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    Hello fellow patriots. My name is Rob Kluver and I am the founder of the American Militia Association, a 501(c)(3) organization with a mission of arming and training the militia. As our federal and State governments have failed in this duty, our purpose
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  1. I asked Jack to tell me who has spoken to so far and he responded: Can anyone here confirm?
  2. Actually, in most states "law enforcement" is an executive branch agency, but you are absolutely correct, murder is murder, and even a police officer can be held accountable for such a crime. A jury in our judicial system determines guilt and usually a judge will pronounce a sentence which might include death. Absent being at war, and even during war in reference to rules of engagement, the people are not to execute anyone absent due process in a civilized society. Contrary to the advertised premise of the argument made by the author, the majority of law enforcement are not different than any of us who wish to serve and protect our communities. Not every police officer fits any specific mold. We are a nation of individuals, where we cherish most precious the individual right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and we have a duty to protect those rights, not only for ourselves, but for our families, neighbors and communities (and every individual thereof).
  3. I have been contacted by a Jack Persons of "Illinois Monthly Magazine" an apparent new magazine or website wishing to write an article about Illinois militia groups. Here is a copy of the message I received: I have spoken with Jack and while I'm not 100% comfortable because the website is in a coming soon status, I told him I would do what I could to put the word out about his interest. He provided me with the following phone number and email address: 415-794-4397 and jackhpersons@gmail.com -RK / American Militia Association
  4. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
  5. So, What does one have to do to join your group??? Sarge

  6. The NRA's position statement on militias was last updated on June 7, 1995. Here is the statement from the NRA, found at https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/nra.militia.statement.html Policy Statement of the National Rifle Association on Extremist Organizations and Militia Groups June 7, 1995 Appointed by NRA President Tom Washington at the February 4-5, 1995, Board of Directors Meeting, the Special Task Force to Review Militia Policy unanimously recommended reaffirmation of NRA's pre- existing policies and position. Following its report and subsequent review by the Legislative Policy Committee on May 18, 1995 at the NRA Annual Meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, the Committee voted unanimously to recommend reaffirmation of NRA's pre-existing policies and position. Brought before the membership at the Annual Meeting of Members, with over 1,500 members assembled, the resolution to reaffirm NRA's pre-existing policy on extremist organizations adopted in 1964, and its 1994 statement on militias, was adopted. There were three dissenting votes. The Board of Directors, at their meeting on Tuesday, May 23, 1995, reaffirmed the following policy by unanimous vote: WHEREAS the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association of America gathered at its Annual Meeting on May 22-23, 1995 in Phoenix, Arizona, desires to reaffirm its policy on extremist organizations adopted in 1964, and its 1994 statement on militias, therefore; BE IT REAFFIRMED AND RESOLVED THAT: The NRA vehemently disavows any connection with, or tacit approval of, any club or individual which advocates (1) the overthrow of duly constituted government authority, (2) subversive activities directed at any government, (3) the establishment or maintenance of private armies or group violence. The NRA does not approve or support any group activities that properly belong to the national defense or the police. The NRA does not approve or support any group that by force, violence, or subversion seeks to overthrow the Government and take the law into its own hands, or that endorses or espouses doctrines of operation in an extralegal manner. The NRA stands squarely on the premise that the ownership of firearms must not be denied American citizens of good repute so long as the firearms are used for lawful purposes. The NRA has insisted, does insist, and will continue to insist on the traditional right of American citizens to own and use firearms for lawful purposes. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT: Although the NRA has not been involved in the formation of any citizen militia units, neither has the NRA discouraged, nor would NRA contemplate discouraging, exercise of any constitutional right. The NRA strongly supports the Constitution of the United States, and the Second Amendment to that document, which guarantee the right of citizens to participate in militias for proper, lawful and constitutional purposes. FURTHER, it is the NRA's view, based on law (Article I, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution; Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 311(a)), court precedents, and legal and historical interpretation, that all able-bodied persons, explicitly those between the ages of 17 and 45, are members of the Federal unorganized militia, except members of the organized state guards (for example, State Defense Forces which exist in about two dozen states), the National Guards of the various states (which also serve as a part of the National Guard of the United States, a military reserve subject to nationalization by the President of the United States), and certain government officials. An "organized citizen militia" must be created under the constitution itself and/or the laws of a state. Title 10, U.S.C., clearly affirms the existence of the citizen militia; it is little changed since the original Militia Act of 1792 (except for the addition in this century of recognition of the third type of militia, the Federally supported National Guard, in addition to the enrolled and unenrolled militia). Further, the individual right to own firearms is guaranteed by the Constitution, but the right to own firearms is not at all dependent upon the militia clause. The militia clause of the Second Amendment merely adds to the reason for the right, which is a common law right rooted in the right of protection of self, family and community. The Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to arms; participation in a citizen militia organization does not make that right more valid nor any stronger.
  7. I recently responded to another thread here in regards to being out in the open and some risks and considerations when you do so, especially on social networks and forum websites (even this one). If you just for a moment consider a potential enemy is digging into your messages and threads it can go along way to get you to think a bit about what you are posting about yourself and your group. Everything you say or do CAN be used against you. We have seen this with over two dozen people arrested for their involvement in Nevada and Oregon. The charging documents are full of references to facebook posts, youtube videos and more all acting as supporting evidence of the charges these men and women are now facing. In March of 2010 the U.S. Marshalls showed up at my home in Maryland on a civil complaint and took all of my computer equipment, paper files and more. Long story short, I operated a multitude of websites regarding Free-to-air satellite reception and was sued by Dish Network for 3.2 million dollars. The lawyers for Dish Network were able to take leave for discovery purposes and what that meant was they were able to issue a long stream of subpoenas for information from Facebook, PayPal, Google, YouTube and other online services having not only to do with my case directly but other cases as well. Most of these companies just handed over this information without any notification to me or the owners of the accounts information and details were provided for, including several hosting companies of private websites and forums. In general, the power of large corporations, the government and the courts is very extensive. If they want your information they will hunt it down and you might be complacent and totally unaware of these proceedings. I have also been in the Internet industry since the 1990s, having owned and operated an ISP that provided basic Internet access, website hosting and server co-location services. Several local police agencies, FBI the NSA and even Secret Service had on multiple occasions made formal and informal requests for client data, emails, files and other information. Many of these requests were attached with threats of legal action against my company if we did not comply or notified our clients of the request. These agencies can be very intimidating. For the most part we refused to cooperate without a court order, unless the content being provided from our client through our network involved child pornography - where we took immediate action. I know undoubtedly that other providers would simply hand over any information requested without even thinking about it out of fear of some action against them by these agencies. The bottom line of course is that you should simply think about what you post online. Would you be okay with it being published in a newspaper? Would you be okay with it being on file with your local DA or federal prosecutor? Would you be okay with it being in the hands of a potential enemy out to do you and your group harm? What you put out there can never be considered safe, no matter how private you think the communication is, including PGP encrypted messages. Even in your own groups you may have moles that report back to the agencies they are working for, although that is another subject entirely, however what you may think are private electronic communications with such persons can also be intercepted by a potential enemy. If you have no fear or care not about potential adversaries getting a hold of the information you put out there, I can appreciate that. I do respond to roll calls for some groups I am part of and other such things. I post on facebook groups about patriot issues, training, etc. and do not care that I am on some government watch list. I do not mind anyone knowing who I am, where I live and where I stand. Molon Labe! I do however respect the privacy of others in the groups I am part of and follow operational security as directed by leadership. One thing I will never do is post about any arms or ammunition I may or may not have and will not take or allow photos of me with any of them. A simple example of how that could be dangerous is in the case of the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum, where a photo was found with him having a 9mm pistol in his left pocket. Whether or not the 9mm found on him was owned by him or if it was a plant, the agents knew about it in advance of the take down operation due to that posted photograph. Be safe, and don't give away the store.
  8. Well here is another entry to help decrease everyone else's odds, including my own
  9. Hello fellow patriots, III%ers and Oathkeepers... My name is Rob Kluver, founder of the American Militia Association, PA III% Region 3 Zone 1 Leader and US Army Veteran (1992-2000). I am looking forward to our communications here and what we might be able to accomplish together on a path to secure our liberties.
  10. Folks, every one of is on some sort of government list. Our government has very large and powerful intelligence agencies who employ tens of thousands of personnel and sophisticated systems to watch for patterns between lists and investigate individuals and groups who match certain criteria which may or may not signal some threat assessment. Whether you participate in a website such as this, patriot facebook groups or even follow certain twitter hashtags, someone is watching you. Even what you may think is private activity could be monitored by these agencies. Law enforcement agencies have used such information to prosecute patriots. This however does not mean that you may not join and/or participate in any associations, clubs, organizations, fan pages or websites or speak out on any issues. You are born with a right to association with whom you choose and a right to express yourself. However, your exercise of these rights can land you in some hot water if you are not smart about how you conduct such business in the current atmosphere. It is important to understand what you say can be used against you. For instance, you should always refrain from statements which relate to or are in fact an illegal act, such as a threat against any law enforcement agency, government official, group or individual. You should also refrain from any statements in regard to what could be considered as sedition or treason against your State or the Federal Government. Do not let your anger or passion to cloud your judgement or common sense when posting. You should also be certain to refrain from providing such investigative agencies with the quantity, quality, make, model, etc of your arms or ammunition, number of persons in your group, storage locations of arms, confidential information, etc. that may be used against you. You should operate under the assumption that these agencies are doing everything they can to frame you as a criminal with criminal intent who may very well be piling up information against you to be used in court in either a criminal or secret proceeding. If the United States Government or your State government were thought of as a potential enemy in some war, hypothetically, you will want to limit the intelligence made available to your enemy. With that said, in today's America we have a sleeping population of sheep, a weak defense posture, powerful political organizations and corrupt law enforcement and government officials not to mention very smart foreign enemies and terrorist organizations. We can not bury our heads in the sand or hide our intentions to stand strong and firm for our freedom. We need to be able to communicate effectively about these threats and use our voice to wake others to their existence, to prepare ourselves for many contingencies and to associate with one another for mutual aid. I pray all of you here conduct such communication safely and look forward to engaging with you on critical issues in terms of the defense of our homeland, the defense of our liberty for ourselves and our children, and to sharpen the sword of the sovereignty of the people to stand as a ready deterrent against any foe.
  11. American Militia Association http://AmericanMilitiaAssociation.com The American Militia Association is a 501©(3) organization with a mission of arming and training the militia. It is an educational and charitable organization supporting patriotic groups, militia groups, veterans organizations, auxiliary police forces, volunteer fire departments, first responders and individuals in obtaining training, certification and legal authority to assist local political jurisdictions and communities across the nation in order to alleviate the burden of government for the enforcement of Constitutional laws, emergency response, homeland security, and defense from foreign and domestic threats.
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