Cb85

10 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

A small group can pick and chose its engagements.  And then fade into the woods.

And just cuz something isn't good for propaganda don't mean they won't do it. 

If that was the case the nazis wouldn't have killed millions nor would have Hillary deleted thousands of emails.  

Also the serous groups arnt pissing around on fb. If they are they are screwed when the stuff comes our way. Our government will just track them down and end them.

the serous guys are using tails and a vpn to coordinate stuff. 

 

 

 

Also why d you automatically assume there are 200 against you.  The purpose on the militia initially will be to hit small targets and then fade. This forces the enemy to have to spread out its forces being they never know where they might get hit. 

There re are room for both ideals.  But there is no Good reason to have centralized leadership in a state where under 100 militia members are active and none of them know each other well enough to know weather the other groups are trust worthy. Maybe in your state you have sufficient numbers to justify that. But not here.

23 minutes ago, Rascaldees said:

It's not easier with a small group of five to fend off a mob of two hundred people. Sure, you can inflict casualties and make them regret their decision but your enemy WILL win and you will all be dead.

 

Furthermore, tyranny does not mean cruel. It has been proven many times that torture is ineffective and takes long than building rapport which also usually gives more truthful information. 

 

Also having better OPSEC doesn't come from having a smaller group. Almost every militia posts what they're doing on Facebook which in turn negates any OPSEC they might have had in the first place.

 

Small groups have their place; working with bigger groups because they are much harder to find. Also kidnapping a person's family takes resources and time and is terrible for propaganda. It's easier to just wait until they're alone then take them out with a sniper or drone strike. Or even a hit team if we want a more direct route. Collateral damage helps exactly no governments. 

 

And I personally don't give a damn how smart anyone is. A genius can be wrong, even experts make mistakes and everyone should experience failure. It makes us human. I do, however, have eyes and if small teams were what won wars then Iraq would have beaten the piss out of the US, Nazi Germany would have won WWII and Russia would be child's play for any nation.

 

When you have four riflemen against twelve and your four are extremely more skilled they will still die. Because twelve riflemen put out more suppressive fire than four. They'll just pin you down and kill you anyways.

 

Additionally, almost everyone I talk to thinks militia are hiding in the woods LARPing and jacking themselves off to gun magazines while whispering about communists being everywhere. They are not wrong and it's thinking like that which makes them exactly right. In turn? It means we are losing the propaganda war and until we see that we are doomed to fail. 

 

No one likes politics but a united front wins those too. More people agreeing with you means more people are inclined to listen.

A small group can pick and chose its engagements.  And then fade into the woods.

And just cuz something isn't good for propaganda don't mean they won't do it. 

If that was the case the nazis wouldn't have killed millions nor would have Hillary deleted thousands of emails.  

Also the serous groups arnt pissing around on fb. If they are they are screwed when the stuff comes our way. Our government will just track them down and end them.

the serous guys are using tails and a vpn to coordinate stuff. 

33 minutes ago, Rascaldees said:

Why is group A's family involved at all? Kind of a conflict of interest there. It's why the military doesn't put families in the same unit. 

 

And when group A sees a different uniform they don't recognize and ambush group B and wipe them out I guess that's just an "oopsie poopsie" for them.

 

Or when two groups attack the same target location and in the midst of chaos don't realize the other is present and accidentally bomb them into meat chunks that'll just be another oopsie.

 

Or during peace when it is time to make people know who we are so that civilians don't fear us and instead HELP us it might be useful to coordinate together instead of fifty small missions into a single swift and decisive one.

 

 

There are cons to unity. They are outweighed by the pros. Otherwise it'll be best for everyone to not have uniforms or teams and just shoot with a blindfold.

Group group A family isn't involved they are at home and completely against the militia or neutral. It won't matter they'll still come after them cuz they are tyrannical. 

Its easier to protect your family in a small group alone. And to have better opsec if you keep it small and no centralized leadership.   We don't have encrypted channels like the US military does.  

And if everyone agreed with you you'd have more centralized leadership. Which proves my point.  

Unless that fact only proves in your eyes why your so much smarter than everyone else. 

In which case all the more argument in my opinion why leaderless is better.

8 minutes ago, ROFCB Commander said:

Then the rank/structure isn't the problem, but the pigheaded jackasses are.  🙂

But yes--rank structure that simply strokes the ego misses the point entirely. Some form of command structure is needed to allow the imposition of order, particularly on the battlefield. Also, it allows for the proper flow of information and duty assignments. It doesn't have to be "rank", so to speak--in fact, I tend to lean away from rank as it's applied in the Military--but there has to be some "control" function in order for the system to maintain discipline (in terms of workflow, not "punishment") and the ability to move the unit from command to ground.

Absolutely!!!

1 minute ago, Rascaldees said:

Oh and try coordinating two groups with different training standards and equipment. Then try coordinating fifty so you don't end up with blue on blue fire or engaging a friendly unit because their uniforms are different. 

We aren't going to fighting the US army head on that be stupid. You can't win fighting head on.  All we would be doing is small unit tactics picking them off and being a thorn. At least till enough ppl see the tyranny and join up.  It would be a long process before groups would join up together. 

The initail logistics would just be too much for large groups.  

1 minute ago, Rascaldees said:

If proper checks and balances are made within the group rather than a popularity contest that won't happen. 

 

And no you won't. The yokels hiding in the woods LARPing have no reputation. 

That's easy to say but when group A is infiltrated and all their family is in a cage being tortured for info. Then you'll be glad group B wasn't intricately involved with group A.

1 minute ago, Rascaldees said:

My point exactly. I've been trying to unite the SC militias for a long while now. No one wants to give up power except me it seems. Granted, I had some terms to uniting with the group I joined my guys up with and we will leave if things aren't being done properly but nevertheless we made the effort. 

 

Unite your states gents. We must have fifty banners, not five hundred. 

There is some benefit to not having centralized leadership if one group is compromised or infiltrated by the tyrants than the whole structure won't be taken out.  If it comes to armed conflict then you'll know who to trust by their reputation.

Sounds good. I think all militias should be 1/3 military training 1/3 other training, such as what is constitutional, establish sop's medical, ect.

and 1/3 fun fellowship. So every one trusts each other enough to maintain cohesion.

Luca  was with the second amendment collation 

Yeah not there financially yet.

our old vehicles are next on the list. Then we plan on moving up nort.  Or at least having a place to retreat to.

Well I still rent the (right to own it) from the government.  But yeah other than that I own it.

Correction I talked to a Lucas 

3 minutes ago, J Morris said:

Our house get's paid off Next Month.  New Car / Jeep time.  8-)

That is super exciting!!!

there is nothing as empowering knowing the bank can't take your home!!!

Ok. I talked to a Lucas guy that trains in that area. He said he'd keep me informed when the group gets together. 

I hope your in that group. You sound like a good guy. 

I also talked to a newbie like me maybe 5 miles form Wausau. We plan to meet next week. We both want to be in a good responsible group. 

I know some mostly from reading  a little from actual practice. We spent most of the last 6 years paying off the house. So now we are in a position to get involved 

Maybe. But then again it's hard to form groups that way   And hard to get more ppl on board. We need more than just trigger pullers we need folks that are good with drones coms guys can use older guys that can't fight but could hunt to provide food for the group. Need a safe place for family to go (safe houses)  They are sure to use your family against ya.  It's more than just trigger time at a range.

Sounds bout rite. Makes it a little bit harder to find existing groups. 

We need to help educate ppl on what we are. Be honest with ppl without being obnoxious or over the top. We can't expect ppl to be swarming to join up if all they know of the militia is from public schools and main media. It's gonna take time. And take integrity. Ppl didn't follow George Washington cuz he got drunk and did stupid shit.  We need a high standard so that we appear the righteous freedom protectors we are. 

We also need a strong understanding of the constitution so that ppl feel we are knowledgeable enough to follow.

No centralized leadership in wi that I know of

Yep I experienced that too

Same here. My wife gets what's coming but not ready for off grid living. The kids don't get a say lol all under six years.    

We get to antigo once in a while while. Maybe we could meet up. 

I haven't been to a training session yet waiting on Lucas to give me when and where.  But at least we'd know each other's faces. 

I'd rather retreat, or melt into the woods to fight another day. 

Good reason to meet up with others like us. Can do more when working together to secure our freedom 

I still make some arguments with ppl that are conservative. But in great moderation. I tell ppl that what you see in Seattle is coming to a town near you  that it's what the far left wants.  A few have woke up. But I agree. It's time to be preparing for the worst. I think of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.  How much is sufferable?  

Most constervitives agree  if they try to confiscate semi autos they have declared war on the people. Only despots want our weapons... them and the ignorant.  I won't go into the semi trailer willingly.

It sure is. I don't need to know what everyone is eating every night. Nor do I want to get involved in the outrage culture.  Fb is the last place to try and change ppls minds.

Ok. I'm not a member on FB cuz I'm not on crap book.

There is a group that meets in Wausau, the Wisconsin second amendment coalition has a fb page that can help you out they are based in gb/ Appleton area.

Can't build their communist dream empire till they convince the people that their system doesn't work. That's why they deliberately let things go to hell. It's intentional to convince the average American hey what you have don't work. Might as well try what we are offering.