Kyle Rittenhouse, Some online are saying......

[Guest Highlander 401]

Chris, nows the time to not be radical, protect what’s left of American values and rights, re-elect trump and defend your family if needed.

 

Rational, guns are inanimate objects until held in the hands of a human being with intent. Both Kyle and his assailants have the right to bear arms debatably. Kyle might have had good intentions but like his assailants he had a bad plan.

 

I own fire arms for one reason, protection. The most likely Scenario for me actually using one in defense would be to kill a bear or mountain lion while hunting and camping. God for id I ever actually had to use it on a human being.

 

six months ago no one could have predicted the crazy shit going on in our country. Or at least they would have raised a brow at you if you had.

 

plan well, be good. God bless our country and our families.

[mmurdock82abn 227]

1 hour ago, Rational human being said:

Rights too often get confused with meaning 'no restraint'.  Well, you can't set up church services in the WalMart aisle or city intersection or yell so loud as to disrupt the normal peace of a court proceeding.  When the practice of a right interferes with the legal rights and privileges of others, the practice may be curtailed.  You might want to check out the ACLU if you think rights should be have no limits.

 

Well, invoking the aclu has just caused me to look down on you. The problem is people just tuck tail and accept things because they think they're powerless. Stand up, be loud, and be ready to fight. Our founders gave us the tools, it's up to each individual to use them. 

 

The one and only limit to any right is if it infringes upon the rights of another. Until then, they are limitless. 

Edited August 29 by mmurdock82abn

[Skillet 1,724]

Keep it civil gents. Don't let it devolve into a poop slinging fest of personal attacks. That will not be tolerated. If you disagree with someone state why, and present your reasons.

[Guest Highlander 401]

14 minutes ago, mmurdock82abn said:

 

Well, invoking the aclu has just caused me to look down on you. The problem is people just tuck tail and accept things because they think they're powerless. Stand up, be loud, and be ready to fight. Our founders have us the tools, it's up to each individual to use them. 

I wasn’t even going to touch it. Wash your hands now.

 

the ACLU is as corrupt as any other organization. It seeks to undermine our rights in the name of equality and to teach people what should be taught in our homes, churches and schools.

Edited August 29 by Highlander 401

[Gearbox 457]

Each person is entitled to their "views", where they stand, and what they feel what they should do.

 

The main goal here and it's not just this post, it's all the posts. Look at them, read the passion, understanding why we are all here.

 

Freedom is at stake, our rights are at stake, every fiber of what being a true American is at stake.

 

If you believe the government should have control over the people, believe we should be more or less zombies to the Leftist and shouldn't be able to live the American Dream of being able to do everything we want, within reasons of not harming others as far as criminal intents.

 

Then you shouldn't be here and like I've said before go stare at your Hilary Clinton poster on the wall and get on your knees and worship and just hand her everything you own. I will not tell you how you should be. It's your life.

 

At this moment guys n gals there is NO ROOM to be indifferent that will disrupt everything we are going to and will be doing. This is the goal of the tyranny that's going on, to pull everyone so far apart and basically show us... " See look you can't have those rights we know what's best for you, so become our slaves and we will tell you everything you can do and have to do for us."

 

If you all want to start throwing shit at eat other go get a room at a hotel and have at it.

 

No room for that right now.

 

@ Skillet  sorry if I stepped on toes, just stating my opinion.

 

[Gearbox 457]

12 minutes ago, Rational human being said:

"They are saying the guy was a felon...."  Who?  Knowledge after the fact is not viable legal defense.  If you're planning on acting on someone, it's not a plan to hope they have a rap sheet.  Second, you can't gripe about someone having a gun when you advocate for no restraint on the possession of arms.  There's a word for that if you do.  Intellectual rigor and consistency matters, otherwise a person is merely situational after the fact, which is a pretty poor way to conduct business as everyone is left guessing.  In the service, procedures and protocols are in place to guide and instruct, so that we can all anticipate what the other guy is going to do or has done.  Part of the crap storm we're in stems from very confused messaging on firearms.  On one hand, we're insisting we can go anywhere anytime with a loaded firearm.  On the other, police are all jumpy when someone announces they have a gun and things end up going sideways.  Our right to carry runs up against a cop's perception "Am I in danger?"  In Lafayette, IN on Dec 29, 2018 a man was on the side of the road fixing his daughter's disabled vehicle.  State trooper pulled up.  Man announced he had a firearm.  Here it get's fuzzy for a bit then the man is shot dead.  The victim had a CC permit, announced he had a gun in order to be safe, I imagine, but the trooper wasn't taking any chances and under the law declared by SCOTUS is that "split second" reaction is justified.  My point is this---It's dang hard to decide who is a good guy with a gun vs a bad guy with gun.  As long as we can open carry and loaded for bear at that, everybody's a good guy until they pull the trigger.  That's sort of a bad time to find out, hence the argument for no restraint at all on arms sort of looks like not such a hot idea.  I'll leave with this question---When is it okay to put another person under control by use of force of threatened use of force?  Of course, they're are obvious situations like someone shooting at you but should we have to wait until someone actually throws a brick at our head?

Very well said and good points

[Skillet 1,724]

48 minutes ago, Gearbox said:

 

@ Skillet  sorry if I stepped on toes, just stating my opinion.

 

Not specifically  directed at you but the community as a whole: And that we want you guys to do, but please do it in as civil a manner as possible. We understand people sometimes forget that things people write aren't always that well stated or interpreted with the intent the author meant to put across. We also understand that sarcasm is hard to convey. What we ask of you all is to refrain from getting into personnel attacks against the messenger when people disagree. It takes a few more minutes to compose something that is meaningful and contributes to the discussion, which is exactly what we want here instead of 'You're a poopy head" type posts that contribute nothing.  Plus right now at this exact point in time nationwide the last thing we need is more fragmenting among Patriots. We need to be uniting and standing shoulder to shoulder as one huge voice. Playground fights don't do that. 

 

Not everyone has a college degree and aced freshman comp, we get that. But plain language clearly stating why you as an individual disagree with a certain opinion and stating what you think without making it personal really ain't that hard.

[Skillet 1,724]

2 hours ago, Rational human being said:

You might want to check out the ACLU if you think rights should be have no limits.

 

I disagree with that. The ACLU is not exactly the bastion of rights, rather it picks and chooses which rights it wants to defend. They also consistently fail to recognize with rights come responsibilities (something you alluded to). 

 

There is a fundamental truth: One's rights stops where an other's begin.  BUT to infringe upon any one's right when no crime or denial of right of another has been committed is the ultimate infringement.  

[MarcS 229]

30 minutes ago, Rational human being said:

"They are saying the guy was a felon...."  Who?  Knowledge after the fact is not viable legal defense.  If you're planning on acting on someone, it's not a plan to hope they have a rap sheet.  Second, you can't gripe about someone having a gun when you advocate for no restraint on the possession of arms.  There's a word for that if you do.  Intellectual rigor and consistency matters, otherwise a person is merely situational after the fact, which is a pretty poor way to conduct business as everyone is left guessing.  In the service, procedures and protocols are in place to guide and instruct, so that we can all anticipate what the other guy is going to do or has done.  Part of the crap storm we're in stems from very confused messaging on firearms.  On one hand, we're insisting we can go anywhere anytime with a loaded firearm.  On the other, police are all jumpy when someone announces they have a gun and things end up going sideways.  Our right to carry runs up against a cop's perception "Am I in danger?"  In Lafayette, IN on Dec 29, 2018 a man was on the side of the road fixing his daughter's disabled vehicle.  State trooper pulled up.  Man announced he had a firearm.  Here it get's fuzzy for a bit then the man is shot dead.  The victim had a CC permit, announced he had a gun in order to be safe, I imagine, but the trooper wasn't taking any chances and under the law declared by SCOTUS is that "split second" reaction is justified.  My point is this---It's dang hard to decide who is a good guy with a gun vs a bad guy with gun.  As long as we can open carry and loaded for bear at that, everybody's a good guy until they pull the trigger.  That's sort of a bad time to find out, hence the argument for no restraint at all on arms sort of looks like not such a hot idea.  I'll leave with this question---When is it okay to put another person under control by use of force of threatened use of force?  Of course, they're are obvious situations like someone shooting at you but should we have to wait until someone actually throws a brick at our head?

Your arguments are not on point. They deal with completely different situations and unrelated hypothetcials. Instead of looking at the actual video and stills, you are dredging up custom tailored unrelated arguments. He *was* threatened, he *was* actually physically assaulted (as it turns out, not surprisingly by felons), he *did* exercise restraint (he held fire repeatedly, which is why the guy with the handgun tried a 2nd time to shoot him), and he *tried* more than once to get away. He was forced to defend himself. All the rest is BS. There is no argument for "no restraint at all on arms", there is no need for such. It is a constitutionally protected right. The only way to change that, legally, is to amend the constitution. Yet we *never* hear folks advocating for that, only for "common sense" unconstitutional laws. As for referencing laws created by SCOTUS, yeah they are all fucked up and a perfect example of why they should not be making case law to create a  work around to the constitution.  Remember at one time SCOTUS said the 2nd only protected the right to keep and bear military weapons, but now has done a 180 and is saying no, it only covers non-military weapons. Fact is it does not refer to any kinds of weapons. It postulates that because of a need for a militia, citizens should have the right to keep and bear arms. Period. Full stop. Any attempt, outside of maybe saying it limits arms to what can be carried on your person (bear), to say it limits the right to only certain kinds of weapons is simply making up laws extra-constitutionally. Not sure why, but at the end there, you are actually arguing for him showing less restraint and shooting sooner than he did. He actually waited until they did throw something (maybe a brick in fact) at him, until after a shot was fired while he was trying to escape someone who then tried to take his gun from him, until after they did strike him, after they did kick him, after they did club him with a skateboard and again try to take his gun. In each case he showed restraint and held fire as long as he could, in some cases until it was almost too late (the guy at the end with the handgun may actually have gotten a shot off and definitely was only an inch or so from drawing a bead on his head). And based on all this you are arguing not to go armed?  Information garnered after the fact is not being offered to justify his shooting, there is no need to justify that other than to share the video evidence. It is being shared to exemplify why there is a real need to go armed. And it's doing a damned good job. 

Edited August 29 by MarcS

[Gearbox 457]

12 minutes ago, Skillet said:

 

"You're a poopy head"

You made me lol.

 

Most if you know my style and if you don't you will. I won't attack someone to say as you described, I will conversate and opinionate and bring facts Into it.

 

We all have one mission. That's to protect our rights. Yes I know everyone looks at it from their point of view and alot of you I bet was like who the hell is this guy. As you seen me post more and more and putting in my opinion, alot if you accepted me for me. Which is what we all should do until we can deem ok this person is a bad egg and here to undermine what we are trying to do.

 

I have alot of respect for majority of you here and on the website.  I also know alot if you have respect for me and what I am trying to do. Humbling yes, as respect for a person is earned NOT given. Yes there is different levels of respect but the one that counts most is how you present yourself and that's what matters most to me.

 

You are entitled to your beliefs and ways of how you think your life should be.

 

This is the goal of A41. To bring together all our differences, blend it together and make one hell of a movement forward on restoring this tyranny we live in now.

 

There is no room for, let's whip it out and measure debates.

Edited August 29 by Gearbox

[NebUS75 135]

On 8/27/2020 at 8:34 PM, Fire[email protected] said:

Left handed backwards is still an option 😆. On a serious note, when will this scumbag get arrested for assault and battery on Kyle?

Seriously?   He will be portrayed as a “hero” trying to stop the evil white supremist/terrorist who interfered with the antifa/blm peaceful protest. You can only imagine what’s going to happen Kyle if the democrats win in November. He will most probably get federal charges with a long sentence. So sad

[NebUS75 135]

1 minute ago, comja said:

They are state charges, not federal.

Did you even fully read what I wrote?  I think not. 

[Gearbox 457]

25 minutes ago, NebUS75 said:

Seriously?   He will be portrayed as a “hero” trying to stop the evil white supremist/terrorist who interfered with the antifa/blm peaceful protest. You can only imagine what’s going to happen Kyle if the democrats win in November. He will most probably get federal charges with a long sentence. So sad

Trump wins, Dems will do ten fold worse than what they are doing now and it'll get worse before the elections. Dems win they will do the same stuff and basically enslave the population to their will or worse.

 

Double edged sword.

 

That's where "we the people" step in and say that's enough. Though I think we should be doing that already. I know a handful of people who would drop their life to help with me on this but we need masses not handfuls.

 

Far as Kyle goes, if his charges are dropped. Uprising, if he's charged , fuel for the Dems to push their evil ways about no more guns.

 

Again a double edged sword.

 

What needs to be done is militias in their counties need to talk to the local officials (if not already corrupted) and get approval to defend, subdue rioters, enemies of the state, and to use force when deemed necessary without repercussions. I don't mean whip out your gun and level the playing field. Be smart about it, kind yet stern. Maybe it's just a pipe dream and is also just ideas as they can label all these groups paramilitary and stop us cold in our tracks. Another catch 22, Sad but true.

 

Hence why we all sit here and think box what we need to do, as this isn't gonna go away. Cold civil war has been here for awhile now. So how long do we let the government control us, when it's us who is suppose to control them?

 

Food for thought!

 

 

Edited August 29 by Gearbox

[Swifteagle 1]

Taking wagers here:

 

What are the chances that arm is still  attached?

[Gearbox 457]

5 minutes ago, Swifteagle said:

Taking wagers here:

 

What are the chances that arm is still  attached?

I was wondering that myself, they they could take skin from other parts to fix that aspect but that muscle is what has me thinking it's gonna be a stump no longer a arm

[no one 178]

17 hours ago, chris rushing said:

I WILL BE WEARING THE CAMPBELL CLAN KILT IN CARSON CITY,08/30 /2020,along with my sks and s&w 9mm.Time to fight,brothers

Also Campbell Clan here and wear something with our Tartan daily.

[Guest Highlander 401]

This video is probably the best recap I’ve seen so far. Still don’t know who fired the first shot but it does clarify how it started which has to make you sympathize with Kyle’s plight given it appears he was there with good intentions and acting on them.
 

https://youtu.be/ts43EskooaA

 

[MarcS 229]

So, much of the argument of the left with regards to Kyle, have been blown out of the water. He did not travel to Kenosha to be part of a militia or protective detail. He was already there working as a lifeguard. The gun he had was not illegally transported across state lines. It wasn't transported across state lines at all. He was not looking to shoot some bad guys. After putting in a day as a lifeguard he and a friend went and volunteered to help clean up some of the graffiti at a local school. Later, they heard about a call from a business owner asking for help protecting what was left of his car dealership and they volunteered to do some guard duty. Later he was out trying to offer first aid after things had seemingly calmed down. That's how he got caught out there by himself. He's just a decent kid trying to help. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

[Guest Highlander 401]

5 hours ago, Swifteagle said:

Taking wagers here:

 

What are the chances that arm is still  attached?

Not Very good ✂️
 

 

[Skillet 1,724]

5 hours ago, Swifteagle said:

Taking wagers here:

 

What are the chances that arm is still  attached?

 

There's a tweet going around showing they were able to save his arm but he's gonna be like Bob Dole, it'll be useless from the elbow down.

[Guest Highlander 401]

Amazed looking at the wound.

 

Its good to live in America...

Edited August 30 by Highlander 401

[Guest Hill Amplification]

Here's a strange twist to the story. Sound legit. Looks like their trying to put a hit on Kyle while he's in lockdown. Whaddya think?

 

[Guest Hill Amplification]

I hope his arm goes septic. 

[Gearbox 457]

3 minutes ago, Hill Amplification said:

Here's a strange twist to the story. Sound legit. Looks like their trying to put a hit on Kyle while he's in lockdown. Whaddya think?

 

Almost sounds like not only a hit on Kenosha Kid but also that the dems are building a army from the prisons? 

[Guest Hill Amplification]

Yep.