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35 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

The individuals holding the guns are from Redneck Revolt and the John Brown Gun Club.  Not saying there isn't overlap between the groups.  

 

 

BLM and Antifa are both Marxist.  They are different groups.  A pawn is a pawn - chessboards requires 8 pawns per side.  Their origins or 'revival' in the case of Antifa comes from the same place.  Actual Anarchists are rare to find these days.  Even the 'punk rock' realm with its 'anarchy in the UK' is all about socialism and left wing politics these days.  

Yes. These are not the anarchists of Makhno, nor the anarchists of the Spanish Civil War, nor even the Gallienists who bombed preparedness parades on Wall Street. They are much less serious, spoiled

brats basically. Not serious military opponents, but at the moment, the main enemy.

 

We really need to invent some new words for the 'beliefs' (emotional impulses) of these people... it's not traditional socialism, or anarchism. They're far from being Marxists --Marxists believed that the working class was the agent of revolution and only needed proper leadership for it to throw off its backward prejudices. These people despise the real working class.

 

There is one guy in Oregon among their leaders who is actually a thoughtful, intelligent man, who is a serious Marxist. I read some things by him last year and was impressed. But he's like a teacher in a class full of unruly five year olds.

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22 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Anyway everyone: there is a big national AntiFa event coming up very soon.  We can observe it!  We need a few people to do so.

Can you tell us in what part of the country it is? With all our new members us militia need to get together and have a pro police and pro Trump rally.

 

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9 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Yes. I've seen it before.  Someone has sat down and watched AntiFa at work, and has said to themselves ... "What must they be thinking, to be doing what they are doing?"  And has written out his idea of what goes on in their heads.  But the Right -- normal Americans actually, not just the Right -- are so distant from the thinking of the real Left, that they can't really understand, just by looking from the outside, what these Leftists are thinking.

 

The best analogy I can think of is this one. Suppose a Martian, knowing nothing of human history but able to speak English (okay, this is just an analogy) landed on Earth and, by chance, ended up near  a church on Sunday, just as people were going in.. He is invisible, or wearing an Earthman suit, so he follows them in. He sits through the service ... then comes Holy Communion ... he partakes of it . watching what others do ... and after the service, he asks someone ... "I am new here ... what was that ritual, where we ate a bit of bread and drank a liquid?" and is told, "Oh, that's the body and blood of Christ..."  The Martian leaves quickly and teleports back to Mars... "What are those Earthlings like?" his fellow Martians ask. "Disgusting!" he says.... "They are cannibals!!"

 

Okay, you Catholics and Protestants, let's not get into a barney over the Real Presence!  

 

My point is, to understand why a religion, or a political movement (which in the case of Marxism, is a kind of substitute, secular religion), to understand them, you have got to really study them, know

their history, know them, as far as possible, 'from the inside'.  Otherwise you might  mistake a profound ritual for something very different.

 

With Marxists, same-same.

Correct. In Bible College/Seminary, it is called "Systematic Theology." You know an ideology/philosophy by deconstructing it. Studying an adversary is no different.

 

When we study a thing in the military, we apply "Order of Battle Factors."  That will give you your adversary's Order of Battle.  There are 10 of them (unless you are in the Army, they made the FATAL mistake of changing to 9). Trust me, there are 10.

 

MISSION (the Army took this from their doctrine-- if you want to know the backstory of that foolishness, buy me a beer).

COMPOSITION

STRENGTH

DISPOSITION

TACTICS

TRAINING

LOGISTICS

ELECTONIC TECHNICAL DATA

COMBAT EFFECTIVENESS

MISCELLANEOUS (Biographies, psyops, challenge/passwords, etc)

 

That is for tactical and operational level intelligence.

 

But if you want strategic, you use the acronym BESTMAPS  (DoD moved away from BESTMAPS and now use PEMISI-- and it is a fool's errand; that back story will cost you a six pack).

https://forwardobserver.com/bestmaps-how-to-organize-intelligence-information/

 

Regards

 

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Very interesting.

We need to assemble an Enemy-Order-of-Battle  (suitably modified for political groups - for

all our political opponents in the US.

 

First of all: their MISSION   -- their goal is the establishment of a socialist republic in the US, but at any given time, they are pursuing strategy and tactics to achieve this, and these change over time.

This really means their formal ideology, their actual political beliefs as applied to the US and their history ... which includes the history of their changing beliefs.

For instance there are several groups that formally adere to MaoTseTung thought.. But since Mao never analyzed the US, they have had to apply it themselves ... and they vary widely in its application.

One of the main groups -- the Revolutionary Communist Party -- which incidentally is a personality cult around one Bob Avakian -- for many years maintained that homosexuality was bourgeois decadence, and promised homosexuals that after the revolution, they would receive treatment for their illness.  (We have just recorded (video and audio) a couple of hours of a meeting held last week of their main front group, 'Refuse Fascism', very active in the AntiFa/BLM demos and riots. But other Maoist groups hate them, and have a different approach to organizing the masses.  We don't know nearly enough about any of them, but a huge amount of information is out there in the public domain, if we can just get enough people to research it.

 

Almost all of the other Order of Battle Factors apply : where they are [not just geographically, but where they work], who they are, their tactics.

 

I'll have to have a good luck at Bestmaps. And I'll stand you a beer (remotely, unless you visit England) to learn that story. I'm just begining to read a book called The Psychology of Military Incompetence and it might be relevant.

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They seem to have a lot of funding from left wing non profit organizations, which allows them to bus people in from  across the country.  If we were to schedule a protest at a location and get it ok'd by the local government,  how long till antifa is notified of that protest? 

 

We gotta do something. We cannot just sit back and study our enemy forever. There is always a fog of war.

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31 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

Very interesting.

We need to assemble an Enemy-Order-of-Battle  (suitably modified for political groups - for

all our political opponents in the US.

 

First of all: their MISSION   -- their goal is the establishment of a socialist republic in the US, but at any given time, they are pursuing strategy and tactics to achieve this, and these change over time.

This really means their formal ideology, their actual political beliefs as applied to the US and their history ... which includes the history of their changing beliefs.

For instance there are several groups that formally adere to MaoTseTung thought.. But since Mao never analyzed the US, they have had to apply it themselves ... and they vary widely in its application.

One of the main groups -- the Revolutionary Communist Party -- which incidentally is a personality cult around one Bob Avakian -- for many years maintained that homosexuality was bourgeois decadence, and promised homosexuals that after the revolution, they would receive treatment for their illness.  (We have just recorded (video and audio) a couple of hours of a meeting held last week of their main front group, 'Refuse Fascism', very active in the AntiFa/BLM demos and riots. But other Maoist groups hate them, and have a different approach to organizing the masses.  We don't know nearly enough about any of them, but a huge amount of information is out there in the public domain, if we can just get enough people to research it.

 

Almost all of the other Order of Battle Factors apply : where they are [not just geographically, but where they work], who they are, their tactics.

 

I'll have to have a good luck at Bestmaps. And I'll stand you a beer (remotely, unless you visit England) to learn that story. I'm just begining to read a book called The Psychology of Military Incompetence and it might be relevant.

 

Yup, but don't confuse tactical intelligence to strategic. Missions at the tactical and operational levels are Present, past, and future. They are not broad. They are narrow statements that are consistent with the task an organization is assigned, was assigned, or will be assigned. Andanalyst can take a mission state and track is change and orientation of a unit.....and determine its Courses of Action (COAs). That is when you get into predictive intelligence (which is where you want to get to.

 

True story: I was interrogating a (fill in the blank), and he told me his Present mission and that of his organization.  When we got to Past missions, training, logistics, and combat effectiveness....it DID NOT MATCH. Not even close. How do you reconcile this? He wasn't lying. It was his perception after being told what his mission was over, and over, and over again. His unit didn't have a special operations offensive force projection mission like they were told: it was regime stability. He just didn't realize it because he didn't "count" his past missions and everything else his unit was doing as INDICATORS of what they were actually being used for.

 

 You are thinking strategic, and BESTMAPS would be a better tool as a starter (there is however an overlap with BESTMAPS and Order of Battle). Then you apply the "10 OOB" as we call it. When you get to a unit that is acting outside of what is know about it from a strategic level (BESTMAPS), you'd better find out why. 

 

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1 hour ago, Vincenzo said:

They seem to have a lot of funding from left wing non profit organizations, which allows them to bus people in from  across the country.  If we were to schedule a protest at a location and get it ok'd by the local government,  how long till antifa is notified of that protest? 

 

We gotta do something. We cannot just sit back and study our enemy forever. There is always a fog of war.

 

The person handling the paperwork at the local office may very well be the informant who notifies the political organizers on the left.  So, notification may be immediate in some cases.  It may even be the mayor or a member of law enforcement.  The political left has spent decades infiltrating every level of government and positions one could classify as community organizing.  

 

They use the large numbers of people mostly as shields for the actual agitators and instigators.  Given the sheer number of college age students in the movement who have degrees in social and psychological studies as well as other fields... they know full well how to form angry mobs and peaceful mobs to provide whatever cover they need.  

 

Take for example the CHAZ or CHOP.  There is a 'leader' of that community.  But, I can assure you that he is more of a figurehead than anything else.  He may even believe he is the leader.  But, if the leftist handlers wanted him and the CHAZ gone... it would be done with the snap of a finger.  The real leaders of the mess probably aren't even in Seattle and they probably aren't even part of Antifa.  The structure appear more akin to military rank than anything else... with the appearance of non-organization.  Antifa may not have a clear set of leadership for the sake of protecting them from getting dismantled... there are organizations of higher rank above them that send orders down to them.  It's almost as though organizations have replaced individuals so to speak.  

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I come from a Leninist background, so if I were in one of theose groups, I would be running our people 20 hours a day to recruit, recruit, recruit. Get those kids into a front group, get them into the youth group, fend off the other sharks (competing organizations). Get the kids on the escalator into the Party.

 

But  ... I don't really have a clue about the thinking of the people who are running antiFa.. how do they see a path to vicotry?. I did read a thoughtful article by one of  their leaders in Portland, which showed capacity for strategic thought.

 

 But that's all  I have. I'm not even sure of the social composition of their base. That will all change within a few weeks. There must be two dozen journalists writing extended articles on them, for Atlantic, Harpers, Vox, New Yorker, etc.

 

Here's an idea I'd like to run by you ... and anyone else reading this  -- probably safe to put this in the public domain:  these kids, for the most part, sincerely believe that they are fighting

"fascists" ... they have no clear idea what a "fascist" is ...just someone they know is evil, who wants to run Blacks through dog-food factories, etc. 

 

Now ... what if a local antiFa group got a letter ... maybe an 'Open Letter' distributed publically -- from a local militia unit saying something like this: 

 

We know you believe we are fascists, evil people, racists, etc. 

We have some members who believe, in turn, that you are admirers of Joseph Stalin .. or of Satan. 

You believe you are fighting fascists, and that you are defending democracy. 

We believe we are fighting people who hate democracy, and that we are defending our Constitutional Republic.

 

So ... we invite you to an informal picnic in the park. We will meet together under a notional flag of truce. We will

break bread together, and discuss our differences. We will find out what you really believe, and you will find out

what we really believe.

 

There is nothing to lose, and there may be something to gain.

If you are up for this, have your leaders contact our leaders at ..............

 

It's a form of psywar.  It's bound to be interesting to the media, and we make sure they get a copy.

It makes us look like the reasonable guys, the ones seeking reconciliation, blah blah.

 

They either accept it, or they don't. If they don't, we make sure the press finds out.

If they do, and they actually meet with us ... they will get a shock. (Assuming the local militia

is like the people signing up here, good, decent Americans...not haters, not racists, not fascists.)

This will introduce some ambiguity into their thinking. They will find it hard to hurl a half

brick into our parades in the future.

 

It's just an idea. I would be grateful for everyone's comments.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I come from a Leninist background, so if I were in one of theose groups, I would be running our people 20 hours a day to recruit, recruit, recruit. Get those kids into a front group, get them into the youth group, fend off the other sharks (competing organizations).

 

But  ... I don't really have a clue about the thinking of the people who are running antiFa.. how do they see a path to vicotry?. I did read a thoughtful article by one of  their leaders in Portland, which showed capacity for strategic thought.

 

 But that's all  I have. I'm not even sure of the social composition of their base. That will all change within a few weeks. There must be two dozen journalists writing extended articles on them, for Atlantic, Harpers, Vox, New Yorker, etc.

 

Here's an idea I'd like to run by you ... and anyone else reading this  -- probably safe to put this in the public domain:  these kids, for the most part, sincerely believe that they are fighting

"fascists" ... they have no clear idea what a "fascist" is ...just someone they know is evil, who wants to run Blacks through dog-food factories, etc. 

 

Now ... what if a local antiFa group got a letter ... maybe an 'Open Letter' distributed publically -- from a local militia unit saying something like this: 

 

We know you believe we are fascists, evil people, racists, etc. 

We have some members who believe, in turn, that you are admirers of Joseph Stalin .. or of Satan. 

You believe you are fighting fascists, and that you are defending democracy. 

We believe we are fighting people who hate democracy, and that we are defending our Constitutional Republic.

 

So ... we invite you to an informal picnic in the park. We will meet together under a notional flag of truce. We will

break bread together, and discuss our differences. We will find out what you really believe, and you will find out

what we really believe.

 

There is nothing to lose, and there may be something to gain.

If you are up for this, have your leaders contact our leaders at ..............

 

It's a form of psywar.  It's bound to be interesting to the media, and we make sure they get a copy.

It makes us look like the reasonable guys, the ones seeking reconciliation, blah blah.

 

They either accept it, or they don't. If they don't, we make sure the press finds out.

If they do, and they actually meet with us ... they will get a shock. (Assuming the local militia

is like the people signing up here, good, decent Americans...not haters, not racists, not fascists.)

This will introduce some ambiguity into their thinking. They will find it hard to hurl a half

brick into our parades in the future.

 

It's just an idea. I would be grateful for everyone's comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you've watch any protests from the past you'll notice that the 'leadership' at any of the protests or events goes around and tells their minions to stop talking.  They will intentionally place signs in front of people and make loud noises to drown out any conversation.  They are trained to not talk to Nazi's unless it is to harass them.  

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3 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

If you've watch any protests from the past you'll notice that the 'leadership' at any of the protests or events goes around and tells their minions to stop talking.  They will intentionally place signs in front of people and make loud noises to drown out any conversation.  They are trained to not talk to Nazi's unless it is to harass them.  

Okay ... so they don't want their people to talk to us.  That means, we might score an advantage if we offer, to their members, the opportunity to do so. Not in the heated atmosphere of a demonstration, but, say at a picnic in a public park. Say, on Martin Luther King's birthday, to celebrate. Introduce some cognitive dissonance.

 

Speaking of which, it's after 1am on this side of the pond, and my cognitives are starting to dissonate. So it's off to bed for me.  This is an interesting discussion.

3 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

Fleccas along with others have tried to dialogue for quite some time.  

 

 

Wrong context. Cameras are on, the AntiFa guy feels it's a debate, he must perform.  We want to be sitting on blankets in the open air. No onlookers.  Our approach is, Ask us anything.

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9 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

If you've watch any protests from the past you'll notice that the 'leadership' at any of the protests or events goes around and tells their minions to stop talking.  They will intentionally place signs in front of people and make loud noises to drown out any conversation.  They are trained to not talk to Nazi's unless it is to harass them.  

I am skeptical that these kids will accept anyone's "training".

In any case, I am proposing a public, open letter, written in the spirit of Christian brotherhood, sweetness and light.  "Let's talk ... away from the media and the crowds .. just us two groups, both of whom believe we are defending decency and fairness and a better world than the one the other group is defending.  Come share a meal with us. We'll listen respectfully to your ideas. We are just simple workers. Perhaps we have been misled by the evil corporations. Change our minds. "  

Okay I laid it on a bit thick there ... but ... I read a letter from their leader in Portland to the ranks: he said, among other things, that among the white nationaists we will be fighting, are young workers who capitalism has robbed of a future ... some day we must reach them..."  I don't remembet the letter well, I'll try to find it.

 

The point is, we win either way. Their leaders say no, we look like the reasonable people in the public's eye.  If they say yes ... we undermine the image they are taught, that we are Satan incarnate.

How can we lose?

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Well, if you can pull it off... good on you.  I think it is admirable for sure.  But, I think you'll have plenty of leftovers at the picnic.  There is a reason why a segment of the Patriot movement is tired of trying to talk.  Some have been trying to talk with these types for the better part of 10 years.  They don't talk, they don't listen, they don't learn, they don't change.  Whether public or private.  

 

I realize a bunch of people have recently jumped into this fray and want to go through all the diplomatic stuff that is customary whenever a conflict is taking place.  They're optimistic and fresh.  The reason why?  Because they missed the boat on all the stuff that has been going on.  I was in college in the early to mid 00's and was regularly arguing with these people on campus, in the classroom, and at the pub.  At that time they would still have a beer with you and agree to disagree.  Most of the folks I met at college who were left leaning no longer talk to me or I no longer talk to them.  Why?  Because I'm a (insert whatever ism).  The shift away from dialogue probably took place in the late 00's.  The theory promoted was that by talking with those individuals that you oppose, you are giving legitimacy to their ideas and giving them a platform.  That's why they don't talk anymore and that is why the Social Media wing is engaging in censorship.  Just like they pull down statues to erase history, they don't engage in conversation and censor wrong think to erase views they disagree with.  

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8 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

I am skeptical that these kids will accept anyone's "training".

In any case, I am proposing a public, open letter, written in the spirit of Christian brotherhood, sweetness and light.  "Let's talk ... away from the media and the crowds .. just us two groups, both of whom believe we are defending decency and fairness and a better world than the one the other group is defending.  Come share a meal with us. We'll listen respectfully to your ideas. We are just simple workers. Perhaps we have been misled by the evil corporations. Change our minds. "  

Okay I laid it on a bit thick there ... but ... I read a letter from their leader in Portland to the ranks: he said, among other things, that among the white nationaists we will be fighting, are young workers who capitalism has robbed of a future ... some day we must reach them..."  I don't remembet the letter well, I'll try to find it.

 

The point is, we win either way. Their leaders say no, we look like the reasonable people in the public's eye.  If they say yes ... we undermine the image they are taught, that we are Satan incarnate.

How can we lose?

 

Indoctrination from Pre-K through Graduate school creates their worldview.  

 

We will never win in the eyes of the public.  At best, a sizable segment of the population will have neutral feelings about us.  As I've said elsewhere... the victor writes the history books.  

 

Dialogue might snatch a few from the flames.  But, no amount of conversation is going to change the path that the political radical left has put us on.  

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3 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

Foxnews had some videos on antifa. I try to get them and it says they cannot be reached now.  The proudboys are not white supremacist. They have black members I know. They are patriots.  You can google antifa yourself.  The bolshevik's did use military force and terror to take power.  Note what trotsky did not what he said or wrote.  

All revolutions use military force to take power, ours included. When we decide to change the government of some other country to suit ourselves, we use military force.

 

The seizure of power in October 1917 had lots of support. Too long to go into now .. we should argue about this after ou have finished the book.

 

As for the terror ... that came later.  Keep reading Trotsky's history. But of course, not only him, he will tell it from his point of view. Read the anti-Communist Richard Pipes, or  some of the other books on the subject -- I can supply anyone interested with a reading list.

 

No, the Proud Boys are not white supremacist ... they have some Latino leaders.Did not know about the Black members. They are proud of Western Civilization and rightly so. And their enemies hate Western civilization.But they were not tactically smart in some of their alliances.  I'll find the Oathkeepers statement ... or it may have been the Three percenters.. on why they weren't going. I think it was the Oathkeepers.  There is a questoin of public perception.  Suppose there is a patriotic parade, and suppose the PedoPhile Alliance decides to take part, and permission is granted by the city for them to do so.  Now for your group -- a vets group let's say  -- to decide to carry on and participate too, or to refuse to participate, is a tactical decision. If you participate, you sort of legitimate the Pedos.  If you let white suprematicists march with you, you legitmate them. And I think that was  what the Oathkeepers were worried about.  I'll see if I can find the statement.

 

 

Ah, yes. Here it is:

Militia Leader Warns Against Attending Portland Rally, Citing Legal Risks And White Nationalist Presence

by Amelia Templeton Follow OPB Aug. 16, 2019 6:45 a.m. | Updated: Aug. 16, 2019 8:35 a.m. | Portland, Ore.


The national president of the Oath Keepers, a prominent anti-government militia, is urging his members to stay away from a far-right demonstration in downtown Portland Saturday.

Stewart Rhodes, founder of the citizen militia group known as the Oath Keepers speaks during a rally outside the White House in Washington, Sunday, June 25, 2017.

Stewart Rhodes, founder of the citizen militia group known as the Oath Keepers speaks during a rally outside the White House in Washington, Sunday, June 25, 2017.

Susan Walsh/AP

The event is being billed as a rally against antifa. It’s been condemned by Portland’s mayor and a broad coalition of civil rights, law enforcement and business groups as a pretext for violence. 

In a lengthy statement published online, Oath Keepers President Stewart Rhodes said people who attend the event risk associating themselves with white nationalists and could expose themselves to criminal charges for rioting.

 

“We do not, and cannot, knowingly associate with known or suspected white nationalists,” he wrote.

Rhodes said he does not consider the organizers of the event, a Florida man named Joe Biggs and Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys, a fraternity that describes itself as “western chauvinist” and espouses parts of white supremacist ideology, to be white nationalists themselves. But he faulted the men for not getting a permit for their march and failing to take other steps to exclude known white nationalists from joining it.

 

“The left in this nation is desperate to paint all conservatives and, especially, all Trump supporters as ‘white nationalists’ to the point of absurdity. Allowing any actual white nationalists into an event where attendees are encouraged to bring Trump flags as well as American flags would be a grave mistake,” Rhodes wrote.

Rhodes also said he was concerned that angry videos and violent memes the organizers of the march have posted online suggest they want to incite violence and could expose attendees to prosecution for rioting under state and federal law.

 

 As he urged organizers to cancel their event, an Indiana group that calls itself The American Guard confirmed it plans to attend.

The group claims to promote states’ rights and the U.S. Constitution. However, the group’s president, Brien James, has a long history of founding neo-Nazi groups and has been involved in violent feuds between rival factions of racist skinheads, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Twitter suspended Biggs’s account in July. Antifascists have compiled a public archive of videos and memes posted by Biggs and members of the Vancouver, Washington-based Patriot Prayer, a far-right group that attracts white supremacists and has engaged in violence, including calls for murder and graphic depictions of violence against antifa.

 

In recent weeks, Biggs has publicly asked his supporters to tone down their rhetoric and refrain from showing up armed, after, he said, he was visited by the FBI.

 

Rhodes’ statement warning his followers to stay away from the demonstration comes as Portland’s mayor and police chief have promised a swift investigation of any crimes that take place.  

In recent weeks, the Multnomah County district attorney has charged multiple members of the Patriot Prayer group with assault and harassment for their role in a brawl at the Portland pub Cider Riot in May.

Joey Gibson, Patriot Prayer’s leader, has said he is turning himself in. He faces a felony charge of rioting. He has disputed the charge, calling it a politically motivated attempt to prevent him from participating in the demonstration Saturday.

 
 

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33 minutes ago, RevRifleman said:

 

Indoctrination from Pre-K through Graduate school creates their worldview.  

 

We will never win in the eyes of the public.  At best, a sizable segment of the population will have neutral feelings about us.  As I've said elsewhere... the victor writes the history books.  

 

Dialogue might snatch a few from the flames.  But, no amount of conversation is going to change the path that the political radical left has put us on.  

Yes, I agree. We will not win a single member of AntiFA over to the patriotic side, at least not now. We  may create some doubts, some cognitive dissonance, in their ranks.  We may win some public sympathy. We will not win a majority. Trump will be the last Republican President. The Left will take control of America, and move steadily left. All  this is true. But there will be a reaction .. America will not freeze into a Leftist state.  In that  reaction is our hope. And we want as many people strongly on our side as possible; for those who are not strongly for us, we want as many as possible weakly for us; for those who cannot be for us even weakly, we want neutrality;' for those who cannot be neutral, we want their opposition to us to be weak and full of doubts.

 

This means waging a continual psychological war aimed at splitting the enemy's forces, weaking his resolve, introducing cognitive dissonance in his ranks ; pulling his weak supporters to the middle and the people in the middle towards us, and our weak supporters into the more militant  group of our supporters, etc.

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I live in a very conservative state, but those who live in leftist states can expect less favorable treatment from police and DA offices  Antifa and blm may get a slap on the wrist, while patriotic protesters may get the book thrown at them. In leftist cities militias need to be smarter in what they do. This has probably discouraged militias from showing up in large cities.

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I think some of the uncertainty about calling Antifa and BLM “Marxist”, lies in the fact that they are prime examples of new cultural Marxism. In a way it is an old turd in a shiny new wrapper. New tactics (social media, doxxing, shadow banning) and new victim classes. It used to be the poor vs. the rich, the haves and the have nots. Now it’s intersectionality victimhood. The hierarchy of victimhood (race, gender, sexual identity, religion, blah blah) is what they run on. This is a new phenomenon and honestly it’s a muddled mess to try to figure out because it also stems from postmodernism which, to me, truly seems like the death of intelligent philosophical thought.

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39 minutes ago, S.Curtis said:

I think some of the uncertainty about calling Antifa and BLM “Marxist”, lies in the fact that they are prime examples of new cultural Marxism. In a way it is an old turd in a shiny new wrapper. New tactics (social media, doxxing, shadow banning) and new victim classes. It used to be the poor vs. the rich, the haves and the have nots. Now it’s intersectionality victimhood. The hierarchy of victimhood (race, gender, sexual identity, religion, blah blah) is what they run on. This is a new phenomenon and honestly it’s a muddled mess to try to figure out because it also stems from postmodernism which, to me, truly seems like the death of intelligent philosophical thought.

 

Yep. It is intended to demoralize the population on one hand and provoke conflict on the other. 

 

 

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Yes, it's this strange (to this old ex-Marxist) phenomenon of 'Cultural Marxism' ... actually far more destructive than the real thing.  You can put a gun to man's head and make him do what you want.

But the cultural Marxists get inside the heads of our youth and capture not just their unwilling bodies, but their brains.

 

Bugger!!!! I just saw that an experiment I was doing has changed my profile!!! I am Doug1943.

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7 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

I live in a very conservative state, but those who live in leftist states can expect less favorable treatment from police and DA offices  Antifa and blm may get a slap on the wrist, while patriotic protesters may get the book thrown at them. In leftist cities militias need to be smarter in what they do. This has probably discouraged militias from showing up in large cities.

This is exactly right. We must be gentle as doves and wise as serpents.  Armed doves.

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On 6/29/2020 at 3:17 PM, Vincenzo said:

When evaluating antifa or blm, I see that some of them carry guns including rifles, but I question their shooting accuracy. I suspect their shooting proficiency varies greatly. If I were to go against them I would want other guys who are steadfast with me. I would not want some unknown guys who just joined the militia.  With the right guys and strategy, if would be easy to slaughter them.

I imagine the BLM and Antifa members one sees carrying a fire arm, are more than likely gang members mixing into the crowd. As to their accuracy , have you ever seen a gang banger or anyone on the left at a shooting range and practicing on a target ?  probably at a greater risk the closer you are than at a distance, but either way it just takes getting lucky and someone is getting shot.

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17 hours ago, Soda Jack said:

Here is a facebook group whose archive might be fruitful. Just gotta get through the door.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/925823854110470

 

 

 

This should be fairly common sense, if one is wanting to get into these leftist facebook groups,  go find yourself a burner email, like mail.com or gmail, use that to create a fake facebook page, that shows you promote the lefts bs, start building your leftist FB presence by liking and following CNN an etc bullshit, and in turn once you get into a group such as mentioned, you have to really take the time to basically let the grooming process begin, or that introductory dance, if someone wants to live chat with you, have at it, just make sure your room where you are doing it, is very generic in the background , make sure all your normal shit, conservative stuff is out. but dont make it look like a friggin terrorist back drop.   An don't ask a shit pot of blatant questions right out the gate. Jackasses that love to talk will tell you right out the gate, the more paranoid pick up on shit quick.   Anyhow so build that FB profile first before banging on a group door to get an invite, because they don't know you for one. An have some generic pictures in your fake FB page too, pictures of your garden, dog, what ever, nothing too personal but nothing dramatically fake either.  If the want to talk on the phone, talk to them, go get yourself a burner phone for 20 bucks at walmart, if you are afraid of your computer getting hacked doing this shit, then go buy a cheap computer from walmart as well , keep nothing personal on it .  An have your own fake persona built as well, make up a backstory that isn't too insane, if you are of a certain age, dont pretend you are some hipster doing new age shit. basically act your age but in a leftist manner, you burned your bra, and or your draft card, what ever.

 

IF you have some serious photoshop skills, that could be really handy for inserting yourself into some photos, here i am in woodstock, here i am tossing my medal of honor over the fence of the white house, shit like that, here is the time i met a leftist asshole politician. Though i wouldn't suggest it if you are not very good at it, the Kardashians gets busted all the time for their fails.

 

 Also something else to consider on communications for militias and counter protesting, if you really want to be paranoid or cautious , when sending information online, if it is critical in nature or sensitive , send half a message on one platform, and the rest another, so message reads (((((((( and ends with, i will text you the rest later, or call you later, which ever suits. It is very hard to hack or get full information from half a message.

 

Anyhow if one wants to get really chin deep in the shit with the left online, do so with maybe at least a consideration to do it to gather evidence, that can in turn one day be posted not just online, but on the news as well. Much like how Planned Parent hood was busted for wanting to sell body parts.

 

 

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