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6 minutes ago, GearBolt Tech said:

 

I edited it to say what you really meant to say.  

 

 

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No you edited it to fit your point of view. 
I don’t need you to speak for my concerns and if you had posted facts to support the picture maybe it would have some context. 

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4 hours ago, JPilken said:

" I know 4 cops that are good solid people. I’d suggest getting to know your enemy before you assume that usually winds up being a error 

 

*"formerly we suffered from criminals and their crimes, now we suffer from laws and their coward costumed rapist, thug coproach "enforcers"* ..." - 

 

“If taxation without consent is not robbery, then any band of robbers have only to declare themselves a government, and all their robberies are legalized.”
― Lysander Spooner
 

Lysander Spooner (1870)

“Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it.”

“...only those who have the will and the power to shoot down their fellow men, are the real rulers in this, as in all other (so-called) civilized countries; for by no others will civilized men be robbed, or enslaved.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

"So these villains, who call themselves governments, well understand that their power rests primarily upon stolen money.  With money they can hire soldiers, and with soldiers extort money.  And, when their authority is denied, the first use they always make of money, is to hire soldiers to kill or subdue all who refuse them more money." -Lysander Spooner.
 

-The payment of taxes, being compulsory, of course furnishes no evidence that any one voluntarily supports the Constitution.

It is true that the theory of our Constitution is, that all taxes are paid voluntarily; that our government is a mutual insurance company, voluntarily entered into by the people with each other; that each man makes a free and purely voluntary contract with all others who are parties to the Constitution, to pay so much money for so much protection, the same as he does with any other insurance company; and that he is just as free not to be protected, and not to pay any tax, as he is to pay a tax, and be protected.

But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat.

The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.

 

The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a “protector,” and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful “sovereign,” on account of the “protection” he affords you. He does not keep “protecting” you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.

The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves “the government,” are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman.

 

In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts. On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed. They say to the person thus designated:

Go to A— B—, and say to him that “the government” has need of money to meet the expenses of protecting him and his property. If he presumes to say that he has never contracted with us to protect him, and that he wants none of our protection, say to him that that is our business, and not his; that we choose to protect him, whether he desires us to do so or not; and that we demand pay, too, for protecting him. If he dares to inquire who the individuals are, who have thus taken upon themselves the title of “the government,” and who assume to protect him, and demand payment of him, without his having ever made any contract with them, say to him that that, too, is our business, and not his; that we do not choose to make ourselves individually known to him; that we have secretly (by secret ballot) appointed you our agent to give him notice of our demands, and, if he complies with them, to give him, in our name, a receipt that will protect him against any similar demand for the present year. If he refuses to comply, seize and sell enough of his property to pay not only our demands, but all your own expenses and trouble beside.

 

If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band). If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands; and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done, that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore.

It is under such compulsion as this that taxes, so called, are paid. And how much proof the payment of taxes affords, that the people consent to support “the government,” it needs no further argument to show. 

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9 minutes ago, GearBolt Tech said:

 

THEY CAN QUOTE ME.

"I love my country, I fear "government" & I willfully choose to no longer support any part of it.   I will choose death (my own or theirs) before they take anymore of my liberty or property."

said by a loony "white" male tired of being the "tax" victim to a bunch of coward thieves who call themselves "government" and do nothing but steal... 5/23/2020

 

 

 

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Well, as for 'your death' or 'their death', it's been a bit of both over the last forty years.  "Sovereign citizens" have killed several law enorcement officers, but are always caught and usually killed in the process of arrest, or executed after a trial.

 

So long as it's just loose talk by people who haven't thought things through, it's only mildly damaging.  Scary/crazy quotes are supplied to future public prosecutors and lefty journalists, and we'll just have to use the same defense the Black Panthers did when they were taken to court ... "Oh, when we said "Off the Pig" we were only jivin' an' shuckin' Your Honor, that's the way we do it down in the Black ghetto, it don't mean nuthin'!"   Probably won't work as well for us though.

 

But when it goes beyond manhood-puffing hot air ... when people really do decide to stop paying taxes, to throw away their drivers' licenses, to buy an automatic weapon from that militia buddy who says he can get one ...   then we'll lose some members.  And not only the ones who will be killed or imprisoned, but the ones who quit because they don't want to be associated with crazies, or who never join in the first place.  This happened to the militia movement after the Oklahoma bombing  -- it took a huge hit in members --  and it can happen again.

 

Look ... the Marxists -- the hardcore Bolshevik types -- are the ones who want to smash the existing state.  (Read Lenin's State and Revolution: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/index.htm). 

    Surely all the people muttering about "the government has no right to tax me, to make me get a license for anything..." should make a United Front with the Leninists. And remember that the Leninists too believe in the ridiculous idea that man is so naturally good that the state can wither away (once the Leninists have taken power and have straightened things out, which might take a while). So there's really a lot in common there.  Check them out!!!  You've got a wide variety of Leninists to choose from: here are three of the largest anti-state groups: 

The Progressive Labor Party at http://www.plp.org/;       the Revolutionary Communist Party at https://revcom.us/rcp/    the Socialist Workers Party at https://themilitant.com/.

 

 

   

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4 hours ago, JPilken said:

Yeah that’s my plan I’ll feed them so great steaks and beer then when the day they have a reason to raid me they will knock. 

 

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4 hours ago, JPilken said:

 

sorry that officer Mitchell touched you inappropriately 

 

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18 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

Here's the thing to remember when it comes to things like Law Enforcement and so forth...

 

Time doesn't stand still.  The good cop of today is retired tomorrow.  Maybe he is replaced by another good cop... or maybe a bad cop.

 

You have to look at the institutions that train them to determine what the lifespan of freedom will be.  People don't just walk into the police station and get a badge.  You go to a university.  You get pummeled with communist propaganda for 4 years... either swallowing it or keeping your head down long enough to graduate.  If you come out of university intact and not programmed... you're at the mercy of the local and state governments who want to hire officers that will do what they want done... not what it is in the best interest of the public.  I have friends who have Criminal Justice degrees, who passed fitness exams, but either would not be hired or refused to work for certain departments

 

But, before you get that 4 year degree from the Commie mill... you have to survive K-12 in the public school system.  Which, lo and behold, is loaded with communist propaganda and programming.  

 

We're in May 2020.  A bunch of programmed leftists just graduated with dreams and aspirations to become Law Enforcement Officers in order to promote social justice in their communities.  

 

The Military has similar issues... fast track to be an officer is to get a college degree.  There is a reason why the way ups tend to have different political views than the guys actually doing the fighting on the ground.  

 

This is unfortunately true.  Just how far the process has gone, in the military and the police, is an open question. 

The thing about the police and the military is that they, more than any other profession except perhaps the medical profession, come face to face with cold hard reality.

And reality is very conservative.  It's hard to entertain progressive beliefs about 'oppressed people', while on foot patrol in Baghdad, or South Chicago.  That's why the hard Left

hate the police and the military. 

 

And it's why we must not abandon attempts to stay as close as possible to them now. 

 

Ideally, every militia member who can, should be in the National Guard.

 

And every militia unit which has the numbers to run 'outreach' programs, should include innvolvement in some sort of 'Support your Local Police' group. 

This does NOT mean uncritical support for either the military or the police.  (Hell, we shouldn't uncritically support ourselves!)  Ordinary policemen do NOT want

to be seen by the law-abiding part of the population as an occupying force. So we need to find the contradictions, and work on them.

 

Apropos this discussion, I would love to read an anonymous interview with an ordinary policeman in Portland, Oregon.    Does anyone know of one? Some policemen have unwisely said

what they really feel on social media, and of course the Left tracked them down and got them fired.   [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/24/police-facebook-posts-racism-violence-plain-view-project]

 

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12 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

This is unfortunately true.  Just how far the process has gone, in the military and the police, is an open question. 

The thing about the police and the military is that they, more than any other profession except perhaps the medical profession, come face to face with cold hard reality.

And reality is very conservative.  It's hard to entertain progressive beliefs about 'oppressed people', while on foot patrol in Baghdad, or South Chicago.  That's why the hard Left

hate the police and the military. 

 

And it's why we must not abandon attempts to stay as close as possible to them now. 

 

Ideally, every militia member who can, should be in the National Guard.

 

And every militia unit which has the numbers to run 'outreach' programs, should include innvolvement in some sort of 'Support your Local Police' group. 

This does NOT mean uncritical support for either the military or the police.  (Hell, we shouldn't uncritically support ourselves!)  Ordinary policemen do NOT want

to be seen by the law-abiding part of the population as an occupying force. So we need to find the contradictions, and work on them.

 

Apropos this discussion, I would love to read an anonymous interview with an ordinary policeman in Portland, Oregon.    Does anyone know of one? Some policemen have unwisely said

what they really feel on social media, and of course the Left tracked them down and got them fired.   [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/24/police-facebook-posts-racism-violence-plain-view-project]

 

 

If your in the national guard. You cannot hold a spot in a militia 

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I see someone has discovered Lysander Spooner.  Everyone should know about this wonderful man, a true American individualist,   -- anti-Christian and anti-Capitalist, though, just so everyone knows. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner

 

Like all anarchist/utopians, his ideas are vague enough to be claimed by both Left and Right. Some people on the Left claim him as a 'libertarian socialist' (a contradiction in terms, but never mind), and apparently he was a member of the socialist First International (along with Karl Marx) for  a while. 

 

But his 'socialism' was really reactionary anti-capitalism, a yearning for a return to the pre-capitalist world of smallholdings.  (This is also true of the many of the most extreme members of the unorganized far Left today, who call themselves 'anarchists'. And it's true that, before the Russian Revolution, the militant violent wing of the anti-capitalist movement was mainly anarchist.)

 

At any rate, he was a wonderful character -- although probably not easy to get along with -- and apparently had the courage of his convictions, as an active 'conspirer' with John Brown in his attempts to raise an armed slave revolt in the South. [The evidence for this is not clear, however.]    He ought to have a major place in American history as it's taught in high school, but I suppose his attacks against Christianity would preclude that. Although given the Howard Zinn-ization of history teaching in schools, maybe not.

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1 minute ago, Doug1943 said:

That will be news to a bunch of our members here.

 

Yeah... they might want to be careful who they talk to then.  It's part of the army regulations with the national guard.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, Megatron said:

 

Yeah... they might want to be careful who they talk to then.  It's part of the army regulations with the national guard.  

 

 

Good advice.  And that probably goes for anyone with a government job, especially LEO,  and even people working for big 'woke' corporations.

 

In fact, this site should work on a document -- written in consultation with active militia units -- about security.  People in vulnerable positions ought to use Proton Mail accountd

sfor email communications, and militia units (and this website) should only take their email addresses -- maybe a phone number, but  should not record their home addresses.  It ought to be made as difficult as possible for infiltrators to get a list of militia members with their real names and home addresses.  At the most,  names and phone numbers should only be held by a single trusted member -- sometimes this will be an infiltrator, but not always.  In fact, there is no good reason for an official concept of 'membership' to exist at all. 

 

On the other side: when militias can be tied to the idea of rejecting the government, preparing to fight the government, etc. ... that's when militia membership will become dodgy.

So it's very important that we respond to everyone who compares our military and police to, say the Chinese Communists or the Nazis.  We have to refute this idea as quickly and strongly as possible, because

it will be used against some of our people in the future.

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1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

 

Well, as for 'your death' or 'their death', it's been a bit of both over the last forty years.  "Sovereign citizens" have killed several law enorcement officers, but are always caught and usually killed in the process of arrest, or executed after a trial.

 

So long as it's just loose talk by people who haven't thought things through, it's only mildly damaging.  Scary/crazy quotes are supplied to future public prosecutors and lefty journalists, and we'll just have to use the same defense the Black Panthers did when they were taken to court ... "Oh, when we said "Off the Pig" we were only jivin' an' shuckin' Your Honor, that's the way we do it down in the Black ghetto, it don't mean nuthin'!"   Probably won't work as well for us though.

 

But when it goes beyond manhood-puffing hot air ... when people really do decide to stop paying taxes, to throw away their drivers' licenses, to buy an automatic weapon from that militia buddy who says he can get one ...   then we'll lose some members.  And not only the ones who will be killed or imprisoned, but the ones who quit because they don't want to be associated with crazies, or who never join in the first place.  This happened to the militia movement after the Oklahoma bombing  -- it took a huge hit in members --  and it can happen again.

 

Look ... the Marxists -- the hardcore Bolshevik types -- are the ones who want to smash the existing state.  (Read Lenin's State and Revolution: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/index.htm). 

    Surely all the people muttering about "the government has no right to tax me, to make me get a license for anything..." should make a United Front with the Leninists. And remember that the Leninists too believe in the ridiculous idea that man is so naturally good that the state can wither away (once the Leninists have taken power and have straightened things out, which might take a while). So there's really a lot in common there.  Check them out!!!  You've got a wide variety of Leninists to choose from: here are three of the largest anti-state groups: 

The Progressive Labor Party at http://www.plp.org/;       the Revolutionary Communist Party at https://revcom.us/rcp/    the Socialist Workers Party at https://themilitant.com/.

 

 

   

you use the term "Sovereign" and then combine it with "citizen" like you think it means anything.    the real "sovereign" is the man who can gun down another person in cold blood, on their knees in gym shorts begging for their life with fear in their voice and tears in their eyes.   don't come at me with that shit.  

 

“...only those who have the will and the power to shoot down their fellow men, are the real rulers in this, as in all other (so-called) civilized countries; for by no others will civilized men be robbed, or enslaved.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

 

 

I have watched "sovereign" "citizens" wearing costumes and toy badges, Rape, Rob, Beat, Fight, Kidnap, Molest, Harass, and even Murder with impunity....  I weep not when I hear of costumes "sovereign citizens" being gunned down by Americans...   infact.  I eagerly watch the news for them being so.   it is a Dangerous business being a thief...  I just wish their death rate was higher then that of construction workers.   

 

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"If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band). If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands; and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done, that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore.

It is under such compulsion as this that taxes, so called, are paid. And how much proof the payment of taxes affords, that the people consent to support “the government,” it needs no further argument to show."

 

Lysander Spooner..

 

I suspect if we pull away your flag to expose your colors they would be as such.  

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the men who fought for this country from two kingdoms, from the barbarians who roamed around following the shit of bison, and even fought one another to secure it1 776-1791 and further did so over pennies in "tax"....  I bet you are always on time come march to "pay your tax" like a good "citizen"...

 

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12 minutes ago, GearBolt Tech said:

you use the term "Sovereign" and then combine it with "citizen" like you think it means anything.    the real "sovereign" is the man who can gun down another person in cold blood, on their knees in gym shorts begging for their life with fear in their voice and tears in their eyes.   don't come at me with that shit.  

 

“...only those who have the will and the power to shoot down their fellow men, are the real rulers in this, as in all other (so-called) civilized countries; for by no others will civilized men be robbed, or enslaved.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

 

 

I have watched "sovereign" "citizens" wearing costumes and toy badges, Rape, Rob, Beat, Fight, Kidnap, Molest, Harass, and even Murder with impunity....  I weep not when I hear of costumes "sovereign citizens" being gunned down by Americans...   infact.  I eagerly watch the news for them being so.   it is a Dangerous business being a thief...  I just wish their death rate was higher then that of construction workers.   

 

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"If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band). If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands; and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done, that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore.

It is under such compulsion as this that taxes, so called, are paid. And how much proof the payment of taxes affords, that the people consent to support “the government,” it needs no further argument to show."

 

Lysander Spooner..

 

I suspect if we pull away your flag to expose your colors they would be as such.  

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the men who fought for this country from two kingdoms, from the barbarians who roamed around following the shit of bison, and even fought one another to secure it1 776-1791 and further did so over pennies in "tax"....  I bet you are always on time come march to "pay your tax" like a good "citizen"...

 

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For the various leftist observers, FBI agents, etc. recording all this, please note that this person does NOT represent the sentiment of this site, nor of the militia movement. I suspect he may even be one of you, but in any case, he's no more representive of the militia movement than any member of AntiFa is ... and in fact, he agrees with them on their attitude to government. He's just  wandered onto the wrong side of the barricades. So in some future article, or court case, you will not be able to quote him as in the least bit typical.

 

And for those who know nothing of recent American history, go here and get some knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

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'the men who fought for this country from two kingdoms, from the barbarians who roamed around following the shit of bison, and even fought one another to secure it1 776-1791 and further did so over pennies in "tax"....  I bet you are always on time come march to "pay your tax" like a good "citizen"...

So let me get this straight.  You don't pay any taxes?  If not, that means either you're breaking the law. which I doubt because it would be deeply stupid to come on to this site and effectively announce that you're a tax evader, or you're a parasite like the welfare leeches, or those super-rich who can hire slick lawyers to arrange things so that they pay almost no tax.

 

Which is it? Actually, it's neither. You pay your taxes like everyone else. You're a good boy. All the anti-government stuff is just hot air.

 

I'll bet you have exactly the same response to the police that I do.  But let's take a test case: you're driving along -- with, I assume your government driver's license, like a good boy -- and you come to an accident where the police are directing traffic.  The policeman signals for you to stop.  Now ... I KNOW that in such a situation you'll be a good boy, and stop.

 

We get a few people like you here every month. Full of super-macho "The rest of you are sheep".  But it's all just bullshit. Just hot air, the vaporings of a passive armchair warrior who actually does NOTHING to build the militia movement. You act exactly like the rest of us:  you obey the law, like a good little boy.  And the thing is, we know your type.  You should really go to some site peopled by naive liberals ... maybe they'll be impressed. We just laugh.

 

 

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@ GearBolt Tech  you romanticise a revolution with daydreams of what you could accomplish “if” a revolution happened. Odds are you would last a week and no one would even notice your loss. You pervert the idea of a militia into a anarchist movement. Your slinging of inaccurate information does nothing but drive those that would step up away. This is the sole reason so many log in and never check back. Where the hell are the admin? There might be a dozen cool headed people here that can behave as adults. If anyone wants this to be taken more seriously then do more to help this movement not to drive wedges. We took a topic and went so far off that no one wants anything to do with it. 

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2 hours ago, JPilken said:

@ GearBolt Tech  you romanticise a revolution with daydreams of what you could accomplish “if” a revolution happened. Odds are you would last a week and no one would even notice your loss. You pervert the idea of a militia into a anarchist movement. Your slinging of inaccurate information does nothing but drive those that would step up away. This is the sole reason so many log in and never check back. Where the hell are the admin? There might be a dozen cool headed people here that can behave as adults. If anyone wants this to be taken more seriously then do more to help this movement not to drive wedges. We took a topic and went so far off that no one wants anything to do with it. 

 

Where the hell are the Admin?

 

Here I am.  The Thread is locked.   Everyone cool off.

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