How to Fight: Part VII: Militia Drones

[Rascaldees 174]

Drones are without a doubt exceptionally useful tools. Even now drones are becoming more and more common in the civilian world as they are used for photography and exploration and in some cases even fire suppression. We will avoid the political topic of drones as that is now the purposes of the discussion here. 

 

A drone can be useful to a militia member for a variety of reasons from recon to surveillance. It limits the exposure of troops during recon and also keeps allies safe behind friendly lines. They cannot be used for attacking remote locations unfortunately due to their fragility as well as their inability to carry heavy loads nor stay stabilized during flight after firing rounds. They may be used for minor resupply missions as well as used in missions to carry messages. 

 

Do keep in mind, in many of these situations, it is very possible a drone could be intercepted or shot down. Therefore we will discuss ways to utilize drones as well as to mitigate these potential interceptions. 

 

 

Recon: 

 

A drone is useful for recon because it does not allow your enemy to know where your forces are unless they are already very close when you launch the drone. These drones can be had for approximately four hundred dollars at the writing of this topic. While it is a serious investment it also means that your foes cannot see where your troops are during recon; meaning you can recon multiple sides of a compound or area and attack from any direction you see fit rather than only being able to recon from one side. 

 

Drones, however, are not quiet and most of them cannot fly exceptionally high in the civilian market. Drones are best used from a distance to obscure their noise. Likewise, if there is already a lot of noise in the area due to generators or due to vehicles or any other noise sources it will help to allow your drone to get closer. Many drones have exceptional imaging software and cameras so taking pictures from a distance shouldn't be too much of a hassle. 

 

 

Surveillance: 

 

Much like recon a drone is useful for surveillance of an area because of your enemy's inability to track it down to the source. While triangulating the source of a drone's signal is possible in an area where there are constantly dozens of signals being transmitted it is possible to mask that signature. Please do keep in mind no plan survives full contact with an enemy and these tactics will need to be developed by others with more expertise than myself. Nevertheless; having an effectively anonymous platform viewing an area much like a mobile camera can mean the different between an early warning and an ambush on a location. In a situation where triangulation of a signal is not possible (such as a SHTF scenario and we are WROL) these drones become agents of chaos on an unparalleled scale. 

 

 

Fire Suppression: 

 

Most militia fleeing to the woods never consider the danger that comes with living there; such as wild fires. There is a reason most of the US in the Great Plains is not settled. Detecting wild fires early can lead to an evacuation being unnecessary. Likewise if the fire is already out of control it can mean that evacuations can be had earlier than usual to avoid loss of life, property and to limit the amount of damage. Wild fires are not like typical fires; digging fire lanes will NOT stop them as wild fires are known to 'jump' these lanes by flinging hot ashes well beyond where most typical fire lanes can cover. 

 

 

Emergency Resupply: 

 

Larger, more expensive, drones can even carry packages which means that a militia group radioing for help because they're running out of ammunition does not have to wait solely for a truck to reach them. Drones can fly above tree lines and carry these packages at speeds similar to most motor vehicles. Likewise these drones can be used to drop a few hundred rounds to a group. This is not a means to fully resupply the group but when coupled with larger resupply packages can stave off a loss of ammo, food, water until a proper supply mission can be had. Additionally, via the use of dozens of drones, it could entirely replace resupply convoys although a militia with that many drones likely does not need to even worry about resupply. 

 

 

Unit Harassment: 

 

The primary problem of an enemy unit retreating is that they are either fleeing to a more fortified position or can simply outrun your forces. A drone helps to mitigate the latter problem AND helps to inform the chasing unit of the former problem by following the fleeing unit from a safe distance. Drones are small and hard to hit from extreme ranges; meaning your enemy will likely expend great amounts of munitions trying to take one down if they even know it's there. If militia coordinate together then the groups can swap messages and place ambushes along the road for units that are already fleeing combat who will be exhausted, without many supplies and additionally fleeing with broken morale. 

 

 

 

I'll see you all in part eight. 

[Guest Fed up]

 

[Guest Fed up]

This guy is an important source of information to me personally because he doesn't focus on one type of topic.

[MBR 224]

On 5/31/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

Recon: 

 

A drone is useful for recon because it does not allow your enemy to know where your forces are unless they are already very close when you launch the drone. These drones can be had for approximately four hundred dollars at the writing of this topic. While it is a serious investment it also means that your foes cannot see where your troops are during recon; meaning you can recon multiple sides of a compound or area and attack from any direction you see fit rather than only being able to recon from one side. 

 

False, your controller will give away your location, most consumer drones operate on unlicensed frequencies, commonly 2.4GHz and it is very easy to locate the source of the control data.  

On 5/31/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

Drones, however, are not quiet and most of them cannot fly exceptionally high in the civilian market. Drones are best used from a distance to obscure their noise. Likewise, if there is already a lot of noise in the area due to generators or due to vehicles or any other noise sources it will help to allow your drone to get closer. Many drones have exceptional imaging software and cameras so taking pictures from a distance shouldn't be too much of a hassle. 

Per FAA FAR's drones are limited to very low altitudes, but toss those rules aside and they can operate at much higher altitudes and many times the imaging is still quite useful, I have flown drones at 1800 AGL and was still able to get a good idea of that is happening on the ground.  

On 5/31/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

 

Surveillance: 

 

Much like recon a drone is useful for surveillance of an area because of your enemy's inability to track it down to the source. While triangulating the source of a drone's signal is possible in an area where there are constantly dozens of signals being transmitted it is possible to mask that signature. Please do keep in mind no plan survives full contact with an enemy and these tactics will need to be developed by others with more expertise than myself. Nevertheless; having an effectively anonymous platform viewing an area much like a mobile camera can mean the different between an early warning and an ambush on a location. In a situation where triangulation of a signal is not possible (such as a SHTF scenario and we are WROL) these drones become agents of chaos on an unparalleled scale. 

 

Sorry, most drones do not use spread spectrum channel switching and finding the controller is not all that difficult, another way to find the owner is to take the drone out and wait for the owner to come looking for it. 

 

On 5/31/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

 

Emergency Resupply: 

 

Larger, more expensive, drones can even carry packages which means that a militia group radioing for help because they're running out of ammunition does not have to wait solely for a truck to reach them. Drones can fly above tree lines and carry these packages at speeds similar to most motor vehicles. Likewise these drones can be used to drop a few hundred rounds to a group. This is not a means to fully resupply the group but when coupled with larger resupply packages can stave off a loss of ammo, food, water until a proper supply mission can be had. Additionally, via the use of dozens of drones, it could entirely replace resupply convoys although a militia with that many drones likely does not need to even worry about resupply. 

Not possible unless you want to spend thousands on a commercial drone. 

On 5/31/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

 

 

 

[Guest Fed up]

38 minutes ago, MBR said:

 

False, your controller will give away your location, most consumer drones operate on unlicensed frequencies, commonly 2.4GHz and it is very easy to locate the source of the control data.  

Per FAA FAR's drones are limited to very low altitudes, but toss those rules aside and they can operate at much higher altitudes and many times the imaging is still quite useful, I have flown drones at 1800 AGL and was still able to get a good idea of that is happening on the ground.  

 

Sorry, most drones do not use spread spectrum channel switching and finding the controller is not all that difficult, another way to find the owner is to take the drone out and wait for the owner to come looking for it. 

 

Not possible unless you want to spend thousands on a commercial drone. 

 

Don't be dense bringing up faa rules in a wrol situation.

[MBR 224]

20 minutes ago, Fed up said:

Don't be dense bringing up faa rules in a wrol situation.

I am not being dense, however you are making no sense at all, maybe sober up and try again tomorow.  

[Skillet 1,724]

Keep it civil. We have enough division in this country as it is.

[Guest Anon Cyb]

On 5/31/2020 at 1:57 PM, Rascaldees said:

Drones are without a doubt exceptionally useful tools. Even now drones are becoming more and more common in the civilian world as they are used for photography and exploration and in some cases even fire suppression. We will avoid the political topic of drones as that is now the purposes of the discussion here. 

 

A drone can be useful to a militia member for a variety of reasons from recon to surveillance. It limits the exposure of troops during recon and also keeps allies safe behind friendly lines. They cannot be used for attacking remote locations unfortunately due to their fragility as well as their inability to carry heavy loads nor stay stabilized during flight after firing rounds. They may be used for minor resupply missions as well as used in missions to carry messages. 

 

Do keep in mind, in many of these situations, it is very possible a drone could be intercepted or shot down. Therefore we will discuss ways to utilize drones as well as to mitigate these potential interceptions. 

 

 

Recon: 

 

A drone is useful for recon because it does not allow your enemy to know where your forces are unless they are already very close when you launch the drone. These drones can be had for approximately four hundred dollars at the writing of this topic. While it is a serious investment it also means that your foes cannot see where your troops are during recon; meaning you can recon multiple sides of a compound or area and attack from any direction you see fit rather than only being able to recon from one side. 

 

Drones, however, are not quiet and most of them cannot fly exceptionally high in the civilian market. Drones are best used from a distance to obscure their noise. Likewise, if there is already a lot of noise in the area due to generators or due to vehicles or any other noise sources it will help to allow your drone to get closer. Many drones have exceptional imaging software and cameras so taking pictures from a distance shouldn't be too much of a hassle. 

 

 

Surveillance: 

 

Much like recon a drone is useful for surveillance of an area because of your enemy's inability to track it down to the source. While triangulating the source of a drone's signal is possible in an area where there are constantly dozens of signals being transmitted it is possible to mask that signature. Please do keep in mind no plan survives full contact with an enemy and these tactics will need to be developed by others with more expertise than myself. Nevertheless; having an effectively anonymous platform viewing an area much like a mobile camera can mean the different between an early warning and an ambush on a location. In a situation where triangulation of a signal is not possible (such as a SHTF scenario and we are WROL) these drones become agents of chaos on an unparalleled scale. 

 

 

Fire Suppression: 

 

Most militia fleeing to the woods never consider the danger that comes with living there; such as wild fires. There is a reason most of the US in the Great Plains is not settled. Detecting wild fires early can lead to an evacuation being unnecessary. Likewise if the fire is already out of control it can mean that evacuations can be had earlier than usual to avoid loss of life, property and to limit the amount of damage. Wild fires are not like typical fires; digging fire lanes will NOT stop them as wild fires are known to 'jump' these lanes by flinging hot ashes well beyond where most typical fire lanes can cover. 

 

 

Emergency Resupply: 

 

Larger, more expensive, drones can even carry packages which means that a militia group radioing for help because they're running out of ammunition does not have to wait solely for a truck to reach them. Drones can fly above tree lines and carry these packages at speeds similar to most motor vehicles. Likewise these drones can be used to drop a few hundred rounds to a group. This is not a means to fully resupply the group but when coupled with larger resupply packages can stave off a loss of ammo, food, water until a proper supply mission can be had. Additionally, via the use of dozens of drones, it could entirely replace resupply convoys although a militia with that many drones likely does not need to even worry about resupply. 

 

 

Unit Harassment: 

 

The primary problem of an enemy unit retreating is that they are either fleeing to a more fortified position or can simply outrun your forces. A drone helps to mitigate the latter problem AND helps to inform the chasing unit of the former problem by following the fleeing unit from a safe distance. Drones are small and hard to hit from extreme ranges; meaning your enemy will likely expend great amounts of munitions trying to take one down if they even know it's there. If militia coordinate together then the groups can swap messages and place ambushes along the road for units that are already fleeing combat who will be exhausted, without many supplies and additionally fleeing with broken morale. 

 

 

 

I'll see you all in part eight. 

Yes Drones are useful but can be hacked so one must always be careful with drones, yes they are good to use, but unless you have the best programming language encoded into the drone, and your own Encryption algorithms someone else can access them like criminal crime gangs for their greed purposes.

 

Although it's a great concept, but must be thought out before using these drones.

[Rascaldees 174]

1 minute ago, Anon Cyb said:

Yes Drones are useful but can be hacked so one must always be careful with drones, yes they are good to use, but unless you have the best programming language encoded into the drone, and your own Encryption algorithms someone else can access them like criminal crime gangs for their greed purposes.

 

Although it's a great concept, but must be thought out before using these drones.

 

That's not how hacking works. You can't hack a radio for example. Though you can hijack the signal.

 

To earlier points mentioning these drones will be shot down by the army or that people will trace your location via the radio waves...

 

Your car has a radio. Your radio has a radio. The modern era has radios EVERYWHERE. 

 

If you are in a building in a relatively populated area the technology to triangulate a radio signal is NOT going to pinpoint your location. It's not that precise.

 

 

Also my point about using drones for cargo is NOT to bring huge crates of drones. Two drones bringing tqo magazines of ammo on a run is better than 0 fresh magazines. Or medical supplies. Or food. Or water. They are also smaller and harder to see than a full on truck.

 

And if you take out a drone... WHY is the owner coming to look for it...? Record your screen with your cell phone if you're that worried.

[Guest Anon Cyb]

12 minutes ago, Rascaldees said:

 

That's not how hacking works. You can't hack a radio for example. Though you can hijack the signal.

 

To earlier points mentioning these drones will be shot down by the army or that people will trace your location via the radio waves...

 

Your car has a radio. Your radio has a radio. The modern era has radios EVERYWHERE. 

 

If you are in a building in a relatively populated area the technology to triangulate a radio signal is NOT going to pinpoint your location. It's not that precise.

 

 

Also my point about using drones for cargo is NOT to bring huge crates of drones. Two drones bringing tqo magazines of ammo on a run is better than 0 fresh magazines. Or medical supplies. Or food. Or water. They are also smaller and harder to see than a full on truck.

 

And if you take out a drone... WHY is the owner coming to look for it...? Record your screen with your cell phone if you're that worried.

Sorry bud, but drones can be hacked, by spoofing GPS and by capturing the signals they realease, also yes your right about signals, but there is more newer technology than that, biometrics is getting everyone, the only thing that helps is signal jamming technology, which your lucky if that even helps, or our own type of new encryption algorithms that no super quantum computer can access or crack into.

[Rascaldees 174]

2 minutes ago, Anon Cyb said:

Sorry bud, but drones can be hacked, by spoofing GPS and by capturing the signals they realease, also yes your right about signals, but there is more newer technology than that, biometrics is getting everyone, the only thing that helps is signal jamming technology, which your lucky if that even helps, or our own type of new encryption algorithms that no super quantum computer can access or crack into.

 

Why does your drone have a GPS? It doesn't need it. Don't install one. Also biometrics is another noun for biometry.

 

Biometry:

the application of statistical analysis to biological data.

 

I think you've been reading into too many conspiracies my friend.

 

Also that's not how an encryption works. NO computer can crack into an encryption. No program. Nothing. There have been huge debates about it. 

 

And you can make a RADAR from a microwave... and a jammer.

[Guest Anon Cyb]

You must be an old timer and know nothing of the new age of things, but you can believe what you want with your thinking of conspiracy theories, and no it's just I know a lot of secret shit hardly people like yourself know, so no offense to you, you just gotta do more research of the new age technology, and some things have not even been leaked yet, so yeah, don't judge me, because you really don't know me.

 

Thank you!

[Pastor Mike 46]

Those are some very good skills to have Anon Cyb , good for you ! Keep up on that stuff as it is more important then most people can fathom .

[Rascaldees 174]

1 hour ago, Anon Cyb said:

You must be an old timer and know nothing of the new age of things, but you can believe what you want with your thinking of conspiracy theories, and no it's just I know a lot of secret shit hardly people like yourself know, so no offense to you, you just gotta do more research of the new age technology, and some things have not even been leaked yet, so yeah, don't judge me, because you really don't know me.

 

Thank you!

Nah I'm just an engineering student in the field of mechatronics with an interest in drones and other technology. 

[GLCsector3295 207]

Drones do have their uses,  I think though, the best possible use at this point in time, if one really wanted to use a drone, is to blend into one of these CHAZ/ CHOP zones, in proper attire, and use said drone to document the events in a factual manner and to maybe map an area out.   I see no reason at this point in time, to do much more than that.

 

Because to go any further than that one would really need to spend the money to create a military grade drone, and even if one could, if the US Air Force wanted to, they could take out said drone easily enough.  Also considering how much it costs to make a military drone, to make an equivalent one for civilian use, the money could be better spent else where.

[Rascaldees 174]

1 minute ago, GLCsector3295 said:

Drones do have their uses,  I think though, the best possible use at this point in time, if one really wanted to use a drone, is to blend into one of these CHAZ/ CHOP zones, in proper attire, and use said drone to document the events in a factual manner and to maybe map an area out.   I see no reason at this point in time, to do much more than that.

 

Because to go any further than that one would really need to spend the money to create a military grade drone, and even if one could, if the US Air Force wanted to, they could take out said drone easily enough.  Also considering how much it costs to make a military drone, to make an equivalent one for civilian use, the money could be better spent else where.

Well yeah, use them as the mission dictates. This post is more of a generalized guideline than doctrine or gospel.

[MBR 224]

7 hours ago, Rascaldees said:

 

Why does your drone have a GPS? It doesn't need it. Don't install one. Also biometrics is another noun for biometry.

 

Drones need GPS to remain stabilized.  

 

[Guest Fed up]

13 hours ago, MBR said:

I am not being dense, however you are making no sense at all, maybe sober up and try again tomorow.  

Okay bud, I'll try to think about that.

[Guest Fed up]

11 hours ago, Anon Cyb said:

You must be an old timer and know nothing of the new age of things, but you can believe what you want with your thinking of conspiracy theories, and no it's just I know a lot of secret shit hardly people like yourself know, so no offense to you, you just gotta do more research of the new age technology, and some things have not even been leaked yet, so yeah, don't judge me, because you really don't know me.

 

Thank you!

GTFO old timer, i said show us, quit talking about everything that you supposedly know. We have enough people that talk about the things that they know and try and force it down our gullets as gospel.

Edited June 23 by Fed up

[Guest Fed up]

It's without rule of law since you can't understand acronyms.

[Rascaldees 174]

4 hours ago, MBR said:

 

Wait do you meam a gyroscope?

[Skillet 1,724]

Did you guys not read my post above? If you can't keep the discussion civil then I'll keep it civil. The purpose of thread like this are to spread information, share ideas, and create new ones. Not ge into arguments about what can do what.  Keep it that way.

 

[MBR 224]

1 hour ago, Rascaldees said:

Wait do you meam a gyroscope?

No a gyro is part of the flight controller, the GPS is commonly on a post a few inches above the body away from the ESC's, which create all types of electronic hash.

 

The GPS working with the altimeter in the flight controller keeps the drone stabilized, if it didn't have a GPS it wouldn't know where it is and would drift all over from the wind moving it around and up or down.

 

And with some flight controllers the GPS can mark home, so if the drone has lost communications with the remote control it will go into a return to home mode and hopefully land itself back from were it was launched.

 

Now that doesn't always work as planned, I had a DJI Phantom fly low over my roof and into the woods where it crashed, probably running Return To Home.

Edited June 23 by MBR

[MBR 224]

2 hours ago, Fed up said:

It's without rule of law since you can't understand acronyms.

Acronyms are ok but it is best if you first spell out what the acronym means followed by the acronym.

 

Example, I am a member of the National Press Photographers Association (NPPA), my reason for being a member of the NPPA is they support and defend visual journalists worldwide.   

Edited June 23 by MBR

[Rascaldees 174]

5 minutes ago, MBR said:

No a gyro is part of the flight controller, the GPS is commonly on a post a few inches above the body away from the ESC's, which create all types of electronic hash.

 

The GPS working with the altimeter in the flight controller keeps the drone stabilized, if it didn't have a GPS it wouldn't know where it is and would drift all over from the wind moving it around and up or down.

 

And with some flight controllers the GPS can mark home, so if the drone has lost communications with the remote control it will go into a return to home mode and hopefully land itself back from were it was launched.

 

I'm pretty sure drones use GPS for navigation rather than flight stabilization. Otherwise the UH-1 Iroquois would have had the problem you're mentioning of drifting all over the place since GPS wasn't available when it was created. Even then you can remove the GPS and replace it with some gyroscopes to stabilize the flight as many flying contraptions have done in the past. 

 

Regardless, the point is that drones are useful to militia. In the case of riots, assuming your government is still with you, you can use a drone to survey the riots and contact law enforcement to let them know of mass groups of rioters' movements to assist them in arrests.