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Excellent point!


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain

 

"I prefer dangerous FREEDOM over peaceful SLAVERY" -Thomas Jefferson

 

"Si vis pacem para bellum" - Every wise warrior there ever was.

 

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The only problem is, our side doesn't think it's in a war.  It thinks it's in a run-up to an election.

We're fighting by Marquis of Queensbury rules, and they're gouging eyes and kicking below the belt.

But ... people are waking up. We've got to take advantage of this moment.


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prior to the rona there was definitely a freedom movement that was mostly world wide. however; the world is not my concern. with so many variables and such a large scope, there's too many plausible outcomes.

 

so what about the US? there has been a growing tension in America for a few generations. We are not taught about our rights, or the ability to think critically anymore. Then theres the mixing of culture & the lowering of the nations IQ. This is causing the main divide because people are taking action with no concept of a solution, & the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

The historical markers are checking off more boxes on the revolution side rather than the civil war side.

 

I (and many others) think that there must be a succession of states where the parasites are free to fail.

Does it have to be heavily violent? no

Will it be completely peaceful? probably not

 

we must take back our sovereignty, restrict the government, & further bind it to prevent parasitism in the future.

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On 6/7/2020 at 7:33 AM, Doug1943 said:

The only problem is, our side doesn't think it's in a war.  It thinks it's in a run-up to an election.

We're fighting by Marquis of Queensbury rules, and they're gouging eyes and kicking below the belt.

But ... people are waking up. We've got to take advantage of this moment.

 

How should we take advantage of this moment from here on ( 6/8/2020 12:24 pm)?

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18 minutes ago, Tommy O'Neil said:

 

How should we take advantage of this moment from here on ( 6/8/2020 12:24 pm)?

I ought to be very easy to recruit to the militia movement in light of the riots, and in light of much of the official response to them.

 

If we had the capacity, we should make a video which consisted mainly of shots of the rioters, interspersed with Lefty apologies for them.

 

Then we would put in images of armed Americans defending their property -- the Coeur d'Alene mobilization was perfect.

And then this video could be distributed to every militia unit, which should -- lockdown provisions permitting -- hold a public meeting

on community defense, showing this video. Absent that, if possible, a public meeting should still be held.

 

We need to move into the conservative mainstream. Right now, there are many conservatives who identify today's militia movement, with that of the 1990s -- the one which Timothy McVeigh destroyed.

 

The occasional incidents where crazies are caught planning to murder someone are always linked to the militia movement by the press -- even though often these people had even more contact with fundamentalist churches.  So we are looked on with some suspicion even by many conservatives.

 

We've got to overcome that negative association, and now is a good time to do so.

 

There's an art to doing public relations. For example, this would have been a good time for every militia unit to send a press release to its local newspaper -- it could just be a rewording of what the Three Percenters Original National Council said: a reiteration of our committment to peaceful protest, a condemnation of the rioters, an offer to assist local law enforcement.  It almost doesn't matter, just so long as our name gets into the papers.

 

Ideally, every militia unit should have a mailing list (email list)  of potential sympathyzers: local Republicans, other potential sympathzyers, gun shops, shooting ranges, veterans' associations -- now would have been a good time to email them, remind them of our existence, extend an offer of help if they need it. 

 

We need to move into the local community. We should also try to participate in local post-riot cleanup and rebuilding efforts, because we not only want to move into the conservative mainstream, but into our local communities as well.

 

Anyway, those are my ideas. Perhaps you have suggestions of your own?    My main point is: now is NOT the time to carry on business as usual.

 

 


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1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

conservative mainstream

 

If we aid a government that is not true then we are finished sooner than you think.  We need too really make sure that most elected officials exit and if they don't then by force it is necessary if they go to WAR WITH THE POPULATION OF THE U.S. period period period!!!

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Tommy O'Neil said:

 

If we aid a government that is not true then we are finished sooner than you think.  We need too really make sure that most elected officials exit and if they don't then by force it is necessary if they go to WAR WITH THE POPULATION OF THE U.S. period period period!!!

 

Way to broad a brush. In reality there are Gov employees and entities that support the Republic at all levels. And there are those that wish to establish parallel authorities (think the dissolution of the MPD and its replacement by the "social justice corps"). There's also government which just wishes to continue encouraging the agitation, i.e. The DC Mayor, to hasten their ability to gain more influence and authority.  You have to look at each individual politico/bureaucrat and entity using a subjective eye.   

 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Tommy O'Neil said:

 

If we aid a government that is not true then we are finished sooner than you think.  We need too really make sure that most elected officials exit and if they don't then by force it is necessary if they go to WAR WITH THE POPULATION OF THE U.S. period period period!!!

 

 

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but .... so long as the government is legally elected,  our relationship to it has to be one of law-abiding citizens. We can oppose it in all sorts of ways -- marches and protests (peaceful); meetings; organizing the militia; elections.  But just because you don't like the outcome of an election, does not give you the right to use or even to threaten to use, violence against the government.

 

And ... even if you didn't agree with that ... even if you thought that you had the right to start shooting because you didn't like some law ... simple common sense says that you shouldn't, unless you are looking for a spectacular way to commit suicide.

 

People who talk about 'rising up' etc act as if 'the people' are on their side, despite the fact that if the 'risers up' ran in an election, they'd get about 1% of the vote.  They live in fantasy world, in which the one or two other eccentrics who agree with them, become 'the people'.  Well, sorry, they're not.

 

Right now, the militia movement must patiently organize, move into the conservative mainstream, move out into, and integrate itself into, the local community.  We have to show that the militia is not some exotic growth, filled with loonies who think that 5G is a plot by the illuminati to infect them with a virus so that they can be shipped to FEMA camps, but is normal, ordinary people, who see that the world of our ancestors, of the 18th Century -- a dangerous world -- may be coming around again.  And like their ancestors, they want to be prepared for it.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but .... so long as the government is legally elected,  our relationship to it has to be one of law-abiding citizens. We can oppose it in all sorts of ways -- marches and protests (peaceful); meetings; organizing the militia; elections.  But just because you don't like the outcome of an election, does not give you the right to use or even to threaten to use, violence against the government.

 

And ... even if you didn't agree with that ... even if you thought that you had the right to start shooting because you didn't like some law ... simple common sense says that you shouldn't, unless you are looking for a spectacular way to commit suicide.

 

People who talk about 'rising up' etc act as if 'the people' are on their side, despite the fact that if the 'risers up' ran in an election, they'd get about 1% of the vote.  They live in fantasy world, in which the one or two other eccentrics who agree with them, become 'the people'.  Well, sorry, they're not.

 

Right now, the militia movement must patiently organize, move into the conservative mainstream, move out into, and integrate itself into, the local community.  We have to show that the militia is not some exotic growth, filled with loonies who think that 5G is a plot by the illuminati to infect them with a virus so that they can be shipped to FEMA camps, but is normal, ordinary people, who see that the world of our ancestors, of the 18th Century -- a dangerous world -- may be coming around again.  And like their ancestors, they want to be prepared for it.

 

 

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Doug this is where we part ways u are a government shill who supports: Trump a commie lover woman abuser!

 

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21 minutes ago, Tommy O'Neil said:

 

Doug this is where we part ways u are a government shill who supports: Trump a commie lover woman abuser!

 

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You don't know @ Doug1943  very well, he is not in love with Trump although he would probably agree that Russia has some type of skin in the game.  


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain

 

"I prefer dangerous FREEDOM over peaceful SLAVERY" -Thomas Jefferson

 

"Si vis pacem para bellum" - Every wise warrior there ever was.

 

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@ Tommy O'Neil i haven’t seen you around here before which usually means one of two things. #1 your new #2 you have been quite. I don’t think it’s #2 so let me shine some

light Doug isn’t a government shill (check his many well written articles) he doesn’t hide his politics. Most here are similarly aligned but we have some differences. IF you are

truely interested in GROWING this cause don’t assume you know what makes everyone tick. 

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Whoa, just came across this continuation of the thread.

 

Mr O'Neal raises an interesting point. How would we know if someone was a government agent? What do government agents acting as secret informers inside an organization do?

 

I think they fall into two categories -- and the same agent can pass from the first category to the second.

 

The first kind of agent is just recording data.  He's like a intelligent recorder. I doubt 'the government' right now -- and it's not a monolithic body --   sees the militia movement as a threat to its existence.  I wish it did, I wish we had a couple of million people under arms, with another twenty or thirty million sympathyzers, and another fifty million people who were friendly-neutral. With a force like that, we might get the Other Side to see sense, to allow some form of New Federalism, in the spirit of the Founders, which would keep our country from disintegratiing.  We can hope.

 

What they're really worried about, a bit, is more Timothy McVeighs, more 'White Rabbit' pseudo-Militias [ https://abc7chicago.com/white-rabbit-illinois-militia-definition/5909382/ ], more Schaeffer Cox's [ 
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2019/11/06/alaska-militia-leader-schaeffer-coxs-murder-conspiracy-sentence-cut-by-10-years/  ]  more idiots like this bunch [https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/06/03/3-held-terror-charges-spark-violence-las-vegas-protests/3139032001/    ]etc.  In other words, more crazy, impulsive terrorists who couldn't care less about defending our country, but have a psychotic drive to inflict terror on others. (They were just born in the wrong county -- a few thousand miles to the East and they would be honored martyrs.)

 

Fortunately, these people, whom the first type of government agent are looking for,  are fairly easy to spot. They're impulsive, ignorant, not terribly intelligent, and often signal their intentions in time to be caught. Then that modest government agent may have to blow his cover and become a witness at a trial, although usually, if it's a group of crazies, it's very easy for the government to make one of them an offer they can't refuse, and he becomes an informant.  I think this has happened in every single prosecution of a group of more than three people that has occured in the last fifty years.

 

So, there are no doubt Watchers.  Everything anyone writes here will be recorded by them.  Probably Mary McCord gets a weekly selection of the "best" idiocies as she prepares her case for post-November if the Democrats win. [ https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-militias-are-taking-trumps-civil-war-tweets-seriously   ]

 

There is a sub-type of Watcher. The Performer. He or she will seek to achieve a leadership position in whatever organization they are in. So they'll be fairly active, probably have 'centrist' positions on controversial questions within the group, be hard workers, etc.  We will get as much from them as they will get from us. They're there in case things get serious.  The head of the Bolshevik fraction in the Czarist Duma in 1912 was Roman Malinovsky, a hardliner even for a Bolshevik. Lenin loved him. So did the Czarist secret police, the Okhrana, whose agent he was.  The decisive, casting vote at the  delegates conference of  the early Commuist Party, which kept them, underground and ineffective for another couple of years, was cast by Agent K97, an FBI plant. The American Socialist Workers Party, a dissident communist group which actually effectively led a large section of the anti-Vietnam War movement, had a genuine railroad worker on their National Committee -- he was also an FBI informer.

If, as I hope, someday a respected group of national leaders emerge to lead a united national miltia movement, one of them will be on the government payroll.

 

Then there is the second type: provocateurs.  Their job is to take the spontaneous crazy eructations of the people who lack impulse control, who say, "I'm tired of sitting around, let's go arrest the governor and try him for treason" -- and who are really just blowing hot air -- and to try to gently lead them further, to action.  "Are you a real man, or are you just going to lick the government's boots?"  etc etc weary etc.  I don't think the government agents are doing that now -- something like that was done by the FBI, against the Left and the KKK fifty years ago -- it was called OPERATION COINTELPRO -- and something like that has put a few American Muslims into prison, but if anyone is doing that now, they're probably answering to some 'private' Leftist group.  But that doesn't mean we won't see it in the future.

 

People whose poltiical ancestors were not on the Far Left or the (genuine) Far (racist) Right, have lived for many decades under conditions of legality.  That's why the impulsive people on this website, and on Facebook, can post what are effectively appeals to insurrection, without a thought in their empty heads that they  might go to prison for it. They have never even heard of the Smith Act. 

 

But they may hear of it soon, if the Democrats win a big victory in November, and the mood of the public is still hysterical. And in Democrat-controlled states, we may see the 'no private armies' laws  invoked.  We must at least be aware of the possibilities, and govern our actions accordingly.

 

 

 


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