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Yes if they are invited, but they better be well versed in their state's and localities laws concerning self defense, defense of others, and property. It'd be really easy to end up in some places to snag a charge and catch a civil suit.

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14 minutes ago, Justin Kropp said:

We can't just sit by and watch criminals and radical political groups destroy our town. 

 

Depends on what your willing to risk 


“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – General George S. Patton

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We have to walk a fine line, but the local pharmacies and groceries are being looted and burned. I hate that we have to care about the public image. I care about the Americans who are trying to do right but dont know their rights, and are forced to accept this as normal. From my perspective there are Americans behind enemy lines, white black and brown, and they need help. There are young kids laying in bed tonight, assuming that this is America and they dont have a shot. Hearing their neighborhoods being destroyed by those older brothers and friends they look up to. This hurts me.

 

We just dont have a good network to help them and reach out. We need a serious outline for this stuff. It hurts to know we are willing and able to help, but will be cast in a negative light unless we are very careful.

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The consensus here seems to be:  Possibly, but be very careful.  Watch out for the legal problems.  If a looter gets shot, expect the reflex response of the Establishment to be, 'Poor little protestor, shot by an evil neoNazi!" 

 

But if you're part of a cool-headed group, and have been invited by the people whose property is threatened, then it's worth considering.

 

Watch out for provocateurs.  In particular, every unit should have someone in command, and no one should pull a trigger except on the word of command, and should stop firing when they hear the "Cease Fire".  In fact, the commander of such a unit should require that all weapons have magazines out, and bolts/cocking handles back so that the chamber can be checked that it's not got a round in it, with  magazines not to be inserted except on command, and weapons not to be cocked except on command.  (Can the AR15 be set to have an open chamber? I don't remember, but you get the point.)

 

Firing over the heads of protestors, or up in the air entirely, should precede aimed shots, and the latter are ONLY justifiable if your life is being threatened.   At this time above all we need solid legal advice about self-defense.  Remember, everything is political and  a militia unit made up of white men will NOT receive the half-respecting coverage that the 'rooftop Koreans' did during the Rodney King riot.

 

Any militia unit mobilized in riot sitution had better have tried to liaise with police or National Guard, and had better have locals mixed in with it.

 

Think about it: suppose a group of ten or twenty militia people, with serious weaponry, show up at a some place where they end up, say, on the rooftop of a store, protecting it.

Now suppose you are an intelligent enemy, over on the other side ... cold-blooded, looking to win -- not a 'tactical' victory where you loot a shop and get a TV or some drugs, but  a

major national propaganda victory, maybe one which will start an investigation and legal attack against the militia movement.

 

What would you want to see happen?  That's right, a massacre of your own side.  You would want, somehow, to provoke that militia unit into emptying its magazines into a crowd of screaming 'protestors'.

 

How could you do that? A well-timed and well-aimed single shot at the militia unit? 

 

In Northern Ireland, nearly fifty years ago, a batallion of British 'paras' -- their Airborne -- faced a similar situation.  And started shooting.  A huge victory for the IRA.  Read about it here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

 

Normally, the hot air merchants  --  "Time to do something NOW!" -- are just amusing, or annoying.  They do the work of the enemy, probably without realizing it.

But in this situation, such a person could do something which would result in an enormous propaganda defeat for us.

 


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Here's the statement of the national leadership of the Three Percenters -- Original.

It seems very sensible to me:

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Response to Riots Across the U.S.

May 31, 2020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO ALL TTPO MEMBERS

RE: Response to Riots Across the U.S.

As we watch the violent riots going on across the U.S. currently, we would like to address our organization's position in the matter. The Three Percenters - Original recognizes and appreciates the right of peaceful protests through marches and assembly. However, violent and destructive riots and blatant theft are criminal behaviors that dishonor the search for justice.

As TTPO we will not stand to see these individuals destroy our America, destroy American businesses and rise against our government in such a violent manner. We will also not respond in the same violent manner. As a member, we encourage you to join or organize peaceful counter-protests. Violence should not be our response at this time. If attending a peaceful protest this should be done without battle-rattle, no open carry, and in soft clothing.

Leaders please note: If you plan on attending, you must have a strategic plan that includes headcount in and out, maps, comms, medic, ingress/egress points, etc. Avoid all acts of violence, but if necessary, only in self defense. Safety above all.

National Council

The Three Percenters - Original


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This is relevant: https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-self-defense-laws-in-most-states-say-when-a-mob-surrounds-and-attacks-you-in-public-a-car-or-at-home

 

The man answering questions there should be enlisted into the Militia Movement, if he is not already.


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13 hours ago, Megatron said:

Go for it,  its about the only thing you can do to help

But what about the mraps!!! Oh no we must not do anything because they'll just mow us down!!

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10 minutes ago, 302straub said:

Even if invited to protect a local business keep in mind that showing up in full battle rattle is an open invitation for the local media to change the narrative to suit their needs. Just sayin.....

Sure, but we can't just sit by and do nothing because we're scared.

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6 minutes ago, Fed up said:

Sure, but we can't just sit by and do nothing because we're scared.

Okay. So what are you going to do?


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5 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Okay. So what are you going to do?

Make a calculated and well informed move with fellow militia. 

 

What are you doing?

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1 minute ago, Fed up said:

Make a calculated and well informed move with fellow militia. 

 

What are you doing?

I'm 3000 miles away, so I can't do anything.

If I were in the US, and in a militia group, of course I would want to make "a calculated and well informed move with fellow militia".

But that could mean anything ... from staying at home, to all turning up at the site of the next riot locked and loaded.

 

You seem to be urging everyone to tool up and get down to where the action is, regardless of circumstances.

But maybe I'm wrong. So .. what information would you need to be "well informed" .. and how would you calculate what to do?

 

W should realize that a hasty move by a bunch of militia people ... for instance, going uninvited into an area, especially a Black area ... could provoke some sort of shoot-out which would be a terrible public relations defeat for us.  It might assauge someone's sense of manhood, but it would be a total disaster for the militia movement, and great victory for the Left.

 

Because that's what's at stake here:  the perception, by the broad middle of America, of the narrative of these riots.

 

The Hard Left want to see it played like this:  "The police are all hardcore racists, who murder innocent Black people all the time. We've had enough! This is a righteous response!"  And a lot of the MSM are going along with this.  

We should want to see it played like this: Yes, the police have been going over the line ... why, just a couple of months ago they murdered one of OURs... and there was no outcry, for some reason.  We support peaceful protest of these crimes. But ...  these protests have been taken over by people who want NO law enforcement of any sort in their areas. They're the hard core behind the socialist fluff. Elect the fluffy socialists, and you'll get these people as well.   As for us, we stand ready to come to the aid of anyone whose life or business is being threatened, if we're asked.

 

Of course, if it's YOUR town or neighborhood that's being threatened, that's different. The problem is going somewhere else.

 

I believe the National Council of the Three Percenters -- Original -- pretty well gets it right:
 

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As we watch the violent riots going on across the U.S. currently, we would like to address our organization's position in the matter. The Three Percenters - Original recognizes and appreciates the right of peaceful protests through marches and assembly. However, violent and destructive riots and blatant theft are criminal behaviors that dishonor the search for justice.

As TTPO we will not stand to see these individuals destroy our America, destroy American businesses and rise against our government in such a violent manner. We will also not respond in the same violent manner. As a member, we encourage you to join or organize peaceful counter-protests. Violence should not be our response at this time. If attending a peaceful protest this should be done without battle-rattle, no open carry, and in soft clothing.

Leaders please note: If you plan on attending, you must have a strategic plan that includes headcount in and out, maps, comms, medic, ingress/egress points, etc. Avoid all acts of violence, but if necessary, only in self defense. Safety above all.

 

 

One more thing to think about: there are undoubtedly a number of enemy provocateurs within our ranks, pretending to support the militia movement, but actually aiming to harm it.

What will they be saying right now? What would they want us to do?


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6 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I'm 3000 miles away, so I can't do anything.

If I were in the US, and in a militia group, of course I would want to make "a calculated and well informed move with fellow militia".

But that could mean anything ... from staying at home, to all turning up at the site of the next riot locked and loaded.

 

You seem to be urging everyone to tool up and get down to where the action is, regardless of circumstances.

But maybe I'm wrong. So .. what information would you need to be "well informed" .. and how would you calculate what to do?

 

W should realize that a hasty move by a bunch of militia people ... for instance, going uninvited into an area, especially a Black area ... could provoke some sort of shoot-out which would be a terrible public relations defeat for us.  It might assauge someone's sense of manhood, but it would be a total disaster for the militia movement, and great victory for the Left.

 

Because that's what's at stake here:  the perception, by the broad middle of America, of the narrative of these riots.

 

The Hard Left want to see it played like this:  "The police are all hardcore racists, who murder innocent Black people all the time. We've had enough! This is a righteous response!"  And a lot of the MSM are going along with this.  

We should want to see it played like this: Yes, the police have been going over the line ... why, just a couple of months ago they murdered one of OURs... and there was no outcry, for some reason.  We support peaceful protest of these crimes. But ...  these protests have been taken over by people who want NO law enforcement of any sort in their areas. They're the hard core behind the socialist fluff. Elect the fluffy socialists, and you'll get these people as well.   As for us, we stand ready to come to the aid of anyone whose life or business is being threatened, if we're asked.

 

Of course, if it's YOUR town or neighborhood that's being threatened, that's different. The problem is going somewhere else.

 

I believe the National Council of the Three Percenters -- Original -- pretty well gets it right:
 

 

One more thing to think about: there are undoubtedly a number of enemy provocateurs within our ranks, pretending to support the militia movement, but actually aiming to harm it.

What will they be saying right now? What would they want us to do?

I have no idea where you get the opinion that you have to say what you did about what I am talking about on these forum threads. I am very aware about the optics of the situation in which I talk about, fighting must be reserved to the very last and bitter end because none of us know what that entails because we don't and that's final. This is going to be nasty, this is going to be long and drawn-out but we must do everything we can to make a calculated and very precise move against our enemy and that is ignorance, government, families like the rothschilds, misinformation, misunderstanding, and lots of other things like what I just said. It's not just about the physical aspect, it's everything that entails actually making real change.

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13 hours ago, Justin Kropp said:

We can't just sit by and watch criminals and radical political groups destroy our town. 

Of course not!

If there is an area where they are likely to attack -- with big shops to loot -- you should find out what steps are being taken to protect them, and then publically -- via an electronic press release to the local media -- offer to help defend these areas.  The ideal situation would be if local Black-owned or Asian- or Hispanic-owned businesses asked for your help. 

 

Beware of provocateurs within your group, who will urge hasty action, who will call anyone who counsels caution a 'coward', who will play on your emotions.  The Hard Left would love nothing better than for half a dozen rioters -- ideally, including a pretty teenage white girl -- to get their brains blown out by militia members. 


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Just now, Fed up said:

I have no idea where you get the opinion that you have to say what you did about what I am talking about on these forum threads. I am very aware about the optics of the situation in which I talk about, fighting must be reserved to the very last and bitter end because none of us know what that entails because we don't and that's final. This is going to be nasty, this is going to be long and drawn-out but we must do everything we can to make a calculated and very precise move against our enemy and that is ignorance, government, families like the rothschilds, misinformation, misunderstanding, and lots of other things like what I just said. It's not just about the physical aspect, it's everything that entails actually making real change.

Ah, the Rothchilds, eh?  Now I know where you're coming from.


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5 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Ah, the Rothchilds, eh?  Now I know where you're coming from.

They own the debt, which in turn creates the narrative, which in turn creates the optics of all situations.

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6 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Ah, the Rothchilds, eh?  Now I know where you're coming from.

Everyone is so laser focused on singular issues but it's not just one thing all things and everything that matters.

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15 hours ago, Lucas Peyton said:

Do you think it’s plausible for local militia members to help protect local business from looters and rioters

I really thought that was in part the purpose of militias was to help repel riots like what we are seeing, to be a minute man, and be able to scramble together on a moments notice to help protect local store owners .

 

But I guess , in areas that we are witnessing things take place, maybe there just isn't a local militia around , let alone one that can deal with such violence and not have it escalate,  more over, how would a local store owner even know to ask for help from a local militia.  It isn't like there is an 1800 number for them to call.  An then if said local militia isn't established and well known in a community, it is unlikely that one would reach out to even ask for help.  But to just voluntarily risk ones neck for an establishment that didn't ask for help, more over is probably a corporate owned business that has insurance out the ying yang, those kinds of places are not likely to want and or even acknowledge help by a local militia, versus a locally owned business .

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1 minute ago, Fed up said:

Everyone is so laser focused on singular issues but it's not just one thing all things and everything that matters.

That is absolutely true.  It's the great weakness of the militia movement, that its political understanding is still rather shallow, compared to its military and related expertise.  If, as von Clausewitz famously said, 'War is diplomacy carried on by other means',  then we've got to understand the 'diplomacy' -- ie the politics -- before we carry on war.

 

And the bankers are definitely part of the problem. But not just a particular ethnic group among them. Maybe you didn't mean it, but almost always, when someone says 'the Rothchilds', they mean, 'the Jews'.  And we're off into 'the socialism of fools'.  Another time, maybe on another forum, we should discuss Zionism and Israel and Kevin MacDonald's thesis, but not now.

 

Right now, everyone must be considering how to respond to these riots, without falling into the traps our enemies would love to see us fall into, namely, to become the 'Far Right Outsiders' in the MSM narrative.


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