coffeebear

6 hours ago, MiguelCepeda said:

"Enemy" has a specific legal definition.

 

For those curious.

This means that an elected official acting against the United States, in violation of their oath of office, and with intent to deprive citizens of their rights, is an enemy - according to their own definition.  Incidentally, it would make people like George Soros an "enemy" as well - and since the definition includes corporations, let's not forget to include Google, Facebook, and Twitter.  Yes, BLM is a legal entity (501c3), but at this point, the term "useful idiots" applies more to them, I believe.

The overwhelming push to remain devoutly loyal to a government and/or its elected and appointed officials while at the same time openly admitting that the same government (and/or its elected and appointed officials) have crossed the line into open tyranny and oppression of the citizenry is why I believe you (not we - I joined this website to test the waters, and I do not believe militias, as people on this website address them, are going to be a viable solution when push comes to shove) have already lost.  It's why I wouldn't be surprised to learn that various individuals in leadership roles here would be happy to rat out people they deem to be a Red Flag threat.  It's why I'm disinclined to throw my hat in with a militia here, when I doubt their convictions, their loyalties, and their trustworthiness.

Part of this is a personal failing of my own, in that I am admittedly incredibly cynical and I do not trust others easily.  Part of this is what I've seen in my short time here, and why I'm currently weighing the pros and cons of simply deleting my account and moving on.  I keep hoping someone will change my mind.

3 hours ago, Headhunter said:

Coffeebear, you are full of language which I've heard all of my life ... from the Left. 

Son, if you think I've ever voted for a Democrat, you're not listening to what I've said.

31 minutes ago, O sleeper said:

I agree with you. The Constitution by itself is a piece of paper with writing on it... my loyalty does not belong to the government, which you claimed we all supported.

Generalization.  I don't intend to make a list of every person on this site and rate them on how beholden they are to their particular state government and how much fealty they have towards the federal government.

33 minutes ago, O sleeper said:

If you are so confident that only a few people understand the foundation the Constitution was built on, why don't you try to enlighten everyone else?

See the recommended authors that you included when you quoted me.

35 minutes ago, O sleeper said:

... when the really bad things start happening, you are going to hide away somewhere with your wife like a coward. How much do you really care? I'd like to know.

I also stated that I don't feel I could rely on most people here - so what would you have me do instead?  Roll in solo?  I'm not Rambo, and this isn't a movie.  The usual hierarchy is God, family, country, yes?  Again, I'm unable to restore the country by myself, and it would be foolish to try.  My next duties are to my family, which... being dead makes it difficult to meet those responsibilities. 

As for how much I really care, I doubt there's anything I could say that would have much meaning to you, so... believe what you want.

For what it's worth, most people here seem to be reactionary... when the government becomes tyrannical, then they'll stand up to fight it.  Spoiler Alert - it's already tyrannical.  Rioters are given police and government protection, and people defending themselves against said rioters are being thrown in jail.  Riots with throngs of people in close proximity are fine - going to church in violation of various executive orders gets you thrown in jail.  Rioters can tear down your private property, and if you stand in your own doorway with a firearm as a show of force to deter further violence against your family or your property (sounds like what the police are doing at these riots... sounds like what the rioters are doing at these riots... sounds like what the CHAZ/CHOP kids were doing in their LARP game)... that's right... you face prosecution and potential jail.

So... go ahead - be reactionary.  Just don't be surprised when you finally realize that you've already lost.

The country and the Constitution are arbitrary creations with no significance other than what people give them.  The underlying foundation of both is the more valuable knowledge.

I'd recommend reading some Thomas Paine, some Machiavelli, Thomas Hobbs, John Locke... don't rest your laurels on the conclusions the Founding Fathers established... seek to understand what they understood in terms of rights, privileges, freedoms, and entitlements.

Why does the Constitution hold such high regard with any who call themselves "patriot"?  I'm fairly confident saying that an anorexic minority of you people understand the foundation upon which the constitution (little "c") was built.

I've been quiet for a few days.. a lot on my plate as we prep to move out of a shitty blue state (WA), but....

The notion that one's right to resist an evil dictatorship stops at a state boundary?  The notion that a corrupt federal government will some day call on you people to resist - with force - a corrupt government?  The notion that you have to wait for King George III's permission to rebel against his tyranny?  The groups formed on this website are impotent by definition.  I see I was correct in not throwing my hat in with you lot... when SHTF, you'll find me in a log or stone cabin with my wife, biding our time until the absolute hell is over.  I'm not sure I can trust anyone here, especially when your loyalties lie with the corrupt governments you claim to serve.

23 minutes ago, MBR said:

Militias must be very careful should they choose to become a 501c3, should the IRS decide a Militia supports or promotes a political cause, game over, they will yank the non-profit status of that Militia.

I hadn't considered that angle, but if that's the case, I wonder how BLM still has their non-profit status.  Oh wait, that's right... the sitting government is the enemy of the people.

I suppose I should have been more general, rather than identifying a 501c3 specifically.  I believe my point still stands... a militia that wants funding needs to have some way for people to channel funds to it.

1 hour ago, Spin_Doctor said:

This is where I was going with being organized. Have a roadmap and plan.

This is the "scrap of paper" I was talking about.

Re: funding?  This is why I suggested that militias in a state work together to form a 501c3 Nonprofit Organization (hey, there's that word again) and start collecting donations through them to get some funding.  With funding, they'd be able to rent a charter bus or whatever, buy food, and head out to the next Stone Mountain.  The problem isn't a lack of a scrap of paper with "a plan" on it... it's funding... because again, how many of you are independently wealthy and can afford to take a weekend trip out to wherever? A whole week?  And take 30-40 people with them?  Portland's been under siege for 48 days, now - and the rioters don't have to work because they have outside funding.

9 hours ago, Spin_Doctor said:

9 hours ago, coffeebear said:

What do you mean by "be more organized"?  Be specific... I'm trying to understand your point before I respond.

My point is the left has planners and strategists, the boots on the ground rioting and destroying aren't the planners, they're puppets.

Be. Specific.

Because at present, it sounds like you just want a scrap of paper with "Timmy says he can do this" and "Becky says she can do that".

And that's all well and good if people are 100% honest and totally unbiased in their own reviews of their own abilities, and are so skilled as to be beyond the capacity for improvement that could be obtained by training with and conversing with others.  Hint: Nobody is so spectacular that they can't learn something - and furthermore, even if they are, we all stand to learn a great deal from them, which is invaluable in the event that this ultramegasupersonic individual is somehow lost in combat, or to a common stroke or heart attack.

That's all well and good, but it's literally worth the paper it's written on - nothing.  How about, for the purposes of being specific about "organizing", you explain how you think the logistics of supplying food to your militia is going to work, if things turn ugly?  What do you really think is going to happen?  A bunch of patriots get finished with a firefight at the next monument/riot/"protest" faceoff, and they all go to Wendy's afterwards?

What about ammunition?  Medical supplies?  Intelligence on the enemy's activities?

And furthermore, who are the enemies?  Just BLM/Antifa?  What happens when the corrupt officeholders that are actively trying to destroy America call out the National Guard?  What kind of organizational skills do we need to combat their infrared and nightvision rifle scopes?  Does everyone in your militia have equivalent equipment?

"Organization."  You keep using that word.  I don't think it means what you think it means.

16 minutes ago, Spin_Doctor said:

... I think as a whole [militias] could be more organized. Organizing doesn't cost money, it takes planning. Anyone who joined a militia no doubt doesn't want to sit on the sidelines and do nothing, something brought them here.

What do you mean by "be more organized"?  Be specific... I'm trying to understand your point before I respond.

18 minutes ago, Spin_Doctor said:

The left only understands violence and intimidation, overall they are a stupid group of brainwashed zombies. I know we are vastly superior as a group to these very sick mentally deranged thugs.

Look at their success in organizing protests and riots.  Look at their success at manipulating public opinion.  Look at their success at getting their candidates elected, and enacting legislation favorable to their goals.  To dismiss them like this is to underestimate them to the point where they have already won the fight.  To assume we're superior, just because we think our cause is just, or because we think christians will always prevail because God, or because we're somehow "better" than they are, is horribly, dangerously egotistical.

The reason they're mobilizing so many people isn't because they're motivated by their cause... it's because they're being paid.  The DNC, George Soros's foundations, and probably 2 or 3 other organizations, at least, are providing the funding for buses to get these people to the riots, or in this case, to Stone Mountain... they're likely providing the equipment and gear these guys are using, also.  Someone in the thread mentioned that, constitutionally speaking, it's Congress's responsibility to organize, equipping, and controlling the militia.  Let's be clear... BLM has funding from billionaires - you don't.

Blaming "leadership" or blaming guys who just want to "sit on the couch, drink beer, and watch TV" or blaming "someone else's shortcoming" whatever that may be... isn't addressing the problem - nor does it offer actionable solutions.

My suggestion is for one group in each state (possibly 2 groups in larger states like Texas, or one group for small states like Rhode Island/Delaware, etc.) to set up 501c3 nonprofits and start mimicking BLM - they obviously have a model that's working.  Sitting here pointing fingers... well... that hasn't really gotten you guys anywhere, has it?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that most people here A) can't afford to take the time off from work, and/or their job won't give them the time off needed, and B) can't afford equipment, transportation, food, and lodging costs associated with something like the Stone Mountain protest.

And to pre-empt the accusatory "why don't you lead, then?" thoughts I'm sure my comments are going to generate - I'm in the process of packing up my house, working, and looking for work elsewhere in the country, because I feel a burning need to get out of a blue state as quickly as possible.  My plate's full, at the moment. 

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Edit to add: Obviously once the 501c3 is setup, volunteers are going to be needed to head out and set up booths and talk to the population.  Recruit, yes, but asking for donations to support their groups isn't out of the question, either.  Documented, legitimate organizations (like 501c3s) are generally viewed with more credibility than a bunch of guys who just show up at someone's property one weekend to drill and train.  The Lion's Club sets up booths to sell cherries and fruit towards the end of summer and the fall... multiple groups set up booths to sell fireworks for July 4th (where legal, obviously).  There are ways to generate funds to assist people in organizing the same way as our enemies.  We shouldn't be afraid of adopting some of their tactics, just because we disagree with their ideologies.