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Here are the money quotes:

 

McCloskey’s defending their private property was a “violent assault” and that authorities “will use the full power of Missouri law to hold people accountable.”

 

Albert Watkins, the McCloskeys’ attorney, told Fox News that “If Kimberly Gardner wants to press charges against two attorneys who are protecting their home and their family and themselves on their own property, I will tell you that it will be nothing short of the proverbial cluster f***.”

 

It appears they hired private security, but if the militia in St Louis has the capability, there may be an opportunity to spread some goodwill and help protect this couple. This is being followed nationally. I am not seeing anything on the MO board regarding this. If I was in St Louis, I would call their attorney and offer to kit up and sign up for a shift.

 

 

 

 

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The police are not on the side of law and order anymore.

 

They have not been since the first riots were started over "racial injustice" decades ago.

 

If bans are handed out on this site for "inciting violence" then I should probably be disposed of relatively soon, because I maintain that our government is not, AND HAS NOT, protected law abiding citizens for quite some time.  I'm in favor of offensive maneuvers, and i'm in favor of defending people standing in their own private property with their own private firearms.

 

Ban me, or let's overthrow this totalitarian socialist regime.

 

Fuck these people.. not the rioters, but the "government officials" that are oppressing them.


"Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  - Robert A. Heinlein

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50 minutes ago, coffeebear said:

The police are not on the side of law and order anymore.

 

They have not been since the first riots were started over "racial injustice" decades ago.

 

If bans are handed out on this site for "inciting violence" then I should probably be disposed of relatively soon, because I maintain that our government is not, AND HAS NOT, protected law abiding citizens for quite some time.  I'm in favor of offensive maneuvers, and i'm in favor of defending people standing in their own private property with their own private firearms.

 

Ban me, or let's overthrow this totalitarian socialist regime.

 

Fuck these people.. not the rioters, but the "government officials" that are oppressing them.

 

Totally agree. But the issue at hand is this couple needs protection.....and we need new blood. I'd stand out there with a MYMILITIA.COM sign on and have the media and BLM lose their shit.

 

We need to commit to not wasting opportunities the adversary gives us. This opportunity is a no-brainer. It is practical (the couple needs protection), and it opens up a massive Information Operation (puts the militia out front in the public square for discussion and counters worthless government).

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These people vote Democrat and supported and donated to Marxist BLM faction I believe. The guys on the ground should figure out weather this is a hill they want to die on or not.

 

Daily Reminder: The police are wanton confiscating firearms in this country and then the people using force lawfully get charged, their lives ruined, their jobs taken, their vehicles taken, etc...

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1 hour ago, Ovrclockd said:

These people vote Democrat and supported and donated to Marxist BLM faction I believe. The guys on the ground should figure out weather this is a hill they want to die on or not.

 

Daily Reminder: The police are wanton confiscating firearms in this country and then the people using force lawfully get charged, their lives ruined, their jobs taken, their vehicles taken, etc...

Hmmm....didn't know that. May have to reconsider. Where did you get your info from, @ Ovrclockd ?

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I read it passively, I think Tim Pool reported on it partially, I had a small bit of inside info and a hunch because lawyers are generally not the best types of people anyways and I thought that was a meme until I met 13 lawyers and sat down and talked to them one by one in real life...

 

Tim Pool seems fair in his reporting and has been well-cited and thought out so I'll post this for consideration: https://www.bitchute.com/video/3_V01xG1jSg/

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2 hours ago, Ovrclockd said:

These people vote Democrat and supported and donated to Marxist BLM faction I believe. The guys on the ground should figure out weather this is a hill they want to die on or not.

 

Daily Reminder: The police are wanton confiscating firearms in this country and then the people using force lawfully get charged, their lives ruined, their jobs taken, their vehicles taken, etc...

There are a  lot of ppl who voted Democrat and are now firmly conservatives. Candace Owens being one of them. There is an overarching principle over this that transcends political parties: government took away the 2A inalienable right when it was overtly employed.

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They are both lawyers, they will own the city of St. Louis by the time they are done with them.


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain

 

"I prefer dangerous FREEDOM over peaceful SLAVERY" -Thomas Jefferson

 

"Si vis pacem para bellum" - Every wise warrior there ever was.

 

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11 hours ago, coffeebear said:

The police are not on the side of law and order anymore.

 

They have not been since the first riots were started over "racial injustice" decades ago.

 

If bans are handed out on this site for "inciting violence" then I should probably be disposed of relatively soon, because I maintain that our government is not, AND HAS NOT, protected law abiding citizens for quite some time.  I'm in favor of offensive maneuvers, and i'm in favor of defending people standing in their own private property with their own private firearms.

 

Ban me, or let's overthrow this totalitarian socialist regime.

 

Fuck these people.. not the rioters, but the "government officials" that are oppressing them.

All patriots should share this ideology. If law enforcement is conducting unconstitutional actions, the duty to resist is absolute. 

Edited by TheCannon18

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I should take a moment to clarify that I believe the cops... the boots on the ground... are simply doing what they've been told to do.  Yes, that's the excuse Nazis used during the Nuremberg Trials, but evidence suggests that obedience to authority is legitimate, even while conducting immoral actions.

 

Incidentally, the rioters are functioning in a similar capacity.  Actively fighting them doesn't address the problem of where and who is giving them their marching orders.


"Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  - Robert A. Heinlein

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12 hours ago, MiguelCepeda said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-warrant-served-on-st-louis-couple-who-defended-private-property-guns-confiscated-report-says?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

 

Here are the money quotes:

 

McCloskey’s defending their private property was a “violent assault” and that authorities “will use the full power of Missouri law to hold people accountable.”

 

Albert Watkins, the McCloskeys’ attorney, told Fox News that “If Kimberly Gardner wants to press charges against two attorneys who are protecting their home and their family and themselves on their own property, I will tell you that it will be nothing short of the proverbial cluster f***.”

 

It appears they hired private security, but if the militia in St Louis has the capability, there may be an opportunity to spread some goodwill and help protect this couple. This is being followed nationally. I am not seeing anything on the MO board regarding this. If I was in St Louis, I would call their attorney and offer to kit up and sign up for a shift.

 

 

 

 

Just goes to show you, that before you decide to be a nut job, you might want to investigate local laws before pissing your pants and bringing out your firearm, also looks like  from this Yahoo Article,

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mark-mccloskey-st-louis-guns-black-lives-matter-064909928.html

 

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Friday that the McCloskeys have a reputation as obnoxious neighbors who have “nearly constantly sued other people and ordered people off their property.”

They have sued neighbors for making changes to their gravel road, sued a former employer for wrongful termination, sued others for defamation, and asserted “squatters’ rights” on common neighborhood property, according to the newspaper. This was apparently part of the land they claimed to be guarding with their firearms. McCloskey said in an affidavit last year that he had once challenged a neighbor cutting through that property “at gunpoint.”

 

 

So it really helps to not jump to conclusions about an original story or any story until more information is brought forward.

 

Versus this

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/laurenstrapagiel/crown-point-indiana-black-lives-matter-guns

 

not one person in this second article / video, is seen screaming at the passing protesters or engaging in any real dialogue  more over their weapons are either holstered or in a downward position or at the very least in the direction of the person next to them. The other video you have the one woman aiming at people who have been noted as not being armed. An also the difference, this appears to be a connected effort to send a message, by a group of neighbors ; it is a lot easier to take action against two nut jobs, who have no support from their neighbors, than a group of neighbors who know how to behave and handle a fire arm in a professional manner.

 

 

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All of these assertions from the MSM doesn't address the merits of their cases, and it detract from the basic principle that (2) their 2A right was taken away without cause. Charging them with "violent assault" is beyond the pale. Coming from the DA, that is the bigger sin. The militia cannot be in the business of protecting only those who vote conservative. At that point, we become a private army.

 

Like them or hate them, a fence was torn down, demonstrative of unruly and riotous behavior. They were in the right, and if we win over two democrat lawyers, that's a bonus.

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14 hours ago, Saiga308snipe said:

By taking his rifle away they are jeopardizing himself and his family members of harm due to the protesters might come back

This alone has golden opportunity written all over it. There's lawsuit written all over this, and God help the county if they do actually come to any harm.

 

In the meantime, there's hay to be made out of this. The care has to be in who winds up in front of the camera and how reasonable they appear versus how dastardly CNN is going to make them out to be.

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these two whack jobs are better off with out weapons, they clearly do not know how to behave, and the woman pointing the pistol at a crowd of unarmed people was lucky that there wasn't someone armed in that crowd just as batshit nuts and actually killed her for pointing a weapon.  I do hope they go to court so it all gets laid out in the open, their history and exactly why their weapons were taken away.

 

They didn't get their weapons taken away because they were law abiding citizens protecting  land that they were probably squatting on, according to some reports,  they didn't have their weapons taken away because rioters decided to toss bricks and molitov cocktails into their  home and broke in, and were fired upon.  you can be pissed off all you want at anyone, but if you think a broken fence or car is reason enough to point a loaded weapon at someone who may or may not have been the one to do it, you don't need to have a firearm.  you need a cheap trailer park in Alabama with like minded individuals.

 

So no one wants to ask or answer why another group of armed white people in a predominately white neighborhood, didn't have their weapons confiscated when BLM came marching by ?

 

I can answer, it was because they knew how to behave, they didn't point their weapons at anyone.  The same reason why at the few armed protests that have happened, no one got shot, or had their fire arms confiscated, they knew how to behave and didn't point them at anyone.

 

You have the Right to own a fire arm, you don't have the right to point it anyone you want for what ever reason you deem necessary. There is a very fine line that people with legal fire arm have to abide by especially when trying to operate  with in Democrat strong holds and anti 2A laws.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, GLCsector3295 said:

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-23-states-that-have-sweeping-self-defense-laws-just-like-floridas

 

An interesting article that has more links to gun laws in a few states.

 

You act as if most of these gun laws around the country should exist in the first place when the majority of them are unconstitutional...

 

Florida is the same state that outlawed the 2nd Amendment entirely for young men aged 18-21. The reality of the situations on the ground, the implementation and enforcement of the gun control laws, and the destruction of peoples' lives in the court system over the mere accusation of exercising fundamental rights, and their being stripped of a means of self defense getting them murdered in the mean time waiting for court has factually and historically rendered this idea of appeasement insolvable.

 

I am not a fan of these characters but not having training does not mean you do not have the right... also, think with some reciprocity here, if your property was marched on by a mob with a history of violence, you would either do the same or succumb to them, and you wouldn't want us all thinking you were a criminal based on the accusations of the same mob alone after the fact and when you get stripped of arms for an indefinite amount of time...

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they broke through the entry gate of a private development and marched on a private Street and with the past history of these protesters the couple had every right to bear arms !

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