Are we being lured into Civil War?

[Guest C34]

At some point we’ll have to stand our ground and we will not comply or be moved.

[NebUS75 135]

I can guarantee you by 2025 this country will not resemble anything of the Great country we were born into. If anything it will go the way of the former Yugoslavia or infighting like Mexico has now with a heavy emphasis on race (more than religion.)

By 2030 it will probably be a third world crap hole (just heavily armed)

 

So sad.

[John Last 570]

1 minute ago, TIMK1975 said:

I can guarantee you by 2025 this country will not resemble anything of the Great country we were born into. If anything it will go the way of the former Yugoslavia or infighting like Mexico has now with a heavy emphasis on race (more than religion.)

By 2030 it will probably be a third world crap hole (just heavily armed)

 

So sad.

 

 

And yet, when there is still a chance to save our country through peaceful, political means (organize and get active), we choose to do nothing but get angry and advocate for an armed response.  TIMK1975 is right.  If nothing changes, we will be the shithole nobody wants... but guns won't stop "progress'.  It's the political activists who are winning the game: wise up.

[Saiga308snipe 676]

yes we are in a sense but the eniemy the leftist commies are underestimating our ability to win

Edited June 8 by david janicke
needed to add

[Travlr_45 97]

Im a newbie here, just joined today. I’ve read many of the post on this thread, not all, but many.   I don’t profess to have the answers, Nor am i blind to what is happening to our society.  I dont like it but I’m not sure how best to fix it.  Im sure the govt wants to control me,  im also sure i dont want the govt to control me.  A lot of post on here suggest civil war is the answer, or at best inevitable.  I hope not.  I hope for peace but im prepared for the alternative.  Id be up for a rally to show solidarity ( possibly armed,  ) to express ourselves legitimately.........this much im sure of, the goal is to disarm the American society, once that happens  it’s basically over for us as a free society.  So, with that in mind i would say to those who intend to take my guns........come and take it......to quote John Wayne.........im willing to die trying to keep them, are you willing to die trying to take them?

[Sgt. Bulldog 94]

Many years ago I took an oath to protect our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I never thought that I would live to see the day when we have more to fear from domestic terrorism than that of our foreign enemies. If we do not take a stand and stop the destruction of our country from within we will have a war like no one could imagine. I pray to God that I’m wrong, but fear that I’m right.

 

 

 

 

[Saiga308snipe 676]

34 minutes ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

Many years ago I took an oath to protect our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I never thought that I would live to see the day when we have more to fear from domestic terrorism than that of our foreign enemies. If we do not take a stand and stop the destruction of our country from within we will have a war like no one could imagine. I pray to God that I’m wrong, but fear that I’m right.

 

 

 

 

sooner then later where going to have to take the fight too them, art of war dont let them have the advantage and take the high ground and into positions of strength

 

https://suntzusaid.com/book/6

Sun Tzu said: Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted

Edited June 8 by david janicke

[Saiga308snipe 676]

bad moon arising i see trouble ahead hope you got your things together hope your ready for a fight looks like were in for national chaos weather

 

[Tommy O'Neil 34]

On 4/24/2020 at 8:06 AM, JPilken said:

Don’t necessarily think “in” fighting is productive I do think that healthy debate is. 
Most Americans don’t want to fire the first shot probably due to how many freedoms we still enjoy. Have some states, government agencies and politicians overstepped well yeah and what’s new? There is a breaking point but we won’t know that until we are in the middle of it. 

 

@All here,

 

I prefer peace (Sermon on The Mt.) quite frankly to all this current madness; but if we truly are in the end times then the whole rodeo is about to go down to the clowns, for the people of the earth! 

 

Regarding War you all,

 

Some here have witnessed it.  We all know it is like Hell, just the same as Hell and words cannot describe it, because it is that cruel, intolerable and insane!  No one in this high tech era should desire it for War III will come to Rich and Poor, extra terrestrials and Cave dwellers, so I do suggest going to Jesus and repenting!

 

The red horse of the Apocalypse maybe riding, but that does not translate into attacking people and hurting others.  Yes I do agree turn the cheek, but I will defend myself if pushed to far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes Sir!!!!!!!

 

This is what a marine knife, looks like!  So if you want your stomach disemboweled join in the fight, go to f-in WAR.  Live by the Sword die by it.  I detest war.  Yet yes again push me and I move in on you fast like a blade!

 

Sermon on the Mt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tommy O'Neil 34]

Sad times

 

[Roland Hat 27]

I truly believe that the Democrats are trying to get us into a civil war,  this way they can deploy the UN troops in the United states and begin door to door Gun confiscation,end our constitution, force our president out of office and bring in the New world order 

[Saiga308snipe 676]

20 minutes ago, Roland Hatten said:

I truly believe that the Democrats are trying to get us into a civil war,  this way they can deploy the UN troops in the United states and begin door to door Gun confiscation,end our constitution, force our president out of office and bring in the New world order 

they are going to do the Gun confiscation, anyway with or without a civil war so lets take it too them while we still got em, and quit ducking and putting our headupourasses and get this CIVIL WAR party started

 

Edited June 8 by david janicke

[Tommy O'Neil 34]

✞✞✞

After years of posting op-eds warning this nation of a coming storm by our own government and worldly Agenda from  days exponentially worse then the flood! I feel the clock is ticking for me.

 

Yes my Angels like Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Chamuel (Camael), Raphael, Jophiel, and Zadkiel followed by two more were provided to protect me from all sorts bad news coming my way.  Azrael and Sophia  I thank them entirely!.  My death is drawing nigh I feel it.  Good luck with the fight everyone my years of posting hopefully on all the sights have awaken this country of the enemy its our Federal Government acting as puppets to dark personages you never want to meet.  I was in this world to prophecy and be with you Christians.  I hope when they kill me you all go up to heaven in the twinkling of an eye.  Heaven is Wonderful for all left behind good luck!

 

 

Our father

who art in Heaven

Hollowed be thy name

thy kingdom come thy will be done

on earth as it is in Heaven

give us our daily bread

forgive us of our debts

as we forgive our debtors

lead us not into temptation

and deliver us from evil

for thine is the power, the glory and the kingdom

Forever

 

[John Last 570]

10 hours ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

Many years ago I took an oath to protect our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I never thought that I would live to see the day when we have more to fear from domestic terrorism than that of our foreign enemies. If we do not take a stand and stop the destruction of our country from within we will have a war like no one could imagine. I pray to God that I’m wrong, but fear that I’m right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any suggestions on how to go about taking that stand?

[Guest C34]

The people on the left feel comfortable pushing because we’ve not pushed back, yet.

 

[Sgt. Bulldog 94]

2 hours ago, John Last said:

 

 

Any suggestions on how to go about taking that stand?

There is no simple answer to that question. We must first educate people as to what their rights and duties are under the constitution. We need to expose just how damaging the democratic socialist agenda will be to life as we currently know it. We need to stand together and speak with one voice and let the politicians and the radical left in this country know that we will not stand for this destruction of our country that they want. If we fail and they turn a deaf ear to our voice and continue with the violent destruction going on throughout our country they will force us to resist with an equal or greater amount of violence. The latter is my biggest fear.

[Headhunter 515]

4 hours ago, John Last said:

 

 

Any suggestions on how to go about taking that stand?

 

First-  The President of the United States is the most popular with the military in decades, possibly since Ronald Reagan.

 

Second-  Approximately 2/3rds of the US Military consists of Republicans, or Conservatives that think of themselves as Right-Wing.  A civil war would be the greatest mistake the Left ever made.  The DIMs shouldn't expect very much support in Congress ...

 

Third-  We won't fire the first shot.  Let the onus fall onto the Left.

 

Fourth- Take a look at this Gallup poll of 2019  https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

 

Last- I have a wife (my kids are all grown-up), and I will defend her to the death.  How many of the rioters are willing to fight to the death?

 

Let them fire the first shot.  We will fire the last ones, and America will be better off for it.  Let the big, blue cities peacefully separate from Red America, if they wish (we will keep our military bases, especially, the  naval bases).  Let the Left know that inviting foreign forces onto American soil would trigger a massive military response from the most powerful military in the world.

Edited June 8 by Headhunter

[Guest Anon Cyb]

On 4/23/2020 at 3:06 PM, RevRifleman said:

How much we are being manipulated or being played?  We've seen just how heavily impacted we can be as a nation in just a few weeks time due to national 'shut-down' (Covid-19).  

 

In the midst of this, the progressives have continued if not ramp'd up their efforts to impose bigger government, nationalization of various sectors, flagrant violation of the Constitution, and gun control legislation.  Green New Deal keeps getting floated around (which is just UN Agenda 2030).  Chinese drones are being used by Law Enforcement to monitor communities and our data is being used to measure who is doing how much and where.   

 

Are they trying to draw us out into a fight?  To a degree I assume they are at a minimum testing the waters to see just how much they can get away with.  It almost feels like they're daring us to go hot just to get it over with.  The tyrants must be feeling very confident right now and they must think that they can win either way... whether or not we fight.  Maybe it is because they know they are too big to lose.  You can't wipe out what you can't wipe out... certain names and faces are often associated with this... but, every now and then I'll see some video and wonder who the heck is this person with this organization and where did they come from?  

 

Just strange times and it seems like things are coming together for the enemy while we sit idle.  

As one like myself who can see much happening in the future before it happens just almost as Nostradamus, yes they are using these people to protest and start a civil war, I have seen the visions, the only way to really defeat them is stopping communications with a cyber attack, and fighting back and not bowing down for the sake of God, God wouldn't want that I am sure anyways! So yes it is a civil war the Cabal Illuminati scum are trying to make happen, but it can be reversed, but will not be easy.

 

[Guest Fed up]

22 hours ago, Kyle said:

It's high time we stopped biting our tongues and allowing our country to turn into another shithole. While American values are being destroyed, they're naming streets after terrorist groups, cut the nuts off anyone who dare speak truth, and wtf are the police taking a knee for? The reason they keep doing what they're doing is there's been no real resistance. I'm sick of it, and I'm sick of the way everyone is bending to their takeover. We know what history says, yet we are repeating it. I've done nothing illegal and I'm not calling for a crime spree. Protecting our country IS protecting our home, family & children. I am a single, starving Veteran myself. Protecting my country is what put me in this position. I'll be damned if I will tolerate them after the suffering I've already been through. And I don't want to hear one damned thing bad about President Donald J. TRUMP. He has strategically fought our battles from day one. He is the only thing that has kept this whole country from being full blown communism already. He is NOT the enemy. I don't like every single thing he has done, but not ONE of us is perfect. He's a damn sight better than Killary, Barry or Bin Biden.

I could cuss all day but I said enough. I've had enough and when you all use your brain instead of fear, let me know. 

believe me you're not the only one that's why I'm fed up, I'm tired of people bending their will because of other people's feelings and emotions. I'm tired of politicians and Mayors and governors diluting what it means to be an American. I'm Tired of people being so polarized that they can't see past issues that the media exposes from presidents when we all don't trust the media and we understand that they aren't here to tell us the truth but we still decide to let these issues creep into how we feel and form our opinions.

[Doug1943 1,614]

Lots of crazy here.

 

And many statements that are bringing smiles to the faces of the Justice Department scribes, copying it all for future re-play in court.

 

Here's the reality:  if the militia movement -- all 10 000 members of it (okay, all 20 000 members of it) get into a shoot-out with government forces, of a government that still has widespread legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people -- then it will be destroyed.    No matter how many people in the military are conservatives, the fact is, they are not going to rebel against a government that has legitmacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people.  And you will NOT defeat the American military, if it's acting as an intact body.

 

Now ...  what are the chances that we will have a government -- I'm talking about the national government -- that does NOT have legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people?

In other words, a government that is seen by tens of millions of people -- not just by a few tens of thousands -- to have lost its democratic mandate to rule.

 

Under such circumstances, there will some coherent opposition leadership -- almost certainly made up of elected representatives -- which will be asserting its authority as the legitimate, if perhaps temporary and interim -- government. 

 

Then we can expect the military to divide, or remain neutral -- in any event, not to act as a cohesive force.  And that is the ONLY circumstance in which 'resistance' can win.

 

It is not now possible to predict how these circumstances -- a divided country, with an alternate government -- could come about.  We are in uncharted waters here.

 

But that they could come about ... it's not impossible.  The country is becoming more and more divided.  The Left has thrown in its lot with the inner-city underclass, and withillegal immigrants. If it comes to power, it may resort to confiscatory taxation.  If we're lucky, there will arise in the Far Left a genuine terrorist movement  (AntiFa is a joke), that will begin to bomb police stations and assassinate those it doesn't like.  (The left-nationalist Montoneros in Argentina in the early 70s were 'urban guerillas', under a democratically-elected regime they didn't like.  Finally, after years of bombings and assassinations,  which killed over a thousand soldiers and policemen, the military made a coup, and wiped out the Montoneros (and anyone else they didn't like) utterly.

 

The Montoneros, and a similar group, the ERP (Revolutionary Armed Forces of the People) were FAR more professional and serious and committed than the militia movement in the US today, by the way. They were mainly young middle-class ex-students without family committements. (More about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros    However, be warned that this particular Wiki article is very poorly written, and shows signs of partisan Leftist influence.)   The result of all their killing was to turn Argentine public opinion against them ... so that the military coup was tolerated, even blamed on the Leftist killers for provoking it.

 

No one knows the future. There are too many unknowns. Another possible path would be for the US to get a far Left government with only a partial democratic mandate. This happened to Salvador Allende in Chile, elected with a 35% plurality of the vote in a multi-candidate election, who never had more than 50% of the public with him, and whose attempts to introduce socialism led to chaos, and finally to a military coup.  The Far Left helped things along when it assassinated a conservative politician.  Like some people in the militia movement today, the Far Left (the MIR, 'Movement of the Revolutionary Left' ) generated a lot of chest-pounding hot-air, and actually probably had about 5000 armed members, with a base in the slums.  They were utterly annihilated.

 

So long as the national government has legitimacy in the eyes of the American people, armed confrontation would be suicide, and would destroy the hopes of renewing the Republic (perhaps on a smaller territory than the US now occupies). In addition, so long as civil liberties are maintained, it would be anti-democratic -- opposed to the very idea for which we should be standing, a republic whose leaders are chosen by the people, under the rule of law. 

 

Until we have a government that has demonstrated its lack of legitimacy, we must be legal and peaceful. 

 

There is so much to do that we can do  legally and peacefully that we are not doing right now!

[Travlr_45 97]

8 hours ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

There is no simple answer to that question. We must first educate people as to what their rights and duties are under the constitution. We need to expose just how damaging the democratic socialist agenda will be to life as we currently know it. We need to stand together and speak with one voice and let the politicians and the radical left in this country know that we will not stand for this destruction of our country that they want. If we fail and they turn a deaf ear to our voice and continue with the violent destruction going on throughout our country they will force us to resist with an equal or greater amount of violence. The latter is my biggest fear.

I doubt there is any chance of convincing the millennials, or generation X or the educational system that has radically brainwashed the youth in this country.  They seem to only know what they want. And that is for someone else to take care of them.   I fear we are to close to the cliff moving at to high a speed to stop the inevitable.  This will not end well.   
 

Regarding this idea of “ defunding “ the police id like to see the nations intire police force take a 2 week vacation......all at the same time.  Mama always said be careful what ya ask for!

Edited June 9 by Travlr_45

[Tantrum 6]

3 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Lots of crazy here.

 

And many statements that are bringing smiles to the faces of the Justice Department scribes, copying it all for future re-play in court.

 

Here's the reality:  if the militia movement -- all 10 000 members of it (okay, all 20 000 members of it) get into a shoot-out with government forces, of a government that still has widespread legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people -- then it will be destroyed.    No matter how many people in the military are conservatives, the fact is, they are not going to rebel against a government that has legitmacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people.  And you will NOT defeat the American military, if it's acting as an intact body.

 

Now ...  what are the chances that we will have a government -- I'm talking about the national government -- that does NOT have legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people?

In other words, a government that is seen by tens of millions of people -- not just by a few tens of thousands -- to have lost its democratic mandate to rule.

 

Under such circumstances, there will some coherent opposition leadership -- almost certainly made up of elected representatives -- which will be asserting its authority as the legitimate, if perhaps temporary and interim -- government. 

 

Then we can expect the military to divide, or remain neutral -- in any event, not to act as a cohesive force.  And that is the ONLY circumstance in which 'resistance' can win.

 

It is not now possible to predict how these circumstances -- a divided country, with an alternate government -- could come about.  We are in uncharted waters here.

 

But that they could come about ... it's not impossible.  The country is becoming more and more divided.  The Left has thrown in its lot with the inner-city underclass, and withillegal immigrants. If it comes to power, it may resort to confiscatory taxation.  If we're lucky, there will arise in the Far Left a genuine terrorist movement  (AntiFa is a joke), that will begin to bomb police stations and assassinate those it doesn't like.  (The left-nationalist Montoneros in Argentina in the early 70s were 'urban guerillas', under a democratically-elected regime they didn't like.  Finally, after years of bombings and assassinations,  which killed over a thousand soldiers and policemen, the military made a coup, and wiped out the Montoneros (and anyone else they didn't like) utterly.

 

The Montoneros, and a similar group, the ERP (Revolutionary Armed Forces of the People) were FAR more professional and serious and committed than the militia movement in the US today, by the way. They were mainly young middle-class ex-students without family committements. (More about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros    However, be warned that this particular Wiki article is very poorly written, and shows signs of partisan Leftist influence.)   The result of all their killing was to turn Argentine public opinion against them ... so that the military coup was tolerated, even blamed on the Leftist killers for provoking it.

 

No one knows the future. There are too many unknowns. Another possible path would be for the US to get a far Left government with only a partial democratic mandate. This happened to Salvador Allende in Chile, elected with a 35% plurality of the vote in a multi-candidate election, who never had more than 50% of the public with him, and whose attempts to introduce socialism led to chaos, and finally to a military coup.  The Far Left helped things along when it assassinated a conservative politician.  Like some people in the militia movement today, the Far Left (the MIR, 'Movement of the Revolutionary Left' ) generated a lot of chest-pounding hot-air, and actually probably had about 5000 armed members, with a base in the slums.  They were utterly annihilated.

 

So long as the national government has legitimacy in the eyes of the American people, armed confrontation would be suicide, and would destroy the hopes of renewing the Republic (perhaps on a smaller territory than the US now occupies). In addition, so long as civil liberties are maintained, it would be anti-democratic -- opposed to the very idea for which we should be standing, a republic whose leaders are chosen by the people, under the rule of law. 

 

Until we have a government that has demonstrated its lack of legitimacy, we must be legal and peaceful. 

 

There is so much to do that we can do  legally and peacefully that we are not doing right now!

 

This is exactly the kind of sense talking we need. Everyone needs to generate an overwhelming amount of propaganda. That’s what we are currently fighting, a Cold War of propaganda. So how’s the American public opinion goes history. 
 

Stop remaining silent and start networking with everyone you know. Too many militia members fulfill the stereo type. This was is fought in suits with handshakes, not plate carriers with grenades. 
 

Prepare to preserver liberty at all cost and with physical force if necessary. But peaceful means are far more fruitful...

[Saiga308snipe 676]

15 minutes ago, Tantrum said:

 

This is exactly the kind of sense talking we need. Everyone needs to generate an overwhelming amount of propaganda. That’s what we are currently fighting, a Cold War of propaganda. So how’s the American public opinion goes history. 
 

Stop remaining silent and start networking with everyone you know. Too many militia members fulfill the stereo type. This was is fought in suits with handshakes, not plate carriers with grenades. 
 

Prepare to preserver liberty at all cost and with physical force if necessary. But peaceful means are far more fruitful...

i dont want to be sitting waiting around and being pick off like a piece of fruit from a tree

Edited June 9 by Saiga308snipe

[Guest Fed up]

4 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Lots of crazy here.

 

And many statements that are bringing smiles to the faces of the Justice Department scribes, copying it all for future re-play in court.

 

Here's the reality:  if the militia movement -- all 10 000 members of it (okay, all 20 000 members of it) get into a shoot-out with government forces, of a government that still has widespread legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people -- then it will be destroyed.    No matter how many people in the military are conservatives, the fact is, they are not going to rebel against a government that has legitmacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people.  And you will NOT defeat the American military, if it's acting as an intact body.

 

Now ...  what are the chances that we will have a government -- I'm talking about the national government -- that does NOT have legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people?

In other words, a government that is seen by tens of millions of people -- not just by a few tens of thousands -- to have lost its democratic mandate to rule.

 

Under such circumstances, there will some coherent opposition leadership -- almost certainly made up of elected representatives -- which will be asserting its authority as the legitimate, if perhaps temporary and interim -- government. 

 

Then we can expect the military to divide, or remain neutral -- in any event, not to act as a cohesive force.  And that is the ONLY circumstance in which 'resistance' can win.

 

It is not now possible to predict how these circumstances -- a divided country, with an alternate government -- could come about.  We are in uncharted waters here.

 

But that they could come about ... it's not impossible.  The country is becoming more and more divided.  The Left has thrown in its lot with the inner-city underclass, and withillegal immigrants. If it comes to power, it may resort to confiscatory taxation.  If we're lucky, there will arise in the Far Left a genuine terrorist movement  (AntiFa is a joke), that will begin to bomb police stations and assassinate those it doesn't like.  (The left-nationalist Montoneros in Argentina in the early 70s were 'urban guerillas', under a democratically-elected regime they didn't like.  Finally, after years of bombings and assassinations,  which killed over a thousand soldiers and policemen, the military made a coup, and wiped out the Montoneros (and anyone else they didn't like) utterly.

 

The Montoneros, and a similar group, the ERP (Revolutionary Armed Forces of the People) were FAR more professional and serious and committed than the militia movement in the US today, by the way. They were mainly young middle-class ex-students without family committements. (More about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros    However, be warned that this particular Wiki article is very poorly written, and shows signs of partisan Leftist influence.)   The result of all their killing was to turn Argentine public opinion against them ... so that the military coup was tolerated, even blamed on the Leftist killers for provoking it.

 

No one knows the future. There are too many unknowns. Another possible path would be for the US to get a far Left government with only a partial democratic mandate. This happened to Salvador Allende in Chile, elected with a 35% plurality of the vote in a multi-candidate election, who never had more than 50% of the public with him, and whose attempts to introduce socialism led to chaos, and finally to a military coup.  The Far Left helped things along when it assassinated a conservative politician.  Like some people in the militia movement today, the Far Left (the MIR, 'Movement of the Revolutionary Left' ) generated a lot of chest-pounding hot-air, and actually probably had about 5000 armed members, with a base in the slums.  They were utterly annihilated.

 

So long as the national government has legitimacy in the eyes of the American people, armed confrontation would be suicide, and would destroy the hopes of renewing the Republic (perhaps on a smaller territory than the US now occupies). In addition, so long as civil liberties are maintained, it would be anti-democratic -- opposed to the very idea for which we should be standing, a republic whose leaders are chosen by the people, under the rule of law. 

 

Until we have a government that has demonstrated its lack of legitimacy, we must be legal and peaceful. 

 

There is so much to do that we can do  legally and peacefully that we are not doing right now!

20000 militia members laughable these are just the people that are on the internet.

[Guest Fed up]

25 minutes ago, Saiga308snipe said:

i dont want to be sitting waiting around and being pick off like a piece of fruit from a tree

We do need to continue to promote peaceful separation to have moral authority with the neocons but we also need to plan for when things go hot because they will.