Tantrum

3 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

Lots of crazy here.

 

And many statements that are bringing smiles to the faces of the Justice Department scribes, copying it all for future re-play in court.

 

Here's the reality:  if the militia movement -- all 10 000 members of it (okay, all 20 000 members of it) get into a shoot-out with government forces, of a government that still has widespread legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people -- then it will be destroyed.    No matter how many people in the military are conservatives, the fact is, they are not going to rebel against a government that has legitmacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people.  And you will NOT defeat the American military, if it's acting as an intact body.

 

Now ...  what are the chances that we will have a government -- I'm talking about the national government -- that does NOT have legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the American people?

In other words, a government that is seen by tens of millions of people -- not just by a few tens of thousands -- to have lost its democratic mandate to rule.

 

Under such circumstances, there will some coherent opposition leadership -- almost certainly made up of elected representatives -- which will be asserting its authority as the legitimate, if perhaps temporary and interim -- government. 

 

Then we can expect the military to divide, or remain neutral -- in any event, not to act as a cohesive force.  And that is the ONLY circumstance in which 'resistance' can win.

 

It is not now possible to predict how these circumstances -- a divided country, with an alternate government -- could come about.  We are in uncharted waters here.

 

But that they could come about ... it's not impossible.  The country is becoming more and more divided.  The Left has thrown in its lot with the inner-city underclass, and withillegal immigrants. If it comes to power, it may resort to confiscatory taxation.  If we're lucky, there will arise in the Far Left a genuine terrorist movement  (AntiFa is a joke), that will begin to bomb police stations and assassinate those it doesn't like.  (The left-nationalist Montoneros in Argentina in the early 70s were 'urban guerillas', under a democratically-elected regime they didn't like.  Finally, after years of bombings and assassinations,  which killed over a thousand soldiers and policemen, the military made a coup, and wiped out the Montoneros (and anyone else they didn't like) utterly.

 

The Montoneros, and a similar group, the ERP (Revolutionary Armed Forces of the People) were FAR more professional and serious and committed than the militia movement in the US today, by the way. They were mainly young middle-class ex-students without family committements. (More about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros    However, be warned that this particular Wiki article is very poorly written, and shows signs of partisan Leftist influence.)   The result of all their killing was to turn Argentine public opinion against them ... so that the military coup was tolerated, even blamed on the Leftist killers for provoking it.

 

No one knows the future. There are too many unknowns. Another possible path would be for the US to get a far Left government with only a partial democratic mandate. This happened to Salvador Allende in Chile, elected with a 35% plurality of the vote in a multi-candidate election, who never had more than 50% of the public with him, and whose attempts to introduce socialism led to chaos, and finally to a military coup.  The Far Left helped things along when it assassinated a conservative politician.  Like some people in the militia movement today, the Far Left (the MIR, 'Movement of the Revolutionary Left' ) generated a lot of chest-pounding hot-air, and actually probably had about 5000 armed members, with a base in the slums.  They were utterly annihilated.

 

So long as the national government has legitimacy in the eyes of the American people, armed confrontation would be suicide, and would destroy the hopes of renewing the Republic (perhaps on a smaller territory than the US now occupies). In addition, so long as civil liberties are maintained, it would be anti-democratic -- opposed to the very idea for which we should be standing, a republic whose leaders are chosen by the people, under the rule of law. 

 

Until we have a government that has demonstrated its lack of legitimacy, we must be legal and peaceful. 

 

There is so much to do that we can do  legally and peacefully that we are not doing right now!

This is exactly the kind of sense talking we need. Everyone needs to generate an overwhelming amount of propaganda. That’s what we are currently fighting, a Cold War of propaganda. So how’s the American public opinion goes history. 
 

Stop remaining silent and start networking with everyone you know. Too many militia members fulfill the stereo type. This was is fought in suits with handshakes, not plate carriers with grenades. 
 

Prepare to preserver liberty at all cost and with physical force if necessary. But peaceful means are far more fruitful...

1 hour ago, Thunder said:

I'm not much of an organizer. But I think it is time to, and make moves... big ones. So tired of seeing all the internet hipe of everyone saying they're ready, yet I hear of nothing real. How far would you want to take it? You want to protest/gather, just to be ignored and swept under the rug? That's what happens when you talk to a politician. Or do you want to throw their laws to the curb and force them to either lead this country, right by us... or lead it ourselves. 

A revolution is a war of public opinion. Why? The public is the base from which all state power is derived through resources: man power, connections, funding, supplies, etc. This movement needs published works to guide the hearts and minds of the public prior to and during any action. We need people to be sold on the movement: influencers, celebrities, athletes, politicians, etc. Without the public knowing you before hand, anyone who challenges the states monopoly on force is labeled a Terror Organization. Look at Antifa. The public doesn’t know much about them so they defer to the narrative which is now very bad. That needs to be combated immediately, persistently, and openly. That leads to an open narrative and organization without fear of persecution. 

People are waking up from the media lies only to find themselves in another media/narrative controlled dream through fear. It’s better situation than the willful ignorance displayed over the last decade.  But action, without public support or at least understanding and recognition, leads to losing public opinion and once it’s lost its a much harder decision to overturn. That’s why no one has acted yet, with out the support of the people your just a “terrorist looking for political gain.” Win the public, you win history. 

I have recently started on a pamplet/book to publish. I need a network of people to distribute it and help get it published. Who knows people that can help or connect us to someone who can help? 

4 hours ago, RevRifleman said:

 

This is just the classic example of some animals not being as equal as others.  They can openly discuss and push their anti-American rhetoric, how they want to dismantle the Constitution, how they want to fundamentally transform our nation... and nothing happens to them.  Ever.  Anyone who opposes them gets shamed, dragged through the mud, loses their job, and gets labeled as a horrible racist, bigot, phobe, etc.  Yet, if we even slightly hint at wanting to take our nation back, to defend the Constitution, to put a stop to the communist take-over... you might get your home raided and end up with a few extra holes in your body.  We can't even talk about what we might need to do or what we might have to do without the risk of a three or four letter group smashing in our doors at 4 a.m.  The left, on the other hand, can talk all day long.  Heck, they can crack your skull with a bike lock and get off with a slap on the wrist.  It's only going to get worse and more oppressive in the years ahead.

 

People, including myself, have asked the question... where is the line?  We never find it because it keeps moving... eventually that line is going to be the cliff that we fall over.    

Red Flag Laws are unconstitutional and they are the perfect move to scare opponents of the left into silence. We are even afraid to bring others into shooting sports because “they’ll know what I have.”

if you’re sick of it, organize. Numbers equal power. 

Thank you, if you would like to attend one together I have some friends also interested. I will reach out to Mike and ask about scheduling. Thank you again! 

Definitely interested! I didn’t see any medical, all shooting, but I may have missed in. 

Perhaps we could meet or exchange contact information and schedule some trainings or gatherings. I for one am interested in medical training if anyone has experience. 

Anyone in AZ yet?