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Just a side note of interest.   A dear friend of mine who lives in Charlotte NC is a bit late coming into the concern factor.  She applied for her carry permit and will be waiting until January.

Her husband (British citizenship) has always been anti-firearms.  OK, he's a Brit, that anti sentiment is understandable but even he has applied. 

Asked her if they already have a firearm in the house for protection (less than 3 miles from downtown Charlotte), she said no.  

From Indiana, all I can and will do is pray for her families safety during the next few months because I don't think the civility is coming back and if the USA goes through more SARS-CoV2 shutdowns, yeah....civility will become a word from the past.   Riots is one thing but short supply and access to food and water, yeah, that always brings out the best in people.   NOT!!

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Unfortunately I think we've passed the point of civility. The radical left has been activated and I don't think they will ever "calm down" or be civil. They are cultural marxists that hate us and everything America stands for and was built upon. Nothing short of tearing the country down would satisfy them; with that being the case, I and other likeminded patriots cannot reconcile, "find common ground", or bargain with them. They are antithetical to my faith, my morals, and my beliefs. 

 

In my opinion, Trump won the election. Whether or not he can protect it legally will remain to be seen. If he succeeds, they will riot. If he fails, they will continue to further their cause and dismantle our country. In neither scenario do they stop I'm sorry to say. I just think it's time we cut the BS and just start being real with eachother.

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Communism is indefensible. Touting China and Cuba especially as examples of "excellent jobs" is completely off-base. What good is a consistent standard of living if the standard is extremely low at best or oppressive on average?

I grew up in Florida and was surrounded by plenty of Cubans. Their stories were all the same. They risked death just to get to this country, the true political and ideological refugees. They would much rather risk shark infested ocean, deadly sun-exposure, and dehydration on a makeshift raft than stay in Cuba. A woman once walked through a mine field just to reach Guantanamo bay because she wanted to get to the American soldiers there knowing they would help her. Think about that. Guantanamo bay with mines between it and her, and that was more preferable than staying in communist Cuba. 

 

We should be ashamed as a nation if we ever let these people down by ever allowing communism or socialism to come to America. Cubans, survivors of east bloc Germany, the USSR, Pol Pot's Cambodia. Communism is responsible for the highest level of human death and suffering. No socialism isn't any better, case and point Venezuela or any of the other Banana Republics. There is no such thing as Communism or Socialism "done right", I'm sorry. 

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10 minutes ago, doctor said:

Actually, I do dissent - I am very well versed in Marx & Engels.  If they or our forefathers witnessed this nightmare, I do not feel any would be pleased.  Socialism must be implemented properly.  It cannot be applied to a failing system.  China is doing an excellent job actually; per Das Kapitol, communism is a transcendence and equalization of all people.  Therefore, there must be a strong market, yielding a standard of living that people will continue to strive for, despite possible inequities in education or jobs (which subjective).  Review Sweden as well.  Cuba is another example - there is a consistent standard of living.  Do we need brand new BMWs?  No.  Do we need Louboutin shoes?  No.  We need survival and egalitarianism.  Our country, the left, is using socialism inappropriately.  It cannot be applied to a failing system - it counters the basic tenants of communism.  

 

I agree in general, but I must defend the attack on communism.  I feel it is unjust, given that it is not being following properly.  If something is fiscally failing, it cannot sustain a consistent and acceptable baseline for all people.  I first-hand witnessed the degradation of healthcare when it was socialized.  We lost doctors.  We lost autonomy.  Money is going ot elective procedures for instance, whilst I fought for MRIs with patients that had cancer.  Socialism is not a cure.  Socialism is a transcendence.  It is not an option in our nation.

 

Communism cannot thrive with dissent. That is why all dissenters, no matter how mild, disappear under a communist system. This practice has begun here digitally. Those who dissent loudly enough, disappear from the air. It does not matter if it is social media, radio, newspaper or television. In communist China, if an actor speaks out against the party, they are banned from presentation in China. Even our own media shows this. Here in this country, the same thing is happening. Actors like Kevin Sorbo, Dean Cain and Kirstey Alley are no longer welcome in movies. 

China is NOT doing good. When Trump slowed the money coming from America and going into China, their economy began to dip. Communism never provides excellence because their is no reason to work for it. Think about this: our GNP is higher than China's, they have 5 times our population and WE EXPORT $127 billion to them in trade. If we stopped buying Chinese, their entire government would collapse in 5 years. 

The idea of communism does work on very small scales. Communes all over the world prove this. Just look to the Amish. Communism has NEVER worked for countries, however. This is because the one trait needed to create and excel is pride. Pride in country, pride in God, pride in family and pride in self are essential to ideas of exceptionalism and without them, people will just survive until they die out. Nobody is fleeing Florida in a rowboat for Cuba (YET).

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3 hours ago, doctor said:

Communism can work

 

I'll argue against that statement simply because of human nature. Maybe in a utopian civilization where everyone is willing to contribute selflessly. But in reality human nature is going to create people that are lazy, selfish, power hungry, and posses all of the other character flaws that doom communism to devolve into what the past has shown us. It also removes any positive incentive to excel without coercion (usually by force or threat). What you get is people doing the bare minimum to get by, because in reality equality of outcome and equality of opportunity are two vastly different things that cannot coexist within the same system.  

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You have to break down exactly what they're saying. For example, they actually shoot themselves in the foot as soon as they mention equality of people. The only two times.that all people are physically equal is at birth, and death, no other time. Everyone is different. Now if they want to push equal opportunity, without interference, that's another thing.

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10 minutes ago, Todd A. Slee said:

You have to break down exactly what they're saying. For example, they actually shoot themselves in the foot as soon as they mention equality of people. The only two times.that all people are physically equal is at birth, and death, no other time. Everyone is different. Now if they want to push equal opportunity, without interference, that's another thing.

 

Exactly; no man can guarantee true equality (e.g. equal outcome), the best we can do as a people is create a construct that allows for equal opportunity like you said. That's always been the core of conservatism, hard work and personal responsibility. You put the work in and you should reap the success. You can't guarantee success for everyone.

When there are those who truly cannot help themselves, that is where charity comes in. That said, I trust myself to be charitable more than I trust the government to handle charity for me.

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