I am bothered by the president's tweet.

[Cherokee 48]

I don't like it.

[Matt In West Virginia 998]

It is easy to assume the worst in any case where the President says he will send "the military" to operate on US soil. But this wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Breaking up Bonus Army protests in 1932

In the midst of the Great Depression, thousands of World War I veterans gathered in Washington, D.C. to demand the government pay out the service certificate bonuses the veterans received after the war. The veterans, known as the Bonus Army, set up an Army-style camp in vacant lots and refused to leave even after a bill to pay out their bonuses was squashed in the Senate. A D.C. police effort to evict the veterans turned violent and two protestors were shot. After the failed police effort, President Herbert Hoover ordered the Army, led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, to clear out the camps. The Army shot tear gas and torched the camp as veterans fled. 

 

Integration in Little Rock, AR in 1957

President Dwight Eisenhower used an executive order to send troops to Little Rock, AR in 1957 to enforce the integration of Central High School. Eisenhower sent troops to Little Rock after Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus deployed the Arkansas National Guard to uphold racial segregation and block nine African American students from entering the school.

 

Civil right march from Selma to Montgomery in 1965

After a civil rights activist was fatally shot by Alabama state troopers, civil rights leaders organized a march from Selma to Montgomery, led by Hosea Williams and John Lewis, now a Georgia congressman. After crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge, the marchers met a wall of state troopers, who attacked the marchers will clubs and tear gas in an incident known as Bloody Sunday. A second march took place without violence, but Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. turned the demonstrators around when troopers again blocked the bridge. After Alabama Governor George Wallace refused to issue the demonstrators protection for a third march, President Lyndon Johnson federalized the Alabama National Guard to protect the marchers as they walked towards the state capitol.

 

1970 U.S. postal strike

After declaring a national emergency, President Richard Nixon deployed the National Guard to New York City to distribute mail during the eight-day U.S. postal strike in 1970. At least 150,000 postal carriers joined the nationwide strike to demand higher wages and better working conditions. The effects of the strike greatly impacted the country as important government, finance, and industry documents, as well as Vietnam War draft notices, failed to be delivered.

 

U.S.-Mexico border in 2010

President Barack Obama deployed 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border in 2010 to help combat drug trafficking and the potential for spillover violence. Obama’s deployment succeeded President George W. Bush’s Operation Jump Start, which deployed 6,000 guards to surveil the southern border in 2006. 

[Headhunter 515]

I understand everyone's attitude towards the use of force by the military.  That said, no government will allow civil unrest to go on for too long (defined by the government) without using force.  It really is that simple.  That's why we who are members of MyMilitia have to control our emotions, and not let them spill over into violence.  Here in 2020, we're walking on a tightrope.  One move over the edge, and we fall.

 

I'm just urging caution, not only in actions, but in words.

 

@Matt, when they broke up the Bonus Army, not only MacArthur but General Patton was involved.

[Cherokee 48]

I'm concerned about a "nutcase" reading this and becoming incited. And I'm talking about nutcases on all sides.

 

I haven't heard a peep out of ISIS for almost 2 yrs......past 72 hours, lots of activity.

[Matt In West Virginia 998]

8 minutes ago, Headhunter said:

@Matt, when they broke up the Bonus Army, not only MacArthur but General Patton was involved

Awesome information, Brother. Thank you! I didn't know. I'll have to read a little more on it.

 

[Rascaldees 174]

25 minutes ago, Headhunter said:

I understand everyone's attitude towards the use of force by the military.  That said, no government will allow civil unrest to go on for too long (defined by the government) without using force.  It really is that simple.  That's why we who are members of MyMilitia have to control our emotions, and not let them spill over into violence.  Here in 2020, we're walking on a tightrope.  One move over the edge, and we fall.

 

I'm just urging caution, not only in actions, but in words.

 

@Matt, when they broke up the Bonus Army, not only MacArthur but General Patton was involved.

We need more milita folks like you. 

[AvidC 34]

Everyone should be concerned not only about his latest tweets but the executive order he just signed regulating social media. More freedoms being taken under the disguise of "fairness". 

[Todd A. Slee 1,466]

I agree on using any military to secure our borders, and to quench riots and looting, just not as law enforcement.

[RevRifleman 1,512]

What don't you like?  When the looting starts the shooting starts is pretty accurate.  People seem to be assuming that Trump means that looters will be shot by the military.  That's not necessarily the context.  I read it as saying that chaos continues to devolve.  Looting eventually leads to people arming themselves to protect their homes and businesses.  That devolves into looters arming up to shoot people defending their property... And so forth.  Trump is saying if things continue to spiral out of control thd Military will have to intervene as the region will have essentially become a war zone.  

[Headhunter 515]

21 hours ago, Rascaldees said:

We need more milita folks like you. 

 

Thank you, sir!

[Guest Fed up]

22 minutes ago, Headhunter said:

 

Thank you, sir!

Fist of steel in a padded glove!

[GLCsector3295 207]

On 5/29/2020 at 11:47 AM, Matt In West Virginia said:

It is easy to assume the worst in any case where the President says he will send "the military" to operate on US soil. But this wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Breaking up Bonus Army protests in 1932

In the midst of the Great Depression, thousands of World War I veterans gathered in Washington, D.C. to demand the government pay out the service certificate bonuses the veterans received after the war. The veterans, known as the Bonus Army, set up an Army-style camp in vacant lots and refused to leave even after a bill to pay out their bonuses was squashed in the Senate. A D.C. police effort to evict the veterans turned violent and two protestors were shot. After the failed police effort, President Herbert Hoover ordered the Army, led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, to clear out the camps. The Army shot tear gas and torched the camp as veterans fled. 

 

Integration in Little Rock, AR in 1957

President Dwight Eisenhower used an executive order to send troops to Little Rock, AR in 1957 to enforce the integration of Central High School. Eisenhower sent troops to Little Rock after Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus deployed the Arkansas National Guard to uphold racial segregation and block nine African American students from entering the school.

 

Civil right march from Selma to Montgomery in 1965

After a civil rights activist was fatally shot by Alabama state troopers, civil rights leaders organized a march from Selma to Montgomery, led by Hosea Williams and John Lewis, now a Georgia congressman. After crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge, the marchers met a wall of state troopers, who attacked the marchers will clubs and tear gas in an incident known as Bloody Sunday. A second march took place without violence, but Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. turned the demonstrators around when troopers again blocked the bridge. After Alabama Governor George Wallace refused to issue the demonstrators protection for a third march, President Lyndon Johnson federalized the Alabama National Guard to protect the marchers as they walked towards the state capitol.

 

1970 U.S. postal strike

After declaring a national emergency, President Richard Nixon deployed the National Guard to New York City to distribute mail during the eight-day U.S. postal strike in 1970. At least 150,000 postal carriers joined the nationwide strike to demand higher wages and better working conditions. The effects of the strike greatly impacted the country as important government, finance, and industry documents, as well as Vietnam War draft notices, failed to be delivered.

 

U.S.-Mexico border in 2010

President Barack Obama deployed 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border in 2010 to help combat drug trafficking and the potential for spillover violence. Obama’s deployment succeeded President George W. Bush’s Operation Jump Start, which deployed 6,000 guards to surveil the southern border in 2006. 

Everyone always forgets these times in history, and there is always this cry of, beware of martial law / troops on the streets etc.

 

well if active military were not to intervene in the above mentioned, and are never to be used to stop an insurrection and or riots at the level we are seeing, then exactly when is a good example of when Martial law/  and Troops, should be used ? For those that are opposed. If the answer is never, then everyone should stop complaining about the riots, and no one should do anything but let these cities burn to the ground.

 

( which for these democrat cities would actually be an improvement )

[Guest Fed up]

Destruction of our great nation is never good.

[Doug1943 1,614]

We have got right to the heart of the matter here, which is really: what is legitimate government?

 

First of all, what is government: government are the people who can make you do things by force and who claim 'legitimacy' for it.

They can take your money.  So can an armed robber, but he doesn't -- unless he has a sense of humor -- claim to be doing it legitimately, to meet the needs of society.

 

Many people like to seize on the similarities, and put government and armed robbers into the same category.  The implication is that we don't need government. It's pointless to argue with someone who believes this, just as it's pointless to argue with a pacifist (who is against all use of force under any circumstances), or people who think we're being controlled by invisible rays.

 

We've got to have government.  We've got to keep it under control. Both are true.

 

If an armed band of men who were foreign citizens marched across our borders, shooting and burning buildings as they came, would the government be justified in using the military to stop them?

If you answered, 'No', stop reading here.  If you answered 'yes', carry on.

 

If an armed band of men who were foreign citizens got into the country via one of the sophisticated tunnels the drug cartels use, or infiltrated in wearing civiies, and then suddenly assembled in the midst of our big cities .... would the government be justified in using the miltiary to stop them?

If you answered 'No', it's only justified if the men start on one side of the border, on the surface, and march, on the surface, across the border.  If they infiltrate and suddenly appear, it's not fair to use the military -- if you answered that, stop reading here. If you answered 'yes, it's fair', carry on.

 

If  armed bands of men appeared in the middle of our cities to shoot and loot and burn, but ... they were technically American citizens ... would the government be justified in using the military to stop them? Or does their American citizenship mean that only the police can try to handle it?  Does their (technical) American citizenship mean they can commit mass murder and arson without a response from the military.  If you say 'Yes, they can', then you're really on the wrong planet.

 

The military can be mis-used. The police can be mis-used. The schools can be mis-used. Alcohol can be mis-used.

 

That doesn't mean that we therefore condemn ALL of their uses ALL of the time.  Just common sense.  (But clearly, patriotism is such a strong emotion that occasionally, in some people, it burns out their common sense.)