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With all these radical leftist governors implimenting unconstitutional orders in the name of "public safety" and now police telling us citizens on private property that their rights can be and are suspended, it's pretty much confirmed. There is no government law above the Constitution, these officials and police officers who are breaking their oath to the Constitution should be forcefully removed from their positions by any means necessary. This is going too far, we the people are being treated like cattle and it's going to hit a point where the pot boils over. It's completely obvious with all the censorship of doctors and nurses talking about the virus and how we are handling it wrong, the WHO being in bed with the Chinese communist party, all the statistics and the fact that they are lying about hospitals, the fema camp style lines with food banks and freaking Walmart etc, and the policies being enacted. Hell look at everything so far leading up to before this covid-19 crap. At what point is enough, enough? Look at the Canadian prime minister passing a weapons ban leaving their law abiding citizens in danger because it's a proven fact that criminals don't care about laws and crime rates will now increase. It's only a matter of time before our communist politicians do the same here even if we have a constitution that they don't seem to care for. This is the last place on Earth where you have civil liberties, there is no where else to run. A stand needs to be made, because playing nice doesn't work anymore. This is not the America I swore an oath to. Opinions anyone? 

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Timing is everything.

 

An American civil war would be a huge, world-historic tragedy, whatever the outcome. 

 

In Moscow and Beijing, it's their first wish ... one they probably don't even let themselves have.

 

An American civil war in which the patriotic side lost would be world-historic tragedy raised to the third power.

 

And if there is one any time soon, that is what will happen.

 

The US is roughly split 50-50, with respect to the people who actually care enough to vote. (And for the tens of millions who don't  bother to vote, most of them would be against us.)

 

But don't think the entire 50% who now vote against the Left, would eagerly join the patriotic side in a shooting war, IF the other side had ' legal legitimacy'.   By LEGAL legitimacy, I mean that it had followed the law, was in power via elections (however flawed), and had not started the war.  

 

An example: Trump lost the popular vote (by a small amount) as the Left never case to remind us: but he won the election, and they couldn't start a violent uprising against him, because he followed the rules -- the electoral college -- in doing so.  So although I have no doubt that there were and are people on the Left who would like to make a violent revolution to 'enforce the will of the People', if they tried anything, they would be swiftly put down by the armed bodies of men which are the core of government: the police and if necessary the military.

 

That also applies to us. 

 

A 'civil war' which we win will be one in which the Left has lost legal legitimacy in the eyes of the majority, which means in the eyes of the people who run the police and military.  (This doesn't have to mean every last one: just the majority.) 

 

We are nowhere near that point yet.  And ... things may get worse.  If this virus had not come along,  and if the economy had continued to fluorish, the November election may have gone our way.   However, unfortunately, there is a good chance this may not be the case, and we'll see a big Democratic victory, not only the Presidency but also in the House and Senate.  If so, we'll be on the defensive for a while.   Let's hope that doesn't happen, and get out and register our sort of people to vote, and get out the vote on election day regardless of what the polls say.  But we have to be prepared for a setback and not get demoralized.

 

In the meantime ... avoid any provocations that could lead to another Waco.  Organize, demonstrate peacefully, hold public meetings when these are possible.  Above all, grow the militia movement -- this virus has shown that very bad times can happen, that they can happen again, that when they do, the Left will use them as an excuse to expand their power. 

 

We have to champion the idea of preparedness and self-reliance.  But not just individual self-reliance, but community self-reliance: and the milita must strive to be seen as part of the community, its defensive arm. Every miltia unit should hold a public meeting when this is possible, and aim to at least double its numbers in the next few months.

 

Finally, if -- God forbid!  -- an actual 'civil war' does occur: what aim should the pro-Liberty forces have?  Our problem is that the Left has a near-majority of voters in the US, maybe even a natural majority -- and this will get worse as time goes on.  Unless we're aiming at some sort of Third-World military dictatorship, we have to think about what to about this.

 

The answer is obvious, of course.  We need an 'amicable divorce' , a peaceful geographic separation, into two new countries.  I'm sorry to say this, but  ... we can't fool life. 

 

 


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A few things in this post I wanted to note. 

 

The term law abiding needs to stop getting used.  It's a term for sheep to be good sheep. 

 

Canada never had a 2a thus anything could change it.  However we will be next and trumps supports gun control so we always lose.

 

The 50/50 split is deeper and the more like splits along religion and liberty,  freedoms and defense.    Libertarians don't want Republicans nor Democrats style of government.    Those two don't want the freedoms of a libertarian government either.   The country is never going to unify and it will fracture into sections of like minded people 


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You both have good points. If it doesn't rapidly go south, Doug's strategy is feasible. If it hits us like a ton of bricks, we might still have it; if the military refuses to go against the people, it shouldn't be hard to put down tyranny.

     Frankly, I believe that if all gun owners, which is likely a majority, banded together and said ENOUGH, and meant it, no further action would be necessary. After all, that is the policy our government has used against other nations for decades, especially before everyone else got nukes.

     But if they take our guns. I think it's over, it'll be like the ancient Roman Empire, against the Patriots and Christian's.

     I thought many years back, and told a few people, that all holding our government back from going tyrannical big time was all the terrorism wars. They couldn't use the military against the people. Trump got a bunch home, now look at what's unfolding.

     I personally think the mark of the beast time is near, could happen before deadly force is used to take any rights blatantly. Call it the full allegiance to government or what you like, but what Christian's call the mark of the beast is being suggested, i.e., no vaccine, no travel, work, buying, fraternizing.

     If there was a civil war, most of the military might have to be used to keep us from being invaded from without.

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Regrettably, I agree with you Pharaoh.  The Point being that the Constitution is NOT going to defend itself.  It rather IS the Legal Basis upon which "We The People" may form up a Militia to FIGHT Tyrannical Government, and it is therefore up to us to get organized to fight to preserve our Rights and Freedom.  I've not been impressed with groups of Vets and Patriots that simply demonstrate Publicly Waving the Flag and posing with their Weapons...  It gives the Enemy Intel pertaining to who you are; and what weapons you have.  In reviewing Revolutionary War History, and Literary Works like "The Patriot" and "American State Papers" in Brittanicca's Great Books Series; I think our Ancestors who fought on Lexington Green, Founding Fathers etc. would be most disappointed in the tolerance American Citizens have had so far; regarding clear violations of their Constitutional Rights and Freedom.  For example, I think during the Richmond VA Saga recently observed, I think it would have been FAR more effective for Militias to coordinate and descend ARMED and UNANNOUNCED, into the Legislative Halls etc. UNEXPECTANTLY, and drag or "escort"the Governor and his Lackeys OUT, and THROW THEM ALL IN JAIL.   The Charges levied against them would be Crimes against the Inalienable and  Constitutional Rights of the Citizens of Virginia; (and simultaneously with the coordination and help of Constitution Supportive Virginia Representatives/Senators); arrangements would be made for their respective Trial(s) for specified Offenses against (for just ONE example) the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.  Once Found Guilty, the Governor and other Defendants  would be legally removed from their Jobs or Offices; and arrangements made for New Appointments and Elections accordingly...  Consequently, there needs to be much more Ground Work done by Patriots to set these Tyrants up, prior to moving both armed and physically against them...   As things currently stand, lacking such organizing, the best that could be expected is Partisan Operations of small armed groups of Citizens against the Armed Agents of Tyrannical Government (the Latter potentially Police and/or Natl. Guard supporting Tyrannical Government.   Respectfully Always,   The Rifleman aka "Jocko"          

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41 minutes ago, The Rifleman said:

Regrettably, I agree with you Pharaoh.  The Point being that the Constitution is NOT going to defend itself.  It rather IS the Legal Basis upon which "We The People" may form up a Militia to FIGHT Tyrannical Government, and it is therefore up to us to get organized to fight to preserve our Rights and Freedom.  I've not been impressed with groups of Vets and Patriots that simply demonstrate Publicly Waving the Flag and posing with their Weapons...  It gives the Enemy Intel pertaining to who you are; and what weapons you have.  In reviewing Revolutionary War History, and Literary Works like "The Patriot" and "American State Papers" in Brittanicca's Great Books Series; I think our Ancestors who fought on Lexington Green, Founding Fathers etc. would be most disappointed in the tolerance American Citizens have had so far; regarding clear violations of their Constitutional Rights and Freedom.  For example, I think during the Richmond VA Saga recently observed, I think it would have been FAR more effective for Militias to coordinate and descend ARMED and UNANNOUNCED, into the Legislative Halls etc. UNEXPECTANTLY, and drag or "escort"the Governor and his Lackeys OUT, and THROW THEM ALL IN JAIL.   The Charges levied against them would be Crimes against the Inalienable and  Constitutional Rights of the Citizens of Virginia; (and simultaneously with the coordination and help of Constitution Supportive Virginia Representatives/Senators); arrangements would be made for their respective Trial(s) for specified Offenses against (for just ONE example) the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.  Once Found Guilty, the Governor and other Defendants  would be legally removed from their Jobs or Offices; and arrangements made for New Appointments and Elections accordingly...  Consequently, there needs to be much more Ground Work done by Patriots to set these Tyrants up, prior to moving both armed and physically against them...   As things currently stand, lacking such organizing, the best that could be expected is Partisan Operations of small armed groups of Citizens against the Armed Agents of Tyrannical Government (the Latter potentially Police and/or Natl. Guard supporting Tyrannical Government.   Respectfully Always,   The Rifleman aka "Jocko"          

How would you see the American military reacting if this happened? 

 

Remember, the governor of Virginia and his 'lackeys' -- by which I assume you mean the Democratic legislators -- were legally and democratically elected to their offices.  In the US as a whole, I would predict that such an action would be seen by the great majority as a violent insurrection, ie. sedition, NOT as a defense of the Constitution.  Remember that YOUR personal interpretation of the Constitution is not what counts -- it's how its seen by, first of all, the majority of public opinion, which in turn will strongly affect how it's seen by the people who really count -- the officer corps of the American military, who have taken an oath to defend it from all enemies, domestic and foreign. They are also sworn to obey the orders of the President -- who, whatever the crazy Left say, would NOT go along with this idea. (And the National Guard are sworn to obey the orders of ..... the Governor.)

 

So what this idea would do, if acted upon, is just to get a lot of our people killed, and the survivors put into prison for a long time.  More importantly, it would be the death of the militia movement and anything that looked like the militia movement.

 

NOTE TO THE OBSERVERS FROM THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: THIS MAN IS NOT, REPEAT NOT, VOICING THE OPINIONS OF THE MILITIA MOVEMENT.  THESE ARE HIS OWN VIEWS.

 

NOTE TO THE OBSERVERS FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: HE IS NOT ADVOCATING IMMEDIATE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF THE GOVERNMENT. IT'S JUST ABSTRACT SPECULATION, AND IS PROTECTED SPEECH ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT DECISION Yates v. United States, 354 U.S. 298 (1957).

 

NOTE TO THOSE WHO APPRECIATE IRONY IN HISTORY: had a communist or anarchist been foolish enough to write something like this before 1957, he would have been quickly arrested and tried under the 'Smith Act', which allowed sentences of up to 20 years in prison for anyone who "..with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or...organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof."

 

Fortunately, the liberal Supreme Court in 1957 declared this sort of law unconstitutional, to the great anger of people like Eisenhower and J. Edgar Hoover, and, I presume, all conservatives. 

 

Anyone saying or writing things like this as an immediate call to action still faces the Smith Act, but if it's just "this is what we should have done, what we should do in the future", then there won't be any government prosecution.

 

The only effect of stuff like this will be to scare away people from the militia movement and to keep it small and ineffective.

 


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On 5/4/2020 at 12:57 AM, Pharaoh said:

With all these radical leftist governors implimenting unconstitutional orders in the name of "public safety" and now police telling us citizens on private property that their rights can be and are suspended, it's pretty much confirmed. There is no government law above the Constitution, these officials and police officers who are breaking their oath to the Constitution should be forcefully removed from their positions by any means necessary. This is going too far, we the people are being treated like cattle and it's going to hit a point where the pot boils over. It's completely obvious with all the censorship of doctors and nurses talking about the virus and how we are handling it wrong, the WHO being in bed with the Chinese communist party, all the statistics and the fact that they are lying about hospitals, the fema camp style lines with food banks and freaking Walmart etc, and the policies being enacted. Hell look at everything so far leading up to before this covid-19 crap. At what point is enough, enough? Look at the Canadian prime minister passing a weapons ban leaving their law abiding citizens in danger because it's a proven fact that criminals don't care about laws and crime rates will now increase. It's only a matter of time before our communist politicians do the same here even if we have a constitution that they don't seem to care for. This is the last place on Earth where you have civil liberties, there is no where else to run. A stand needs to be made, because playing nice doesn't work anymore. This is not the America I swore an oath to. Opinions anyone? 

 

I can agree that it is long over due. an maybe even feels like it is on the brink at times.

 

China is a giant problem, they are hard to beat on cheap slave labor , and that is what it is, no one wants to confront China because they keep making everything cheap. So China has to be appeased. 

 

But I think the real think keeping America from falling into another real Civil War is our ability to vote. The left can abolish the 2nd amendment tomorrow, an Americans will still find a way to get and or make a gun. But once the left finds a way to abolish the electoral college, and gets a firm grip on how Americans vote and or how to rig every election on all three branches of Gov to their favor.  Then I think things would escalate rather fast.   I mean everything you stated I can agree with. But for me I have had enough of taxes, why isn't there a fair flat rate tax across the board. Why is it the IRS can demand itemized financial records on an individual, but we cant do the same on where our tax dollars go. An then you get taxed upon your death, taxed on how your inheritance gets distributed an etc.  Hell ya get taxed via a fine for Jay Walking.  But really all the taxes isn't fully on the government,  but the nation itself for allowing it and not demanding via the legal means to stop it all.  When the nation as a whole is too lazy to go through the legal process to change tax laws, what real chance do we got on anything else.  The national debt is a joke, there is zero chance of it ever getting paid off let alone lowered,  if creditors came knocking to get paid with in full with in a 5-10 year time frame , the nation would be broke.   So that factors into things too.

 

The political state of the nation gets very depressing for me very fast, and if i was just one more screw loose than I already am, I could see myself going down the wrong path. An it becomes rather easy to understand why some nutjobs do what they do when disgruntled with the government. Not saying I agree, just saying it can be understandable.

 

Anyhow, as needed as guns are in our nation. The vote is really the most effective and strongest weapon out there. I'll keep voting for the best conservative candidate out there, but only so I can say I got a reason to complain, not because I believe they will actually fix anything on a permanent basis.  Trump still has not completely dismantled Obama care, and that alone isn't entirely his fault. The T.S.A is useless, obama care useless,  redundant national security agencies ,  Property Taxes,  you can flat out own a house an a lot of land, an if ya dont pay your property taxes, forget it.( an again, we the people do not vote to change that.)    < no one is going to ever stop or fix those messes....So i mean to me voting is to a degree pointless, i see it just as a  way to pump the brakes on the left, for at least 4-8 years. and that gives the nation some breathing room to relax and keep the leftists of our government off our collective backs long enough to get some rest .

 

But exactly what would another real civil war accomplish, and where does it break out first at ? because the first attempt at a civil war, is going to stopped dead in its' tracks with swat teams, and private security forces, and then the military.  an once that initial spark gets put out, fear spreads, across the board. and any more attempts will be second guessed at being tried in the future.

 

If anything, lone wolf assassinations have a better chance than any kind of full scale civil war. an then it is just one person risking their freedom and life. But even that in the end wouldn't be of any good, because our government would just rally behind one another, an then we get back to the vote being the only real viable way to change anything.  No one wants a civil war, no one wants to wait years on end for quick positive change either. so... there ya go.

 

 

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Here is the problem: people in America have lived through 70 years of what is, by world standards, an abnormal situation. 

When WWII ended, we were Top Dog.  All other countries were prostrate -- their industries bombed to smithereens, or at least no match for ours. Britain and France were losing their empires. We ruled Germany and Japan. The backward Soviet Union had suffered terrible damage, in addition to being saddled with socialism.

 

We had about 50% of the manufacturing capacity of the whole planet. And we were invincible, because we couldn't be invaded.  This situation gave us a whole generation, into the 1970s, of steadily rising prosperity. Even the upheavels at home, and our defeat in Vietnam, couldn't shake the reality of our enormous economic power.  Democrats and Republicans were not all that different, and trade power back and forth peacefully. 

 

Then the Soviet Union collapsed, and our rulers looked forward to a 'New World Order', dominated by the US, in which we would lead in spreading peace and prosperity and democratic rule to all nations.

 

I won't carry on ... we all know what happened over the next thirty years.  Now we're a very different nation.

 

We see the Left growing inexorably, via immigration and indoctrination in the educational institutions.  Things look hopeless.

 

But ... big events can change people's minds radically.  We cannot predict what these events will be  (who would have predicted the Chinese Communist Virus?)  But these events are inevitable.

 

We have to be ready to intervene in such situations. They cannot be created artificially.  In the future, the country could go Left or Right ... and which way it goes won't be automatic.  I personally suspect that our best bet will be to get the majority of Americans to agree that they would be better off without us (conservatives) , and to get 'us' to agree also ... in other words, to exercise the 'right of self determination'. But at the moment this is such a radical idea, that discussion and propagation of it is best left outside the militia movement, which already looks crazy enough to many Americans as it is.

 

In the meantime ... we have to grow the militia.  If some radical upheaval happened tomorrow, we are way to weak to influence it.  (This is the basis for the cries of despair which proposals for crazy actions actually are.)  It's actually a good time to grow the militia, and we need to do so: we have to go from being a few thousands, to being a few tens of thousands, and then to being a few hundreds of thousands. (3% of the 25 million males who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 would be 750,000 people.)

 

This won't happen overnight. And slow growth is tedious work.  But it has to be done. Every functioning unit should set itself a realistic growth target -- maybe something like a doubling of numbers by the end of the year.

 

Right now, we should have the aim to move into the mainstream of the conservative movement.  (Not even, at the moment, into the mainstream of American society, although that should be an aim as well, starting at the community level.)  This means, concretely, getting involved now in voter registration efforts with the local Republican Party.   Getting active with these people is also an opportunity to recruit to your militia group. A lot of Republicans don't know any more about the militia movement than what they read in the papers, which is almost always hostile.

 

With this in mind, every militia unit should seek to co-host a Fourth of July Barbeque with other patriotic groups, including the local Republicans.  A low-key event like this, especially if it has other sponsors, is an excellent way to introduce the militia movement to likely supporters -- to show its 'human face'. Every unit which is able to do this, should.


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     Any number of things could happen: civil war, anarchy [disorganized, violent tirade], or all out tyranny with few resisting.

     I'm questioning the motives of the CIA, due to having interacted with them from 2015 to 2018. They were supposed to investigate corruption by the FBI, law enforcement and other officials, AND take care of it. Looks to me all they did was infiltrate everything and expand their power base.

     Given the fact they utilize the criminal world for information, and control much of it; deal heavily in illegal drugs; use the drugs to control the population; delve extensively into mind and behavioral control; are more liberal than conservative; are part of the 911 propaganda machine [they lied about wmd, created a fake video of Osama bin Laden; who knows what else, I am seriously wondering if they're not part of the Left's plan, even though they can operate much more freely in a free nation, and could get just as much data by becoming a truly moral and ethical entity.

     By the same token, the FBI is just as bad, just in different ways.

     A person can't understand my next statement unless they've investigated that particular thing, but: the DOJ and L.E. informant networks are one of America's biggest problems, and likely being used by the Left as a tool against Constitutionality. The informants are bigger criminals than anyone.

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On 5/4/2020 at 2:22 AM, Megatron said:

A few things in this post I wanted to note. 

 

The term law abiding needs to stop getting used.  It's a term for sheep to be good sheep. 

 

Canada never had a 2a thus anything could change it.  However we will be next and trumps supports gun control so we always lose.

 

The 50/50 split is deeper and the more like splits along religion and liberty,  freedoms and defense.    Libertarians don't want Republicans nor Democrats style of government.    Those two don't want the freedoms of a libertarian government either.   The country is never going to unify and it will fracture into sections of like minded people 

We do need to stop being law abiding and start being more constitutional enforcement. I'm tired of losing sleep over this shit.

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Here's a good question:  When should you abide by the law? Given that the rule of law is what distinguishes successful civilized societies from backward ones ruled by tribal militias or military dictators, it's an important question. We do NOT want to lose the reputation we have, of believing in the rule of law.

 

So when should we abide by the law?  There are only two answers to this, so far as I can see:

 

(1)  When the law is just.

(2)  When the is not just, but when not abiding by it would put you into prison or the grave, unless your non-obedience is part of a careful plan to restore just laws, and you're willing to take the chance.

And note that 'non-obedience' to an unjust law, or the unjust application of the law, does not imply violence. One of the latest Official Heroes of the United States, with a street named after him in practically every city, earned his reputation by encouraging mass non-violent disobedience to unjust laws. 

 

But then, you have to be willing to pay the price.

 

For example, if you travelled to the Soviet Union, when it still existed, your luggage would be routinely searched, and also your car if your drove.  If they found some Bibles, in Russian (maybe in English as well) you were in trouble. It was against their law.  So, if you wanted to be let into the country, and didn't want to take the chance of getting several years of free Russian lessons in a prison,  you abided by that bad law.  You were 'law-abiding'.

 

On the other hand, if you wanted to take the risk, there were ways of getting Bible into Russia and into other Communist countries. This man spent his life doing that:https://www.opendoorsusa.org/about-us/history/brother-andrews-story/    and these people, the Tyndale Society in England, did likewise: http://www.tyndale.org/tsj05/cooper.html 

(For those interested in intelligence work and security techniques, read the fifth paragraph of the Tyndale Society story and see what absolutely elementary mistake they made in one of their trips behind the Iron Curtain.)

 

So, normally, the smart thing to do is to be law-abiding, unless your non-abiding is a conscious decision and part of a plan to restore real law.  (And speaking about this subject -- if anyone is planning a vacation to Cuba, or a trip there for any other reason, and is willing to take a very minor risk to help the democratic forces there, please contact me.)

 

Vague threats to stop being law abiding, etc. are not helpful, except to the other side.

 

Normally, they're just an expression of frustrated emotion. This is entirely understandable. But if they trigger an unstable person to go out and do something stupid -- as has happened several times in the past -- they are positively destructive -- of human life, and of the militia movement.

 

For everything, there is a season. Now is the season for sowing and cultivating. We should sow, and cultivate, to create a well-regulated militia. (The other side is sowing the wind.)

 

 

 

 

 


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9 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Here's a good question:  When should you abide by the law? Given that the rule of law is what distinguishes successful civilized societies from backward ones ruled by tribal militias or military dictators, it's an important question. We do NOT want to lose the reputation we have, of believing in the rule of law.

 

So when should we abide by the law?  There are only two answers to this, so far as I can see:

 

(1)  When the law is just.

(2)  When the is not just, but when not abiding by it would put you into prison or the grave, unless your non-obedience is part of a careful plan to restore just laws, and you're willing to take the chance.

And note that 'non-obedience' to an unjust law, or the unjust application of the law, does not imply violence. One of the latest Official Heroes of the United States, with a street named after him in practically every city, earned his reputation by encouraging mass non-violent disobedience to unjust laws. 

 

But then, you have to be willing to pay the price.

 

For example, if you travelled to the Soviet Union, when it still existed, your luggage would be routinely searched, and also your car if your drove.  If they found some Bibles, in Russian (maybe in English as well) you were in trouble. It was against their law.  So, if you wanted to be let into the country, and didn't want to take the chance of getting several years of free Russian lessons in a prison,  you abided by that bad law.  You were 'law-abiding'.

 

On the other hand, if you wanted to take the risk, there were ways of getting Bible into Russia and into other Communist countries. This man spent his life doing that:https://www.opendoorsusa.org/about-us/history/brother-andrews-story/    and these people, the Tyndale Society in England, did likewise: http://www.tyndale.org/tsj05/cooper.html 

(For those interested in intelligence work and security techniques, read the fifth paragraph of the Tyndale Society story and see what absolutely elementary mistake they made in one of their trips behind the Iron Curtain.)

 

So, normally, the smart thing to do is to be law-abiding, unless your non-abiding is a conscious decision and part of a plan to restore real law.  (And speaking about this subject -- if anyone is planning a vacation to Cuba, or a trip there for any other reason, and is willing to take a very minor risk to help the democratic forces there, please contact me.)

 

Vague threats to stop being law abiding, etc. are not helpful, except to the other side.

 

Normally, they're just an expression of frustrated emotion. This is entirely understandable. But if they trigger an unstable person to go out and do something stupid -- as has happened several times in the past -- they are positively destructive -- of human life, and of the militia movement.

 

For everything, there is a season. Now is the season for sowing and cultivating. We should sow, and cultivate, to create a well-regulated militia. (The other side is sowing the wind.)

 

 

 

 

 

I will do as I'm told by the "Creator" I don't make very good decisions when I'm angry and tired. But none the less we need to be more aware of the treason and destruction of our constitution from people who think it's antiquated.

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On 5/4/2020 at 12:57 AM, Pharaoh said:

With all these radical leftist governors implimenting unconstitutional orders in the name of "public safety" and now police telling us citizens on private property that their rights can be and are suspended, it's pretty much confirmed. There is no government law above the Constitution, these officials and police officers who are breaking their oath to the Constitution should be forcefully removed from their positions by any means necessary. This is going too far, we the people are being treated like cattle and it's going to hit a point where the pot boils over. It's completely obvious with all the censorship of doctors and nurses talking about the virus and how we are handling it wrong, the WHO being in bed with the Chinese communist party, all the statistics and the fact that they are lying about hospitals, the fema camp style lines with food banks and freaking Walmart etc, and the policies being enacted. Hell look at everything so far leading up to before this covid-19 crap. At what point is enough, enough? Look at the Canadian prime minister passing a weapons ban leaving their law abiding citizens in danger because it's a proven fact that criminals don't care about laws and crime rates will now increase. It's only a matter of time before our communist politicians do the same here even if we have a constitution that they don't seem to care for. This is the last place on Earth where you have civil liberties, there is no where else to run. A stand needs to be made, because playing nice doesn't work anymore. This is not the America I swore an oath to. Opinions anyone? 

Honestly I say let it come brother, it's about time we go to war with these corrupt people, and it's either war or we keep being controlled, we cannot allow it anymore, so war is the only way, but only to fight for good and the sake of humanity.

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 The politicians see the divide and are acting on it, it's what politicians do. The garbage from DC ebbs and flows, just like the "Black Lives Matter" died out with Obama, and the ANTIFA has died down due to ineffectiveness, the whole COVID-19 thing will go away the first week of November. Then there will be a new thing. There will be a time in this country when the people will again rise up against tyranny and there is little need for us to push it. This country is populated with many like my departed Father, who was a quiet man, wouldn't have given any thought to joining a militia or marching on the capital, but you can rest assured that if the time came that action was needed to preserve this country's rights for his kids, his USMC DI ass would have swung into gear in a heartbeat. Our country is populated with many like him, quiet patriots that will rise to the cause.

 We'll know when it's time, because the quiet Patriots will begin to rise up and will seek us out. The politicians know this too well, so for them it's a balancing act to push just hard enough without triggering those 70 million gun owners. All the various "movements" and mass shootings have been well orchestrated to test the waters. Anyone besides me ever notice that we don't have multiple mass shootings on the same day? Antifa only clashes in one city at a time? Black lives matter riots were always one at a time? Political shennanigans always in a row, happening just in time to divert attention from something else? Yeah, it's all a dangerous game and one day they'll go too far to turn it off.

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50 minutes ago, Fed up said:

I will do as I'm told by the "Creator" I don't make very good decisions when I'm angry and tired. But none the less we need to be more aware of the treason and destruction of our constitution from people who think it's antiquated.

Fair enough.  Start with awareness, then sit down with others who feel like you do, and talk through what to do about it.

And please keep in mind, that the Enemy WANTS you to react NOW, to be another TImothy McVeigh, and that they have almost certainly planted people in the militia movement, and on this website, who will be actively urging us to go out and do something stupid now.  It's EXACTLY what they want.

 

Here's a story, probably made-up, but with a good lesson nonetheless.

 

A small Western town lived in fear of a notorious   bully, who had killed several men in gunfights.  He swaggered about town, and everyone was afraid of him.  They didn't argue with him. They tried to avoid him, and when they couldn't, they tried to humor him.

 

One day a new fellow showed up in town. He was a mild-mannered dentist, come all the way from back East, to set up a practice.  A few days after arriving in town, he went to the  local saloon to have a drink.

 

While he was drinking, the bully came in.  Everyone else fearfully nodded hello to the bully, but the dentist ignored him. The bully went up to him and grabbed him by the front of his shirt ... "Whatsa matter with you, little man?  You don't like me?"  "No, I don't, " said the dentist.  The whole saloon fell silent.  "Well," said the bully, "let's meet tomorrow at noon on the street outside ... and see who's fastest on the draw... or you can get out of town tonight ... I'm feeling generous."   "Okay," said the dentist.  "Tomorrow, at noon?  See you then."  And he got up and walked out.

 

The next day, the whole town was standing around on the main street... sad to be losing their crazy dentist ... but of course wanting to see the 'gunfight'.  At noon, the bully swaggered out of the saloon, and walked into the middle of the street.  But the dentist did not appear.  "Ha!  the little coward did the smart thing," laughed the bully.

 

Then, a few people noticed that, behind the bully, on the second floor of the local hotel, a curtain was silently pushed aside.  They saw the double barrels of a shotgun pushed out .. with the dentist holidng it.

BOOM!   BOOM!  ... the bully's head went one way and rolled for a few yards. His body fell backwards.

 

An hour later, the dentist was in the saloon. Everyone  was trying to buy him a drink.  Finally, one man said to him, "Fellow ... we're all happy for what you did ... but ... I know you're from back East and don't know our ways out here ... but ... you don't just do what you did... you're supposed to face off, man to man..."

 

The dentist just downed a shot, and said, "Well, all I know is I'm alive, and he's dead, and that's the way I wanted it."

 

Wise as serpents, gentle as doves, as Someone said.


You can get a lot further in life with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.

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If you wait long enough and let the government take everything from you.  Eventually you won't have to fight for anyways.    At some point you need to say enough is enough and fight for what you believe.  


“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – General George S. Patton

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37 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Fair enough.  Start with awareness, then sit down with others who feel like you do, and talk through what to do about it.

And please keep in mind, that the Enemy WANTS you to react NOW, to be another TImothy McVeigh, and that they have almost certainly planted people in the militia movement, and on this website, who will be actively urging us to go out and do something stupid now.  It's EXACTLY what they want.

 

Here's a story, probably made-up, but with a good lesson nonetheless.

 

A small Western town lived in fear of a notorious   bully, who had killed several men in gunfights.  He swaggered about town, and everyone was afraid of him.  They didn't argue with him. They tried to avoid him, and when they couldn't, they tried to humor him.

 

One day a new fellow showed up in town. He was a mild-mannered dentist, come all the way from back East, to set up a practice.  A few days after arriving in town, he went to the  local saloon to have a drink.

 

While he was drinking, the bully came in.  Everyone else fearfully nodded hello to the bully, but the dentist ignored him. The bully went up to him and grabbed him by the front of his shirt ... "Whatsa matter with you, little man?  You don't like me?"  "No, I don't, " said the dentist.  The whole saloon fell silent.  "Well," said the bully, "let's meet tomorrow at noon on the street outside ... and see who's fastest on the draw... or you can get out of town tonight ... I'm feeling generous."   "Okay," said the dentist.  "Tomorrow, at noon?  See you then."  And he got up and walked out.

 

The next day, the whole town was standing around on the main street... sad to be losing their crazy dentist ... but of course wanting to see the 'gunfight'.  At noon, the bully swaggered out of the saloon, and walked into the middle of the street.  But the dentist did not appear.  "Ha!  the little coward did the smart thing," laughed the bully.

 

Then, a few people noticed that, behind the bully, on the second floor of the local hotel, a curtain was silently pushed aside.  They saw the double barrels of a shotgun pushed out .. with the dentist holidng it.

BOOM!   BOOM!  ... the bully's head went one way and rolled for a few yards. His body fell backwards.

 

An hour later, the dentist was in the saloon. Everyone  was trying to buy him a drink.  Finally, one man said to him, "Fellow ... we're all happy for what you did ... but ... I know you're from back East and don't know our ways out here ... but ... you don't just do what you did... you're supposed to face off, man to man..."

 

The dentist just downed a shot, and said, "Well, all I know is I'm alive, and he's dead, and that's the way I wanted it."

 

Wise as serpents, gentle as doves, as Someone said.

Believe me, I live by this. It's time to provoke the bully.

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10 minutes ago, Megatron said:

If you wait long enough and let the government take everything from you.  Eventually you won't have to fight for anyways.    At some point you need to say enough is enough and fight for what you believe.  

Yup, just somewhere between full on war and what Doug said is what needs to happen. That's why I wait, we still haven't had a decisive enough confrontation for all of us to join in and unite

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2 minutes ago, Fed up said:

Yup, just somewhere between full on war and what Doug said is what needs to happen. That's why I wait, we still haven't had a decisive enough confrontation for all of us to join in and unite

 

Nobody is going unite much in this world.  Which is fine and unfortunately the truth.     The division has people wanting different end goals and laws.      Some like myself want freedom and the entire thing.  Others prefer the road to socialism and install regulations, laws and taxes.


“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – General George S. Patton

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10 minutes ago, Megatron said:

 

Nobody is going unite much in this world.  Which is fine and unfortunately the truth.     The division has people wanting different end goals and laws.      Some like myself want freedom and the entire thing.  Others prefer the road to socialism and install regulations, laws and taxes.

Propertarianism is the only way I see it working.

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2 minutes ago, Fed up said:

Propertarianism is the only way I see it working.

That's a new one to me

 

 

Remember voting is useless, so vote from the roof tops.


“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – General George S. Patton

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5 minutes ago, Megatron said:

That's a new one to me

 

 

Remember voting is useless, so vote from the roof tops.

Look into it I think you'd agree with the principles from the few comments I've interacted with you. I've got a couple posts up about it on here

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41 minutes ago, Tempstar said:

 The politicians see the divide and are acting on it, it's what politicians do. The garbage from DC ebbs and flows, just like the "Black Lives Matter" died out with Obama, and the ANTIFA has died down due to ineffectiveness, the whole COVID-19 thing will go away the first week of November. Then there will be a new thing. There will be a time in this country when the people will again rise up against tyranny and there is little need for us to push it. This country is populated with many like my departed Father, who was a quiet man, wouldn't have given any thought to joining a militia or marching on the capital, but you can rest assured that if the time came that action was needed to preserve this country's rights for his kids, his USMC DI ass would have swung into gear in a heartbeat. Our country is populated with many like him, quiet patriots that will rise to the cause.

 We'll know when it's time, because the quiet Patriots will begin to rise up and will seek us out. The politicians know this too well, so for them it's a balancing act to push just hard enough without triggering those 70 million gun owners. All the various "movements" and mass shootings have been well orchestrated to test the waters. Anyone besides me ever notice that we don't have multiple mass shootings on the same day? Antifa only clashes in one city at a time? Black lives matter riots were always one at a time? Political shennanigans always in a row, happening just in time to divert attention from something else? Yeah, it's all a dangerous game and one day they'll go too far to turn it off.

You are basically right.

We're talking about a change in mass psychology.  

 

But ... it takes an organized, disciplined leadership to ensure that there is a happy outcome.  A spontaneous movement without leadership will fail, and always has.

 

At some point I will recommend a (free) book which will change your view of how these things happen.  I absolutely understand that most people will think 'What the hell????' ... but this book is the best description of how mood changes can affect millions of people, how they can swing back and forth, how people learn things over time, how a struggle for leadership takes place, and then how the most resolute, disciplined people, in their organization, can triumph.   It needs some background notes to make it clear, first.  It is by far the best book ever written -- and it's very beautifully written -- on this subject.  Every militia leader should read it.  But I need to write the background notes first.


You can get a lot further in life with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.

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