Are we being lured into Civil War?

[John Last 570]

10 hours ago, Sgt. Bulldog said:

There is no simple answer to that question. We must first educate people as to what their rights and duties are under the constitution. We need to expose just how damaging the democratic socialist agenda will be to life as we currently know it. We need to stand together and speak with one voice and let the politicians and the radical left in this country know that we will not stand for this destruction of our country that they want. If we fail and they turn a deaf ear to our voice and continue with the violent destruction going on throughout our country they will force us to resist with an equal or greater amount of violence. The latter is my biggest fear.

 

 

I fully agree: no simple answer.  It's going to take lots of effort, and I don't mean FTX type.  First thing you have to do is identify folks who are with us, and are willing to speak out.  For example: family, folks at church, men's fellowship, bowling team, concerned PTO parents etc.  Get together with them and set some goals; like changing the textbooks at school, stopping over-reaching city or county laws, helping to elect constitutionally minded candidates. etc.

 

After you have the goals, you need to make yourselves heard. 

 

If you think Agenda 2030 is abusive to our constitutional rights, make fliers saying why, and pass them out.

 

Rent a table at the gun show or County Fair to talk issues and recruit for the militia unit or political action team.  Speaking at PTO/school board meetings, city/county council meetings etc.  I thought about renting a room at the local library to present a free talk on civics, our form of government, the constitution etc. 

 

If you make yourselves visible, I can just about guarantee you'll gather support... remember there are always those who will disagree and try to disrupt your message, so have a plan to deal with them (security for the speech for example).  Most people are simply waiting for someone to step up and show them the way forward.

 

Sun Tsu would be proud that you choose to fight the battle where no blood is spilled.

 

Edited June 9 by John Last

[Doug1943 1,614]

8 hours ago, Tantrum said:

 

This is exactly the kind of sense talking we need. Everyone needs to generate an overwhelming amount of propaganda. That’s what we are currently fighting, a Cold War of propaganda. So how’s the American public opinion goes history. 
 

Stop remaining silent and start networking with everyone you know. Too many militia members fulfill the stereo type. This was is fought in suits with handshakes, not plate carriers with grenades. 
 

Prepare to preserver liberty at all cost and with physical force if necessary. But peaceful means are far more fruitful...

Yes!

But ... building a well-trained, well-armed militia unit -- plates and all -- is NOT counterposed to getting out and doing the necessary propaganda/political work.

 

A unit which is isolated from its community is like an infantry battalion which has camped in an open field, when it could have been under the cover of a nearby forest.

 

The enemy is not going to first attack physically. They're going to try to use the legal system. The more people who have met militia members, ideally on some sort of community work project; the more people who have read interviews with our leaders; the more people who have read  our press releases stressing our committment to the American values shared by almost everyone ' the more people who have read good arguments in the comments/letter-to-the-editor page of their local newspaper --- the harder it will be for the enemy to mount a successful legal attack.

 

To see the truth of this, read about the case of Angela Davis  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis    ].  She was almost certainly guilty of being part of a plot to break some politicized criminals out of jail, which ended up with several innocent people dead.. But the Left waged a huge propaganda campaign in her favor, and so the jury voted to acquit.  'Political' trials often are influenced not by what the law says, or how eloquent your attorney is, but by public opinion.   We want as much public opinion on our side as we can get.

 

Read Mao on guerilla warfare. He understood that it was necessary to get the peasantry to be on his side, or at least to be neutral. That's why every batallion of the Peoples Liberation Army had ten 'propaganda officers'. We must do the same.

 

 

[Guest C34]

I am in no way in favor of a “Civil War.” Each day I pray that people will return to the Lord. But I will defend my family my property and community. As a man, that is my job.  
 

We have to vote! We have to run for city councils and school boards.

[Doug1943 1,614]

25 minutes ago, C34 said:

I am in no way in favor of a “Civil War.” Each day I pray that people will return to the Lord. But I will defend my family my property and community. As a man, that is my job.  
 

We have to vote! We have to run for city councils and school boards.

This is 110% correct.

 

Militia people in Montana, Idaho and Kentucky -- 25 years ago -- met with great success after going into politics.  Timothy McVeigh pretty much killed the militia movement, but we can learn from what happened then, not make their mistakes, and try to repeat what they did right.

 

Note: in local elections, a group of 25 people who will turn up on a Saturday to leaflet or go door to door or man a phone bank, is a precious asset. Even if militia members do NOT go into politics directly, they can greatly extend the influence of the militia movement by taking part in politics.

 

Example: for local elections (city council, school board etc) , invite the candidates to come speak to a meeting of your group.  (Get your spouses and friends etc to come along to swell the numbers.) You don't have to endorse anyone -- I think it would be a mistake for the militia movement to officially link up to any party, as we want people from the Libertarian and Constitution parties to join as well, and even any eccentric pro-liberty Democrats, if they exist.  A candidate who comes to speak will then note that you are a political force ... maybe not a large one, but a real one. It also legitimizes you, as you then follow up such a meeting with a Press Release --  "The Friends of Liberty Mutual Assistance Group hosted a debate last night between candidates for the local school board.  Its members put pointed questions to the candidates, who sometimes answered directly. Some of the questions asked were about school safety, firearms safety training, and honoring our veterans." if there were a reasonable amount of people there, include a photograph (taken from the rear of the room). Free publicity.

 

In the California Bay Area in the early-mid 1970s, a crazy con man named Jim Jones started the 'Peoples Temple'. It was, in effect, a socialist church, with a strong welfare component (it ran a retirement home, for example). Jones could turn out several hundred door-bell ringers and leaflet distributors in local elections,  and this made local leftwing polticians defer to him, even when the inevitable began to happen. [More information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple]

 

As well as hosting meetings for candidates, militia movement members should join whatever political party they support, and be active in it, if they have the time. If you do this, you will meet and possibly make friends with people whose support will be important in the future.  You may also find militia recruits.  Just going to a few envelope-stuffing and telephone-call-making parties can reap real dividends in terms of contacts, and overcoming the isolation of the militia movement.

 

 

[NebUS75 135]

On 6/8/2020 at 12:34 AM, Saiga308snipe said:

they are going to do the Gun confiscation, anyway with or without a civil war so lets take it too them while we still got em, and quit ducking and putting our headupourasses and get this CIVIL WAR party started

 

With the way the Left/socialists have gotten so well organized and funded we all already well behind the curve in getting ready for a fight. Also with a Democratic sweep in the next elections looking more certain every week you can believe their will be a slew of anti-gun and anti-police legislation arriving in 2021-2022.

(Not even going to mention bill for "reparations" being forwarded and fast tracked.)

[2 Cents 136]

The common theme here is peaceful protest. Let me know how that works out. How are you supposed to gather when ALL of the social networking sites are controlled, monitored and censored by the left. Can't join a cause you don't know about. We don't live in a world where you will get attention by yelling in a park or at a state capitol. You need the internet. The internet will block the "right wing" from gathering... but not the left. I don't want to wake up one day and be surrounded by more bad people with guns than I have bullets in mine. You don't peacefuly talk down a school bully, you'll just get your ass whooped again. No, you deal with a bully by beating him down, so bad he will never again stand against you. That is what our country needs. We need a mass reset of govt. And I don't plan on talking. 

[NebUS75 135]

Amen to that... I am a peaceful guy but damned if I will let a Great country like this turn into something  like South Africa or b.s like that. 

[Doug1943 1,614]

Okay.  Let's say all the militia movement plus random armed patrots "get the civil war started". 

 

What does that mean?  Well, you need to seize Washington DC,  all the state capitols, and all the military bases. That's probably about 100 places. Say there are 50 000 armed rebels ...

you will have an average of about 500 people for each target -- but that's just an average, you'll probably need a few more for Washington.

 

Now ... I know there are people who fantasize that should this happen the 'American people' will rise up with you. They probably think this, even without chemical help.

 

But ... should something like this occur ... there will be a million police and a million soldiers, and the great majority of the American people, opposed to you.

 

So you will be crushed.  If you're lucky, you'll join Schaeffer Cox and can have long discussions with him about tactics, FBI informers etc. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schaeffer_Cox]

In fact, you can probably write to Schaeffer right now, and he can tell you what your new accommodation will be like.  (And it will be free, with free meals ... socialism, how ironic!)

 

The real irony is, all this talk about 'acting now', etc. is of course just letting off steam -- there's no real intention to go out and start shooting.  I understand that! Every day, some more

news comes in about the barbarians blasting away another foundation of Western civilization. (I've just learned that the Law Professor at my old alma mater is under strong attack because

he wrote something criticizing BLM. Thousands of student, AND HIS COLLEAGUES AND FORMER FRIENDS, have signed a petition to get him fired.)

 

But no matter how impatient a father or mother to be wants that baby, it's still going to take at least six, and ideally nine, months. You can't have it at three months, even if you really really

want to.  You want your country back now?  Sorry, you can't have it back now.

 

YOU'VE GOT TO WORK FOR IT!   You've got to do boring mundane things, like hand out leaflets, sit at tables at gun shows, read books about how real revolutions (not Hollywood fantasties) occur. Start with Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution, available in free download here: https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/index.htm

 

What is ironic is whenever I read someone say, "I'm not just going to sit around and wait for my guns to be confiscated"  what they are actually saying is: "I'm not going to go out and hand out leaflets and sit at tables and organize training sessions and put out press releases and organize a Fourth of July celebration and join the Republican Party and go to an envelope-stuffing session .. NO, not me!  I'm going to .... sit here and wait for my guns to be confiscated."

 

Over and over, I've read the sneering bs about other people just sitting around, while the he-man is going to go out and ...   do nothing.  (Or maybe, like the 'Boogaloo' idiots in Las Vegas, get himself arrested and sent off to the Free Hotel for a few years.)

 

This sort of stuff actually hinders the militia movement.  It helps the Left! 

 

So to anyone reading this ... all the crap about "Let's start shooting now" is just bs. It's hot air. It may even, by some people, be consciously designed to scare away sane people, who know that we are about one-hundredth the size of any real serious movement.  So stick around. You just have to put up with this silly stuff, which has ZERO connection to reality.

 

Sorry to sound irritated, but it's irritating.   Use your brains, people!!!!

The crazy Left has given Americans a taste of what's to come with these occupations. They've overshot the mark, and are beginning to erode the moral authority that those cops in Minneapolis gave them.

 

  It's a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for us!   The Progressives must be kicking themselves right now. AntiFa and BLM are giving the game away.

Let's throw ourselves into reaching out .... to the police, to ordinary people whose businesses and jobs are threatened ... we can double or triple our numbers in the next few months ... maybe even do better than that. 

 

You have to go to war with the army you've got.  That's a truism. But sometimes -- and this is one of them -- you get to choose when to go to war.

The enemy would love for us to go to war right now.  We would be swept away, and there would be nothing to impede the march of the Left to total power.

 

If we have to go to war, let's go to war when we're ready to do so, which means when we have adequate numbers, AND when the Left have discredited themselves in the eyes of tens of millions of Americans -- including in the military and police -- and have made them ready to support us.

 

And we have to have a rational war aim, which we have not discussed much yet. 

 

Anything else will be suicide.

[2 Cents 136]

Well Demosthenes, when you're right your right. So what's your plan? What should be our "war aim"?

[Doug1943 1,614]

1 hour ago, 2 Cents said:

Well Demosthenes, when you're right your right. So what's your plan? What should be our "war aim"?

Well, it shouldn't be the one Demosthenes advocated, i.e go out and give battle to Philip and then get slaughtered. (Even with the mighty Thebans as our allies.)

Okay, that was not a 'war aim'.

 

Our war aim in the most general sense is the war aim of every combatant in every war there ever was: to prevent being defeated  by the enemy.

It has to be put this way -- "to prevent being defeated" -- rather than "to defeat" -- to take into account the many different kinds of wars that there are and have been and will be.

 

Sometimes it's the traditional one: defeat the enemy, destroy his ability to resist, followed by occupation of his territory.  Iraq was like that. We won. Ha ha ha.

But sometimes it's just to get the enemy to stop fighting you, while you retreat (if you're on enemy soil), so that you can rearm, grow another generation of soldiers,

and then attack him.

 

World War I was like that, for the Germans. (But they repeated their error of WWI: don't fight everyone at once. You may be able to

whip any man in the bar, but you are unlikely to whip them all at the same time.)

 

Sometimes it's just to make the enemy withdraw his soldiers from a disputed piece of ground, so that you can take over and rule it.

Kosovo was like that, for the Albanians.  And for all the other factions, each of which ended up with their own bit of the former Yugoslavia to rule.

It was like that for the Turks in Cyprus: drive the Greeks out of 40% of the island, so that your 20% of the population could rule it.

It was like that for the American revolutionists: they weren't going to seize England, or even Canada.  They just wanted to make the British leave.

 

Note that the British could probably have stayed in the 13 colonies for much longer: it would just have bankrupted them because they  would have

had to commit so many resources to doing it.

 

You don't necessarily have to defeat your enemy in an all-out engagement.  The British conquered Ireland hundreds of years ago.  Nothing new there.

But when mainland Britain -- England, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall -- went Protestant, the stage was set for a long war: the British colonized Ireland

with Protestants, and suppressed the Catholic majority: you couldn't even enter the professions if you were a Catholic. (This was true everywhere in Britain,

not just Ireland. Equal no-opportunity.) The Irish rose against the English (let's use 'English' instead of 'British' -- as the Irish do) again and again.

They were always defeated, followed by mass executions and repression.

 

Then ... the British got involved in World War I -- and "England's difficulty is Ireland's opportunity" -- and there was one more rising (Easter, 1916) not

really supported by the majority of Irish Catholics -- until the English stupidly hung all the Rising's leaders.  Then, when the big war was over, the little one in

Ireland began. You could hardly even call it guerilla war -- mainly a lot of terrorism. ('Terror' being when the other guy does it.)  

 

Churchill ( in 1922, not the prime minister at that point)  finally sat down with the leader of the Irish guerillas  [Michael Collins, 'the Big Fellow' (see below) ] to negotiate. 

Churchill told him a hard truth: he said, something like "Look here, old chap! You can't possibly win. I can put a soldier in Ireland for every man, woman and child there."

And Collins replied, "Sure you can. But you'll have to keep them there forever."  And he was right, so Churchill negotiated a British withdrawal from the 26 of Ireland's 32 counties --

ie from the counties where the Catholics were a majority. And he made the Irish accept something less than full paper independence -- they got effective independence but the

British got some face-saving features, which the Irish majority leaders wisely accepted: they became a Dominion and members of their parliament had to take an oath

of loyalty to the King of England. (Okay, of Great Britain but nobody says that.) 

 

This set off a really brutal civil war within the Irish side, which the compromisers   -the Free State -- won. By 1937 they had completely repudiated the treaty

and became a fully-independent Repubic. The six northern counties, where the Catholics were a minority, remained in the UK.

(They will be a majority there -- ie in the Six Counties -- soon and the civil war will resume, with the Six Counties finally rejoining the Republic. and the Protestants

either dying, submitting, or fleeing to the mainland. This will probably happen within the next ten years or so.)

 

Sorry for the history lesson, which you probably know already and maybe better than I do, but ... it's these sorts of wars we have to know about.  Yes, we must learn

individual 'sub-tactics' -- when and how to throw a grenade so as to get an air burst --  and tactics -- fire and maneuver -- and strategy -- cut the enemy's supply lines -- but

what we really need to know -- or what our leaders, when they emerge, must know -- is 'super-strategy' ... "war aims".   These are political, and, to shorten von Clausewitz,

war is just armed politics.

 

So, what should be our war aim: to emerge with a state where we -- patriots -- are the overwhelming majority. We cannot conquer nor can we convert, the

majority (as it soon will be, if it's not now) of 'Blue Americans'.  You can see that with the grovelling to AntiFa. These people have lost all sense of pride

in their civilization. Their followers just want their free stuff. This is not reversible.

 

In some places, like Yugoslavia or Cyprus, one of the ways you do that is to kill or drive out the other side. Or, if you are a majority in a territory which

is so constituted that there is no place for the other side to go, to kill and terrorize them  and keep your foot on their necks forever: Sri Lanka is an example.

Or if you are overwhelmingly  strong compared to your enemy, just occupy and keep killing and terrorizing, and then, if you've got the people,  overwhelm the natives by immigration until they are a minority.  Tibet, Kashmir, the American territories taken from Mexico, are examples where this has happened or is in the process of happening.

 

For the conquered minority, if they think they have a chance to do it, it's to drive the occupiers out:

Kashmir is currently an example where the occupied, or many of them, think they have a chance, since they have a relatively strong

neighbor to join with when they leave India. The Muslims of Burma foolishly thought they had a chance to do this, so they started killing

Burmese policemen and soldiers. Big mistake.

 

The Tibetans are too weak, and know it. 

 

The conquered population in the American Southwest have assimilated pretty well to the nation of their conquerors, and anyway Mexico doesn't look very attractive.

The few 'Chicano' nationalists there at one point had a fantasy goal, called 'Aztlan'. With mass immigration, and the US in the process of disintegration, we might see a revival of nationalism among them. If Mexico were not a drug-lord-ridden shithole, and had a relatively stable and prosperous economy, it would already probably have happened.

 

So what's our case: it's obvious, but the answer is so radical in all of its implications, that people who mention it aren't really taken seriously.

If the great majority of the patriots were all concentrated in a few states, where they then made up the great majority of the population -- and vice versa,

with respect to the anti-patriots ('Blue America') the case would be not just obvious, but would look relatively do-able.

 

But, unfortunately, we are a kind of political Yugoslavia.  Very intermixed.  Don't look at a state-by-state electoral map, look at a county-by-county one, to see this.

 

Many of the patriots cannot do elementary projection of trends, and live in a dream-world where the Good Old Days will come again because, because, because ...

... kids grow up and become conservative, illegal immigration will be stopped, the other side will discredit themselves, there's the Constitution with

the electoral college and 2 senators per state and the (immortal) Supreme Court, etc.

 

Maybe they're right.  (I also post on a couple of Republican forums, and the optimism of some of them is really admirable.) And .. maybe they're right.

 

If they're not, which I don't think they are, again the answer is obvious, just extremely unpleasant.

 

So I won't spell it out. It really shouldn't became a major topic of discussion on this forum.

 

So much for war aims.  But whether the optimists are right or not, we still need a large, strong militia. Hundreds of thousand of armed, organized patriots, with millions of strong

supporters, and tens of millions of people who range from mildly sympathetic, over to not-hostile.  (Sort of the way Progressives think about antiFa.) 

 

Those here who are book-readers, must read the book I've linked ot below, as weird as it seems to be recommending it. It's very well written, and if you can overcome your antipathy

to the aims of the author, you will learn lessons as valuable as gold, because it's a manual of how to conquer power, and how not to. For both this book and for the short video which follows, the key lesson is: build up your strength, which can be done even under really repressive conditions, and then wait for events -- which will NOT just drop power into your lap but which have to be responded to intelligently, probably involving compromises with the enemy, alliances with unreliable allies, all the realities of politics.

 

The book is here, it's free, it's long but it's well written, and you will learn a LOT from it: I'm writing a brief background to fill readers in on the necessary pre-history,

and explain some of the names and vocabulary, which the author assumed, in 1929, that his readers would know, but which have now faded into history. (Many of

the names in the book 'faded' abruptly via a bullet just ten years later in Stalin's great purges.)

 

If only a few of our national leaders (who are yet to emerge) will read and assimilate the lessons of this book, we will greatly increase our chances for

victory in the future: https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/index.htm

 

And in the meantime, a short video that everyone should watch.  (There is a movie worth seeing too, The Wind that Shakes the Barley, which is not too unrealistic, about the same subject.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tommy O'Neil 34]

7 hours ago, 2 Cents said:

The common theme here is peaceful protest. Let me know how that works out. How are you supposed to gather when ALL of the social networking sites are controlled, monitored and censored by the left. Can't join a cause you don't know about. We don't live in a world where you will get attention by yelling in a park or at a state capitol. You need the internet. The internet will block the "right wing" from gathering... but not the left. I don't want to wake up one day and be surrounded by more bad people with guns than I have bullets in mine. You don't peacefuly talk down a school bully, you'll just get your ass whooped again. No, you deal with a bully by beating him down, so bad he will never again stand against you. That is what our country needs. We need a mass reset of govt. And I don't plan on talking. 

 

So you are an insurrectionist?

 

 

Tell me how to fight all their weaponry and see more Christians die, what the fuck for asshole.  You want to stir a revolution go kill the 13 bloodiness of the Illuminati and while you are at be sure to get these guys, Satan, Lilith and Azazel they're all here let me see you do that so we all just wait to go to heaven in twinkling of an eye.  You all know the fuck since everyone is so happy to go to hell and live in violence I'll show you where its at!

 

 

[John Last 570]

I don't know all the things you will need to win, but I do know it will be impossible to win without popular support. That's where I'd start.  How do you get it?  You determine what you support and what you don't.  For example, you might say we support Black Lives Matter... UNTIL they start burning and looting and hurting innocent people etc., which puts them on the other side of liberty and justice for all.  

 

I haven't done it, but you can easily find the socialist/anarchist guidebook for de-stabilizing regimes.  Learn their tricks and go after their weaknesses: half-truth, innuendo and strong arm tactics... IIRC it's titled Rules for Radicals.  Use their tactics against them: be deceptive and underhanded.  For every antifa action show the innocent victims, etc.  For every "failure of Capitalism" show them a failed socialist utopia.  I guarantee you that every hard working, peace loving American will rally to the call if they understand what's at stake.  And, believe it or not, that really is the majority of Americans, even if some have been sold a bill of goods by the media and one-world hucksters.  We all know that we have shortcomings in our system of government, but disbanding the police, for example, won't change human nature or reduce crime.  As they use half-truths, don't be afraid to do the same.  Instead of government mandated Obamacare, why not a universal, private, bare bones health insurance plan. 

 

The basic difference is; instead of the government providing everything for us (which will cost you everything: Venezuela) the government will provide opportunities for everyone (Trump's economy before the virus was doing pretty well).

 

That said, don't expect to achieve victory without a fight... so don't stop being prepared.

[Doug1943 1,614]

You've hit the nail on the head, especially in the reference to health care.  What gives the Left an advantage, is that the Republicans were, before the victory of Mr Trump, the party of socialism-for-the-rich, plus social conservatism for everyone else.  (Note that in 2008, when the banksters lost their gambling bets, their losses were covered by the taxpayer (and the taxpayers' children and grandchildren). They were the recipients of socialism for the rich. Not so the people who lost their homes. Both parties did this.)  We have got to do better -- how, I'm not sure.  Healthcare will be central -- and I've got an idea that the way ferociously-capitalist Singapore does its healthcare and other social welfare systems may have lessons for us. The culture is different there -- I think it's not just shameful to be unemployed, it may actually be illegal. But there may be lessons to be learned.)

 

As we have lost the culture war, beating the social conservatism drum, while shipping American jobs abroad, was working less and less well. Thus Mr Obama. And we would be under President Hillary, had Trump not won the primary and then managed to get into the White House via the peculiarities of the Electoral College system.  He hasn't, maybe hasn't been able, to get much of his program through. Our troops are still in Absurdistan, where the mutually-hostile tribes have just refused to learn good manners.  And we have no massive infrastructure projects which might help the job situation even more. But it's also the case, or so some argue, that he's being held hostage by the Republican tops: first over impeachment, now over re-election ... but if he wins re election, he can follow his non-interventionist and Make America Great Again instincts. I sure hope so.

 

But in the long run, I think we have lost the country -- that is, I don't think even a 'Republican Workers Party' can withstand the onslaught of the Left.  But no one knows the future and as you say,  we must not stop being prepared.  (However ... I don't think we'll ever be well-armed enough to take on the "13 bloodiness of the Illuminati" and  "Satan, Lilith and Azazel". Azazel might be satisfied with a sacrificed goat, but that Lilith ... no way I'm going after her: she's been made the patron saint of several modern feminist projects, so you'd be fighting REAL demons instead of imaginary ones if you tried attacking her. And as for the Illuminati ... we need a couple of them right now to advise us! )

[Tommy O'Neil 34]

1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

You've hit the nail on the head, especially in the reference to health care.  What gives the Left an advantage, is that the Republicans were, before the victory of Mr Trump, the party of socialism-for-the-rich, plus social conservatism for everyone else.  (Note that in 2008, when the banksters lost their gambling bets, their losses were covered by the taxpayer (and the taxpayers' children and grandchildren). They were the recipients of socialism for the rich. Not so the people who lost their homes. Both parties did this.)  We have got to do better -- how, I'm not sure.  Healthcare will be central -- and I've got an idea that the way ferociously-capitalist Singapore does its healthcare and other social welfare systems may have lessons for us. The culture is different there -- I think it's not just shameful to be unemployed, it may actually be illegal. But there may be lessons to be learned.)

 

As we have lost the culture war, beating the social conservatism drum, while shipping American jobs abroad, was working less and less well. Thus Mr Obama. And we would be under President Hillary, had Trump not won the primary and then managed to get into the White House via the peculiarities of the Electoral College system.  He hasn't, maybe hasn't been able, to get much of his program through. Our troops are still in Absurdistan, where the mutually-hostile tribes have just refused to learn good manners.  And we have no massive infrastructure projects which might help the job situation even more. But it's also the case, or so some argue, that he's being held hostage by the Republican tops: first over impeachment, now over re-election ... but if he wins re election, he can follow his non-interventionist and Make America Great Again instincts. I sure hope so.

 

But in the long run, I think we have lost the country -- that is, I don't think even a 'Republican Workers Party' can withstand the onslaught of the Left.  But no one knows the future and as you say,  we must not stop being prepared.  (However ... I don't think we'll ever be well-armed enough to take on the "13 bloodiness of the Illuminati" and  "Satan, Lilith and Azazel". Azazel might be satisfied with a sacrificed goat, but that Lilith ... no way I'm going after her: she's been made the patron saint of several modern feminist projects, so you'd be fighting REAL demons instead of imaginary ones if you tried attacking her. And as for the Illuminati ... we need a couple of them right now to advise us! )

 

Well I live with her and I argue with her all most everyday bummer right!

[Doug1943 1,614]

Hmmm..... she's got a sister or a clone then. I  now understand why Adam couldn't handle it.

[Guest C34]

I’m a peace loving man. As a group we are being pushed and pushed. The time is coming we’ll start pushing back. I promise, they haven’t seen push back. No mercy.

[Alex419 11]

@ Megatron  I am armed and ready in Ohio. Soon to be Texas in 12 months. Couldn't have said it better, live as a slave or die as a warrior 👊

 

For this topic, yes I believe we are being enticed to start a civil war. What I don't agree with is underestimating the American people to take overthrow, take back, and return this country to it's traditional beliefs. I'm not saying slavery, etc. I'm saying a country where people wouldn't even think about rioting in the streets and destroying someone else's property without knowing they will be dodging rifle rounds from the armed citizens.

 

We have become a nation filled with pussies and people that let others dictate how to live their life. If Americans stand together and fight together, we are an indestructible force and would run over anything in our way. We have to much pride, love for country, guns, bullets, and a hatefulness for being told how to live.

 

Stand and fight or kneel and run. Those are your only two choices. I'll chose to fight every time.

[NebUS75 135]

Well said... this is not going away anytime soon as it is getting to be the “ new normal”— Depending on the Election outcome it will either get worse immediately OR by the spring/summer of 2021. I expect a mountain of new anti- gun, anti hate group legislation to be slid through Congress. (and of course “anti hate group” will be defined by Pelosi and other liberal d-bags. )

[Guest fooar69]

I saw this video on Youtube the other day.  I think it is relevant to the conversation.  The people that think the grassroots freedom loving people can't win are delusional.

 

 

 

[Michael Tarver III 61]

On 4/24/2020 at 10:37 AM, LetFreedomRing said:

Or an alternative to an armed conflict could be a peaceful separation of states over a period of time into 2 or more separate countries.  Let them have their communist dream and let them crumble and rot on their own under it.

That’s a nice idea but the Communist State isn’t satisfied until all are brought to bear and under their control. Anything they deem as theirs, they will take... or attempt to take. That and I don’t see any peaceful separation of states being possible under any circumstances. That’s just my 2c

[LetFreedomRing 5,754]

15 minutes ago, Michael Tarver III said:

That’s a nice idea but the Communist State isn’t satisfied until all are brought to bear and under their control. Anything they deem as theirs, they will take... or attempt to take. That and I don’t see any peaceful separation of states being possible under any circumstances. That’s just my 2c

 

No it probably would never happen but my main point is that they would collapse in on themselves and we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore as a drain on our resources.  Yes that would be a nice thing indeed!

[Michael Tarver III 61]

The potential is there but at what point are we gonna push back? The patriot, militia, 3% movements have been perpetually drawing lines in the sand for YEARS, only to have the enemies of Liberty step across them and we draw yet another line. I’m not looking to be the next martyr for Liberty but let’s face it, voting and bitching about it ain’t working. The founders wrote countless pages and opinions based on facts and experience as to what our duty is; even to the point of including it in the Declaration of Independence. Sooner or later we’re going to HAVE to do something because all this doing nothing is getting us nowhere.

Edited June 19 by Michael Tarver III

[Saiga308snipe 676]

23 minutes ago, Michael Tarver III said:

The potential is there but at what point are we gonna push back? The patriot, militia, 3% movements have been perpetually drawing lines in the sand for YEARS, only to have the enemies of Liberty step across them and we draw yet another line. I’m not looking to be the next martyr for Liberty but let’s face it, voting and bitching about it ain’t working. The founders wrote countless pages and opinions based on facts and experience as to what our duty is; even to the point of including it in the Declaration of Independence. Sooner or later we’re going to HAVE to do something because all this doing nothing is getting us nowhere.

but the art of war spin to this is

//17. Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory: (1) He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. (2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. (3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. (4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. (5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.//

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jessicahagy/2013/10/08/sun-tzus-the-art-of-war-illustrated-chapter-3/#58a7cc044fce

Edited June 19 by Saiga308snipe

[Michael Tarver III 61]

We are the remnants that are willing to train for the inevitable and continually struggle to bolster our ranks.  Unfortunately, by the time the rest of our countrymen are willing to accept that their hunting skills aren’t enough to get them through, it very well might be too late.

“Love, friendship and respect do not unite people as much as a common hatred for something.”

Anton Chekhov

 

[NebUS75 135]

Absolutely correct!!  Thank You for saying that!!