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We don't know enough about AntiFa.

 

Anger at them, contempt for them,  is all well and good. We need cold hard facts.

 

If anyone is able to do simple internet  OSINT research ... searching the Web, Facebook, Twitter ...  and is willing to put in a few hours doing that ... with the aim of producing an Intelligence Source on Anti-Fa ... please PM me.

 

NOTE: This research is NOT for the purpose of doing any AntiFa member or supporter any physical harm, nor of 'doxxing' them.

 

And: there is no James Bond stuff here. It's like real intelligence work: mainly tediouis sifting through openly-available data, collating it, appraising it, summarizing it.

I hope that puts off the romantics and fantasists. You don't get a Secret Decoder Ring out of this.

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Any Twitter warriors out there

 

took the time to find at least one ANTIFA group on twitter,

 

Antifasevenhills

 

just go to twitter, put that in the search, and bloop, plenty of leads to investigate right there alone. I have no twitter followers, so. pointless for me to try an start anything, but I guess if one wants to infiltrate and start a dialogue , here you go.

 

also that link lead to this link,

 

antifa7hills.blackblogs.org

 

it is an interesting site . but that is all, just interesting , nothing more.

 

 

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On 6/22/2020 at 11:46 PM, GLCsector3295 said:

Any Twitter warriors out there

 

took the time to find at least one ANTIFA group on twitter,

 

Antifasevenhills

 

just go to twitter, put that in the search, and bloop, plenty of leads to investigate right there alone. I have no twitter followers, so. pointless for me to try an start anything, but I guess if one wants to infiltrate and start a dialogue , here you go.

 

also that link lead to this link,

 

antifa7hills.blackblogs.org

 

it is an interesting site . but that is all, just interesting , nothing more.

 

 

No, this is just what we need.  A comprehensive list of antiFa Twitter accounts. Also Facebook.  We are well on our way with the latter, by the way, thanks to the good work of a particular member.

(Not me.)

We need to understand these people. What they think, what motivates them. Right now, most of us know almost zero about them.  We think that invective, insults, etc are a substitute for knowledge. They are not.

It's perfectly correct to have an Orwellian "one  minute hate" every day against them.  It's even better to make fun of them.

But they are emerging as the main tactical enemy we are likely to meet 'on the streets' ..at our rallies, for example.

And they cannot -- at the moment -- be fought by brandishing an AR15.  We must learn, among other things, how to engage in unarmed combat -- not one-on-one karate, but how to defend a march, a rally, when we have several dozen or several hundred people with us. This is an art, which has been learned over the last century and a half, mainly by the Left.  We need to learn it too.

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47 minutes ago, Rev.E. said:

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This is interesting to read, and some of it -- not all -- probably reflects some of the thinking of their leaders.

But it is an obvious forgery by a white nationalist but one who is not an Anti-Semite.

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31 minutes ago, Rev.E. said:

This was found a couple years back at a rally. Someone sent it to me.

Yes. I've seen it before.  Someone has sat down and watched AntiFa at work, and has said to themselves ... "What must they be thinking, to be doing what they are doing?"  And has written out his idea of what goes on in their heads.  But the Right -- normal Americans actually, not just the Right -- are so distant from the thinking of the real Left, that they can't really understand, just by looking from the outside, what these Leftists are thinking.

 

The best analogy I can think of is this one. Suppose a Martian, knowing nothing of human history but able to speak English (okay, this is just an analogy) landed on Earth and, by chance, ended up near  a church on Sunday, just as people were going in.. He is invisible, or wearing an Earthman suit, so he follows them in. He sits through the service ... then comes Holy Communion ... he partakes of it . watching what others do ... and after the service, he asks someone ... "I am new here ... what was that ritual, where we ate a bit of bread and drank a liquid?" and is told, "Oh, that's the body and blood of Christ..."  The Martian leaves quickly and teleports back to Mars... "What are those Earthlings like?" his fellow Martians ask. "Disgusting!" he says.... "They are cannibals!!"

 

Okay, you Catholics and Protestants, let's not get into a barney over the Real Presence!  

 

My point is, to understand why a religion, or a political movement (which in the case of Marxism, is a kind of substitute, secular religion), to understand them, you have got to really study them, know

their history, know them, as far as possible, 'from the inside'.  Otherwise you might  mistake a profound ritual for something very different.

 

With Marxists, same-same.

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And actually, Anti-Fa, their rank and file anyway, are not Marxists. In fact, some of them are quite hostile to Marxists, at least to Marxists of the Bolshevik-Leninist

persuasion.  (Assuming I have a rudimentary grasp of who makes them up, which I am not sure I do, yet. I know that the 'Black Bloc', a kind of predecessor to

antiFa, has had serious clashes with  Bolshevik-style Marxists in the past.   Don't forget that there were plenty of Anarchists in Russia before and during the Revolution,

that they fought side-by-side with the Leninists for a while ... and then ended up fighting against them... and being wiped  out. 

 

For example, there is this fellow:

 
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Nestor Makhno in 1921
 
Military Leader of the Free Territory
In office
January 5, 1919 – August 28, 1921
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

Nestor Ivanovych Makhno (Ukrainian: Не́стор Івáнович Махно́; 7 November [O.S. 26 October] 1888 – July 25, 1934),[1][2] commonly known as Bat'ko Makhno (Ukrainian: [ˈbɑtʲko mɐxˈnɔ], "Father Makhno"),[3] was a Ukrainian anarchist revolutionary and the commander of an independent anarchist army in Ukraine from 1917–21.

Makhno was the commander of the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, commonly referred to as the Makhnovshchina (loosely translated as "Makhno movement"). The Makhnovshchina was a predominantly peasant phenomenon that grew into a mass social movement. It was initially centered around Makhno's hometown Huliaipole but over the course of the Russian Civil War came to exert a strong influence over large areas of southern Ukraine. Makhno and the movement's leadership were anarcho-communists and attempted to guide the movement along these ideological lines. Makhno was aggressively opposed to all factions that sought to impose their authority over southern Ukraine, battling in succession the forces of the Ukrainian National Republic, the Central Powers of Germany and Austro-Hungary, the Hetmanate state, the White Army, the Bolshevik Red Army, and other smaller forces led by various Ukrainian atamans. He is also credited as the inventor of the tachanka—a horse-drawn carriage with a mounted heavy machine gun.[4] Makhno and his supporters attempted to reorganize social and economic life along anarchist lines, including the establishment of communes on former landed estates, the requisition and egalitarian redistribution of land to the peasants, and the organization of free elections to local soviets (councils) and regional congresses. However, the disruption of the civil war precluded a stable territorial base for any long-term social experiments.

Although Makhno considered the Bolsheviks a threat to the development of an anarchist Free Territory within Ukraine, he entered into formal military alliances twice with the Red Army to defeat the White Army. In the aftermath of the White Army's defeat in Crimea in November 1920, the Bolsheviks initiated a military campaign against Makhno. After an extended period of open resistance against the Red Army, Makhno fled across the Romanian border in August 1921.

 

[SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno]

 

This is the sort of information we need to know.  We can take facts like these -- known to serious anarchists already, but maybe not to the rank and file -- and use it to throw division and confusion into the ranks of the enemy.  It would be very easy, with a bit of research, to write a very powerful leaflet, directed to the anarchist rank-and-file, along the lines of "Do you know who your communist 'friends' really are, and how they dealt with you, once you helped them get power?"   It's just standard PsyOps, and what real militaries do.

 

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Anyone know wtf happened to the Tea Party movement ?

 

That spit fire of a movement literally lasted one season and then just poof gone, there are T.P websites out an about, but compared to BLM and ANTIFA, they are just gone. An i find that rather disappointing as it would be a great counter balance to the b.s going on.

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Antifa and BLM are marxist organizations. BLM has received over $100 million in donations ($33 million from Soro's foundation alone). Their behavior is similiar to other past communist agitators in Spain and Russia.

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All of these groups are part of a massive network of left-wing whatever you want to call them organizations.  Tides, Open Society, Center for American Progress, Thousand Currents, etc.  Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement. 

 

If you want to fight Antifa you have to fight what funds and organizes them higher up the ladder.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

Antifa and BLM are marxist organizations. BLM has received over $100 million in donations ($33 million from Soro's foundation alone). Their behavior is similiar to other past communist agitators in Spain and Russia.

Can you provide some links or other references for this?   I believe it for BLM, but it's nice to be able to prove it. I don't believe it for AntiFa (which was not claimed in the post), but I would love to be proved worng.

 

BLM and Anti-Fa are different.  Neither, I think, can really be called 'Marxist' in the sense in which that word has been used -- they are radical, desructive, but not anything like the Marxists of Spain and Russia, who were disciplined, serious people,  and who aimed at taking state power and imposing their vision of society on everyone. . 

 

We do have such groups in the US and on the Left -- I have a fairly comprehensive list of these groups, including all of their local branches,  which I and others are working on assembling into fifty packages, one for each state, to be made available to the militia movements there. 

 

But the explicitly Leninist groups are small -- a few hundred members each -- and hate each other.... and antiFa hate them, since antiFa, to the extent that they have an ideology, lean toward anarchism.  Not real anarchism, just vague rebelliousness.

 

AntiFa at the moment are the real enemies we must encounter in the streets. We must not use firearms against them. We have to learn how to defeat them, physically, with other means.

 

At the moment we're just gathering information on them. We sure could use some help!  PM me if you're reading this and could put in an hour or two doing internet research.

 

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When evaluating antifa or blm, I see that some of them carry guns including rifles, but I question their shooting accuracy. I suspect their shooting proficiency varies greatly. If I were to go against them I would want other guys who are steadfast with me. I would not want some unknown guys who just joined the militia.  With the right guys and strategy, if would be easy to slaughter them.

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32 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Can you provide some links or other references for this?   I believe it for BLM, but it's nice to be able to prove it. I don't believe it for AntiFa (which was not claimed in the post), but I would love to be proved worng.

 

BLM and Anti-Fa are different.  Neither, I think, can really be called 'Marxist' in the sense in which that word has been used -- they are radical, desructive, but not anything like the Marxists of Spain and Russia, who were disciplined, serious people,  and who aimed at taking state power and imposing their vision of society on everyone. . 

 

We do have such groups in the US and on the Left -- I have a fairly comprehensive list of these groups, including all of their local branches,  which I and others are working on assembling into fifty packages, one for each state, to be made available to the militia movements there. 

 

But the explicitly Leninist groups are small -- a few hundred members each -- and hate each other.... and antiFa hate them, since antiFa, to the extent that they have an ideology, lean toward anarchism.  Not real anarchism, just vague rebelliousness.

 

AntiFa at the moment are the real enemies we must encounter in the streets. We must not use firearms against them. We have to learn how to defeat them, physically, with other means.

 

At the moment we're just gathering information on them. We sure could use some help!  PM me if you're reading this and could put in an hour or two doing internet research.

 

The bolshevik's started the same way.

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I do hope that there is no armed confrontation with AntiFa right now.  We would just make martyrs of them.

We need to defend our own meetings, vigorously. I doubt very much they will actually attack us with firearms.

We then need to think about staging some deliberately-chosen meetings to test their mettle.

 

For instance, if I lived in Oregon, I would consult with all the patriotic groups within a hundred and fifty

miles of Portland, about staging a patriotic rally in Portland, as soon as the lockdown is over ... maybe the

next Fourth of July. 

 

As central as possible, with the propaganda as blatantly pro-American as possible.

We would invite the local Democrats to participate of course. We would bring in several Black, Latino

and Asian, and female, veterans to speak. People like Col Allen West, for example.  So it would be very

'multi-cultural' and very patriotic. 

 

If the Democrats chose to participate, they would alienate their radical

base. If they chose not to, they would alienate their liberal-to-centre base. 

 

We would surreptitiously issue challenges to antiFa ... are they going to let this racist-fascist rally

go unchallenged ... a rally openly celebrating American imperialism, waving the flag of the agent of

genocide of  Native Americans, the power that enslaved millions of Africans, which A-Bombed

innocent Japanese civilians, My Lai, Iraq etc etc etc.   Then we would be set up for a real show-down.

 

And I would go hell for leather to bring every militaman who could ride an overnight bus, from all

over America.  But first they would have to be trained in how you defend meetings ... nothing to do

with guns or karate. Or maybe a little karate.  Lots of videos being taken. Ingress and egress planned

well in advance, medical resources available, local places to put up the patriots who have come a long

way and cannot return immediately, lawyers on standby.

 

This is how you wage political warfare ... demoralize your enemy, split him from his allies, energize

and 'moralize' your own base. The militias involved would be tasked to recruit from fellow participants.

We would want to know -- this is why it is so important to have a good research team NOW -- what the

situation with the Porland police is.. (We desperately need a reliable source in Portland, ideally with

connections to the local police.)  Andy Ng should be contacted and cultivated.

 

Patriotism ...our own and that of the average American .. is our strongest weapon.

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19 minutes ago, Vincenzo said:

When evaluating antifa or blm, I see that some of them carry guns including rifles, but I question their shooting accuracy. I suspect their shooting proficiency varies greatly. If I were to go against them I would want other guys who are steadfast with me. I would not want some unknown guys who just joined the militia.  With the right guys and strategy, if would be easy to slaughter them.

 

The individuals holding the guns are from Redneck Revolt and the John Brown Gun Club.  Not saying there isn't overlap between the groups.  

 

44 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Can you provide some links or other references for this?   I believe it for BLM, but it's nice to be able to prove it. I don't believe it for AntiFa (which was not claimed in the post), but I would love to be proved worng.

 

BLM and Anti-Fa are different.  Neither, I think, can really be called 'Marxist' in the sense in which that word has been used -- they are radical, desructive, but not anything like the Marxists of Spain and Russia, who were disciplined, serious people,  and who aimed at taking state power and imposing their vision of society on everyone. . 

 

We do have such groups in the US and on the Left -- I have a fairly comprehensive list of these groups, including all of their local branches,  which I and others are working on assembling into fifty packages, one for each state, to be made available to the militia movements there. 

 

But the explicitly Leninist groups are small -- a few hundred members each -- and hate each other.... and antiFa hate them, since antiFa, to the extent that they have an ideology, lean toward anarchism.  Not real anarchism, just vague rebelliousness.

 

AntiFa at the moment are the real enemies we must encounter in the streets. We must not use firearms against them. We have to learn how to defeat them, physically, with other means.

 

At the moment we're just gathering information on them. We sure could use some help!  PM me if you're reading this and could put in an hour or two doing internet research.

 

 

BLM and Antifa are both Marxist.  They are different groups.  A pawn is a pawn - chessboards requires 8 pawns per side.  Their origins or 'revival' in the case of Antifa comes from the same place.  Actual Anarchists are rare to find these days.  Even the 'punk rock' realm with its 'anarchy in the UK' is all about socialism and left wing politics these days.  

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I do hope that there is no armed confrontation with AntiFa right now.  We would just make martyrs of them.

We need to defend our own meetings, vigorously. I doubt very much they will actually attack us with firearms.

We then need to think about staging some deliberately-chosen meetings to test their mettle.

 

For instance, if I lived in Oregon, I would consult with all the patriotic groups within a hundred and fifty

miles of Portland, about staging a patriotic rally in Portland, as soon as the lockdown is over ... maybe the

next Fourth of July. 

 

As central as possible, with the propaganda as blatantly pro-American as possible.

We would invite the local Democrats to participate of course. We would bring in several Black, Latino

and Asian, and female, veterans to speak. People like Col Allen West, for example.  So it would be very

'multi-cultural' and very patriotic. 

 

If the Democrats chose to participate, they would alienate their radical

base. If they chose not to, they would alienate their liberal-to-centre base. 

 

We would surreptitiously issue challenges to antiFa ... are they going to let this racist-fascist rally

go unchallenged ... a rally openly celebrating American imperialism, waving the flag of the agent of

genocide of  Native Americans, the power that enslaved millions of Africans, which A-Bombed

innocent Japanese civilians, My Lai, Iraq etc etc etc.   Then we would be set up for a real show-down.

 

And I would go hell for leather to bring every militaman who could ride an overnight bus, from all

over America.  But first they would have to be trained in how you defend meetings ... nothing to do

with guns or karate. Or maybe a little karate.  Lots of videos being taken. Ingress and egress planned

well in advance, medical resources available, local places to put up the patriots who have come a long

way and cannot return immediately, lawyers on standby.

 

This is how you wage political warfare ... demoralize your enemy, split him from his allies, energize

and 'moralize' your own base. The militias involved would be tasked to recruit from fellow participants.

We would want to know -- this is why it is so important to have a good research team NOW -- what the

situation with the Porland police is.. (We desperately need a reliable source in Portland, ideally with

connections to the local police.)  Andy Ng should be contacted and cultivated.

 

Patriotism ...our own and that of the average American .. is our strongest weapon.

 

Didn't Patriot Prayer, Proud boys, and numerous pro-America groups basically already do that?  This stuff has been happening already for quite some time.  

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3 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I do hope that there is no armed confrontation with AntiFa right now.  We would just make martyrs of them.

We need to defend our own meetings, vigorously. I doubt very much they will actually attack us with firearms.

We then need to think about staging some deliberately-chosen meetings to test their mettle.

 

For instance, if I lived in Oregon, I would consult with all the patriotic groups within a hundred and fifty

miles of Portland, about staging a patriotic rally in Portland, as soon as the lockdown is over ... maybe the

next Fourth of July. 

 

As central as possible, with the propaganda as blatantly pro-American as possible.

We would invite the local Democrats to participate of course. We would bring in several Black, Latino

and Asian, and female, veterans to speak. People like Col Allen West, for example.  So it would be very

'multi-cultural' and very patriotic. 

 

If the Democrats chose to participate, they would alienate their radical

base. If they chose not to, they would alienate their liberal-to-centre base. 

 

We would surreptitiously issue challenges to antiFa ... are they going to let this racist-fascist rally

go unchallenged ... a rally openly celebrating American imperialism, waving the flag of the agent of

genocide of  Native Americans, the power that enslaved millions of Africans, which A-Bombed

innocent Japanese civilians, My Lai, Iraq etc etc etc.   Then we would be set up for a real show-down.

 

And I would go hell for leather to bring every militaman who could ride an overnight bus, from all

over America.  But first they would have to be trained in how you defend meetings ... nothing to do

with guns or karate. Or maybe a little karate.  Lots of videos being taken. Ingress and egress planned

well in advance, medical resources available, local places to put up the patriots who have come a long

way and cannot return immediately, lawyers on standby.

 

This is how you wage political warfare ... demoralize your enemy, split him from his allies, energize

and 'moralize' your own base. The militias involved would be tasked to recruit from fellow participants.

We would want to know -- this is why it is so important to have a good research team NOW -- what the

situation with the Porland police is.. (We desperately need a reliable source in Portland, ideally with

connections to the local police.)  Andy Ng should be contacted and cultivated.

 

Patriotism ...our own and that of the average American .. is our strongest weapon.

I was in the society of creative assholes  SCA (hehe). In that group we put on armor and hit each other with clubs to reenact midieval combat. I am pretty good with a club and can weld a baseball bat one hand well. Theres a group in Portland named the Proudboys you might want to contact them. They have experience with antifa. Motorcycle gangs also have many veterans and are patiotic. There will be a large motorcycle rally in Sturgis SD  early August. Someone could contact them and see if they want to do any joint activities.

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8 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

The individuals holding the guns are from Redneck Revolt and the John Brown Gun Club.  Not saying there isn't overlap between the groups.  

 

 

BLM and Antifa are both Marxist.  They are different groups.  A pawn is a pawn - chessboards requires 8 pawns per side.  Their origins or 'revival' in the case of Antifa comes from the same place.  Actual Anarchists are rare to find these days.  Even the 'punk rock' realm with its 'anarchy in the UK' is all about socialism and left wing politics these days.  

I want to investigate the politics of AntiFa  further.  I am pretty familiar with the beliefs of all the actual existing Marxist sects, and fairly familiar with the politics of the rather large group of unaffiliated Marxists ... who differ among each other on many things.  But they are largely irrelevant at the moment. AntiFa is the main enemy on the streets, and needs to be understood in depth.

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20 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

Didn't Patriot Prayer, Proud boys, and numerous pro-America groups basically already do that?  This stuff has been happening already for quite some time.  

In some ways, yes. But they were dubious as representatives of America in several ways ... not really explicitly anti-Racist, as real patriots are ... too easily

exploited by white supremacists. Which is why the Three Percenters refused to take part in the last donnybrook, and good for them. The real war is political,

not physical. The physical is to push the political.#

 

So ... don't just organize a march and rally for the hell of it, on an arbitrary date. Choose a patriotic date -- AntiFa don't believe in patriotism. --- and then invite

as many groups as possible to take part.  In fact, plan it out with as many local patriotic groups -- starting with the veterans associations -- as possible. ... do judo,

by inviting Democrats.  Make Antifa appear the aggressors.  Gentle as doves, wise as serpents.

 

Go read Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution, and see how to make offense, look like defense; how to take advantage of enemy mistakes, so that you

appear to be the defender of democracy; how to form coalitions with people who had been allied to your main enemy.  The actual physical-military aspects

of the final clash are then almost trivial.

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On 6/29/2020 at 9:55 PM, Vincenzo said:

I was in the society of creative assholes  SCA (hehe). In that group we put on armor and hit each other with clubs to reenact midieval combat. I am pretty good with a club and can weld a baseball bat one hand well. Theres a group in Portland named the Proudboys you might want to contact them. They have experience with antifa. Motorcycle gangs also have many veterans and are patiotic. There will be a large motorcycle rally in Sturgis SD  early August. Someone could contact them and see if they want to do any joint activities.

YES!!! Exactly. After you've been in a couple of mass demonstrations where there has been some violence -- maybe an attack by the police, or by counter-demonstrators, ... you learn the value of steel-toed boots, athletic 'protectors', caps that are reinforced with something to soften the blows of rocks and clubs, gloves, etc.  You don't carry a club ... you carry a protest sign whose post is a club and designed to be quickly removable from the sign. Your protest sign is not made of flimsy cardboard, but of something more substantial that can deflect a thrown rock.  

 

We need to study this art.

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Foxnews had some videos on antifa. I try to get them and it says they cannot be reached now.  The proudboys are not white supremacist. They have black members I know. They are patriots.  You can google antifa yourself.  The bolshevik's did use military force and terror to take power.  Note what trotsky did not what he said or wrote.  

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