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Research group update: we need to recruit HAM operators in each district.  designated as our COMMASTERS.

 

We can submit critical Information to each of them, based on the FEMA comms model as well, and many if not most HAM operators will be familiar with this. I will be doing it also, but we will be more productive and fast if we all take part in this. Thank you gentlemen!

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I'm not yet, still studying, how fast are you trying to put this together. I was wanting to get to the point I could pass all three tests at once but I have got the technician test questions pretty much down I could take the test and get my handle.

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10 hours ago, Radiouser said:

What do you need, besides being a ham ?   I am a ham radio operator {  extra class }

No special equipment,  we will be focused on skills and organization in the next phase of group development.  We have 10 districts based on FEMA disaster zones / districts. We are currently recruiting at this time, and when we have sufficient recruits we will be proceeding into the vetting process,  if you would like you can become a part of our mailing list and decide if you would like to continue based on that information,  we will fill you in. I am allowed only 5 messages per day on MM. 

 

[email protected] 

 

Please create a protonmail.com account,  and send me an email. Please use your protonmail account for this purpose only.

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6 hours ago, Fed up said:

I'm not yet, still studying, how fast are you trying to put this together. I was wanting to get to the point I could pass all three tests at once but I have got the technician test questions pretty much down I could take the test and get my handle.

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As fast as humanly possible,  the more I recruit,  the more my recruits can recruit.  We will multiply. 

 

Create a protonmail.com email account send a message to [email protected] 

And use this email account for research group purposes only.

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The structure of our group will be decided based on competency level. I am only the interim RG5 liaison until I am replaced by a more competent individual.  The only purpose I currently serve is recognizing something needs doing, and to do my absolute damndest to make it happen. Thank you all for responding.

 

-Ab Omnibus 

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On 6/16/2020 at 5:48 AM, Delta 4 said:

I'm also a Ham Radio operator Technician level.  I will send you an email via protonmail.

[email protected] link up with us.

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That seems to be the ever present concern of members toward leadership.  Competence, not confidence will lead us to victory.

 

With research groups established,  and with the chain of command established based on merit and competence we will have a reliable system in place to relay information to those who need it.

 

Our plan is to have liaisons in the 10 districts based on the FEMA model, currently we are focused on appointing them all based on their experience with creating communication plans, whether they have a HAM license or not, among other skills. 

 

This will make things allot smoother and cut down on any unnecessary chatter. Beneath them will be region advisors who can cross train and learn from the best of us, and prepare them to take the position as district liaisons if for some reason one may not be able to do so, for any myriad of reasons. 

 

Beneath our regional advisors will be local advisors.  Similar to scouts, who will conduct the business of the research groups in a more active physical way.

 

They will belong to, and or make contact with all the militia groups in their local areas, they can report local information to their regional advisors and so on up the chain until all district liaisons are knowledgeable of any situations happening,  the same thing can happen easily in reverse. 

 

With Facebook, and other social media outlets blocking or censoring information,  the HAM licensed liaisons will have the capacity to communicate over all the communication technologies available to us. 

 

An added benefit is the ability to organize away from typical social media platforms, faster and more efficiently. If for instance we wish to stage a rally, we can make a deceptive social media post for the wrong day, to fool any counter protesters. Then we could, very quickly and discreetly mobilize for a protest or demonstration, conduct it, and leave before any news media or counter protest is able to form.

 

One of the many benefits of research groups. 

 

If you are interested in becoming involved in our project please create a protonmail.com account,  email me at [email protected]  and use your created account for no other thing than research group activity.

 

-Ab Omnibus

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21 hours ago, Guest Trickshot said:

That seems to be the ever present concern of members toward leadership.  Competence, not confidence will lead us to victory.

 

With research groups established,  and with the chain of command established based on merit and competence we will have a reliable system in place to relay information to those who need it.

 

Our plan is to have liaisons in the 10 districts based on the FEMA model, currently we are focused on appointing them all based on their experience with creating communication plans, whether they have a HAM license or not, among other skills. 

 

This will make things allot smoother and cut down on any unnecessary chatter. Beneath them will be region advisors who can cross train and learn from the best of us, and prepare them to take the position as district liaisons if for some reason one may not be able to do so, for any myriad of reasons. 

 

Beneath our regional advisors will be local advisors.  Similar to scouts, who will conduct the business of the research groups in a more active physical way.

 

They will belong to, and or make contact with all the militia groups in their local areas, they can report local information to their regional advisors and so on up the chain until all district liaisons are knowledgeable of any situations happening,  the same thing can happen easily in reverse. 

 

With Facebook, and other social media outlets blocking or censoring information,  the HAM licensed liaisons will have the capacity to communicate over all the communication technologies available to us. 

 

An added benefit is the ability to organize away from typical social media platforms, faster and more efficiently. If for instance we wish to stage a rally, we can make a deceptive social media post for the wrong day, to fool any counter protesters. Then we could, very quickly and discreetly mobilize for a protest or demonstration, conduct it, and leave before any news media or counter protest is able to form.

 

One of the many benefits of research groups. 

 

If you are interested in becoming involved in our project please create a protonmail.com account,  email me at [email protected]  and use your created account for no other thing than research group activity.

 

-Ab Omnibus

So, reinvent the wheel. The OP can't even make a legitimate account? I sent an email and wanted more clarification as to what exactly was being researched. The curt response was basically I am too dumb to understand and to never mind. That, my friends, is the way to build a team! I have opted out.

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On 6/16/2020 at 3:48 AM, Delta 4 said:

I'm also a Ham Radio operator Technician level.  I will send you an email via protonmail.

Missed my areas test yesterday, i am still studying and and hadn't looked. They're every third Wednesday, registered for July test session. Getting 90%+ on practice exams so should be able to pass without issue. 

 

(Sorry didn't mean to quote your post)

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Sent you an e-mail, hopefully you receive it.

 

The Ham tests are rather simple, I hold a General Class license and a First Class operators license.

 

If you have any questions about the test just ask.

 

Wayne

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It's very important for our side to get all the training we can. And to be 'on the inside' of emergency response

organizations. (And of course by being 'on the inside' we'll maybe be able to spot the Lizard People, controlled by

George Soros, preparing to vaccinate us with nano-robots controlled by 5G transmitters.)

 

This is something that our people who are past their 20 pull-ups and 20 mile route marches in full field gear

could do.


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1 hour ago, Doug1943 said:

It's very important for our side to get all the training we can. And to be 'on the inside' of emergency response

organizations. (And of course by being 'on the inside' we'll maybe be able to spot the Lizard People, controlled by

George Soros, preparing to vaccinate us with nano-robots controlled by 5G transmitters.)

 

This is something that our people who are past their 20 pull-ups and 20 mile route marches in full field gear

could do.

Getting involved with ER's can be frustrating, I was involved with our EOC out here and to access the building per DHS I had to have a FBI background check, now the guy who got me involved was the counties Emergency Manager and he was offered a higher paying position as a EM for another county, and it didn't help that he wasn't getting along with the county manager, she didn't like the way he followed FEMA regulations saying they where too military structured, the way of working was a whisper and handshake, as they was the way they did things in the past, the FEMA way was too structured for them.

 

Well he took the better paying job and told her to stick her job where the sun doesn't shine.

 

So they hired a new EM who had zero experience, his only experience was as a cook in the Navy, well lacking any experience, he was insecure and knowing some of us understood his job better than he did, he kicked all of the volunteers out of the EOC, and we took a lot of our radio equipment with us. 

 

Then Irma put us in the cross-hairs, the EM got worried because he knew was going to be Baptized By Fire, so literally 12 hours before landfall he contacted our clubs Vice President and requested 6 volunteers to work in the EOC, he got 1, the rest of us basically gave the finger to helping him out.

 

He was very lucky he got that single member, the storm knocked out the counties 800 MHz trunking system leaving Fire and EMS with no communications, therefore the Paramedics and Firemen at the storm shelters had no way to contact dispatch as the phones in the schools went out when the power failed. 

 

Now one of our members is connected to the Red Cross and they wanted a Ham at each shelter, we got them seven people with handhelds one for each shelter, now I am halfway between the two major towns here La Belle and Clewiston so I was able to communicate the the EOC and all of the shelters and we became fire and EMS's dispatcher, and it was good we where able to do that, at one shelter a 53 foot trailer tipped over and some pool chemicals inside mixed up and started a fire, I received the call about the fire and relayed it to the EOC who contacted Fire Dispatch and in the middle of the storm they rolled two fire trucks out, and the fire was put out with no injuries.

 

The moral of the story is if you want to work with your local EM, be prepared for work with no recognition and you may also find yourself on the outside looking in as a lot of people in that business like to keep everything to themselves or at least involving people who work for them, they don't like volunteers who they have much less control over. Also be prepared to study and pass the FEMA ICS's that is required to work with the EM's.

 

One of the reasons for that attitude is, they can keep gross errors buried and out of media, also be prepared to go through vetting process that can be very personal and will probably require being finger printed and being subject to a real background check.

 

And I know that to be true as the EM here was very concerned that one of us might leak to media about the failed communications system, that never happened we would never do such a thing as it wouldn't benefit anyone. 

 

             

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25 minutes ago, MBR said:

Getting involved with ER's can be frustrating, I was involved with our EOC out here and to access the building per DHS I had to have a FBI background check, now the guy who got me involved was the counties Emergency Manager and he was offered a higher paying position as a EM for another county, and it didn't help that he wasn't getting along with the county manager, she didn't like the way he followed FEMA regulations saying they where too military structured, the way of working was a whisper and handshake, as they was the way they did things in the past, the FEMA way was too structured for them.

 

Well he took the better paying job and told her to stick her job where the sun doesn't shine.

 

So they hired a new EM who had zero experience, his only experience was as a cook in the Navy, well lacking any experience, he was insecure and knowing some of us understood his job better than he did, he kicked all of the volunteers out of the EOC, and we took a lot of our radio equipment with us. 

 

Then Irma put us in the cross-hairs, the EM got worried because he knew was going to be Baptized By Fire, so literally 12 hours before landfall he contacted our clubs Vice President and requested 6 volunteers to work in the EOC, he got 1, the rest of us basically gave the finger to helping him out.

 

He was very lucky he got that single member, the storm knocked out the counties 800 MHz trunking system leaving Fire and EMS with no communications, therefore the Paramedics and Firemen at the storm shelters had no way to contact dispatch as the phones in the schools went out when the power failed. 

 

Now one of our members is connected to the Red Cross and they wanted a Ham at each shelter, we got them seven people with handhelds one for each shelter, now I am halfway between the two major towns here La Belle and Clewiston so I was able to communicate the the EOC and all of the shelters and we became fire and EMS's dispatcher, and it was good we where able to do that, at one shelter a 53 foot trailer tipped over and some pool chemicals inside mixed up and started a fire, I received the call about the fire and relayed it to the EOC who contacted Fire Dispatch and in the middle of the storm they rolled two fire trucks out, and the fire was put out with no injuries.

 

The moral of the story is if you want to work with your local EM, be prepared for work with no recognition and you may also find yourself on the outside looking in as a lot of people in that business like to keep everything to themselves or at least involving people who work for them, they don't like volunteers who they have much less control over. Also be prepared to study and pass the FEMA ICS's that is required to work with the EM's.

 

One of the reasons for that attitude is, they can keep gross errors buried and out of media, also be prepared to go through vetting process that can be very personal and will probably require being finger printed and being subject to a real background check.

 

And I know that to be true as the EM here was very concerned that one of us might leak to media about the failed communications system, that never happened we would never do such a thing as it wouldn't benefit anyone. 

 

             

Good to know...great insight on EOC Operations, thanks.

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32 minutes ago, MBR said:

Getting involved with ER's can be frustrating, I was involved with our EOC out here and to access the building per DHS I had to have a FBI background check, now the guy who got me involved was the counties Emergency Manager and he was offered a higher paying position as a EM for another county, and it didn't help that he wasn't getting along with the county manager, she didn't like the way he followed FEMA regulations saying they where too military structured, the way of working was a whisper and handshake, as they was the way they did things in the past, the FEMA way was too structured for them.

 

..... edited out for convenience of viewing ... read the original above if you have not read it. VERY informative.

 

And I know that to be true as the EM here was very concerned that one of us might leak to media about the failed communications system, that never happened we would never do such a thing as it wouldn't benefit anyone. 

 

             

Whoa ... yes, this sounds exactly like how a big bureaucracy, especially a government one, works.  It all looks so good on paper ... but it has to be implemented by people.  (This is what seduces many intellectuals into socialism. They think the system will be run by people who are as clever and kind-hearted and well-meaning as they are. Then they find themselves in front of firing squads and wonder what went wrong.)

 

So ... it sounds like -- if you can pass an FBI background check, which might actually be a useful thing to (honestly) be able to claim later -- that you might learn something, even if you get squeezed out later by a CYA  no-chance-outside manager. 

 

I followed your link and saw they have lots -- and I mean lots -- of courses, some which seem useful, and in theory you can take some of them from home.  They seem to be restricted though, as to who can enroll in them ... if you're LEO or a fireman, okay ... but can an ordinary civilian do it?

 

 


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On 6/18/2020 at 8:53 AM, Tempstar said:

So, reinvent the wheel. The OP can't even make a legitimate account? I sent an email and wanted more clarification as to what exactly was being researched. The curt response was basically I am too dumb to understand and to never mind. That, my friends, is the way to build a team! I have opted out.

I too have opted out.  From what I've seen from the emails I've received this has nothing to do with FEMA or EOC operations or anything like that.  Perhaps I'm wrong,but something isn't quite right though I can't say what it is. If I'm in error then I've erred on the side of caution.

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3 minutes ago, Delta 4 said:

I too have opted out.  From what I've seen from the emails I've received this has nothing to do with FEMA or EOC operations or anything like that.  Perhaps I'm wrong,but something isn't quite right though I can't say what it is. If I'm in error then I've erred on the side of caution.

I don't believe this is supposed to be exactly like FEMA, just kind of structured like it as far as communications go.


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1 hour ago, O sleeper said:

I don't believe this is supposed to be exactly like FEMA, just kind of structured like it as far as communications go.

Even if it is not FEMA communications requires a structured protocol, after it has hit the fan is not the time to figure out who is going to be net control and how comms will be handled.   

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1 hour ago, Delta 4 said:

I too have opted out.  From what I've seen from the emails I've received this has nothing to do with FEMA or EOC operations or anything like that.  Perhaps I'm wrong,but something isn't quite right though I can't say what it is. If I'm in error then I've erred on the side of caution.

I'll see what I receive from the OP, if he is trying to duplicate what FEMA will be doing outside of FEMA, then it is a waste of already stretched out resources.

 

I have enough experience with EM's to understand their are two types out there, spotlight rangers who work hard to get in front of a camera while not doing what they should be doing, these are usually large urban EM's who tend to avoid bringing in outsiders, or small underfunded EM's who will except help from anyone who is willing to help out,

 

The spotlight rangers, while well funded do not do their job and many don't know how to do their job, what they are good at is helping to raise campaign money for whoever hired them and know who behind they need to attached their lips to. 

 

The other type do their job, many times on their own time, but are often disliked by their managers because they refuse to play party politics, the guy who got me into the EOC here was that type, the guy who replaced him is a spotlight ranger who is in so far over his head he's a waste of taxpayers money.   

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