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On 5/20/2020 at 9:13 AM, Outrider said:

Run a quick Google search on the word "Militia," see what pops up first and is further repeated as you scroll down. "Right-wing extremist," "White Supremacists," "Conspiracy theory nuts." All words linked to and frequently used to describe Militias or members of a Militia. 

 

How do you change that perception?

 

Why not use skills and abilities that should be staples of any Militia? Examples of those would be, but are not limited to: General Preparedness, Emergency Medical training, Community service, emergency communications, disaster relief aid. We need to change and alter what the Word, "Militia," means to people; Be able to offer assistance to those in need in a multitude of ways. I think there has been too much of a narrow minded focus on the combatant mindset for those in and thinking of joining a Militia. To expand beyond the traditional meaning and purpose is, to me, the next logical step. 

 

Some thought on how to go about it: Train and become as proficient as professionals with as many practical skills as possible. Then offer those skills to the community in both good times and bad. Build and cultivate good relationships with local Sheriffs, Fire Cheifs, and Emergency responder dispatch. If they become overwhelmed in really bad situations, offer assistance in any way we can, even with small or menial tasks. Help coordinate with local officials such as a Mayors office or Town Council. 

 

Starting small will be important though. Cities like Indy, South Bend, Fort Wayne, Gary to name a few will plainly ignore any aid offered until a good relationship with a number of small towns is well established. 

 

Lastly, something to be avoided as a primary means of recruitment or outreach is a focus on firearms, weapons and defensive training. I, in no way, think that it should be excluded in what active members training should include. However, if it's the very first thing that people are exposed to when interacting with Milita members, it's only going to serve to perpetuate the current negative image. 

 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I have a lot of professional training in Marketing. Many of those search results you see are do to poorly designed media by Militia members. With some technical skills, a good knowledge of how search engines work, some should long term key words and co sostent positive content surrounding what you speak of the search results can be changed. In my mind, that is one of the first steps, the vast majority of people go to the web first for info. 

Second is having people in local Militas that actually respond. I've personally been waiting a month for a meeting with the local "Militia". Communication has been horrible, instructions not followed through with and the appearance of very little interest. If that is happening to me, I cant imagine what happens to others that are interested as well. It makes me believe the local group is just a bunch of redneck LARP'ers that like to get together and play millitary... by the way... that's the perception of most of the popluation.... wonder why. 

If there is a group of people that are serious and interested, willing to start from scratch, let's talk. 

Who has the info? 

Everyone should be concerned not only about his latest tweets but the executive order he just signed regulating social media. More freedoms being taken under the disguise of "fairness". 

13 minutes ago, Hamphire Co. Patriot group said:

Megatron Sir,

 

I think you have a  great idea. To influence as many Americans as possible helps to our end cause.

 

 

Megatron doesnt believe it will make a difference... you realize that right? 

53 minutes ago, Megatron said:

90 percent of the population will stay home and enjoy it because the government told them to fear it.  They see militia and think nut jobs.  Unless you can curb the nut Jobs who seem to find news station and rant about killing Mexicans.  You cant even begin 

Again... Propaganda war. Currently, you are a causality. 

25 minutes ago, Megatron said:

Not really,   the sheep dont pay attention to anything.  Hell's angels have food drives and does that change the image ?

 

I rather just say be a good citizen and help whenever you can.  Push a guy out of a snow bank or help a lady change a tire.  ....  the perks of a militia.....  nobody will honestly care.  Finding people who have both the drive and heart to join will come from themselves. 

 Hey Megatron, unfortunately this country is in the Propaganda stage of a revolution. This looks completely different than LARPing. Educating the uninformed and convincing the undecided are crucial to the continuation of a constitutional revolution. Some people are only in it for the physical fight, but the fighting goes much further than and looks much different than what you've described, though those are important elements of creating a positive image for Militias, they reflect more on yourself than a grouping of organized individuals.  There are 2 generations of people currently that don't understand what Militia is. Let's provide them with the opportunity to learn. 

As for the Hell's Angles food drives. My guess is the image the recipients have of the organization is much different than the vast public perception. Hells Angles have created the image they desire and are comfortable with that. Why should the Militia strive for anything less? Unless an effort is put forth, we will always be stuck with other people's impression or interpretation instead of pushing the message we choose. 

51 minutes ago, Matt In West Virginia said:

(If this post bores you or is too long to be of interest, maybe the last paragraph or two will suffice. There are times when I don't have the time for something unusually long myself)

Boy, what a deep well we've opened here. Eh?

The world "politics had ONE corporate meaning in 1878. Since then, it has literally split 4 or 5 ways to mean 4 to 5 DIFFERENT things. In this day and time, it's almost impossible to talk with people on the fly about "politics" not knowing which definition they reference, and most people will use all the different definitions in 6 different sentences of the same discussion.

So for ME, we would have to 1st define WHICH definition everyone is using, THEN try to remember who will be using what definition, lol. See how confusing it is? HAHAHA. 

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about and ya'll tell me if you want to hear more before we open the library to the public:
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In 1828, Noah Webster put out what will always be the best English dictionary in circulation. All of the modern day dictionaries include the many rabbit trails and falsehoods blazed by hired liberal wordsmiths designed to lead us as a society in certain directions. And man-howdy! It works! Just change the words now day and you can turn bullets into water balloons of people that are homosexuals into very happy (gay) people. 

According to Noah, the word "politics" means:

POL'ITICS, noun The science of government; that part of ethics which consists in the regulation and government of a nation or state, for the preservation of its safety, peace and prosperity; comprehending the defense of its existence and rights against foreign control or conquest, the augmentation of its strength and resources, and the protection of its citizens in their rights, with the preservation and improvement of their morals. Politics as a science or an art, is a subject of vast extent and importance.

That's quite a mouthful, isn't it? Powerful. Educated. Responsible. Incredibly intuitive even in a complicated world of "civilized" (and uncivilized) nations. Eh? If you'll notice, THIS definition is SPECIFIC to America. "America's particular brand of politics" is born from a very special group of men that had studied the governments of all the world, analysed their strong points, their weaknesses, identified things within certain ones that could be used for benefit in our own government, and those that should forever be guarded against... as well as provide Constitutional bounds for both. Quite the accomplishment and I would make the argument that somehow, it took more than just the "minds of men" to create what we call today our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Religion was not to be controlled by our government. A lack of religion should not be persecuted, but protected. Our Founders made a way for that. Neither was religion to be ignored. Our Founders did not ignore it, but instead included what they believed that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. They believed government's role in our lives was to protect our rights, life, liberty and the environment we have to pursue happiness.

In this sense... sticking to the original definition of "politics" before the various wordsmiths hack it to shreds and scattered it in the winds of globalisation, "politics" could be said to mean, "A WAY OF LIFE". I mean, if anyone can tell me of something within the lives of Americans that doesn't fall under the concept above, I'd like to hear it. Everything about being American... these founding ideas are the ONLY things that "DEFINE" what it is to be American.
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So here is what the wordsmiths have done to the word politics and in the process, dumbed down our understanding just because we stay so confused we don't even know we are veering off:

Here's what I scraped from the internet as a definition of politics:
 

politics (*beware)

[ˈpäləˌtiks]

 

NOUN

1. the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.

   "the president's relationship with Congress is vital to American politics" · 

   [more]

   synonyms:

   government · local government · affairs of state · public affairs · diplomacy · party politics

   • **the activities of governments concerning the political relations between countries.
     "in the conduct of global politics, economic status must be backed by military capacity"
   • **the academic study of government and the state.
     "a politics lecturer"
     synonyms:

     political science · civics · statecraft · statesmanship · polity
   • **activities within an organization that are aimed at improving someone's status or position and are typically considered to be devious or divisive.
     "yet another discussion of office politics and personalities"
   • **a particular set of political beliefs or principles.
     "people do not buy this newspaper purely for its politics"
     synonyms:

     political views/beliefs/leanings/sympathies · party politics · political alliance
   • **(the politics of)
     the assumptions or principles relating to or inherent in a sphere, theory, or thing, especially when concerned with power and status in a society.
     "the politics of gender"
     synonyms:

     power struggle · manipulation · machination(s) · manoeuvring · jockeying for position · wheeler-dealing · machiavellianism · opportunism · realpolitik

      

     THESE are today's "globalist" definitions of politics. As you can see, not even leaving the subject of definition, we are talking about one encompassing idea originally intended for America, to the same word having FIVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS, ALL OF THEM pointing to globalism.

      

     Globalist authoritarian (Deep State) politicians of today do not want Americans to remember our origins properly, given any subject. Our fundamental foundation being only one of them, but one that supports everything else American. So it's kind of vital we get this right... but we're not. As you can see, I could spend probably a week in the classroom with students just unpacking what I've listed here.
     
     As we can all see from the responses thus far, many of us are on different pages when it comes to the definition of the word politics, and some are straying to subjects outside the question... which is completely normal, but distracting from the given subject. That's all just my brain firing on the two brain cells I have left of course, and that only after a half pot of coffee in retirement on a rainy day.
     ~~~

     
     First? I would have to clarify my definition of "politics" is the original as stated by Noah Webster in 1828. To fight for any specific cause, you have to be on the CORRECT battlefield... not just "a" battlefield. The original definition defines the word in American fashion.
     
     Now for the atmosphere? I have a hashtag I use frequently on appropriate news articles: #DeepStateVsAmerica ... That pretty much sums it up for me though the details are many. The Deep State was born over 80 years ago when The New Deal was enacted from 1933 to 1939 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. It has been quietly and in many cases secretly, growing and creating law (regulations) for Americans to live by even though they are unelected officials. They are corrupt to the core and their roots and tentacles are literally everywhere, from domestic education to foreign policy. They have become quite accustomed to preparing college students and grooming them to become President's that they can control while in office so that they can literally govern this nation in every aspect from the shadows behind the government created veils that cloak them from the public. They have been internally bolstering the defenses by changing laws until now, there's hardly anything that is illegal for the upper echelon... Commoners, or people outside their control are prosecuted and dealt harsh penalties... all IN HOUSE. The powers our Founders said that should be separated such as legislative (power to make law), executive (power to enforce law), and judicial (power to judge), all are found conveniently within the SAME office of the "Administrative State", such as the Justice Department for example. The number of differing offices of the Deep State are literally now too numerous to count, and they literally CONTROL us with their law.
     
     The "atmosphere" right now in Washington is a battle for survival. It is going on between the Deep State and ANYONE that stands in their way or is threatening to them, including and most especially, this President. The Deep State might not have chosen this specific time to make their hail mary for full control of America, but President Trump has FORCED them into a battle of survival. Either the Deep State is going down, or America will. President Trump is doing more than I thought even humanly possible. But it shouldn't be entirely on him. I've let this happen all my life. Though I must say, I wasn't able to prove a damned thing concerning the Deep State ALL MY LIFE until President Trump. And THAT shit is just really starting to hit the fan.
     
     I'm going to be in for doing all I can to help. For me it's not about Democrat, Republican oir any other name. It's about America or anti-America. Democrats are COMPLETELY siold out to wealthy globalists and have no qualms selling whatever they can of America to the highest bidder.
     
     Republicans have our RINO's and if we were paying attention, we could tar and feather those people. But even with them, voting straight red would give a a 2/3 majority in the Senate AND the House of Reps, which is WHAT WE NEED TO SUPPORt THIS PRESIDENT. THIS President would know how to provide focus to Republicans at this time. He would know how to lead them to changing all the Deep State laws that exist now to help prevent this from ever happening again. We are NOT going to get this done with the Deep State Capital Employees and the national Deep State activist media distracting everyone.
     
     Democrats need to be put down and NO ONE can do that but US.

Wow Matt. That's a ton of information, a very detailed and educated comment too. I absolutely respect a man that chooses to educate themselves on a position and a belief.

Thanks so much for posting this, it's the type of information we should all read. Love the history of the word "politics", I didnt know that.

Do you think as people attempt to change definitions (conservatives and liberals are both guilty of this), we should be establishing an effort to educate communities to "root" definitions (I dont know what to call them)? 

On 5/18/2020 at 10:57 AM, Liberty Prime said:

How much should the Patriot Militia be

Influenced or involved in politics?  Very little.

 

The patriot Militia should be apolitical to an extent. 

 

The part of Us being Patriots is what gives our message strength. A militia is nothing more than a group of armed non state actors. 

Patriots should be dedicated to defending the values of Liberty. Which is a philosophical view point.

 

 

How much does politics influence the Patriot Militia? A solid amount. 

 

Today politics and identity are nearly indistinguishable sometimes. This is why the movement is littered with individuals using the movement as a shield to push their political agenda. 

This probably also why we struggle breaking our beyond crowds that already agree with Us politically.

 

 

Principles are largely objective and apolitical. 

 

 

In my opinion this is a pretty solid view point. 

Thanks for the comment! 

Hey guys. Wanted to start a post here to see if anyone is involved in activities aimed at educating the public to the benefits of the Militia OR if anyone would want to put something together? I'd like an opportunity to present our constitutional rights to interested people in the public. 

I'm not talking about getting together in our kits at the courthouse. I'm talking about a food drive or feeding the homeless accompanied with a positive focused media outlet. 

Let's make a difference. Yeah? 

50 minutes ago, Megatron said:

The separation of church and state isnt to not allow church in state but not a central religion like the catholic church is.     Islam only wants you to submit die or pay a tax and be second class citizens.

 

The role we play in politics is simple.    You're supposed to be fighting tyrannical people and government or defending the country from invaders.    However most miltias members have a public school education and dont have a firm understanding of the history of this country. 

Thanks for commenting! 

It seems like the history books have changed every decade. My opinion is that it's been propaganda from the start. What type of action is the Militia currently taking to combat this difference of education? 

I dont much mind what role individuals choose to play in politics, but I am attentive to the role we (individual people, including myself) allow politics to play in the Militia. 

This post was meant to be directed at the role politics inadvertently play in our daily lives and an example how different view points can be a strength. Sadly it looks like we have confused church and state and have been discussing religious beliefs of others. This is a great example of how closely the two subjects are intertwined and how different perspectives of other cultures dictate individual views. Maybe someone else would like to start a discussion on religion? I dont perfer to, as my interest in the Militia and my brothers in the Militia doesnt depend on their personal religious preference, I will say, lifestyle is very important, what a person does is very important, what a person believes is their own business. In my opinion of course. Moving forward, let's stick to the post topic and discussions on other topics can be had in PM. Thanks. 

On 5/16/2020 at 1:45 PM, Unvbill said:

Militia is a generic term. It is citizens fighting in a military style and tactics. It is NOT people prepping and hiding. It is people PHYSICALLY fighting for their beliefs against a common enemy. 
 

The word Militia has been by people all around the world and it always comes so to citizens fighting a common enemy. The word itself has nothing to do with political leanings. (I am sure someone will now look up a dictionary and dispute common knowledge)
 

In South America you may see militia fighters for and against a government all the time. Same can also be seen at times in Eastern Europe.

Thanks for commenting! 

🙂 In my personal opinion the opportunity for the Milita here in North America far supersedes physically fighting using millitary style tactics, the reward is far more important as well. Though an aspect of militia is training to be prepared for any and all circumstances, if training is only reserved for physical combat we will never be able to educate the population on the true constitutional freedoms available and will continue to be viewed in a negative light. 

13 minutes ago, Skillet said:

 

If you decide to go with them do your research and make sure you get the right size the fist time. Also some people can't stand in ear protection, If you've worn the .mil triple flange type these are kind of like that but have a little bit of a curve to the flange which makes them a bit more comfortable. If you use a comms tube and trim it down make sure you leave enough slack for full head movement or it'll pull on the plug and irritate the crap out of your ear. After the first day of wearing them the ring chaffed the inside of my earlobe a bit. Blistex in the tube fixed that right up.

Fantastic!! Thank you!! 

32 minutes ago, Unvbill said:

Militia is a generic term. It is citizens fighting in a military style and tactics. It is NOT people prepping and hiding. It is people PHYSICALLY fighting for their beliefs against a common enemy. 
 

The word Militia has been by people all around the world and it always comes so to citizens fighting a common enemy. The word itself has nothing to do with political leanings. (I am sure someone will now look up a dictionary and dispute common knowledge)
 

In South America you may see militia fighters for and against a government all the time. Same can also be seen at times in Eastern Europe.

Thanks for commenting! 

🙂 In my personal opinion the opportunity for the Milita here in North America far supersedes physically fighting using millitary style tactics, the reward is far more important as well. Though an aspect of militia is training to be prepared for any and all circumstances, if training is only reserved for physical combat we will never be able to educate the population on the true constitutional freedoms available and will continue to be viewed in a negative light. 

11 minutes ago, Skillet said:

 

I've used a lot of different hearpro including Peltors but I always go back to these. FYI they are comms tube compatible and the impluse noise reduction works.

Great info! Thanks! 

6 minutes ago, Doug1943 said:

The militia movement should be open to all patriots, regardless of their political beliefs. Obviously some political beliefs -- like AntiFa's -- would preclude their participation in a patriotic militia.

 

But otherwise ... the movement should be open to all.  Of course, most participants, today, will be on the 'Right' -- conservatives of one sort or another, or libertarians.  As a practical matter, most

participants will probably be Republicans, or people who generally vote Republican. But that should not be a condition of membership. Nor should a militia unit endorse a party, although they might well want to endorse (or work for) this or that candidate, if there is a clear choice between, say, a pro-2A and an anti-2A candidate.

 

Could someone who is not a conservative be a good militia member? Well, would anyone want to turn this man down, if he had lived?

 

I believe that as individuals militia people should be as active in politics as they can be ... joining the party of their choice and being active in it, and even running for office if that's appropriate. If a militia unit can bring out enough people (two or three dozen, minimum) to make it worth a candidate's time to speak to them, they should invite candidates to do so -- from all sides.  This will help 'mainstream' the movement, and make politicians more aware of it and its opinions. 

A lot of wisdom and experience in your reply Doug. Thank you for sharing! 

Hey guys and gals. Let's talk about politics here. I want to start off by saying this can be a volatile subject if we let it. Many people are very passionate about their political affiliation, let's all remember that it's ok if everyone doesn't believe the same as we do and actually the difference in beliefs is a strength. It's ok to speak with emotion, but let's try not to speak out of emotion. Above all, let's respect each other a freedom loving Americans. 

All that being said, what are some of your thoughts on the currently political atmosphere? Personally, I dont believe Republicans or Democrats have our freedom and the peoples best interest in mind. What that means to me is, I believe each of those parties have an adjenda that is self serving. I believe the Libertarian party lacks organization and an outline foundation they can base ethics and morals on. 

What are your thoughts? 

11 hours ago, Dav Harzin said:

yep , I have the same prob with muffs with a AR stock...so the cheap ear plugs for now.

I use the orange ones that you can pick up at a big box store, they work pretty good and are comfortable. Have you ever tried the insert plugs that allow you to hear then noise cancel? Posted a pic of ones I've been thinking of trying out. 

Hi everyone. My last conversation about Communication Equipment had some great discussion and information, even found people within our area that have broad experience (hint, hint). 

Now let's talk another important area... Hearing Protection! What kind of hearing protection do you all use when target shooting? Does it interfere with your rifle stock? Is it easy to put on, take off? Can you hear your radio (coms) while you have it on? Anyone have experience with combat style hearing protection? 

I'm looking forward to some answers here as I use the typical over the ear style muff, but I've had to raise my optic on my rifle to accommodate the muff hitting the adjustable stock (standard buffer tube with Minimalist butt plate). If I had to use a different rifle in a pinch my hearing protection would be nullified. 

What do ya all think? 

On 5/12/2020 at 12:51 AM, IndyRipper said:

Well I did all that and it looks great- I suppose my question is- is there meet ups? Training? Schedules of any kind? 

Hi Indy. I wanted to reach out to you real quick and let you know we are in the process of getting organized and should have direction shortly. Hang in there brother and in the mean time please ask any questions you have on tactics, gear, state of our economy, freedom or other topic. 👍

22 hours ago, Kenguythe rooster said:

Sounds great brother,,, I can pretty much work around your schedule.. 

I'm pretty flexible as well. Things are starting to open back up, let's get together for coffee or breakfast? I'm open on the day and location. 

1 hour ago, Outrider said:

Hey folks, as a Licensed HAM operator, (KD9NXL) If you can afford something better than a Baofeng, get that instead. Good brands to get: Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, to name a few.  Reason being is that while Baofengs are affordable, their quality suffers quite a bit and as a result, they are not as durable and don't produce as clean a signal as better HT's. (Handy Talky) 

 

Also, it is currently illegal to use them to transmit on FRS or GMRS frequencies, as the FCC has not licensed them to do so, even though they can. 

 

I encourage everyone though, to get a radio, learn to use it, and get your license now, Baofeng or not. 

This is great info. Good to know we have a very knowledgeable person with a lot of info on communication. Could you post or give some instruction on getting a HAM license and the benefits of having it? Thanks!! 

I am open to meeting somewhere for a meet and greet? 

8 minutes ago, Ken Guy said:

Actually excellent idea,,short wave ham radio at Walmart 140 $ needs to be very high on must have list. 

I use the Boafeng UV-5R. You can get them on Amazon for around $25 each. If you dont have a Ham license you can set them up to run on MUR. 

What does everyone use for communication radios? Anyone have a Ham Radio license?