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55 minutes ago, Driver Joe said:

Some of the best discussion I’ve heard in a long while. This is serious stuff, no games.   It would be good to put out a shopping list, minimum kit bag to start out with. Thanks for the talk. 

 

I don't care what your YouTube video says, I don't care what your grand pappy taught you. I don't care about your military experiences; I have my own. This is equipment you will ABSOLUTELY NEED when shit hits the fan. 

 

 

First: you need a weapon. I keep hearing "oh the food and water and the stuff and you won't be able to eat without FOOOOOOOODD". Okay? And? First of all, without a weapon you cannot fight. Without a weapon you cannot defend yourself. Without a weapon you cannot protect your country, life, family or anything you care about. "But food is more important so you don't starve!" BULLSHIT! Your enemies will have food. Slap those bitches in the face, shoot them in the guts and then take THEIR food. Not only does it make sense to feed yourself but it also makes sense to take their shit and put it to a more worthy cause. That said; have a little bit of food to get started. But your country isn't going to be saved by canned food or jerky. 

 

If you disagree; speak up. But I'll be glad to prove you wrong. The government likes having workers. Workers need food to live. You're a worker. Stop being an idiot. 

 

 

Personally? I recommend an AR-15 chambered in 5.56 NATO. It's a VERY common and very cheap bullet. Magazines are plentiful and if for whatever reason we go to war with our own people; guess what they're using that you can now pick up and take? 5.56 NATO. Cops use it too so don't come at me with that "well da army wil tuch u pee pee" because they one, probably won't, and two it's more likely you'd have to fight police at the start of things. 

 

 

Secondly: You need water. This is important because fresh water might not always be available. You don't need gallons and gallons and gallons. You should have enough in your bag for three days. Your enemy will have water too. Take his shit and quit bitching about how important it is to know how to scrape dew from the highest mountain under the moonlight of the fifth butt fucking that happened. You're just making yourself into an ass. I am too but I probably care less about it. 

 

Also; water is kind of extremely important for the government. And just life in general. Factories stop working without it, chemical plants stop and people start dying. If you think your government will suddenly abandon having clean water which increases their productivity sky high you're wrong. No government is THAT stupid and they're all about profit and productivity. "But they'll kill the poor" no they won't. Who do you think does all the work around here? The rich? 

 

Pack about three days worth of water into your bag. If you stockpile more at home; go for it. But your BAG  (the one you take with you to do the pew-pew) needs about three days worth. That's roughly two gallons ish. It also depends on climate, how hard you're working, bodily needs which vary between individuals and many other factors. 

 

 

Thirdly: You need a vest. I'm not talking about body armor though that would be even more amazing. You need something to carry all those magazines of bullets you have. Without that vest reloading your rifle will be a bitch and a half and slow as old people fucking in January. You also need a bag to carry all of this shit. Get one if you don't already have one. 

 

 

Fourthly: YOU. NEED. A. GOD. DAMN. TOURNIQUET. Get an entire IFAK for about $80 online. It comes with a tourniquet, pressure bandage, some gauze and some other things. An epinephrine pen would also be useful but most of you probably aren't trained to use one. They're easy to use; stick'em in the leg and be done with it. However the training isn't about 'how to' but 'WHEN' to use an eppy pen. Morphine is also useful but I'm pretty sure that's a narcotic and it spoils quickly when not used. Don't bother with it. If your enemy has this sort of thing and you don't: steal from him. If you already have it; steal it anyways to make them suffer. 

 

 

 

Fifthly: Food. Hey! Lookie! Food! We found it! Yeah it's not all that important. EVERYONE and their mother is stocking up on food. This is why public opinion matters a lot. Get the public on your side and you don't have to worry about food. They'll give it to you just to help your cause even if you don't need it. Disregard this piece of advice and well... good luck Chuck. You'll need it. That said; pack about a day or so of food in your bag. Mostly? Pack snacks. Small containers that are easily opened and don't require you to eat a lot at one time. 

If you haven't noticed by now, I pack extremely light so I can move quickly. 

 

 

 

Sixth: Repair tools and equipment. You need to be able to fix your shit. It's more important to know how to repair it than it is to have ten thousand rifles stock piled. Learn to make things work. Duct tape? That's gold. Keep it. Electrical tape? Platinum. Pack some. A sewing kit? Daddy, I can only get so erect. A maintenance kit for ALL weapons costs about $20 to $30 bucks if you get a universal cleaning kit. It's not very big and well worth it. Get one. Like right now. Go on. I'll wait. 

 

 

Seventh: Hygiene. If you can smell you, so can your enemy. If you can't smell you, wash anyways. Don't go fruity fragrance of dick sucking with it but get some scent-neutral soaps. Hunters use them all the time. They're useful. Oh and if you think not? The wildlife can give away your position faster than enemy eyeballs. So get scrubbing. 

33 minutes ago, Driver Joe said:

Some of the best discussion I’ve heard in a long while. This is serious stuff, no games.   It would be good to put out a shopping list, minimum kit bag to start out with. Thanks for the talk. 

I got you fam. I'll write one up now. 

45 minutes ago, 20thRegiment said:

I’m not saying I’d use it in battle all I said is why it changed for more range

just like when I hunt deer . I like my bow but when muzzleloader season comes I’m jumping on that for MORE RANGE

i would use it to gather food silently no doubt just like I said it’s a tool

I was agreeing with you...

2 minutes ago, 20thRegiment said:

More Range

just like anything it’s a tool you learn to use . I self taught in a few months 

Range, power, maintenance and cost. A musket cost more than a bow but the difference was more than made up for in maintenance. A musket hits harder and further than most bows (fun fact; bows were used during the Revolution alongside muskets) and the ammunition was smaller and lighter; leading to an overall reduction in weight.

 

Perhaps most importantly a musket could have a bayonet which made it useful in close combat unlike the bow. It is an objectively better weapon in ninety percent of situations. 

Wherever the heart of the fight is I will be there. I am almost thirty and have broken my spine three times. But the commie bastards will still be slaughtered by my hand through the will of God. 

 

I was once a U.S. Army Infantryman. I swore an oath with no expiration date. I intend to uphold that oath until the river of blood runs dry or my last breath leaves my body.

On 7/16/2020 at 10:12 PM, Saiga308snipe said:

i think by telegraphing this they want to see if we respond in numbers or roll over kinda a beta test they are floating 

Let them think we rolled over. Then when shit gets hot,  hit them hard.

Also if you have doctors let me know. I want some.

Having casualties on a battlefield is a certainty. Get that through your head that eventually without fail one of your troopers will be wounded or worse. It is inevitable. Even if you're the best trained and most disciplined team one of you will sneeze during an ambush and be caught with your pants down, someone will look up at just the right moment (for their team), you'll step on a twig you didn't see or someone will get blindly lucky. Regardless reducing those casualties is important to all of us. Superior firepower is the best medicine when combined with violence of action. 

 

 

But say your man is hit. That poultice you made? It isn't worth a damn if he bleeds out. What if he has a TBI? Chemical burns? Or how about burns in general? Poisoning? 

 

First and foremost stop thinking that a bit of moss and some mud will magically fix it. Because it won't. There's a reason we stopped putting leeches on people to subdue infections and stopped trying to 'rebalance their humors'. It's because science advanced.

 

 

 

What do you do when your buddy has been gut shot? Firstly: do NOT let him drink water. He can have small amounts; just enough to wet his lips and mouth but do not let him swallow it. 

 

Using a pressure bandage, scoop his intestines off the ground with the clean side of the bandage. Do not attempt to put them back in. Doing so can twist the intestines and cause cuture and far greater problems down the line. Lay them on top of his body and wrap the bandages around his entire torso as tight as possible. You can't overtighten here. Get him to a hospital. Your poultice and your native American medicine isn't going to magically cure him.

 

 

What if he got shot in the arm or leg and has a severed artery? Tourniquet. Do so immediately as high on the limb as possible and as quickly as possible. Write the time and date on the tourniquet. Your belt is NOT a tourniquet. It does not get tight enough and will not be enough. Your shirt is a better improvised tourniquet but it should only be used when no alternative remains. Even then with a shirt he is likely to die. DO NOT REMOVE A TOURNIQUET! LET THE DOCTORS DO THAT! 

 

 

 

What about a shot to the head? He's dead right? 

 

Wrong. Over 5% of people shot in the head survive. Of them 60% are able to recover without changes to their lifestyle. Some even return to active service. 

 

This method works for any head injury. If the brain is exposed do not press on it. Brains are not solid and have the consistency of jell-o; meaning they can easily be damaged just by trying to hold it.

 

Secondly, wrap bandages around his head and cover the brain with the sterile part. DO NOT TOUCH THE BRAIN! IT WILL LEAD TO INFECTION AND HE WILL DIE! Keep at least one of his eyes uncovered and his ears to prevent him from going into shock. Shock kills more people on the battlefield than anything else.

 

If the brain is not exposed the method is the same. Get him to a hospital the day before he was wounded. He will not survive without serious and intense surgery. Even then his chances are grim. Be prepared in this situation to write a letter home with a chaplain and NCO. 

 

 

 

"Well my buddeh has a chest woond so he ded rite?"

 

WRONG! DEMOTION! GET OUT OF MY MILITIA!

 

If your comrade has a chest wound you need to act fast and decisively though. First, if his chest cavity is punctured you need to make a flutter bandage. When the chest cavity is punctured it disturbs the vacuum seal of the lungs and causes the cavity to fill with air; causing the lungs to collapse. 

 

Using a piece of flexible plastic (literally a ziploc bag will work) place it over the wound and tape it on three sides. This is called a flutter bandage. When he breathes in the air in his chest will be pushed out through the bandage. This is temporary. Get him to a hospital. He has about 8 hours to live without help even with a flutter bandage. If he has an exit wound do the same thing but secure all sides of the bandage on the opposite side. 

 

In the above if his lungs are punctured from the bullet... say a prayer. Fix him anyways. It is better to try and fail than to not try at all.

 

 

 

A shot to the arm or leg but no arterial bleeding? Bandage it tight and send him to the rear lines if he can walk. If not, carry him home to his family. 

 

 

 

In the event of an amputated limb, tourniquet immediately. He will still probably die before you get to him though. It takes an average human being approximately 30 seconds to bleed out from a hit to the femoral artery. Approximately 5 from a hit to the jugular or cartoid artery. 

 

 

 

Broken limbs are tricky but doable. Firstly do not try to straighten the limb. I was once riding along in an ambulance and saw an EMT try to do this. The guy he 'fixed' ended up with bone splinters in his lungs and died after they shredded his organs. That was from straightening a broken finger. Let the professionals do it. 

 

However, find a stick or similar stiff object that is the same shape as the broken leg. DO NOT TRY TO SET THE BONES! THAT GUY DIED IN AGONY OVER A SIMPLE AND STUPID MISTAKE! Immobilize the limb entirely so that the injured limb cannot move. Better yet; tie it to his other limb or against his torso. Your job is not "fix muh budeh". Your job is to get him to a hospital alive. When you have the limb immobilized get him away from the battle. His fight is over for now.

 

 

 

Broken neck or spine? Immobilize it. DO NOT TRY TO TWIST HIM BACK INTO A PROPER SPINE ALIGNMENT! YOU CAN PARALYZE OR EVEN KILL THEM THIS WAY! Put him on a stretcher. Carry him home. His fight is over. Period. I broke my spine three different times in the military. I know from experience. 

 

 

 

"Bu mu budee wuz shot in da ass"

 

Tell him to open a shrimping company. He'll make millions.

 

 

Seriously though,  bandage it. Tightly. Same for an arm or a hand. 

 

 

 

Let's do the ABCs of trauma care.

 

 

 

A : open the airway

 

B : stop the bleeding

 

C : control and treat for shock

 

D : Dress and bandage any wounds.

 

 

A and D are closely related. You may have to dress or bandage a wound to stop the bleeding. Obviously if he's breathing skip A. TREAT FOR SHOCK!!!

 

Talk to him. Tap him. Wave your hands in his face. DO NOT LET HIM FALL ASLEEP OR HE WILL DIE! 

 

 

 

Oh right. A chest catheter. He's probably dead. Stick him in the third rib down from his collar bone. Either side. It's another way to relieve a sucking chest wound. Still, make the wound not a problem anymore. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is probably a subject I feel very strongly about. Take what I said with a grain of salt. I have seen too many people die to stupid shit to be nice about this. MEDICAL TREATMENT IS IMPORTANT! YOUR POULTICE ISN'T WORTH A DAMN FOR TRAUMA!

 

Use your poultices on minor wounds where if something happens and shit goes sideways, it doesn't matter and can be fixed.

 

 

 

Burns and chemical burns... this is tricky. Pay attention. Firstly, we won't cover first degree burns because that's like a sunburn. Suck it up buttercup. Still, drink extra water. Those will dehydrate you quickly.

 

Second degree burns are basically blisters with maybe a little bit of flesh completely missing. These can be nasty. Treat for shock and bandage them to keep them clean. Run it under some water to reduce the heat inside the burn if you can but on a battlefield, send him home or get him back in the fight.

 

 

Third degree burns involve the complete destruction of human tissues and sometimes damage to the bone structure itself. These burns are catastrophic. Without help... he will die. 

 

First, bandage his wounds and make sure he isn't still on fire. Secondly, move him away from the heat. Thirdly, put a blanket over him. Your skin is what retains your heat. Without it (and with third degree burns he will have huge bits of it missing) he will die of hypothermia even on a temperate day. On a hot day make sure you move him somewhere relatively cool to keep him from likewise overheating. 

 

 

 

For a chemical burn... 

 

He's dead. Or maimed. This is unavoidable. Most people aren't carrying an entire surgical theater on them plus replacement organs. 

 

Crush some charcoal and put it into the burns. It will help neutralize the chemical. DO NOT USE WATER! IT MAY SPREAD THE CHEMICAL OR EVEN MAKE THE BURNS WORSE!!!! GET HIM TO A FUCKING HOSPITAL!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Overall? Your job is not to be the uber badass and make sure no one dies with your magical healing powers and chanting rituals. Your job is to stabilize him and get him to a real doctor. Unless you have an entire hospital in your militia. In which case get him to them and why are your doctors in the field...?

Just now, Skillet said:

 

And that (as well as enforcing those standards) is a combat multiplier within itself.

Amen. I have a goal that my troopers will be the hardest, meanest militia. Songs will be written of our victories and our enemy will learn to fear the very mention of our name.

 

Ordinis Libertatis

3 minutes ago, SecurityGuy42 said:

I wasn't talking about having up to date weapons.  I'm talking about the people that think they have to have the latest model that just came out with the latest expensive gadget just because.  The guy that did "I'm special forces because I have gear that looks like theirs" did that with Glocks.  Every new model he had to buy that first week in the store.  Even though there was no major changes from the previous model(s).  It was only cosmetic.

 

And all of us will be sucking PT wise for a while when we join the fight.  Those rucks will be damn heavy and those miles will seem to be 3 times as far.  But everything you can do to improve your physical shape now will pay off with fewer aches and pains later.

Which is why I do PT and encourage my guys to do it. We have a training standard. If they don't meet it they don't get to fight.

 

But yeah, that makes sense on the gun thing.

1 hour ago, Cb85 said:

You are assuming two things what I mean by "godly" and that I don't mean what I say and am a man only of words. You are incorrect on both counts. 

We are more closely aligned than you think.

So far you keep saying talk is better than action. So yeah I think you're all bark and no bite.

4 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

I can't help but wonder if you are a liberal posing as a militia member trying to create radicalism cuz your a member of the enemy. 

A well known tactic among liberals.

I'm thinking the same about you really. Piss off. You want me to prove my methods work better then find a way for your guys and mine to do combatives, shoot houses and the like and I will PROVE my methods work better. 

10 hours ago, ROFCB Commander said:

Today is Day Four of the twenty-day "Leadership 101" series I'll be posting. This series expresses my thoughts on some topics important to the successful leadership of a local unit, and asks other unit leaders to post their thoughts, ideas, and experiences on the same subject in hopes that together we can help those who are starting from scratch with unit-building.

 

Today's topic is LEAD, FOLLOW, or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

 

Early in the American Civil War a Union General was promoted far in excess of his actual proven abilities. This is not uncommon, and in fact it's sometimes necessary due to circumstances or the sheer lack of capable bodies to fill necessary positions. In this case the officer was an Engineer by trade and experience, not a battlefield commander. Perhaps knowing this, and what became of him, it would seem no surprise. Retrospect gives us the ability to look back and say "how didn't they see that coming?" But at the time, nobody could foresee how things would turn out.

 

The officer turned out to be very, very good at organizing and building the morale of his troops. He took what was a defeated, dejected army and reformed, retrained, and refocused them until they became an absolutely mighty fighting force--and he did it not once, but twice. This, it seems, was a talent he possessed in spades.

 

Sadly, the talent he did not possess was the ability to put this force to battle. He was ever making plans, constantly maneuvering, adjusting and re-adjusting. It could legitimately be said that he never fully unleashed the power of the force he commanded. Even in the battle that goes down as a victory for him (it was tactically a draw, but because he forced the enemy to retreat from the field first it is considered a win for the North) he was paralyzed by indecision and analysis paralysis. Moreover, had he prosecuted the enemy with even a little more zeal, it's entirely possible he could have ended the war much sooner than it actually concluded. In fact history points to several opportunities just like that, where had he acted instead of waiting, the war could have been brought to a much swifter conclusion.

 

Most who know history are aware by now that I am talking about George McClellan, elevated to and then ultimately relieved of his command by President Lincoln for his refusal to actually wage war with his army. He was eventually replaced by Ulysses Grant, who was in many ways his diametric opposite. Grant was prone to fight even when it wasn't particularly well advised, often suffering significant casualties to the point where he was at one point given the nickname "The Butcher". Unlike McClellan, Grant was decisive. He rarely second-guessed his decisions, and though he was not as tactically gifted as McClellan (who, by most measures, planned his battles carefully and well--he just didn't execute them), he was fearless in his resolve to prosecute the battle at all costs.

 

This paragraph simplifies the matter for both men, who had their strengths and weaknesses and together could be assessed with greater or lesser accuracy than I am presenting them here, but the experience of each illustrates a point, and their combined experience further illustrates it exceptionally well.

 

Before we go much further, I should note something--I am much more similar in style and temperament to General McClellan than I am to General Grant. I am extremely capable as an organizer, morale-builder, and strategist; but I too sometimes suffer from analysis paralysis, and can imagine myself struggling to prosecute the battle while I'm in the midst of it. This is an honest assessment of my strengths, and acknowledgement of what could be a significant weakness.

 

I urge any current unit commanders to measure themselves with the same degree of honesty and candor. You'll need that assessment when this article is complete, and again throughout the next four months as you prepare for the battles to come.

 

I submit that had the roles been reversed--had Grant risen to command before the war was fully engaged, and McClellan brought in as it was underway, the Union could easily have lost. The addition of McClellan, following severe losses to an already demoralized army, would have delayed the inevitable because, as history has shown, he had a remarkable ability to restore order and morale, while instituting policies that accelerated unit-building and training. He could have stopped the bleeding long enough to push the war forward a bit...but the damage that would have been done had Grant assumed command and attempted to prosecute the war effort with a disorganized, ill-trained army of insufficient size (as it would have been when he received command of it) would likely have been too catastrophic to recover from. The two men served in the capacities they should have, at the time they were needed to do so.

 

I use these two for this post because I believe they illustrate a truth that plagues the Militia today. Our unit leaders are, in my estimation, too like Grant when they should be striving to be more like McClellan. Many are spoiling for the fight, but with an army that is too small, too poorly supported, and essentially unprepared for the battle. They are counting on reinforcements when the battle moves too close to home, but this is too great a gamble...especially when they could just as easily adopt the ways of McClellan at this moment in time and build a large, strong, well-supported, well-trained fighting force that, when unleashed, will be more than adequate to defeat the enemy.

 

I don't want to denigrate the Grant that lives inside of them--we need Ulysses Grant in the very near future, and we need those commanders to step up and transform themselves once more into their inner "Butcher" when the time is right for it. But for now, for this moment, we need the cautious leader, the team-builder, the commander who is loved so much by his men that they recruit others to his side. We need the tactician who battle-plans well before he commits his troops to the field, who is so protective of his troops that he won't commit them to battle until he's certain of victory--and works tirelessly to ensure they have full support services behind them. We need leaders who recognize when it's time to lead the battle, when it's time to lead the recruitment effort, when it's time to lead the team building. In short, we need leaders who recognize the difference between build time, and kick ass time. We need them to channel their inner McClellan, at least for the short window we have to be the engineer rather than the brigadier.

 

Right now, it's the time to build. In truth, it's been time to build for a long time and we've failed a bit in that regard, There isn't nearly as much time to do that now as there once was, but the recruits are coming to us much more than they were before the current troubles reared. Now is the time to put those recruits to good use building the organization--not just preparing to fight. Think of it as handing them fishing poles rather than fish; we're looking to create a sustained fishing program, not just a really good meal for the day. The time will come, as more and more are recruited, when we can choose the best of the fighters and put them on the field to learn how to engage the enemy.

 

But let's get those bodies through the door first. We can't choose the elite if we can't pull in the crowds to begin with. Leading, right now, may mean getting out of your own way. Follow the way of the businessman, the engineer, rather than the soldier. Then, when the time is right for it, redirect your efforts to be more Grant-like. Because a leader knows when to lead, when to follow, and when to get out of (his own) way.

 

Tomorrow, we'll talk about WINNING--OR AT LEAST FIGHTING--THE PROPAGANDA WAR.

 

 

I've already spoken about the propaganda war here many times. It will fall on deaf ears on mymilitia. 

 

That said fuck caution. Anyone fighting defensively in history has lost. Get aggressive and butcher those ANTIFA fuckheads when the time comes. Bayonets, grenades and knives will be my weaponry of choice.

 

Close with them, engage them brutally and viciously and you WILL break their morale and send them fleeing to the hills pissing themselves. When one of them engages you shoot him in the belly and as he pleads and begs for his life kill his friends and make him watch. Then and only then do you consider giving him a modicum of the mercy of death.

 

ANTIFA wants to have a monster that lurks in the dark to fear. I'll be that monster. And I'll give them everything they wished for in fucking spades.

 

By the way there's a video where on of them gets their skull cracked. You can hear him begging if you listen close. Link upon request. That video makes me swoon.

28 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Words matter whether you stand behind your words also matter

 

making threats just shows me the depth of your character I'm done. Your no better than the tyrants you claim to oppose.

It was a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard. If I actually threatened you, you'd know it because we'd be face to face.

 

Furthermore until you're acting in an appropriate manner to back your words up you're all talk and hot air. No one respects that from any side.

8 minutes ago, Jailbreak68 said:

So I'm looking for a local Militia along with a buddy of mine. What are the options in the Dorchester County area? He and I both are veterans that has served overseas...

Hit me up.

37 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Ehhhh. Nope that's not a rational argument. You can't just write a statement and automatically be right.  Words matter. Other wise the writings of thomas paine and Thomas Jefferson and George Washington mean nothing. 

And if actions are speak so much louder, than what are the words of say.... the constitution worth.

Also incorrect. If they had wrote those words and done nothing to back them up we would all be speaking the Queen's English ol' chap. Of course if you don't believe me then I can hop into my lorry and come toss you from the first floor window in a bit of a scrap.

 

 

Talk is cheap as fuck. Everyone flaps their gums. What separated Washington from his peers was that he acted.

41 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

I'm saying if you do everything you just stated but you come off like an asshole as your doing right now. Then the cause is better off if you are sitting around in the woods jacking off.

who we are is more important than what we do.

we absolutely should be doing all of the stated above but be doing it with humility willing to hear other ppl out. 

Trying to reason with ppl not beat them over the head.

george Washington was described as one of the most godly humble ppl in history.

thats y ppl followed him, the ppl understand Who he was on the inside.

strength of character is far more important than just winning an argument.

 

Incorrect. Actions speak louder than words.

15 hours ago, Keystone_Patriot said:

I wouldnt believe it if I didnt see it with my own eyes. This is a legit pamphlet on "whiteness" from the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture. Its not a joke, its not a "meme"....

 

its still up on the nmaahc.si.edu website. 

 

Link

What're you waiting for? Storm the Smithsonian and burn those pamphlets. 

 

Or don't. Those pamphlets seem to be something we should be proud of. We need ones for blackness which can describe the welfare state.

26 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

The purpose of militia now is not to fight but to change the narrative on what we are. Most ppl don't think we are sitting around jerking off in the woods. Most ppl think we are scary para military type. The goal is to be kind family friendly speak with wisdom and be appealing to other patriots.   That's how we do the best for the militia movement.  We still have rule of law. Trump will likely win reelection (its hard to beat an incumbent) so we have at least 4 more years to build on our current foundations.

all we have to do is be appealing to others and not come off as know it all jackasses.  Cuz if we do that our cause is lost.  

 

So in other words your guys have done nothing. Meanwhile, mine are doing food drives, educating the young on gun safety, literally saving lives (a bit haphazardly but it's happened more than once), training our asses off and making sure the population knows who the hell we are. 

8 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Yea.....   only under very specific circumstances do control burns work.

Ive met lots of ppl that argue like the way you are doing, they are mostly liberals. It's clear in your eyes it's your way or the highway. 

Which is y all militias need to be very careful who they join up with. So we don't end up joining up with ppl like you that are so narcissistic they can't see when they are wrong. Ppl like that get ppl killed and lose wars. They might make good soldiers but that's it.  They can't be allowed to be leaders.

thats the last point I'm gonna make. 

Its not about being rite it's about making wise decisions given the circumstances and weighing the odds given what we know about history.

And what has YOUR militia done for the good fight?

35 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Yea history has shown the tyrants will do terrible stuff in secret. But burning down hundreds of thousands of acres of forest is a very visible thing that could also burn the tyrants own base down 

its much less likely. 

Theyd have to be very desperate.  

I don't have to burn thousands of acres. I just have to burn enough you can't hide in them. Controlled burns happen all the time. 

39 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Also why d you automatically assume there are 200 against you.  The purpose on the militia initially will be to hit small targets and then fade. This forces the enemy to have to spread out its forces being they never know where they might get hit. 

 

There re are room for both ideals.  But there is no Good reason to have centralized leadership in a state where under 100 militia members are active and none of them know each other well enough to know weather the other groups are trust worthy. Maybe in your state you have sufficient numbers to justify that. But not here.

The couple in Saint Louis seemed to have 200 people against them. And if you hit and "fade into the woods" my response as a larger group is to burn the forest down and force you to fight on equal (ish) terms that I pick.

43 minutes ago, ROFCB Commander said:

The position is Logistics Officer, though certainly it would entail elements of supply as well. And you and I know the reality of things--that for the most part, people supply their own stuff--but thinking bigger, wouldn't it be fantastic if your unit was so accepted by the community that people donated pizza, or ammunition, or gym time, or tailoring services, to help you to succeed?

 

That's the goal of it all. We are attempting to move past the struggles of the past (where we were always short-handed, always looked down on or feared, never fully accepted or trusted) and incorporate the entire community in the effort. That's just one place where the Logistics Officer can be of great assistance.

I agree whole heartedly. That's what I'm trying to do in my state. I still think the position is unnecessary until we reach that point though.

10 minutes ago, Cb85 said:

Group group A family isn't involved they are at home and completely against the militia or neutral. It won't matter they'll still come after them cuz they are tyrannical. 

 

Its easier to protect your family in a small group alone. And to have better opsec if you keep it small and no centralized leadership.   We don't have encrypted channels like the US military does.  

And if everyone agreed with you you'd have more centralized leadership. Which proves my point.  

Unless that fact only proves in your eyes why your so much smarter than everyone else. 

In which case all the more argument in my opinion why leaderless is better.

It's not easier with a small group of five to fend off a mob of two hundred people. Sure, you can inflict casualties and make them regret their decision but your enemy WILL win and you will all be dead.

 

Furthermore, tyranny does not mean cruel. It has been proven many times that torture is ineffective and takes long than building rapport which also usually gives more truthful information. 

 

Also having better OPSEC doesn't come from having a smaller group. Almost every militia posts what they're doing on Facebook which in turn negates any OPSEC they might have had in the first place.

 

Small groups have their place; working with bigger groups because they are much harder to find. Also kidnapping a person's family takes resources and time and is terrible for propaganda. It's easier to just wait until they're alone then take them out with a sniper or drone strike. Or even a hit team if we want a more direct route. Collateral damage helps exactly no governments. 

 

And I personally don't give a damn how smart anyone is. A genius can be wrong, even experts make mistakes and everyone should experience failure. It makes us human. I do, however, have eyes and if small teams were what won wars then Iraq would have beaten the piss out of the US, Nazi Germany would have won WWII and Russia would be child's play for any nation.

 

When you have four riflemen against twelve and your four are extremely more skilled they will still die. Because twelve riflemen put out more suppressive fire than four. They'll just pin you down and kill you anyways.

 

Additionally, almost everyone I talk to thinks militia are hiding in the woods LARPing and jacking themselves off to gun magazines while whispering about communists being everywhere. They are not wrong and it's thinking like that which makes them exactly right. In turn? It means we are losing the propaganda war and until we see that we are doomed to fail. 

 

No one likes politics but a united front wins those too. More people agreeing with you means more people are inclined to listen.