Certification Levels

[Vincenzo 52]

Currently we have many new members in militias. The actual skills and abilities of these new members is unknown. If we want militias to function well and want to enable inter militia missions, then perhaps some certification would be helpful for basic fitness and marksmanship. Some ex military dudes could run these and just determine what type of missions members are suited for.

[Slim Jim 2]

Do you mean generating assessments or copying assessments that one of the Military branches or Law Enforcement Agencies uses to determine tactical or operational competencies of members and keep track of them for all militias in a state, to maintain a sense of  organization and leadership including training for the members.  In case of activation or for teams to be assembled in the event of loss of personnel? 

[Rev.E. 838]

M-1 Recruit
In basic Level One training, undergoing screening and evaluation during mandatory
90 day probationary period. This is also the entry rank for those who respond to a
real call up.
M-2 Private
Basic militiaman-has attained Level One training and equipment standards. Can
operate unsupported in the field for a 24 hour period.
M-3 Private First Class
Primary Forces militiaman - Assistant Team Leader. Must assist in the training of M-
1's through the buddy system or one on one interactive training. Has met all Level
Two training and equipment standards. Can operate unsupported in the field for a 72
hour period.
M-4 Corporal (Team Leader)
Has served as an M-3 for a period of 6 months. He has mastered all Level 1 and 2
skills and is capable of teaching them to others. The M-4 has a good working
knowledge of small unit tactics, troop leading procedures and has proven his
leadership qualities in the field.
NCO Grades:
NCOs are responsible for the discipline, appearance, training, conduct and welfare of
their men at all times; as well as the condition, care and economical use of all
equipment. The NCO must command and control the tactical employment, fire
control and discipline and movement of those placed under him. In the field, he
positions himself where he can best carry out the orders of his C/O while observing
and controlling his teams.
M-5 Sergeant (Squad Leader, SOG)
Has served as an M-4 for a period of 1 year. He is a master of all Level 1 and 2 skills
and is the lead instructor of his squad. He has proven leadership ability. He is
knowledgeable in advanced squad level tactics, resistance warfare, troop leading
procedures, mission planning and execution.
M-6 Master Sergeant (Platoon Leader)
M-6 Master Sergeant - Platoon Leader
He is the senior NCO at the platoon level and commands 3 squads. He is the senior
training officer for his platoon. It is his responsibility to maintain the combat
readiness of his men at all times.
M-7 First Sergeant (Company Level Command Staff)
He is the senior NCOIC and Operations / Training Officer. He oversees all training
within the company. He coordinates with the S-2 and assists the Commanding officer
in operational planning.
M-8 Sergeant Major (Battalion Level Command Staff) Command Staff will
consist of a squad of M3 and M4s for security and message dispatch couriers in
addition to the radio operator.
*NOTE: Grade Modifiers*
Modifiers are necessary to allow command to assign NCO leadership to lead new
recruits as they become available. Training of active members as NCOs capable of
leading at the squad level is the greatest force multiplier. Knowledge, ability and
dedication are the only valid criteria to assign rank within the militia. Rank modifiers
are the only way to determine if a militiaman is able to carry out a specific mission.
The rank and the modifiers are included in the individual training card and is the only
information to be transferred to a roster.
0XX Unfit for front line combat - due to age (45+) or physical disability. but, has met
all other Level 1 and 2 requirements. This person is capable of operating in a support
role such as training, communications, medical, supply and logistics. In the case of
military veterans; their primary mission will be the training of others.
1XX Minimum physical fitness level - 2 mile Field march w/Level 1 gear in 30
minutes.
2XX Moderate physical fitness level - 3 miles field march w/Level 2 in 40 minutes.
3XX Excellent physical fitness level - 5 mile field march w Level 2 (72 hour) gear in 2
hours.
X1X Basic Marksman - “Recruit” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X2X Advanced Marksman - “Sharpshooter” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X3X Expert Marksman - “Expert” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X4X Designated Marksman (Sniper) - “Expert” score and meets DMR scoring on the
MQT
XXA Qualified with 5.56
XXB " " 7.62x.39
XXC " " 7.62x.51 (308)
XXD " " 7.62x.59 (30.06)
XXE " " .50 cal
XXE " " Other
UNIT PROFILES
Primary Forces:
"Minutemen" represent the backbone of the militia. These are the basic 'light
infantry" combat troops. They must be able to shoot, move and communicate. They
are trained to Level 2 standards, basic team tactics, conducting raids and patrols. as
well as providing secondary combat support for the special operations teams. They
are organized into 4 person teams, which are combined to form 12 man squads.
Some of the Primary Force missions include:
*Guard duty
*Patrolling
*Security and Warning - keeping enemy forces under surveillance.
*Intelligence - collecting information, watching civilians, monitoring refugees,
reporting attempts by enemy agents to infiltrate the area, and identifying informers.
*Logistics - providing transportation, medical care/supplies, establishing and
guarding caches, collecting food, clothing ammunition etc.
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*Requiting - identifying, screening, and recruiting personnel for active resistance
units.
*Psychological OPS - spreading rumors, leaflets, posters and graffiti, keeping the
belief in final victory alive in the minds of the populace, intimidating or elimination of
known collaborators.
*Evasion and Escape - establishing safe houses and evacuation plans, furnishing
guides.
Special Operations Groups
Every company (county militia unit) is encouraged to maintain general Level 2 teams
as well as Special Operations Groups within each county or operational area. It is
recommended that the later be comprised of those with prior military experience,
who have received advanced training or otherwise possess special technical skills. It
is anticipated that SOG units will be of particular value for interregional response
operations including training, communications, surveillance and related support
efforts.
Mission:
Special Operations Groups are organized, trained and equipped to conduct
unconventional warfare in hostile, denied, or politically sensitive areas. They operate
independently or in coordination with the operations of other Primary forces teams.
S.O.G's use clandestine, covert, or low visibility techniques with oversight from the
Area Commander. Special operations differ from the conventional operations in the
degree of physical risk, operational techniques, modes of employment, independence
from friendly support, and dependence on detailed intelligence and indigenous
assets. S.O.G. must be able to operate underground for periods up to 8 days with no
outside assistance.
Organization:
S.O.G. forces are organized into 12 man squads led by a combat veteran or a
Sergeant who has attained M-5 / 33C standards. Each squad is broken down into 2
four man Recondo teams and 2 two man Scout/Sniper teams. Recondo is the
"special mission" team. Scout/Sniper is the "rogue element" sent out after the
enemy as needed.
Training:
All S.O.G members must meet all Level 3 minimum standards and train and cross
train in 6 primary skills: Unconventional warfare, Reconnaissance, Long Range
Surveillance, Scouting/Marksmanship, Medical and Communications. Each member
will be qualified in 2 areas.
S.O.G. Missions will include:
Training
Zero Contact Reconnaissance
Surveillance
Denial Ops
Raids
Ambush
Long Range Patrols
Scout/Sniper Ops

[Slim Jim 2]

@ Rev.E.  That is a highly well organization structure! , Out of curiosity would the training be based on Military field manuals, or self developed training curriculum made by persons familiar on the topics?

[Rev.E. 838]

3 minutes ago, Slim Jim said:

@ Rev.E.  That is a highly well organization structure! , Out of curiosity would the training be based on Military field manuals, or self developed training curriculum made by persons familiar on the topics?

Good question and thank you for asking. The way I see it, I am a Retired Police Officer. I have a guy who was in both the Army and the Navy. Depending on what everyone decides they want to learn we pull from all resources, but at the same time we try and train to understand what our Military is learning. Keep friends close, but your enemy closer. 

 

Besides, these are just General Guidelines to help understand the basic structure.

 

Capt.

[Slim Jim 2]

12 minutes ago, Rev.E. said:

Good question and thank you for asking. The way I see it, I am a Retired Police Officer. I have a guy who was in both the Army and the Navy. Depending on what everyone decides they want to learn we pull from all resources, but at the same time we try and train to understand what our Military is learning. Keep friends close, but your enemy closer. 

 

Besides, these are just General Guidelines to help understand the basic structure.

 

Capt.

 

I personally feel as though pulling from not just the US but also tactics and organization from WW2 would be beneficial.

 

Here is a file I made for a video game I used to play, for small arms and basic tactics training. Never finished it, but I may now that i'm on here.  I enjoy making files and forms but one of the issues I see with this website is all the groups may try to do things separate and hoard info, then there is also the issue of if something major happens, realistically the groups / militias would be fighting each other initially depending on leadership and ROE in a real life situation. 

 

Also in the 256 Militia there is like one person communicating with me, and no other information listed in the Militias page.. not sure where the info is, as I was told it is on the page.. any who. 

Advanced Rifleman Training 29th ID by PVT.Simmons.pdf

[Rev.E. 838]

We are much more active here in Tennessee. I have several chatting all day here. I have a couple of groups started up and helping many others get up and running. Everyone has their own ways of training. That is why it is a good Idea to look around before putting too much time and efforts in the wrong place. Some look at the tactics different war scenarios. That is why I am working on getting more groups around the country more involved in COMMS. I can not answer for anything outside of my state and what I am trying to build for us. I do my best to respond to anyone asking a question or just saying they are checking in.  

 

If you are not getting any satisfaction from the guys in the group keep at it. Someone has to make the first move to get things active.

[Skillet 1,724]

@ Rev.E. This is something we came up with a around 5 years ago or so. We use it as a baseline of tasks that individuals have to achieve a "GO" rating on before we try and throw them into collective training.  Most of the task outlines and standards can be found in the soldiers and subject area manuals.

 

These are the very basic individual tasks which prepare a person to begin training with a Team (collective training). They are broken down by competency area.

Shoot

1.  Identify and employ the fundamentals of weapons safety and different weapons states
2. Perform the following manual of arms with your individual weapon:
3. Disassemble, clean, lubricate, assemble, and perform a function check on your individual weapon
4. Load, fire, and unload and clear your individual weapon
5. Perform immediate actions to remedy a malfunctioning weapon.
6. Perform Zero for your individual weapon (both iron sights and an optic)
7. Qualify static and dynamic marksmanship including pistol transitions

Move

1. Move individually using crawls and rushes.
2. Low Crawl
3. High Crawl
4. Kitty crawl
5. 3 Second Rush
6. React to an airborne and ground flare.
7. React to direct and indirect fire.
8. React to an aircraft.
9. Identify topographic symbols, features, and legend components on a USGS Topographic map
10. Orient a map to the ground by terrain association
11. Determine a location on the ground by terrain association
12. Determine a location on a map by using polar coordinates
13. Measure distance on a map
14. Determine an azimuth
15. Navigate from one point to another on the ground dismounted .

Communicate:

1. Utilize a manual SOI
2. Perform voice communications using a radio
3. Prepare and send SITREP
4. Prepare and send SPOTREP
5. Prepare and send an ACE report.
6. Request MEDEVAC
7. Use visual signaling techniques (hand and arm signals)

Secure

1. Camouflage yourself and your individual equipment
2. Select temporary and hasty fighting positions
3. Practice noise, light and litter discipline
4. Use challenge/password
5. Perform visual search and scan techniques
6. Estimate range
7. Identify duties of a static and roving guard
8. Identify and explain the 3 General Orders of a sentry
9. Perform ECP sentry duties
10. Perform roving perimeter sentry duties

Sustain (TC3 POI modified)

1. Complete the currently approved TOCCC PHTLS TC3 course of instruction
2. Establish and retrieve a cache
3. Perform field hygiene and sanitation

Survive

1. Make a fire using available methods
2. Purify water using available resources
3. Create shelter using available resources
4. Catch and prepare fish and small game
5. Perform Escape and Evasion

[Vincenzo 52]

I was thinking of starting with just basic levels for fitness and marksmanship:

Fitness:

1. Fatboy gets tired easily or has  very poor movement skills.

2. Overweight and/or below average movement skills.

3. Average movement and average fitness.

4. Basic Military fitness level.

5. Special Forces fitness level.

 

Marksmanship.

1. Untrained shooter.

2. Accurate out to 20 yards.

3. Accurate out to 100 yards.

4. Accurate out to 300 yards.

5. Sniper.

 

For instance consider different mission types and how Fitness and Marksmanship levels could be used to plan them:

a) 1 Fitness (Fatboy) level and 1 Marksmanship (untrained) level would be only suitable for peaceful protesting or rally missions. Maybe they could be use their size for a charge or two.

b) 1. Fitness (Fatbou) level  and Marksmanship >1 could be used as guards in addition to a) type missions.

c)  Fitness level >2 and Marksmanship >2 could be used on some mission that do not require rapid movement but may require possible use of firearms.

d)  Fitness level 5 and Marksmanship 5  advanced recon and/or stealth target destruction.

 

These are just examples. Perhaps include other fields like hand to hand combat and or demolition skills. The idea is that having member skills and competencies recorded and/or verified would make it easier to schedule missions quickly.

 

Edited August 3 by Vincenzo

[Slim Jim 2]

@ Rev.E.  , training and format listed is excellent for establishing a in depth but basic format to promotions, leadership roles, and requirements for tasks as well as the weapon qualifications having a system of maintain certifications. Love it!

@ Skillet  , well thought out training categories for members to undertake for different levels of tasks, expands in a way onto what Rev E has listed as far as, training that members should undergo but more in depth as to tasks needed to complete.  However it is a little much weighted on the pure military side of things as far as SITREP, SPOTREP, MEDEVAC, and a few of the other heavily military items, and here is why. My time in the National Guard, we had to take classes and courses on all the military jargon, reports, forms, combat tactics, weapon maintenance, etc. And no one remembers half of them, this is why they gave out laminated cards with the info on it for the vehicle commanders and team leaders to refer to. It is an excellent training guide but it needs to be scaled down to items that perspective militia members, that have never seen that stuff can train and review it once or twice a month and be semi proficient on it. Not say to completely remove the SITREP and SPOTREP reports, but choose one and go with it. The military has over complicated a lot of things. dont bring that complexity to people looking to join a group where they review and train a day or evening a month and try to cram it. Also don't forget foraging and gardening, in a SHTF scenario your going to want to know how to garden and make vegetables, as well as skin and raise  animals like the indians and colonists did. 

 

@ Vincenzo  , your formula is simple, easy and effective. a mix of that formula design with the administrative ability of an identifier like Rev. E has in his and you have (example) 

"12B" = Basic level of acceptable fitness, decent marksmanship ability, and qualified with 7.62 x 39 ( which will be common with 5.56 as well)  

By combining all the qualification categories together, and now you have a individual identifier which can be easily used to asses someones skill and ability.  Mixed with your tasks formula, you can identify who can perform what missions and tasks. 

 

0XX Unfit for front line combat - due to age (45+) or physical disability. but, has met
all other Level 1 and 2 requirements. This person is a support role
1XX Minimum physical fitness level - 2 mile Field march w/Level 1 gear in 30 minutes.
2XX Moderate physical fitness level - 3 miles field march w/Level 2 in 40 minutes.
3XX Excellent physical fitness level - 5 mile field march w Level 2 (72 hour) gear in 2 hours.

-
X1X Basic Marksman - “Recruit” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X2X Advanced Marksman - “Sharpshooter” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X3X Expert Marksman - “Expert” score on Marksmanship Qualification Test
X4X Designated Marksman (Sniper) - “Expert” score and meets DMR scoring on the
-
XXA Qualified with 5.56
XXB " " 7.62x.39
XXC " " 7.62x.51 (308)

 

Vincenzo, a mix of your idea with Rev E admin category system, could make the identifier " recorded competency"  your looking for. 

Edited August 3 by Slim Jim

[Skillet 1,724]

7 hours ago, Slim Jim said:

@ Skillet  , well thought out training categories for members to undertake for different levels of tasks, expands in a way onto what Rev E has listed as far as, training that members should undergo but more in depth as to tasks needed to complete.  However it is a little much weighted on the pure military side of things as far as SITREP, SPOTREP, MEDEVAC, and a few of the other heavily military items, and here is why. My time in the National Guard, we had to take classes and courses on all the military jargon, reports, forms, combat tactics, weapon maintenance, etc. And no one remembers half of them, this is why they gave out laminated cards with the info on it for the vehicle commanders and team leaders to refer to. It is an excellent training guide but it needs to be scaled down to items that perspective militia members, that have never seen that stuff can train and review it once or twice a month and be semi proficient on it. Not say to completely remove the SITREP and SPOTREP reports, but choose one and go with it. The military has over complicated a lot of things. dont bring that complexity to people looking to join a group where they review and train a day or evening a month and try to cram it. Also don't forget foraging and gardening, in a SHTF scenario your going to want to know how to garden and make vegetables, as well as skin and raise  animals like the indians and colonists did. 

 

Yeah, the reports can get crazy which is why we include the line formats on the back page in our SOI, but we use simple acronyms for our reports which people tend to remember without having to refer back to that SOI. . One thing we did was cut the MEDEVAC request down (along with a few others) to the bones with what we call a LAST request (pun intended): Location, Ambulatory (A or N), Severity (Critical, Urgent, Routine), and Threat.  You'd be surprised how fast even the newest folks get those acronyms, which are usually tied into the classes they pertain to. ACE is the same, as is SALUTER by line. We keep it simple, which is how we can integrate people easily. But another factor in our favor is we are at 100% vets, so it's not usually an issue.

One thing we ditched is the complex categorization of people.  You either meet the standards and are on the operational side or you aren't for some reason (special skillset, age, etc.) and work C2 or logistics. We don't use rank in the normal sense. It's all functional positional titles.  

 

I run a ranch and we have a few fairly large gardens (about a half acre in all). It eats up  the majority of my time even with my oldest son helping.  Survival is almost a full time effort if you are going to be self sufficient. If you notice in the list I posted catch and prepare fish and small game is listed. We're lucky our area is pretty abundant with wildlife and it's nothing to forage a small meal in short order.

[Slim Jim 2]

8 hours ago, Skillet said:

 

Yeah, the reports can get crazy which is why we include the line formats on the back page in our SOI, but we use simple acronyms for our reports which people tend to remember without having to refer back to that SOI. . One thing we did was cut the MEDEVAC request down (along with a few others) to the bones with what we call a LAST request (pun intended): Location, Ambulatory (A or N), Severity (Critical, Urgent, Routine), and Threat.  You'd be surprised how fast even the newest folks get those acronyms, which are usually tied into the classes they pertain to. ACE is the same, as is SALUTER by line. We keep it simple, which is how we can integrate people easily. But another factor in our favor is we are at 100% vets, so it's not usually an issue.

One thing we ditched is the complex categorization of people.  You either meet the standards and are on the operational side or you aren't for some reason (special skillset, age, etc.) and work C2 or logistics. We don't use rank in the normal sense. It's all functional positional titles.  

 

I run a ranch and we have a few fairly large gardens (about a half acre in all). It eats up  the majority of my time even with my oldest son helping.  Survival is almost a full time effort if you are going to be self sufficient. If you notice in the list I posted catch and prepare fish and small game is listed. We're lucky our area is pretty abundant with wildlife and it's nothing to forage a small meal in short order.

Sounds like you have a better set-up than most already ! 

[Vincenzo 52]

This coming election will determine how long till the SHTF. I think it would be very desirable to have an established command and control system in place when the SHTF. Mission planners would use this C2 system to plan missions.  The member certification levels would be crucial in any mission planning and they are something that can be anticipated and worked on before a full command and control system is completed.  I would think certifications in the following abilitied/skills would be a good start: Fitness, Marksmanship, Demolition, Medical, and Communication. 

[Slim Jim 2]

23 minutes ago, Vincenzo said:

This coming election will determine how long till the SHTF. I think it would be very desirable to have an established command and control system in place when the SHTF. Mission planners would use this C2 system to plan missions.

 

I am currently working on a PDF file that will break-down everything to Legal considerations ( i'm a cop so I can't be apart of a group against the us gov.), Command Structure, ranks, material to train on, high value targets to secure ( hospitals, police stations, military armories, schools, warehouses, stores, etc.) in the event the government shuts down such as in the CHOP/CHAZ thing that went on for a while and what is still happening in Portland. For continuity of self governance in support and aid of the legitimate Alabama / Federal Government in accordance with the US and State Constitution. And of course integrating current Militias as different Companies with-in the hierarchy so that all Militia Leaders must decide on actions for the state wide militia action. 

[Vincenzo 52]

I dont think its illegal to talk about dealing with post government situations, but dont really want to get into details of a command and control system.  I think any developed command and control system  must be kept secret and secure.  I will say that any command and control system that would be useful to militias would have to deal with voluntary militia personal.  Thus a militia in a certain region could make all or some of its militia personal available for a certain time period. A mission planner could then use these militia personal on missions within that time period and hopefully near the militia.

[Slim Jim 2]

5 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

I dont think its illegal to talk about dealing with post government situations, but dont really want to get into details of a command and control system.  I think any developed command and control system  must be kept secret and secure.  I will say that any command and control system that would be useful to militias would have to deal with voluntary militia personal.  Thus a militia in a certain region could make all or some of its militia personal available for a certain time period. A mission planner could then use these militia personal on missions within that time period and hopefully near the militia.

 

Yea that's kind of the direction i'm trying to swing it.. That if Militias want to participate in the AMC, it will help them keep in communication, maintain training records, provide training, and be the catalyst that all the participating groups go through for decisions and actions, kind of like a small UN. The only catch would be the Militias would have to agree to support and uphold the mutually agreed upon rules that all the Militias vote on. To say if a Militia unit goes rogue, the AMC or Multipule Militias that agreed to work together, should either ignore the rogue Militia or eliminate it. That's the biggest issue. ANd I don't feel it should be private or secured until it is actually functional, In which case the safest method of communication would be services like SnapChat, Kik, and maybe Discord, SNapCHat and Kik are the hardest social media communication companies to get warrants for as a law enforcement concern. And they have self destructing messages that are peer to peer. Discord is the new Fad, however the messages can be self destructing as well as voice channels, but much about it is unknown, which could be a good thing, 

[Vincenzo 52]

22 hours ago, Slim Jim said:

 

Yea that's kind of the direction i'm trying to swing it.. That if Militias want to participate in the AMC, it will help them keep in communication, maintain training records, provide training, and be the catalyst that all the participating groups go through for decisions and actions, kind of like a small UN. The only catch would be the Militias would have to agree to support and uphold the mutually agreed upon rules that all the Militias vote on. To say if a Militia unit goes rogue, the AMC or Multipule Militias that agreed to work together, should either ignore the rogue Militia or eliminate it. That's the biggest issue. ANd I don't feel it should be private or secured until it is actually functional, In which case the safest method of communication would be services like SnapChat, Kik, and maybe Discord, SNapCHat and Kik are the hardest social media communication companies to get warrants for as a law enforcement concern. And they have self destructing messages that are peer to peer. Discord is the new Fad, however the messages can be self destructing as well as voice channels, but much about it is unknown, which could be a good thing, 

Right now we have a bunch of separate militias. There is no central militia authority. In a post government situation, or in the situation that our government becomes controlled by marxistm, Some states or militias may want to work together to resist the tyranny of the the central government. Having multiple command and control systems designed separately would make it hard for these militias to work together efficiently.  Discord Snapchat and Kik are not valid command and control systems. I helped build command and control systems for the US military so I know.  Also if the command and control system is gonna be worth using then it should be kept secret and secure before deployment. Right now we do not have to work on an entire command and control system, we can just focus on assessment of member skills and/or abilities. Those should be useful to whatever command and control system a group of militia uses.

Edited August 8 by Vincenzo

[Guest O sleeper]

7 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

Right now we have a bunch of separate militias. There is no central militia authority. In a post government situation, or in the situation that our government becomes controlled by marxistm, Some states or militias may want to work together to resist the tyranny of the the central government. Having multiple command and control systems designed separately would make it hard for these militias to work together efficiently.  Discord Snapchat and Kik are not valid command and control systems. I helped build command and control systems for the US military so I know.  Also if the command and control system is gonna be worth using then it should be kept secret and secure before deployment. Right now we do not have to work on an entire command and control system, we can just focus on assessment of member skills and/or abilities. Those should be useful to whatever command and control system a group of militia uses.

I don't think having a central militia authority is a good idea. I think we should try to get past our differences and work together; we will have to if we are going to have a chance, but having a central authority will cause all kinds of problems.

[Vincenzo 52]

Slim Jim and O Sleeper;

 

Like you say establishing a central militia authority could be problematic, but say two or more militias wanted to work together for a period of time.  They may want to establish a single mission planning group. This mission planning group would probably want a single command and control systems, which would allow each militia leader to view and ok planned missions etc.  At the moment we dont have a command and control system, but we can focus on the assessment of member skills and/or abilities. If these assessment ratings are consistent then they should be useful to whatever command and control system a group of militia enventually uses.

[Cb85 136]

I can't help but think back to how our nation was founded with delegates coming together to debate issues out and eventually create a confederacy then a republic. We are in the delegate stage with the same struggle they had. How do you establish which ppl are valid delegates and which are not. 

We need a confederacy type aproach untill we hav a lot more members then we have now.  

Those regional groups can come together and develop basic SOP for working together in those areas.

its gonna have to evolve as we get more members and grow.

some areas are just to underdeveloped to have centralized leadership.

Edited August 9 by Cb85

[Guest O sleeper]

10 hours ago, Vincenzo said:

Slim Jim and O Sleeper;

 

Like you say establishing a central militia authority could be problematic, but say two or more militias wanted to work together for a period of time.  They may want to establish a single mission planning group. This mission planning group would probably want a single command and control systems, which would allow each militia leader to view and ok planned missions etc.  At the moment we dont have a command and control system, but we can focus on the assessment of member skills and/or abilities. If these assessment ratings are consistent then they should be useful to whatever command and control system a group of militia enventually uses.

I agree with that, like I said we do need to work together, but having an authority over everyone would really go against the point of the militias, which is to make sure the government doesn't get to big or out of hand. Obviously, it is right now, but not enough people are aware of this to do something big right now. We have to start slowly working our way in. But I digress.

[no one 178]

So, if I were a 21 year Marine vet with 5 overseas deployments, 4 in combat zones, I would start out as an M1 and have to work my way up through the certification levels?

It would seem we're trying to organize the unorganized militia. Quals are for military and police, not average citizens who wish to defend our constitution. I see it as a good way to steer Joe working class in a different direction.  I realize there are a bunch of gung-ho personalities here, but the unorganized militia isn't about central leadership and PT tests.

 

I would also want to see the leadership pass all of the quals set forth,such as the 3XX march.

[Vincenzo 52]

5 hours ago, Tempstar said:

So, if I were a 21 year Marine vet with 5 overseas deployments, 4 in combat zones, I would start out as an M1 and have to work my way up through the certification levels?

It would seem we're trying to organize the unorganized militia. Quals are for military and police, not average citizens who wish to defend our constitution. I see it as a good way to steer Joe working class in a different direction.  I realize there are a bunch of gung-ho personalities here, but the unorganized militia isn't about central leadership and PT tests.

 

I would also want to see the leadership pass all of the quals set forth,such as the 3XX march.

The certification levels that I am interested in are just skills/abilities. Thats what a command and control system would use. What rank you have in your own militia would be between you and your own militia.

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6 hours ago, Tempstar said:

So, if I were a 21 year Marine vet with 5 overseas deployments, 4 in combat zones, I would start out as an M1 and have to work my way up through the certification levels?

It would seem we're trying to organize the unorganized militia. Quals are for military and police, not average citizens who wish to defend our constitution. I see it as a good way to steer Joe working class in a different direction.  I realize there are a bunch of gung-ho personalities here, but the unorganized militia isn't about central leadership and PT tests.

 

I would also want to see the leadership pass all of the quals set forth,such as the 3XX march.

Certifications are nothing more than fruit salad to be applied to ones uniform, they indicate nothing about actual experience or the ability to to be a asset to the organization, they are barriers placed by people for control over others.  

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Certification is a diverse topic. When planning missions its important for mission planners to have accurate skill/ability assessment, so the mission teams can have the right skills to complete the mission. I was thinking of getting some former military sf guys together and have that group run skill assessment camps, but what is more likely to happen is that militias or groups of militias will decide to do their own skill/ability assessment.  How then would skill/abilities from different assessment groups be compared? Perhaps have some feast and games between militias from different regions to get relationships between groups from different regions and then normalise the assessments from different regions.