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  1. Few people debate with calmness and orderly thoughts...and most skip over things without leaving a comment. Kudos to your patience here. When looking into the "Christian Identity" on wiki, there is a broad variety of good, bad, and ugly...and you acknowledged that and explained where the variations come from. I would be interested in talking about these points you mention, and I highlighted them in blue... I am curious as to the claim that Adam was not the first man. Let me jump back to Genesis 2 (NIV)... 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.)13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. The above account would indicate there is no plants, no rain, and no one to work the soil prior to the man He made and put in Eden. Not much there for anyone to live off of the land, and the animals and birds didn't get created until after Adam (Hebrew for man or the man) was made. And now a trip a little farther down in Genesis 2... 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. And the above would indicate no "helper" around for him. No females around makes it hard for any other person to exist prior to Adam and Eve. Then a little farther down in Genesis 3:20... 20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. And now we have it established that Eve is the mother of the rest of the human race. Anyone thinking prior human existence would have to find some other mother. And the Apostle Paul has some more information for us... Romans 5:12-17 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come. 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! And then a short jog to 1 Corinthians 15:42-49 for more from Paul... 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man. Paul says sin entered through one man (Adam, as it is well known and documented in Genesis) and then there was death. If death started with Adam, then anyone prior to that would have to be eternal existence (never dying) with no decay in their living bodies. Paul also makes it clear that the living body came first, the first living body made of the dust: Adam. In light of what God's Word has clearly indicated, we have no humans prior to Adam. No natural bodied, living people that could possibly have been born from a mother nor conceived from any other father.
  2. I really hate to see responses worded like this. The "pace of change" is what bugs me the most...if this "change" is communism, then they aren't going to like what they get in the end nor the process right before that would occur. I wonder how many of these protesters were paid for their acts?
  3. My post was basically a question if you were covering the whole wiki article on "Christian Identity." Your reply answered my question...thanks!
  4. Those symbols of the Confederacy stand in tribute to a republic with unpopular opinions carried by a minority of its people. Too bad those protesters cannot understand the history that they destroy represented the voices of a minority defiant to a majority.
  5. There is a tremendous amount of info in the top wiki link, and I am unsure if we are talking about all of this being involved here where you are referring to in the use of "Identity" where I highlighted it in red. Are we talking about all of the stuff in the wiki article rolled into one train of thought, or is this a specific portion of it?
  6. I would be a bit put back by it. Anyone claiming Adam fathered only the white race would be a bit off the center mark, and it would make for some interesting conversation. In all honesty, I have not put a lot of thought or research into that group.
  7. There are two levels of marshal law...federal and state. The application of marshal law is quite risky and a gamble from a patriot's view, as many evildoers would like to see marshal law happen for bad reasons. A little trip over to the history side of things...remember the Second Amendment says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The word security is used nowhere else in the Constitution, and thus directly links security with a free State. The citizens of the state were responsible for that security...not the military or a para-military force. Another fact...getting a suspension of your habeas corpus during marshal law is never, ever a good thing.
  8. It is going to be at least a three way front for the Europeans... They will be outbred about 8 to 1....ultimately ending up as a small minority. They will be outvoted in elections....more leadership roles won't be Europeans. They will lose their cultural identity...military/police balance will shift, and the landmarks/history will be erased.
  9. TSA gets really pissed, especially the air marshals, when one exercises their second amendment rights at an airport or on a plane...something about that right isn't allowed there?
  10. And the second half to my reply...What date are we talking about here...present day 2018? Or are we talking about rights sometime in the past like 2001, 1960, 1919, 1861, 1791, 1788?
  11. Interesting topic... If the title would have been worded: "What freedoms have been restricted?", we would crash the server with all the responses. Why all the responses to that and not many to what rights you have lost? Because your freedoms get restricted before the rights get lost. If one has waited until the rights are lost...you have failed to see the warning lights and sirens to protect your freedoms...and failed to be the citizen watchdog of your government.
  12. I think there is a bunch involved, but the crime goes farther up and internationally...they may not have been arrested yet pending review of some evidence recently taken by the DOJ.
  13. Throw those links out here @The Resister ...I know you have a bunch of important links to websites and their articles on the Constitution, the legal system, ways to address grievances, and perhaps ones on recognizing anti-American strategies. Links to or listings of specific books are appreciated as well.

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