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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Pepinator in Hello from southeast Mass.   
    Great ... we'll all benefit from the fusion.  We're awaiting his transforming hand on this site ... he's lucky to come into leadership here, because there is nothing really like it anywhere else, and I believe it can play an increasingly-important role over the next few years.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Ideological Gambler in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    The rioters won't have MRAPs.  If you find yourself fighting the American military, you've lost before you have started.
     
    And you will not have just lost militarily ... you will have lost politically, because you will have driven the great majority of the American people over to the other side.
     
    The rioters can kill policemen, and they will be protected by the Establishment and MSM, who will just go 'tut tut, that's a naughty thing to do'.
    Jane Fonda can pose sitting in the seat of a 40mm anti-aircraft gun whose purpose is shoot Americans out of the sky,  and the liberal establishment, even fifty years ago, will just titter
    Bill Ayers' and Bernadine Dohrn's acolytes can build a bomb to kill dozens of GI's and their dates at Fort Dix (bomb went off prematurely), and they will be made Distinguished Professors of Education, and Law (!) respectively.
     
    But it a militia unit gets into a firefight with the American military -- the worst thing that could happen would be for it to wipe out the unit it's facing.
     
    I'm NOT talking about some future nightmare American Civil War scenario, where the military has split, and one part is supporting an unConstitutional usurping would-be government, financed
    by the Chinese, and seen by the mass of Americans to be illegitimate. 
     
    We should be INSIDE the American military, not opposing it.  It's OUR military, and we shouldn't relinquish it to the enemy.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    That is absolutely true.  It's the great weakness of the militia movement, that its political understanding is still rather shallow, compared to its military and related expertise.  If, as von Clausewitz famously said, 'War is diplomacy carried on by other means',  then we've got to understand the 'diplomacy' -- ie the politics -- before we carry on war.
     
    And the bankers are definitely part of the problem. But not just a particular ethnic group among them. Maybe you didn't mean it, but almost always, when someone says 'the Rothchilds', they mean, 'the Jews'.  And we're off into 'the socialism of fools'.  Another time, maybe on another forum, we should discuss Zionism and Israel and Kevin MacDonald's thesis, but not now.
     
    Right now, everyone must be considering how to respond to these riots, without falling into the traps our enemies would love to see us fall into, namely, to become the 'Far Right Outsiders' in the MSM narrative.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Of course not!
    If there is an area where they are likely to attack -- with big shops to loot -- you should find out what steps are being taken to protect them, and then publically -- via an electronic press release to the local media -- offer to help defend these areas.  The ideal situation would be if local Black-owned or Asian- or Hispanic-owned businesses asked for your help. 
     
    Beware of provocateurs within your group, who will urge hasty action, who will call anyone who counsels caution a 'coward', who will play on your emotions.  The Hard Left would love nothing better than for half a dozen rioters -- ideally, including a pretty teenage white girl -- to get their brains blown out by militia members. 
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    I'm 3000 miles away, so I can't do anything.
    If I were in the US, and in a militia group, of course I would want to make "a calculated and well informed move with fellow militia".
    But that could mean anything ... from staying at home, to all turning up at the site of the next riot locked and loaded.
     
    You seem to be urging everyone to tool up and get down to where the action is, regardless of circumstances.
    But maybe I'm wrong. So .. what information would you need to be "well informed" .. and how would you calculate what to do?
     
    W should realize that a hasty move by a bunch of militia people ... for instance, going uninvited into an area, especially a Black area ... could provoke some sort of shoot-out which would be a terrible public relations defeat for us.  It might assauge someone's sense of manhood, but it would be a total disaster for the militia movement, and great victory for the Left.
     
    Because that's what's at stake here:  the perception, by the broad middle of America, of the narrative of these riots.
     
    The Hard Left want to see it played like this:  "The police are all hardcore racists, who murder innocent Black people all the time. We've had enough! This is a righteous response!"  And a lot of the MSM are going along with this.  
    We should want to see it played like this: Yes, the police have been going over the line ... why, just a couple of months ago they murdered one of OURs... and there was no outcry, for some reason.  We support peaceful protest of these crimes. But ...  these protests have been taken over by people who want NO law enforcement of any sort in their areas. They're the hard core behind the socialist fluff. Elect the fluffy socialists, and you'll get these people as well.   As for us, we stand ready to come to the aid of anyone whose life or business is being threatened, if we're asked.
     
    Of course, if it's YOUR town or neighborhood that's being threatened, that's different. The problem is going somewhere else.
     
    I believe the National Council of the Three Percenters -- Original -- pretty well gets it right:
     
     
    One more thing to think about: there are undoubtedly a number of enemy provocateurs within our ranks, pretending to support the militia movement, but actually aiming to harm it.
    What will they be saying right now? What would they want us to do?
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    This is relevant: https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-self-defense-laws-in-most-states-say-when-a-mob-surrounds-and-attacks-you-in-public-a-car-or-at-home
     
    The man answering questions there should be enlisted into the Militia Movement, if he is not already.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Here's the statement of the national leadership of the Three Percenters -- Original.
    It seems very sensible to me:
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    Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    May 31, 2020
    National Council
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO ALL TTPO MEMBERS
    RE: Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    As we watch the violent riots going on across the U.S. currently, we would like to address our organization's position in the matter. The Three Percenters - Original recognizes and appreciates the right of peaceful protests through marches and assembly. However, violent and destructive riots and blatant theft are criminal behaviors that dishonor the search for justice.
    As TTPO we will not stand to see these individuals destroy our America, destroy American businesses and rise against our government in such a violent manner. We will also not respond in the same violent manner. As a member, we encourage you to join or organize peaceful counter-protests. Violence should not be our response at this time. If attending a peaceful protest this should be done without battle-rattle, no open carry, and in soft clothing.
    Leaders please note: If you plan on attending, you must have a strategic plan that includes headcount in and out, maps, comms, medic, ingress/egress points, etc. Avoid all acts of violence, but if necessary, only in self defense. Safety above all.
    National Council
    The Three Percenters - Original
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    The consensus here seems to be:  Possibly, but be very careful.  Watch out for the legal problems.  If a looter gets shot, expect the reflex response of the Establishment to be, 'Poor little protestor, shot by an evil neoNazi!" 
     
    But if you're part of a cool-headed group, and have been invited by the people whose property is threatened, then it's worth considering.
     
    Watch out for provocateurs.  In particular, every unit should have someone in command, and no one should pull a trigger except on the word of command, and should stop firing when they hear the "Cease Fire".  In fact, the commander of such a unit should require that all weapons have magazines out, and bolts/cocking handles back so that the chamber can be checked that it's not got a round in it, with  magazines not to be inserted except on command, and weapons not to be cocked except on command.  (Can the AR15 be set to have an open chamber? I don't remember, but you get the point.)
     
    Firing over the heads of protestors, or up in the air entirely, should precede aimed shots, and the latter are ONLY justifiable if your life is being threatened.   At this time above all we need solid legal advice about self-defense.  Remember, everything is political and  a militia unit made up of white men will NOT receive the half-respecting coverage that the 'rooftop Koreans' did during the Rodney King riot.
     
    Any militia unit mobilized in riot sitution had better have tried to liaise with police or National Guard, and had better have locals mixed in with it.
     
    Think about it: suppose a group of ten or twenty militia people, with serious weaponry, show up at a some place where they end up, say, on the rooftop of a store, protecting it.
    Now suppose you are an intelligent enemy, over on the other side ... cold-blooded, looking to win -- not a 'tactical' victory where you loot a shop and get a TV or some drugs, but  a
    major national propaganda victory, maybe one which will start an investigation and legal attack against the militia movement.
     
    What would you want to see happen?  That's right, a massacre of your own side.  You would want, somehow, to provoke that militia unit into emptying its magazines into a crowd of screaming 'protestors'.
     
    How could you do that? A well-timed and well-aimed single shot at the militia unit? 
     
    In Northern Ireland, nearly fifty years ago, a batallion of British 'paras' -- their Airborne -- faced a similar situation.  And started shooting.  A huge victory for the IRA.  Read about it here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
     
    Normally, the hot air merchants  --  "Time to do something NOW!" -- are just amusing, or annoying.  They do the work of the enemy, probably without realizing it.
    But in this situation, such a person could do something which would result in an enormous propaganda defeat for us.
     
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    Doug1943 reacted to JJones92 in How to Start   
    Wisconsin Resident here, looking to organize a state-wide militia with the intention of not only activism but also the readied deployment and mobilization to vulnerable areas of the state in times of crisis (for everything from natural disasters to the violence we are seeing now). 

    Im looking for ideas, resources and overall advice in completing this task. Any information is greatly appreciated and welcomed. 
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    Doug1943 reacted to GLCsector3295 in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Oh that is recognized and appreciated, I am just saying at this point in time, it isn't available, militias that want to be more active than they are , have to set up their own number to be contacted, an then they have to be well established in their community as people that can be trusted and are seen as trust worthy and helpful and not this evil monster that the left portrays them as and as racists use as a means to engage in violence. If locals are unaware, and something happens in their community, it just becomes an option of help that isn't used because that connection isn't established.
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    Doug1943 reacted to LA Lampost in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    As patriots, it’s our natural instinct to want to go in and fight back to protect the property and businesses against all those criminal thugs, gangsters and anarchists preying on our communities.  Personally, I’d love to be able to take a rooftop and fire rubber bullets and stinger rounds at their asses!  But unfortunately, the only safe and lawful way to fight back is to support our police, join/organize counter protests, demand our political leaders to take stronger action and VOTE.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Rascaldees in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    You've put your finger right on the problem!
     
    We have to integrate ourselves with the local community.
     
    After these riots, we should print up business cards with a local contact email  [a phone number would be better, but before you put one, think about harrassment], and go around to all the businesses that might be threatened in the future, with something like the following message:
    "If the police are unable to protect you, all is not lost.  The community -- you, your friends, and us -- can protect itself. We run classes in firearms safety, the law of self-defense, etc. Get
    in touch if you're interested in finding out more." Maybe put a link to that famous YouTube video of the 'rooftop Koreans' during the Rodney King riots.
     
    Similarly, every militia unit needs to be in touch with as many local people who are likely to be sympathetic, as possible: local Republican and other patriotic parties (Constitution & Libertarian), veterans' groups, gun shops and shooting ranges, churches ... ... we need to be able to mobilize not just riflemen, but people willing to make phone calls to legislators or newspapers, to come to demonstrations, to sign petitions.
     
    It's a political war first of all. 
     
    We want to appear to be. not some far-out scary bunch of would-be Rambos, but simply the best-organized, most realistic part of that part of the population which loves their country and doesn't want to see it turn into a Third World shithole.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Dav Harzin in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    You've put your finger right on the problem!
     
    We have to integrate ourselves with the local community.
     
    After these riots, we should print up business cards with a local contact email  [a phone number would be better, but before you put one, think about harrassment], and go around to all the businesses that might be threatened in the future, with something like the following message:
    "If the police are unable to protect you, all is not lost.  The community -- you, your friends, and us -- can protect itself. We run classes in firearms safety, the law of self-defense, etc. Get
    in touch if you're interested in finding out more." Maybe put a link to that famous YouTube video of the 'rooftop Koreans' during the Rodney King riots.
     
    Similarly, every militia unit needs to be in touch with as many local people who are likely to be sympathetic, as possible: local Republican and other patriotic parties (Constitution & Libertarian), veterans' groups, gun shops and shooting ranges, churches ... ... we need to be able to mobilize not just riflemen, but people willing to make phone calls to legislators or newspapers, to come to demonstrations, to sign petitions.
     
    It's a political war first of all. 
     
    We want to appear to be. not some far-out scary bunch of would-be Rambos, but simply the best-organized, most realistic part of that part of the population which loves their country and doesn't want to see it turn into a Third World shithole.
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from USNpatriot in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    In general, I agree with your cautious approach. And I appreciate a sober assessment of the reality. An impulsive appearance by a militia unit in a riot area, and an impulsive shot -- perhaps in response to someone deliberately shooting at us, hoping to provoke a response -- even an American 'Bloody Sunday'  -- could lead to a PR disaster.  However, I can see situations in which we are invited in, when neither the police nor the Guard can respond.  (By the way, I've repeatedly argued here that every member who is eligible should be enlisted in the Guard.)   I thought the III% ers had the balance about right.
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    Doug1943 reacted to RevRifleman in MyMilitia: the essential forum for times like these.   
    With the variety of events transpiring in the world around us, what we are discovering is the need for greater communication between Militia Units across the country.  Whether we are looking at something like VCDL day in Virginia, anti-lockdown protests in Michigan, or the riots in Minnesota, what we are discovering is that we have dead zones of communication in this country between militia units.  As Minneapolis burned, we were fortunate to have access to various live stream videos on YouTube.  But, we had nothing coming from the various militia units in Minnesota.  They do exist.  In my attempts to track some of them down on Facebook I found a large number of inactive pages.  Others made reference to the protests but there was little engagement with the post.  
     
    While OPSEC is always of great priority within any militia unit, the importance of sharing intel is crucial for success over the long haul.  Faint rumors popped up every now and then in various chats as parts of Minneapolis burned.  Were militia units mobilized?  Was anyone helping to protect businesses and neighboring districts, divisions, and communities from potential spread of destruction?  Sadly, we don't truly know for sure.  If they were, the extent of their operations should remain shrouded as much as desired.  But, neighboring units may have been able to provide additional support and resources.  Whether or not any additional help would have been needed is a mystery to us.  
     
    I realize there are quiet moments on the forum.  I realize that we have some 'out there' topics from time to time.  I also realize that many get frustrated because they join the forum and are unable to find fellow patriots to join up with.  Yes, there are squabbles between members... we are human after-all.  But, we have great staff here and great members who are active and do their best to keep conversation lively.  
     
    That being said, we need our members to make the effort to prowl the internet looking for Militia's with an online presence whether on social media or traditional website to ask them to have at least one member of their unit join up with us for the sake of national communication.  
     
    MyMilitia is the perfect forum for communication between Patriot Militia Unit's in the United States.  We need to be able to reach each other in order to assist and share information when difficult times arise.  We have the platform. 
     
    Friends, please take the time to reach out to Militia Units and ask that they create an account here so that when things get tough we can support each other and network efficiently.  We are stronger together than we are apart.  Long live the Republic and God Bless the U.S.A.  
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from GLCsector3295 in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    You've put your finger right on the problem!
     
    We have to integrate ourselves with the local community.
     
    After these riots, we should print up business cards with a local contact email  [a phone number would be better, but before you put one, think about harrassment], and go around to all the businesses that might be threatened in the future, with something like the following message:
    "If the police are unable to protect you, all is not lost.  The community -- you, your friends, and us -- can protect itself. We run classes in firearms safety, the law of self-defense, etc. Get
    in touch if you're interested in finding out more." Maybe put a link to that famous YouTube video of the 'rooftop Koreans' during the Rodney King riots.
     
    Similarly, every militia unit needs to be in touch with as many local people who are likely to be sympathetic, as possible: local Republican and other patriotic parties (Constitution & Libertarian), veterans' groups, gun shops and shooting ranges, churches ... ... we need to be able to mobilize not just riflemen, but people willing to make phone calls to legislators or newspapers, to come to demonstrations, to sign petitions.
     
    It's a political war first of all. 
     
    We want to appear to be. not some far-out scary bunch of would-be Rambos, but simply the best-organized, most realistic part of that part of the population which loves their country and doesn't want to see it turn into a Third World shithole.
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    Doug1943 reacted to GLCsector3295 in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    I really thought that was in part the purpose of militias was to help repel riots like what we are seeing, to be a minute man, and be able to scramble together on a moments notice to help protect local store owners .
     
    But I guess , in areas that we are witnessing things take place, maybe there just isn't a local militia around , let alone one that can deal with such violence and not have it escalate,  more over, how would a local store owner even know to ask for help from a local militia.  It isn't like there is an 1800 number for them to call.  An then if said local militia isn't established and well known in a community, it is unlikely that one would reach out to even ask for help.  But to just voluntarily risk ones neck for an establishment that didn't ask for help, more over is probably a corporate owned business that has insurance out the ying yang, those kinds of places are not likely to want and or even acknowledge help by a local militia, versus a locally owned business .
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from LetFreedomRing in Intelligence Report II. Another look at Enemy Plans   
    I'm on several Leftwing mailing lists. I just got this.  I  posted a similar report a few days ago ... this one brings things up to date.
    The Left are mobilizing for the Postal Vote.  They may  suceed in this, or they may not.
    Whatever happens, we MUST GET AS MANY OF OUR PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER AS POSSIBLE.
     
    Anyone who now says, "No, stay home, let them win, voting doesn't change anything" is doing the work of the enemy, whether or not they realize it.
     
    And ... the militia movement needs to make, and cement, ties with the broader conservative movement, which will be a source of future recruits (events
    change people's minds, as we are seeing now), and also make us less vulnerable to legal attacks.  What better way to make these ties than to work together
    with people trying to elect a patriot?
     
    Anyway, here's what tens of thousands of Leftists are getting in their email boxes this morning:
     
    ============================================================================================================================================
    Daily Kos <[email protected]>
    Sat, 30 May, 20:08 (12 hours ago) E   riend, in the midst of a viral pandemic and warnings of a second wave this fall, the safest way for Americans to vote this November will be by mail.

    But Donald Trump doesn't want voting to be safer. He wants people to be forced to choose between protecting their health and exercising their right to vote.

    Trump knows that if more Americans vote, he will lose. That's why he sent the email below to his supporters. Trump is already pushing lies that mail-in ballots will be fraudulent. He is threatening to use the power of the presidency to deny federal funding to key swing states like Michigan and Nevada if they attempt to expand vote-by-mail. He even signed an executive order initiating legal action against social media companies in response to Twitter for fact-checking his tweets about vote by mail.

    Trump knows that the only way he will win in November is by suppressing the vote. That's why I am asking you to please support the Daily Kos Get Out the Vote campaign by giving $5 TODAY to help us advocate to expand vote-by-mail wherever possible, and to recruit a record number of volunteers to register, educate and turnout every possible voter. Together, we can cancel Trump's voter suppression efforts.

    Keep fighting,
    Amanda McKay, Daily Kos

    P.S. The email below outlines the Republicans' $20 million plans to suppress voter turnout in the November elections by recruiting 50,000 volunteers to challenge votes.     Friend, Trump and his conservative allies are gearing up for an aggressive national effort to suppress votes in November.

    They plan on spending upwards of $20 million to recruit 50,000 volunteers in 15 swing states. These volunteers will monitor polling locations, challenge ballots and report voters deemed "suspicious" -- in other words, they plan to intimidate or work to exclude voters of color by calling it voter fraud.

    At Daily Kos, we are fighting back. We have already signed up 8,980 volunteers to help turnout voters and fight Republican voter suppression in 2020, and we are just getting started. We are putting together our largest Get Out The Vote campaign ever, and will we stand up to Trump and Republican voter suppression efforts at every turn. Please help us make sure as many people as possible can vote in 2020 by giving $5 today.

    Part of the Republicans' plan isn't just to intimidate voters, but build a well-crafted propaganda machine to paint Democrats as stealing the election. By using paid advertising, social media and Trump's network of loyal right-wing news outlets, they are laying the groundwork that there is widespread voter fraud and the election is "rigged."

    Trump has been claiming voter fraud since he ran in 2016, but now his attacks are ramping up. As the threat of COVID-19 lingers over the November elections, at the urging of voting rights advocates--including Daily Kos--many states and local jurisdictions are expanding opportunities to vote by mail. Trump has already attacked these efforts publicly by saying "mailed ballots are corrupt" and that they are "fraudulent in many cases."

    Trump's claims, often echoed by other Republicans, are simply not true (PDF). But the truth doesn't matter here. Trump knows what he is doing--every tweet he sends about voter fraud feeds into conspiracy theories long harbored by his base that any electoral victories by Democrats are fraudulent.

    Not only do we need to turn out as many voters as possible, but we need to win the fight against bogus Republican voter fraud claims that they will use to de-legitimize any Democratic victory. As both a large news media outlet and a grassroots activism organization, this is something Daily Kos is uniquely positioned to do. Please, chip in $5 to help us kick Trump, his Republican allies, and their voter fraud conspiracy theories to the curb in November.

    The task before us is enormous and multi-faceted. Not only do we need to educate voters about their rights and debunk right-wing conspiracy theories, but we need to register voters, advocate to expand access to vote-by-mail, support local grassroots organizations in key swing states who are fighting voter suppression on the ground, and connect as many volunteers as possible with effective GOTV programs and platforms.

    We will use innovative platforms like Mobilize America, Vote Forward, Vote.org, Turnout 2020, VoteWithMe and other, newer tools still in the testing stage, that help volunteers turn out voters from anywhere in the country and the safety of their own homes.

    We will be providing direct financial support to numerous local grassroots organizations across the country that have already developed the infrastructure and the trust of their communities to successfully educate, engage and turnout every vote.

    Our activism and election teams will continue working together to generate grassroots activism in the form of petitions, letters, calls and virtual rallies to push elected officials to expand access to voting by mail so that no one has to choose between their health and their right to vote.

    This is all part of our largest Get Out the Vote campaign ever. Help us make sure we have the resources needed so we can recruit a record number of volunteers to register, educate and turnout every possible voter and cancel Republican voter suppression efforts. Please support our Get Out the Vote campaign by giving $5 TODAY.

    Keep fighting,
    Amanda McKay, Daily Kos
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Brokbud in Looking for like minded us patriots.   
    This sounds like a lot of us.
    We're just feeling our way forward ... no one knows the future, but it's pretty clear that it could be dramatic. 
     
    And, while any military experience is valuable, it's possible to overrate it.  We've got plenty of combat veterans who can teach the rest
    what they need to know and -- pardon me -- it's not rocket science.  Put it this way: you can go through Basic Combat Training in two months,
    and infantry school in another three months, and then it's off to the 'Hurt Locker'.  Could you train a skilled plumber in five months?
     
    The key is, those green kids will be led by people with a lot more training and experience. So also with us.
     
    After WWI, the Germans were forbidden to have a real army. They could have, basically, a border guard and a ceremonial army -- limited
    to 100,000 when their rivals had fielded armies of millions.
     
    So ... they kept the numbers down to 100 000 ... but .. they were all sergeants or better. So when Hitler came to power and effectively tore up the treaty that had prevented
    their re-armament,  they could draft/enlist a million young men, and  each of their 100 000 sergeants had ten men to train and lead.  So they had a real army within
    a few months. Worked pretty well.
     
    In some future breakdown, we could expect the miltia movement to expand rapidly. Our job is to be those sergeants.
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    Doug1943 reacted to 302straub in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Even if invited to protect a local business keep in mind that showing up in full battle rattle is an open invitation for the local media to change the narrative to suit their needs. Just sayin.....
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from ZombiWurm in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Here's the statement of the national leadership of the Three Percenters -- Original.
    It seems very sensible to me:
    =============================================================================================================================================================
    Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    May 31, 2020
    National Council
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO ALL TTPO MEMBERS
    RE: Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    As we watch the violent riots going on across the U.S. currently, we would like to address our organization's position in the matter. The Three Percenters - Original recognizes and appreciates the right of peaceful protests through marches and assembly. However, violent and destructive riots and blatant theft are criminal behaviors that dishonor the search for justice.
    As TTPO we will not stand to see these individuals destroy our America, destroy American businesses and rise against our government in such a violent manner. We will also not respond in the same violent manner. As a member, we encourage you to join or organize peaceful counter-protests. Violence should not be our response at this time. If attending a peaceful protest this should be done without battle-rattle, no open carry, and in soft clothing.
    Leaders please note: If you plan on attending, you must have a strategic plan that includes headcount in and out, maps, comms, medic, ingress/egress points, etc. Avoid all acts of violence, but if necessary, only in self defense. Safety above all.
    National Council
    The Three Percenters - Original
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from ZombiWurm in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    The consensus here seems to be:  Possibly, but be very careful.  Watch out for the legal problems.  If a looter gets shot, expect the reflex response of the Establishment to be, 'Poor little protestor, shot by an evil neoNazi!" 
     
    But if you're part of a cool-headed group, and have been invited by the people whose property is threatened, then it's worth considering.
     
    Watch out for provocateurs.  In particular, every unit should have someone in command, and no one should pull a trigger except on the word of command, and should stop firing when they hear the "Cease Fire".  In fact, the commander of such a unit should require that all weapons have magazines out, and bolts/cocking handles back so that the chamber can be checked that it's not got a round in it, with  magazines not to be inserted except on command, and weapons not to be cocked except on command.  (Can the AR15 be set to have an open chamber? I don't remember, but you get the point.)
     
    Firing over the heads of protestors, or up in the air entirely, should precede aimed shots, and the latter are ONLY justifiable if your life is being threatened.   At this time above all we need solid legal advice about self-defense.  Remember, everything is political and  a militia unit made up of white men will NOT receive the half-respecting coverage that the 'rooftop Koreans' did during the Rodney King riot.
     
    Any militia unit mobilized in riot sitution had better have tried to liaise with police or National Guard, and had better have locals mixed in with it.
     
    Think about it: suppose a group of ten or twenty militia people, with serious weaponry, show up at a some place where they end up, say, on the rooftop of a store, protecting it.
    Now suppose you are an intelligent enemy, over on the other side ... cold-blooded, looking to win -- not a 'tactical' victory where you loot a shop and get a TV or some drugs, but  a
    major national propaganda victory, maybe one which will start an investigation and legal attack against the militia movement.
     
    What would you want to see happen?  That's right, a massacre of your own side.  You would want, somehow, to provoke that militia unit into emptying its magazines into a crowd of screaming 'protestors'.
     
    How could you do that? A well-timed and well-aimed single shot at the militia unit? 
     
    In Northern Ireland, nearly fifty years ago, a batallion of British 'paras' -- their Airborne -- faced a similar situation.  And started shooting.  A huge victory for the IRA.  Read about it here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
     
    Normally, the hot air merchants  --  "Time to do something NOW!" -- are just amusing, or annoying.  They do the work of the enemy, probably without realizing it.
    But in this situation, such a person could do something which would result in an enormous propaganda defeat for us.
     
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    Doug1943 reacted to Matt In West Virginia in Stand Down from HIGH ALERT, Charleston, WV:   
    ALERT: ALERT:

    Ladies and Gentlemen be advised that an organized protest has been abruptly scheduled for today at 12 o'clock (see link below) in Charleston, WV. These organized protests are not about any issue other than promoting hate by socialists. These people are literally hired, paid and bussed from all over the country to destroy property, beat civilians, they have killed one shop owner, burn and pillage. If this domestic terrorism spreads to any of our locations, it will be time to gather and take action to protect our communities, homes and families. 

    WARNING: These are hired domestic terrorists bought and paid for by the socialist conglomerates in America.

    I knew one day they would be coming to West Virginia. Today's the day.

    These are Domestic Terrorists Hired By Socialists: Click on link and read comments to see video of one store owner these people have murdered:
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Ideological Gambler in Should militias take action and protect local businesses from looters   
    Here's the statement of the national leadership of the Three Percenters -- Original.
    It seems very sensible to me:
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    Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    May 31, 2020
    National Council
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO ALL TTPO MEMBERS
    RE: Response to Riots Across the U.S.
    As we watch the violent riots going on across the U.S. currently, we would like to address our organization's position in the matter. The Three Percenters - Original recognizes and appreciates the right of peaceful protests through marches and assembly. However, violent and destructive riots and blatant theft are criminal behaviors that dishonor the search for justice.
    As TTPO we will not stand to see these individuals destroy our America, destroy American businesses and rise against our government in such a violent manner. We will also not respond in the same violent manner. As a member, we encourage you to join or organize peaceful counter-protests. Violence should not be our response at this time. If attending a peaceful protest this should be done without battle-rattle, no open carry, and in soft clothing.
    Leaders please note: If you plan on attending, you must have a strategic plan that includes headcount in and out, maps, comms, medic, ingress/egress points, etc. Avoid all acts of violence, but if necessary, only in self defense. Safety above all.
    National Council
    The Three Percenters - Original
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    Doug1943 got a reaction from Headhunter in battle flags   
    No one knows the future, and the particular divisions and alliances that might occur in a future conflict.  We might see the Southwest wanting to break away and unite with Mexico  or become an independent Aztlan, (persuaded, perhaps, by the narco cartels, aiming for a state they control completely, instead of one like the present Mexican government, which just shares power with them).  We might see a strong upsurge in Black nationalism, with the idea of a 'Republic of New Afrika' become a rallying point. We might even have a strong alliance with the western Canadian provinces, where there are a lot of people unhappy with the Canadian plunge into politically-correct thought control.  No one can say. 
     
    Keep in mind this: America is 13% Black. For them, whatever the historical reality, the Confederate Flag now means the Ku Klux Klan. So anyone flying that flag can count on the absolute visceral hatred of the Black population, possibly the Hispanic as well.  And, in my opinion, they wouldn't be wrong, either.  While if Young Patriot honors the Confederate Flag, or if I do, it means a certain sort of nostalgia ... a lot of the people who like that flag like it for precisely the wrong reasons: it means a whites-only society.  I might invite a turkey to my Christmas dinner, and mean no harm, but generally, turkeys will wisely avoid such invitations.
     
    As for the South: it's not an all-white society. About 20% of the South is Black. Why make automatic enemies of them? (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2014/12/10/the-south-remains-a-black-white-region/)
     
    Now .. realistically, I would be very surprised if in some future struggle, a large fraction of the Black population opted to join the patriots. But we needn't make a virtue of a regrettable fact.  Some Black people will opt to join us, understanding that they are  likely to have a better future in a non-racialist Constitutional Republic rather than in whatever insane Frankenstein of a state the Left puts together, trying to placate Muslim fundamentalists and militant homosexuals at the same time, while opening their borders and offering free everything to everyone.
     
    But there is a more important reason that we should positively strive to have as many non-whites as possible in the patriotic movement, if possible in positions of leadership: the prominent participation of non-whites in the patriotic movement, besides being an accretion of numerical strength, will also serve a very useful purpose: it will help calm the doubts and fears of the broad middle of American society that we are really crazy racists.  It will neutralize some, and bring others over to us.   And don't forget that the American military is now about 40% non-white.
     
    And this battle for the middle is the most crucial battle of all. If we win it, we've won. If we don't win it, things will be  ... difficult.  And 'winning' doesn't mean bringing them over to the patriotic side ... it means making them think, "Well, if they want to leave, let them. Why not? They've got some crazy ideas, but they're not Nazis."   (It's not accidental that the Progressive Left love to call us 'Nazis'. They do that for a reason -- it's an attempt to sterilize the ground around us, so that no one will listen to us.)
     
    So ... fly that Confederate Flag at family reunions, if your family are Southerners.  But making it part of the patriot movement means pushing over, potentially, several hundred thousand, maybe several million, people to the other side.
     
    Hell , sing this song at your family reunion, if you want to. Just keep it private!  (For that matter, there are probably things some Black people say in private about whites, that they are too polite, or too politic, to say in public. This is how life is.)
     
     

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