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3 hours ago, JPilken said:

Just a guess here but.... I am willing to bet that personnel in high risk of exposure will receive a vaccination first and it will trickle down from there. So... some here won’t be the first, second and or even the third to get it. 
as to the ones that know one person that has had it “and it wasn’t that bad” that’s great, but for they ones that you don’t hear from it’s because they are intubated. 
I would have hoped that before everyone goes and spews more fake news they would do some clinical research. Yeah yeah the CDC is da devil and who can you trust?? Well someone that has a YouTube video is surely the only option after all their credentials totally check out. 🙄🙄or just stick with the paranoia and hype in a year you won’t be vaccinated and that third arm won’t have grown out. You will be ok. 
 

Reputable scientific studies...they are out there...

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@KCS please share them

bigfoot is out there too

studies of the 1950’s to 60’s are like comparing a model T to a 2020 F-350

and a generic COVID cdc guidelines are nothing but that generic

the CDC posts pamphlets on everything 

as to dead cells in vaccines do some research 

they used lung cells to develop artificial cells to host the dead virus so it will be accepted by the recipient. No living cells were used 

labs have grown artificial cells for vaccines with success for years. 
it’s not like there are spare infant lungs lying around. 
yes some shady shit was done in the 50’s and 60’s but that was then. 
the people that have a reaction to vaccines now are rare and almost never fatal. Most just bitch about the soreness or have a elevated temp

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14 minutes ago, JPilken said:

@KCS please share them

bigfoot is out there too

studies of the 1950’s to 60’s are like comparing a model T to a 2020 F-350

and a generic COVID cdc guidelines are nothing but that generic

the CDC posts pamphlets on everything 

Here is a reputable article...

 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here-s-why-we-can-t-rush-covid-19-vaccine

 

Salk's vaccine was perfect btw....

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26 minutes ago, KCS said:

Sorry Mega...no junk....There is actually overwhelming evidence to the contrary, but you wouldn't believe it if I shared it, so we can just agree to disagree. Those companies have great marketing...

 

Here is the CDC schedule...notice how many are on there. I got 3 when I was a kid. Found out later that 2 were contaminated and MANY people got ill. I ended up getting the chicken pox anyway naturally, and it went away in about a week and a half, no problem. Actually, I can remember our parents having "chicken pox parties" so that we would get it, get better, and move on with natural immunity. (Yes, there is such a thing that we already have at our disposal).  I have perfect health. Oh, also, those companies cannot get sued. Reagan passed the H.R.5546 - National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 99th . It is a perfect business model. New vaccines every year, lobbyists to get rid of exemptions, and they CANNOT BE SUED. Genius...

 

CDC schedule: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

 

                          https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

Cool story bro but majority of the common vaccines are well tested and proven to work.    Sorry you didnt develop immunity to polio and small pox on your own but you can ask to get small pox.  It's at the cdc and nobody but the military and people born before 1978 get them.  So let's see you get that immunity from it.

 

Again a rushed vaccine is something everyone should be against.  

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RESEARCH

Here’s why we can’t rush a COVID-19 vaccine

PATRICK BOYLE, STAFF WRITER

MARCH 31, 2020

Vaccines have saved humanity from countless scourges, including measles, polio, and smallpox. But the process of producing a safe, effective vaccine is necessarily painstaking, as the risk of harm is real.

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A viral disease spreads across the globe, causing debilitating illness and death in numbers that mount by the day. Scientists race to develop a vaccine as panic grows, and within a year, millions of Americans get inoculated. The scourge recedes.

Jonas Salk holds two bottles of a culture used to grow polio vaccines in 1955.

Courtesy: University of Pittsburgh

Except for those who get one of the 120,000 doses that accidentally contain the live virus. Some 40,000 inoculated children contract a mild form of the disease. Dozens more children get stricken by the paralysis that the vaccine was designed to prevent, as do over 100 other people who pick up the virus from the inoculated children. Ten of them die.

Such tragic errors from inoculations against disease — this one from the polio vaccine developed by Jonas Salk, MD, in the 1950s, one of the most successful immunizations in history — help to explain why an anxious world must wait up to two years for a vaccination to shield people from the potentially fatal novel coronavirus. 

“We are moving as fast as humanly possible,” says research scientist Brooke Fiala during a break from working on a vaccine at the University of Washington’s (UW) Institute for Protein Design. 

Yet bringing a vaccine from lab to public deployment proceeds at a glacial pace, and it’s a costly expedition. “From the creation of the idea to having a marketable vaccine is usually seven to 10 years or more, and about 1 billion U.S. dollars,” says Gregory A. Poland, MD, director of the Mayo Vaccine Research Group.

That’s by design: the design of human biology and procedures built to minimize harm. 

“The basic history lesson when it comes to vaccines and immunization is that there always has been a risk and there always will be a risk,” says David S. Jones, PhD, the A. Bernard Ackerman professor of the culture of medicine at Harvard University.

Looking at the risks and the steps to mitigate them sheds light on some of the factors behind the long, expensive process.

 

 

patrick Boyle is a staff writer this is a opinion not researched data. 
 

he even goes on to quote

The basic history lesson when it comes to vaccines and immunization is that there always has been a risk and there always will be a risk,” says David S. Jones, PhD, the A. Bernard Ackerman professor of the culture of medicine at Harvard University.

 

find research more that 4 paragraphs that contains a double blind study and not a posh shit out a article over coffee

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Bottom line refuse the vaccine 

if you are employed in a position that requires you to have it ... resign

many of thousands will receive it before you. You won’t be patient 0 the flu vaccine has conspiracy’s surrounding it TODAy and it’s been around. I will gladly circulate any relevant information that you find and myself and other practitioners will read it. We quite frankly enjoy to. The break room is filled with medical journals studies and magazines with pertinent information. Just don’t go believing everything someone posts take time to read and understand. Anyone can post a opinion but a study is very boring to read and takes lots of information. Just look at this site and you will see that almost every asshole can speak but it’s mostly shit. 

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46 minutes ago, KCS said:

Here is a reputable article...

 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here-s-why-we-can-t-rush-covid-19-vaccine

 

Salk's vaccine was perfect btw....

Wait so your rational is if the 1950’s took 2 years to produce a vaccine we should at least take a year??

dont know how much relevant medical experience you have but we get lab results in seconds or minutes, not many basements are filled with pathologists looking at samples under a microscope these days. Shit gets turned around quick and with that viable studies emerge which creates clinical trials. So yeah for the 50’s and they rode them vaccines out on dinosaurs. 

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Wait so your rational is if the 1950’s took 2 years to produce a vaccine we should at least take a year??

dont know how much relevant medical experience you have but we get lab results in seconds or minutes, not many basements are filled with pathologists looking at samples under a microscope these days. Shit gets turned around quick and with that viable studies emerge which creates clinical trials. So yeah for the 50’s and they rode them vaccines out on dinosaurs. 

Here is one from very recently... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(91)91771-L/fulltext

 

Here is another...I will try to find the study....

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908963/Judges-demand-answers-children-die-controversial-cancer-vaccine-trial-India.html

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The daily mail about the HPV vaccine does not apply to the US the Supreme Court that is questioning the vaccine is in India. If you haven’t been in India it’s a SHIT HOLE we went 7 years ago and it was nothing but a slum. So the children that received the vaccine were most likely not a acceptable candidate based on the screening for the vaccine. We vaccinated our oldest daughter with that exact same vaccine. I have seen young women with cervical cancer that die a horrible death or a endure surgeries that forever change their lives. 
 

foreign countries DO NOT operate like the US in regards to medical practices. 
 

might as well compare the dahlia lama to Jesus Christ 

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The use of Edmonston-Zagreb high-titre (EZ-HT) vaccine at age 6 months has been recommended for countries in which measles before the age of 9 months is a substantial cause of death, but little is known about the long-term effects of high-titre live measles vaccines given early in life. In a randomised vaccine trial in a rural area of Senegal, children were randomly assigned at birth to three vaccine groups: EZ-HT at 5 months (n=336); Schwarz high-titre (SW-HT) at 5 months (n=321); and placebo at 5 months followed by standard low-titre Schwarz vaccine at 10 months (standard: n=358). All children were prospectively followed for 24-39 months in a well-established demographic surveillance system. Child mortality after immunisation was significantly higher in the two groups which received high-titre vaccines than in the group given the standard vaccine. The relative risk of death was 1·80 (95% confidence interval [CI] 1·18-2·74; p=0·007) in the EZ-HT group and 1·51 (0·97-2·34; p=0·07) in the SW-HT group compared with the standard group. The three vaccine groups were comparable as regards various social, family, and health characteristics, and there was no difference in mortality between children who received the standard vaccine and those who were eligible for the trial but did not take part for various reasons. The higher risk of death in the two high-titre vaccine groups remained significant in multivariate analyses. These findings suggest a need to reconsider the use of high-titre measles vaccines early in life in less developed countries.
 

once again this is a article that intends to interpret the data no sample sizes, variables, or quantifiable data is presented. 
 

let me ask just one question

have you EVER received a vaccine?

if you are here in the US then it’s most certainly a YES

if so how are you still alive?

as many people are vaccinated every day if this data was true where are the millions of dead children? Or is that where they are getting the lung cells to create more vaccines?

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a little light reading to get caught up on

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1 hour ago, JPilken said:

The daily mail about the HPV vaccine does not apply to the US the Supreme Court that is questioning the vaccine is in India. If you haven’t been in India it’s a SHIT HOLE we went 7 years ago and it was nothing but a slum. So the children that received the vaccine were most likely not a acceptable candidate based on the screening for the vaccine. We vaccinated our oldest daughter with that exact same vaccine. I have seen young women with cervical cancer that die a horrible death or a endure surgeries that forever change their lives. 
 

foreign countries DO NOT operate like the US in regards to medical practices. 
 

might as well compare the dahlia lama to Jesus Christ 

So....ok....Here is one for you then....   https://illinoisvaccineawareness.org/cdc-concedes-in-federal-court-it-does-not-have-studies-to-support-its-claim-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/       and....

 

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Stipulation-and-Order-Fully-Executed.pdf

 

Also...the vaccines were supplied from GAVI which is a conglomerate of investors including Bill Gates and your government....

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-health-bmgf-idUSKBN15N13K

 

Here is their risk assessment...  Pretty long and comprehensive:   https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/document/risk-policypdf.pdf

 

Stats for cervical cancer in the US....from CDC... virtually the same over many years despite the HPV....

 

 

cervical ca cdc.jpg

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Ok you clearly don’t want to hear anything but your own echos 

Illinois vaccine awareness is a anti-vac organisation 

I wonder what Bussiness they would be in. 😳🙄

as to bill gates and my government if you live within the CONUS then it’s yours to. 
I don’t give to rats about India do yourself a favor and travel to some of these wonder countries then let’s talk. 
Never mind the risk assessment is 4 pages and just a outline. No information present just a glorified mission statement. Dude your gonna need something solid or a new tin foil hat. 

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@ KCS  you clearly have spent a lot of time reading the same arguments and reinforcing your stance. If you are looking for giants to slay then Don Quixote go get them windmills. I can’t imagine that this occupies this much of your life and if so get a hobby. The only reason I even attempted is I have a minors in research primary focused on clinical concepts. So I read boring shit all the time and it’s easy to see the solid attempts to study a topic from the opinion pieces that you keep posting. 
get vaccinated or don’t your choice no one has come to your door and hogtied you and odds are this won’t get to that point. If you are that worried MOVE to another country posting shit about it won’t change anything. You are THE ONLY ONE IN CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE! 
best of luck man seriously  

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9 hours ago, KCS said:

Sorry Mega...no junk....There is actually overwhelming evidence to the contrary, but you wouldn't believe it if I shared it, so we can just agree to disagree. Those companies have great marketing...

 

Here is the CDC schedule...notice how many are on there. I got 3 when I was a kid. Found out later that 2 were contaminated and MANY people got ill. I ended up getting the chicken pox anyway naturally, and it went away in about a week and a half, no problem. Actually, I can remember our parents having "chicken pox parties" so that we would get it, get better, and move on with natural immunity. (Yes, there is such a thing that we already have at our disposal).  I have perfect health. Oh, also, those companies cannot get sued. Reagan passed the H.R.5546 - National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 99th . It is a perfect business model. New vaccines every year, lobbyists to get rid of exemptions, and they CANNOT BE SUED. Genius...

 

CDC schedule: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

 

                          https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

Lol. Yeah, when I was a kid, if onr got chicken pox, sometimes the doctor would say not to keep other siblings away, like you said, herd immunity.

     As for the Covid, I'm firmly convinced that it's not as deadly as the flu, by a ways, just more contagious, likely. I also believe they'll try to slip a tracking chip in through the needle, which they can do, they're that small. Other things I think are possible...a former pre-med student told me the other day that the Covid vaccine has RNA from animals; the RNA we naturally have reproduces DNA in cells as they die off, happens in each mammal the way I understand it. However, you get RNA from a different mammal, and it reproduces, or rewrites, our DNA as cells die and new ones grow, wth is that going to do? You can't have animal RNA rewriting human DNA, that is genetic engineering, is not? What in God's name would that do to a human? Or vice versa for that matter. Can't be good.

     This is what I was told, again, by a former (a mere 15 years ago) pre-med student who is well read in many things. This sounds like a good one for JPliken, LibertyPrime or Doug1943.

     And, check this out. This guy is a preacher, who also does some teaching/reporting on how events tie in with scripture.

     This guy does his homework. He starts out citing how actions of cops and orders of governors are anti-Constitutional and just plain ridiculous.

     Then he goes on and 3/4 of the way in he shows a website, maybe the CDC one, I forget already, where it shows clearly, stated by them, that they are absolutely, positively, beyond the shadow of a doubt, using the Kung Flu-WuFlu-Covid Caper-Fauci Farce-Gates Global Greed-Chinese Cha Cha, flu-bug-on-muscle-builder Ho Chi Min Happy Hour Hoax to implement the coup de 'grace on each nation's sovereignty, destroying our Constitution and try to force us to worship the system of the beast, if not the maybe soon to be revealed son of perdition (II Thess. 2:3,4), aka antichrist [those of you who don't believe the Bible, he, or she, will be a world dictator. These globalists are some real bastards in the fullest sense (Hebrews 12:8), some real doozies, like, they probably murder their parents and eat them and put their heads in a jar of formaldahyde, then use it for a dining table center piece, I mean, Adolph Hitler would salivate over having them in his ranks, real winners. Like, if God showed them explicitly what heaven is like, they'd turn it down to go to hell:

 

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3 hours ago, Liberty Prime said:

You mean what we can already do with a cell phone?

Yeah, but we can leave a cell phone at home. You want a chip in you so some gov rogue or civ criminal can track you? Or the battery blow up or something? Or, and this is what it really is, so you can be considered to have made total obeisance to the government?

     Since you brought it up, it's a hoax that people believe an app in a phone can be used to enforce social distancing. GPS isn't near that accurate.

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I was not surprised at all when I heard those words come out of his mouth. 

 

I also have absolutely no faith AT ALL that the vaccine will not be a hot shot.  It may not kill you right away but it will over time.  Either by completely depleting your immune system making even a Cold Virus deadly to you.  Possibly massive increase you chances of a deadly cancer (as in many 1000s%).  Definitely sterilization, hell that has been documented many many times even here in the USA with Gardisil.  I won't take it even if God Emperor Trump declares it by edict and Congress signs off on it.

 

The trucks carrying those boxes of vaccine might get into more than a few accidents enroute....

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On 5/21/2020 at 7:33 AM, Megatron said:

Yet you eat McDonalds and everything else made from processed garbage.    

 

Not all vaccines are terrible and the majority are extremely important.  Also why small pox and polio don't exist.   However the covid19 is getting rapidly produced without trials or long term testing. Which is  the issue.

Yeah, when everyone's kids start swinging from the chandeleres, eating bunches of leaves and bananas and won't come down from the trees, they'll wake up. Lol.

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I'm not anti-vaccine.  In fact, I believe vaccines work in certain circumstances with certain diseases.  

 

My concern is that vaccines can be manipulated and can be utilized as a delivery vehicle for things that can harm people... aka weaponized.  The only way vaccines can be effectively administered is if those institutions manufacturing and administering said vaccines are incredibly transparent and don't stink of political corruption.  Unfortunately, a lot of people mistrust vaccines not because they aren't effective... they mistrust the people behind the vaccines.  It doesn't help when you have the likes of Bill Gates, Bilderberg, Environmental Activists, and other anti-human / depopulation types pushing money into industries that do said vaccine work.  

 

All that being said... I'm increasingly bothered by the idea that we can just concoct a vaccine for Covid-19.  I'm not saying it is impossible.  But, those virus types along with the common cold are notoriously impossible to treat with vaccines.  I've said it elsewhere on the forum... in connection with things like sars and mers.  If they develop a vaccine, I have no intentions on getting it... only because I don't believe they can make an effective vaccine for this particular virus.  A vaccine is not a silver bullet.  There are many diseases out there in the world that cannot be treated with a vaccine.  I believe Covid-19 is one of those.

 

Again, I'm not anti-vax.  I'm very suspicious of the financial powers and politically driven science agenda pushing them... and the money trail gives me good reason to be concerned.  

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On 5/21/2020 at 2:53 PM, JPilken said:

@ KCS  you clearly have spent a lot of time reading the same arguments and reinforcing your stance. If you are looking for giants to slay then Don Quixote go get them windmills. I can’t imagine that this occupies this much of your life and if so get a hobby. The only reason I even attempted is I have a minors in research primary focused on clinical concepts. So I read boring shit all the time and it’s easy to see the solid attempts to study a topic from the opinion pieces that you keep posting. 
get vaccinated or don’t your choice no one has come to your door and hogtied you and odds are this won’t get to that point. If you are that worried MOVE to another country posting shit about it won’t change anything. You are THE ONLY ONE IN CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE! 
best of luck man seriously  

 Reading medical journals IS my hobby...

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2050312120925344

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Reading medical journals IS my hobby...

 Then you need a better one.

 

one last try on this 

 

1st off it has already been determined that a persons zip code can be the highest influencer on a persons health. 
 

you article which it was. It was not a research study or a medically led assessment 

 

please see authors and check credentials 

 

they compared various studies and used there studies to compose the articles 

many college undergraduates do the same. That being said it’s a opinion piece. And just like your opinion it only carries so much weight. Roughly enough to ruffle your feathers and that means dick to the informed. 
 

one study was a convince study and those are a complete bullshit. It’s like going into a McDonald’s and saying 100 percent of people like McDonald’s. BECAUSE you were in a F ing McDonald’s. 

 

the other one lists adverse reactions well genius my wife has a cough due to linsinopril and that’s a adverse reaction. Is she dead no is it life threatening no it is a adverse reaction. 
 

I can go one but I have already wasted my time trying to educate some that refuse the ignored facts. 
 

fact people are living far longer than ever. Don’t believe it? That’s called selective information selection. 
 

before vaccines polio measles mumps and many others have killed more than any war 

 

so what’s worse getting a Scooby Doo sticker and a sore shoulder or killing billions because you want Your way. 
 

either way you aren’t gonna prove anything the world has already moved away from “vaccines are bad” just look at the gross number of vaccinated people a day and tell me where all the autistic kids are and how many are dying before in their 40’s 

 

I read medical journals for a hobby is bull shit they are as dry as Moab desert in July. 

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1 hour ago, JPilken said:

Reading medical journals IS my hobby...

 Then you need a better one.

 

one last try on this 

 

1st off it has already been determined that a persons zip code can be the highest influencer on a persons health. 
 

you article which it was. It was not a research study or a medically led assessment 

 

please see authors and check credentials 

 

they compared various studies and used there studies to compose the articles 

many college undergraduates do the same. That being said it’s a opinion piece. And just like your opinion it only carries so much weight. Roughly enough to ruffle your feathers and that means dick to the informed. 
 

one study was a convince study and those are a complete bullshit. It’s like going into a McDonald’s and saying 100 percent of people like McDonald’s. BECAUSE you were in a F ing McDonald’s. 

 

the other one lists adverse reactions well genius my wife has a cough due to linsinopril and that’s a adverse reaction. Is she dead no is it life threatening no it is a adverse reaction. 
 

I can go one but I have already wasted my time trying to educate some that refuse the ignored facts. 
 

fact people are living far longer than ever. Don’t believe it? That’s called selective information selection. 
 

before vaccines polio measles mumps and many others have killed more than any war 

 

so what’s worse getting a Scooby Doo sticker and a sore shoulder or killing billions because you want Your way. 
 

either way you aren’t gonna prove anything the world has already moved away from “vaccines are bad” just look at the gross number of vaccinated people a day and tell me where all the autistic kids are and how many are dying before in their 40’s 

 

I read medical journals for a hobby is bull shit they are as dry as Moab desert in July. 

 

 

Perhaps if the government wasnt involved in using the population as Guinea pigs in medical experiments.

 

Or they rush it and create wild permanent side effects that you later see in the future lawsuits.  

 

Or worse if your in the military. You know they give you the worst and out dated or experiential garbage.

 

I'd say if you trust the government cool.  Line up for a vaccines that wont protect you from what's basically a strong cold.

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I think there maybe some

misconceptions in regards to the government and the pharmaceutical side of this. Yes the government has issued a order to produce a vaccine. The largest manufacturers of vaccines were already working on one before the order was issued. Pharmaceutical companies are always looking for a new source of revenue that’s their marketing plan. No different than any other Bussiness. The concern that we are all guinea pigs, well they can’t field test every sole and thus you will have a percentage of adverse affects. Just try to design a shoe now say that 100% of everyone will wear it. Odds are it won’t work for many. If you think we can create a IM vaccine that won’t have side effects then stop reading and start digging your bunker. As to the military I served 9 years and experienced good to excellent care for those years. My father in law was a airforce physician and speaks very highly of the advancements that he observed during his career. I’m sure as I am a health care worker I’ll get a vaccine sooner rather than later. I’ll keep you posted and if I stop arguing I’m dead.  

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On 5/21/2020 at 7:37 AM, JPilken said:

Just a guess here but.... I am willing to bet that personnel in high risk of exposure will receive a vaccination first and it will trickle down from there. So... some here won’t be the first, second and or even the third to get it. 
as to the ones that know one person that has had it “and it wasn’t that bad” that’s great, but for they ones that you don’t hear from it’s because they are intubated. 
I would have hoped that before everyone goes and spews more fake news they would do some clinical research. Yeah yeah the CDC is da devil and who can you trust?? Well someone that has a YouTube video is surely the only option after all their credentials totally check out. 🙄🙄or just stick with the paranoia and hype in a year you won’t be vaccinated and that third arm won’t have grown out. You will be ok. 
 

Listen to what the Democrats are saying.  They give their plans in bits and peices.  If the Democrats win and make The New World Order take over, yes, we all will be vaccinated.  If you refuse, you will be sent to a camp to live.

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