the undecided who we need to join us, those images are a turn off, internally those photo's could be helpful, but externally they just reinforce how we have been painted by the MSM, and worse yet give our enemies intelligence of what we possess.

 

Going back a nunber of years there was a term coined, and I am paraphrasing it, " win their hearts and minds and win the war,"  sadly the left has what seems like a leg up on us there, but I believe the reality is a majority of young people have minds we have already won, they just don't know about us.

 

They are a majority, but are ignored by the MSM, they don't fit the narrative, so they seem not exist. 

 

Therefore, I believe one of the most important things we can do, while we still have time before the elections, is push out the truth about who we really are, I received  an email with a nicely worded handout for the Fourth  of July and that's a good way to start a campaign to swing people, mostly young  and some elderly who are looking for something to be part of, like us, but don't no where to find us, to join in the fight with us to stop the Progressive/Socialist money and media supported machine.    

 

Ponder that overnight.

 

Wayne

                         

 

         

 

 

 

       

[Doug1943 1,614]

Glad you got that email. I wrote that leaflet.

 

Yes, there are people of all races, sexes, sexual persuasions, ages who know that something is going very wrong with our  country and who could be persuaded to do something about it.

But ... if you will look at the videos that various militia units have made .... I will give you ten dollars for every image of a non (white male), if you will give me a dollar for every image of a white male.

It's not enough to just say abstractly, oh course African Americans can join.  If all they see is white men, most of them will pass. Imagine yourself in the opposite situation.

 

There are actually some very pesuasive, intelligent people in the militia movement who openly say: "This is a white movement." They're not classical racists, they don't hate Blacks, they acknowledge that there are very intelligent Black people with excellent political views ... but they say, we should be "white-pilled", and reject patriotism  (which they call "civic nationalism" - ie. America is for all patriots regardless of race, creed or color -- in favor of "ethnc -- ie white -- nationalism".  It is a terribly misguided idea. It accepts a certain reality, and wants to make it a principle.  Instaed of only 10% of Black people being on the Right, they want to make it zero percent. It's the stupidest idea I've come across in a long time.  In war, you seek to gather allies, to unify around the immediate task, and to split your enemies, to frighten away or seduce or even buy his allies.

 

Putting some numbers to it: there are about 45 million African Americans. If only 5% might be with us in the coming struggle, that's two and a quarter million people. Anyone who would just dismiss two million people, close ouir ranks to them, is a fool or a traitor.

 

To see what I'm talking about, go on YouTube and put 'John Marks' in the search bar. He's the human face of the 'alt-right', which is making inroads into places where WE should be recruiting, i.e. the 'red-pilled' young people, mainly young men, who hate the SJWs.  But many of them have been attracted to the 'Booglaloo'  insanity, which I suspect was a creation of the glavset boys in Leningrad.

 

One of the things I want to see is the formation of a 'Strike Force' of young patriots which can carry the fight into the 'white nationalist' camp, and argue for patriotism and a militia movement open to all patriots.

 

 

 

 

[Crispus Attucks 28]

On 6/25/2020 at 5:39 PM, Doug1943 said:

Pelosi, Soros, the top Democrats .... are NOT giving AntiFa or BLM orders.

If anyone has any real evidence to the contrary,  please post it.

 

You're right. Some one/thing that at a level beyond all of them is. 

 

However, they are all different tendrils of the same organization working in parallel. And while political leaders may not be obviously giving orders, they are obviously giving approval via inaction.   

[Sgt. Bulldog 94]

48 minutes ago, Crispus Attucks said:

 

 

However, they are all different tendrils of the same organization working in parallel. And while political leaders may not be obviously giving orders, they are obviously giving approval via inaction.   

I agree with you that they are all a part of the same organization working in conjunction with each other. However, I think the political leaders are giving their approval through their actions as well as inaction. The kneeling in solidarity, the establishment of autonomous zones and  the sanctioning of removing historical statues and renaming buildings which these organizations deem offensive certainly shows the support that they have of these politicians through action.

[MBR 224]

10 minutes ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

I agree with you that they are all a part of the same organization working in conjunction with each other. However, I think the political leaders are giving their approval through their actions as well as inaction. The kneeling in solidarity, the establishment of autonomous zones and  the sanctioning of removing historical statues and renaming buildings which these organizations deem offensive certainly shows the support that they have of these politicians through action.

I believe politicians are just a single point of the rake, there are many factions involved and in the end they are all connect together, even though they may never know each other or that they are connected to each other. 

[Guest Fireeagle]

One of the fist things I would like to see is that these socialists/marxists/anarchists/brainwashed zombies STOP being called “progressives”. There is nothing progressive about their intentions. I call them REGRESSIVES. The media calling them progressives is just showing their support of their position.  That includes some on fox.   Know your enemy.

[MBR 224]

31 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

One of the fist things I would like to see is that these socialists/marxists/anarchists/brainwashed zombies STOP being called “progressives”. There is nothing progressive about their intentions. I call them REGRESSIVES. The media calling them progressives is just showing their support of their position.  That includes some on fox.   Know your enemy.

FOX News is no friend of the Conservative movement, the current FOX is not the old FOX under Murdoch. 

[Patriot.40 19]

On 4/23/2020 at 6:07 PM, Todd A. Slee said:

     How many can we afford to lose? My answer to that is, same as the Native Americans; warriors joined in battle voluntarily, were'nt penalized for not. Therefore, it's not a question of how many any entity can afford to lose, but rather a twofold question, to each individual: 1. Are you willing to die for freedom and liberty, if need be? 2. Can you afford not to resist tyranny, either peacefully or forcefully; in other words are you willing to forfeit your freedom and liberty, letting others tell you what to think and believe, where to live, where to work, who your friends are, what to do in your spare time?

     True, some efforts don't turn out so well, but much of it depends upon cause. Every truly good cause has always triumphed, sooner or later.

I truly think lack of real communication and organization is the only reason we would be at a disadvantage!  We (Miltia groups)  should organize a big event to meet and connect all groups from one state into a single force inviting others (That have been vetted) by members to bring their freinds and "Closet Patriots" to GET ORGANIZED.  Black Lives Matter & Antifa are very organized and can mass for an event very quickly. We have to be better than them at this game. I'm not talking about a bunch of guys walking around with fatuges and AR's, dragging there knuckles and marveling about each other guns!

I'm talking about a real event connecting everyone, and being prepared to mobilize to any location in yours state when needed and quickly

Watching the news about the couple in St. Louis, that stould their ground at ther home......Where are the Patriots who live there? They are getting death threats, that they will be revisited by those hate groups and killed!  If I lived nearby, I would stand watch with them!

We should be organized enough to do just that....Are We???????????

All the chatter on hear is good, but we need to take action to be ready. Organize now while we still can!

[RayanneKennan 35]

On 6/27/2020 at 7:47 PM, Doug1943 said:

We're just looking, as the Marines used to say back in old sexist days, "for a few good men". And actually women are better at this stuff than males, for which there may

be a Darwinian explanation.

 

I can be a spy. What do you want me to do? I live in Tucson.

[Crispus Attucks 28]

8 hours ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

I agree with you that they are all a part of the same organization working in conjunction with each other. However, I think the political leaders are giving their approval through their actions as well as inaction. The kneeling in solidarity, the establishment of autonomous zones and  the sanctioning of removing historical statues and renaming buildings which these organizations deem offensive certainly shows the support that they have of these politicians through action.

 

Yep!!!!! You're dead on. I was thinking of the fact that they are doing nothing to stop it. 

 

Nice catch!!!! 👍

[Travlr_45 97]

We need to have a organized event for sure.  Im definitely up for it! There are others out there as well.  

[Ghost8182 34]

On 4/23/2020 at 6:07 PM, Todd A. Slee said:

     How many can we afford to lose? My answer to that is, same as the Native Americans; warriors joined in battle voluntarily, were'nt penalized for not. Therefore, it's not a question of how many any entity can afford to lose, but rather a twofold question, to each individual: 1. Are you willing to die for freedom and liberty, if need be? 2. Can you afford not to resist tyranny, either peacefully or forcefully; in other words are you willing to forfeit your freedom and liberty, letting others tell you what to think and believe, where to live, where to work, who your friends are, what to do in your spare time?

     True, some efforts don't turn out so well, but much of it depends upon cause. Every truly good cause has always triumphed, sooner or later.

Most of us have heard this speech I hope. However it fits your post almost perfectly. From a fellow Patriot of times gone. Patrick henry

 

The last paragraph in full of his speech.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

 

[20thRegiment 66]

They’re trying to get us to snap to do a mass gun seizure 

we need to be patient and train , plan till it’s nothing but defense on our part

We are losing rights daily as well ,If we jump the gun we’ll be the evil doers 

anyone on the other side it’s considered acceptable . FN joke really

Freedom🇺🇸
 

[MBR 224]

15 minutes ago, 20thRegiment said:

They’re trying to get us to snap to do a mass gun seizure we need to be patient and train , plan till it’s nothing but defense on our part

Freedom🇺🇸

 

They don't need us to pull that one off, all it takes is for some ANTIFA boob to lose it and shoot a large number of people, many of them might even be on the side he supports, The outcry will be we need serious  gun control to prevent another racist's shooting, forget the fact the shooter was ANTIFA, that will never be broadcast or typed into a column, they, the left, will turn on their own and use them as a sacrifice to promote their cause, useful idiots are nurtured, loved and then programmed to be used, after which they will be disposed of and silenced.

 

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Edited July 7 by MBR

[Idlestorm 53]

On 4/23/2020 at 8:03 PM, serpent88 said:

everyone who signed the declaration of independence lost so much. their homes their children their wives ext. Never said any of it was pretty but its better than what they plan to do to us.

  Some men offered their blood, other their influence and their words'; They all pledged their hearts, and that's what LIBERTY is all about

 

[MBR 224]

4 minutes ago, Idlestorm said:

  Some men offered their blood, other their influence and their words'; They all pledged their hearts, and that's what LIBERTY is all about

 

And how many people around would follow the same path?

 

Talk is not walk.

[NebUS75 135]

Unfortunately that is so true today. BUT in the event of a SHTF and/or civil war in the future at least the do nothing talkers will be the first to bail; and then with those you have left Patriots can get down to business.