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Trying to find the best Semi-Auto .308 MBR and SHTF rifle. And by "Best" I mean reliable in non-range conditions and won't have any to few mis-feeds. I've started searching and have come up with a few possibilities.

1. M1A Scout/Squad or Match - I personally love the look of the M1A in general, but have heard vastly varying reviews, from "worst rifle ever made" (heard it won't hold zero if it gets jostled a lot) to "most accurate ever". So not sure there.

2. SCAR 17S - Heard has alot of misfeeding issues (could be unique to the .556 version) plus it comes with a hefty price tag.

3. TAVOR 7 - Ugly as hell (IMHO) but have only heard good things.

4. GALIL ACE - Love the looks, haven't read any reviews on it yet.

5. Robinson Arms XCR - once again haven't seen a lot of reviews yet.

 

Thoughts? Any additions?

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I ran FALs forever until a few months back I bought a S&W M&P 10. It's the first AR platform I've bought pre-assembled since I bought a PWA A1 back in 93.  My reason for going with it is it has some commonality with the PSA stuff, regular AR parts, and has that 5 R 1:10 18" nitrided barrel. PSA just never had the barrel I wanted.

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Skillet said:

I ran FALs forever until a few months back I bought a S&W M&P 10. It's the first AR platform I've bought pre-assembled since I bought a PWA A1 back in 93.  My reason for going with it is it has some commonality with the PSA stuff, regular AR parts, and has that 5 R 1:10 18" nitrided barrel. PSA just never had the barrel I wanted.

 

 

 

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If I would do ar10 project again.  I would just buy one and upgrade the barrel.   It's not the easiest thing to part together and nothing is standard like a ar15

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PTR-91 and FALs are the most reliable battle rifle platforms in my experience. There’s a reason why more than 90 countries adopted the G3 and FAL.

 

.308 aks are the least reliable which I think is somewhat ironic as the ak is known to be one of the most reliable. Largely due to magazines more than the rifles themselves.

 

 

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These take the Magpul 20 and 25 round .308 magazines as well.  It comes with a built in adjustable gas block, non-reciprocating left side charging handle as well as the traditional AR rear charging handle and a sweet 2 stage trigger.

 

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Historically, the FAL is the best NATO battle rifle ever put out.  It was widely adopted and is the second most mass produced firearm in the history of the world.

 

I would not recommend the M1A.  During one of my earlier deployments we got a shipment of the M21 DMR conversions in and they were simply awful.  They would lose zero after just a few hundred rounds and the barrels would have to be re-headspaced by a master-armorer.  On top of that, they just can't keep dust and dirt out of the action.  InRangeTV has done a mud-test on the M1A and even a Hi-Point C9 fared better.  It had the shortest service life in American history of any rifle and it only got the job over the T-48 (FAL) by rampant corruption and cheating by the Ordnance Department which was so prolific that in 1963 the entire department was shuddered because of it.

 

G3s are nice rifles but the ergos are antiquated, and it shows, plus the delayed recoil takes practice getting used to.

 

Practically speaking, things change a lot in modern times in America. 

 

M1A still isn't a consideration because the flaws are simply intrinsic to the design.  Doesn't matter how nice it is.

FALs also get mostly ruled out due to the only domestic manufacturer, DS Arms, having a LONG history of horrendous quality control issues plus the cost is considerable.  You're looking at $2k plus more to modernize it with better ergos, rail mounts, MLOK handguard, et cetera.  DS Arms does offered modernized versions but they're very pricey.  There are still great kits out there and some fantastic gunsmiths like Gunplumber of Arizona Response Systems who can build a flawless FAL or fix any issue with a DS Arms rifle but it's gonna cost ya.  Plus new, good quality steel mags run $30/per and even average surplus mags are over $20.

 

Which brings us to the G3.  PTR makes a fantastic G3.  The build is excellent, their quality control is excellent, and you can get models that are as modernized as the pattern can really get.  Plus surplus mags are dirt cheap, I've seen them as low as $1 on even big sites, and new mags are also cheap.  Oh, and it's a $900 rifle making it, by some margin, the cheapest option.

 

So, yeah.  The FAL is the best historically but when it comes to domestically produced guns PTR is a far better company than DSA so the PTR-91 wins this argument unless you're ready to hand $3k to Gunplumber for the best of the best.

 

Sidenote on AR-10s, I've never seen one complete a match without a malf.  YMMV.

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me personally i would just go with a high quality lr308 pattern ar10, caliber wise you can go with the 6.5 if you want i have both 308 and 6.5 the 6.5 is obviously inherently more accurate and has a little less recoil and bc the military is now using it and pretty much everyone buys a 6.5 these days so the ammo is more than prevalent and would not be a problem to find and bc of this the cost of the ammo has dropped to about the same except if youre shooting steel case 308 some do some dont i do it quite a bit and havent had any problems with it. With high quality ar10s now the days of feeding extraction issues etc are over especially if you buy a complete rifle such as an aero m5e1 or savage msr10 if you have the money a POF Revolution and even a dpms lr308 if you can find one is a great starter ar10 i havnt had issues with either of mine its when you get into mixing parts manufacturers together to build a rifle that you can run in to issues sometimes but even then if you do your research youll be fine but jus to be safe i would recommend a complete rifle

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On 5/13/2020 at 10:55 AM, USN1970 said:

Trying to find the best Semi-Auto .308 MBR and SHTF rifle. And by "Best" I mean reliable in non-range conditions and won't have any to few mis-feeds. I've started searching and have come up with a few possibilities.

1. M1A Scout/Squad or Match - I personally love the look of the M1A in general, but have heard vastly varying reviews, from "worst rifle ever made" (heard it won't hold zero if it gets jostled a lot) to "most accurate ever". So not sure there.

2. SCAR 17S - Heard has alot of misfeeding issues (could be unique to the .556 version) plus it comes with a hefty price tag.

3. TAVOR 7 - Ugly as hell (IMHO) but have only heard good things.

4. GALIL ACE - Love the looks, haven't read any reviews on it yet.

5. Robinson Arms XCR - once again haven't seen a lot of reviews yet.

 

Thoughts? Any additions?  My standard M1A Springfield is the finest rifle I've ever fired, the most accurate, never jammed, I can see the sights  better that anything I've ever fired

 

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