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Debate Post-Mortem: "Bad Hombres", "Putin Puppets", Chris Wallace Wins "Bigly"

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The debate started with 'no handshakes' once again and while there was no 'dancing' around the ring, a quiet, polite start rapidly turned ugly once the two candidates warmed up. Second Amendment supporting Trump slammed babyslaying Clinton; questions over who was the biggest "puppet"; Trump declined to support election result and threw a "such a nasty woman" comment across the stage. While it was a close-call between Trump and Hillary, for once we suggest Chris Wallace wins tonight.

 

 

 

Who won tonight's debate?

 

• 14 say Trump

• 12 say Clinton

• 4 say it was a draw

 

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz)

 

 

 

  • *TWITTER SAYS MOST DEBATE CONVERSATION ABOUT TRUMP, 59%-41%
  • *TRUMP HAD 56% SHARE OF FACEBOOK CONVERSATION, CLINTON 44%: STMT

 

No Handshake....

 

.
and
take the stage for the final

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

* * *

 

Round 1 - SCOTUS - Clinton Win

 

  • Trump subdued, focused on Pro-life, second Amendment, defending constitution
  • Clinton better able to discuss details, knows constitutional court details better.

 

Round 2 - IMMIGRATION - Trump Win

 

  • Trump pushed stronger borders, Clinton focused on "ripping families aprt"
  • Clinton claimed Trump choked on the wall.
  • Clinton pivot to blame Russia for leaks on 'open borders' thrown back in her face.
  • Argument over who is 'puppet'

 

Round 3 - THE ECONOMY - Tie

 

  • Hillary claimed "will add no debt" - which as we know means no growth.
  • Trump slams NAFTA, more of the same Obama policies with Clinton

 

Round 4 - FITNESS TO BE PRESIDENT - Tie

 

  • Sexual harrassment allegations denied aggressively.
  • Wikileaks documents and pay-to-play hard to argue with.
  • Why does Hillary take Saudi money when they kill gay people?
  • Trump focused on donors/special interests when Hillary brought up taxes.
  • "Rigged" discussion well argued by Trump but Hillary made him look 'whiney' and his comment "I will leave you in suspense" did not sound good.

 

Round 5 - FOREIGN HOTSPOTS - Trump Win

 

  • Hillary claims she will defeat ISIS, Trump attacks by pointing out 'element of surprise'.
  • Hillary eloquent, Trump less hawkish.
  • Using WikiLeaks, Trump lands one of his cleanest blows of the night. "John Podesta said some horrible things about you. And he was right."

 

Round 6 - NATIONAL DEBT - Trump Win (Hillary un-credible)

 

  • Focused on Obamacare costs to start
  • Clinton tax wealthy but no growth
  • Trump "massive tax cuts"
  • Biggest lie of the night Clinton: "I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national debt."

 

Round 7 - CLOSING STATEMENT - Tie

 

  • *CLINTON, IN CLOSING ARGUMENT, SAYS WANTS TO BENEFIT ALL IN U.S.
  • *TRUMP SAYS CLINTON WIN WOULD BE FOUR MORE YEARS OF OBAMA PLANS

 

Finally, Mexican Peso settled it...

 

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But then someone panic bid Peso to 'prove' Hillary won?

 

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But of course, just as we started the day...

Trump's refusal to concede an election day loss now leading Politico, CNN, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LAT and BuzzFeed.

 

— CJR (@CJR)

 

* * *

 

1. SCOTUS

 

Second Amendment

 

  • *CLINTON SAYS CENTRAL ELECTION ISSUE WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY TO BE
  • *SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO SIDE WITH U.S. PEOPLE, NOT COS.:CLINTON
  • *CLINTON: MY COURT NOMINEES WOULD STAND UP TO THE `POWERFUL'
  • Clinton mind-blowingly talked about dark-money in politics and its effects on the election.

 

Clinton: "There's no doubt that I respect the Second Amendment."

 

 

 

Clinton: "There's no doubt that I respect the Second Amendment."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

Clinton: "I respect the tradition of gun ownership," but we must have "reasonable regulation"

 

 

 

Hillary Clinton said she supports the Second Amendment while touting the need for comprehensive reform to the nation's gun laws.

 

"I see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the Second Amendment," she said.

 

The Democratic nominee called for comprehensive background checks and closing the gun show lope hole.

 

  • *TRUMP SAYS SUPREME COURT IS `WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT'
  • *TRUMP SAYS SUPREME COURT UNDER CLINTON THREATENS 2ND AMENDMENT
  • *TRUMP: MY JUSTICES WILL BE `PRO-LIFE,' CONSERVATIVE

 

Trump: "Justice Ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements toward me"

 

 

 

.
: "I see no conflict between saving people’s lives and defending the Second Amendment”

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

 

 

Abortion

 

  • *CLINTON: I WILL DEFEND ROE V WADE, PLANNED PARENTHOOD
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP USING `SCARE RHETORIC' ON ABORTION, HEALTH
  • *TRUMP: ROE V WADE COULD GET OVERTURNED IF HIS JUSTICES ADDED

 

 

 

Trump on abortion: "With what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother"

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

2. IMMIGRATION

 

  • *TRUMP REITERATES ARGUMENT FOR STRONGER BORDERS TO COUNTER DRUGS

 

"There are some bad hombres here and we're going to get 'em out"

 

 

 

.
: “We have some bad hombres here and we’re going to get them out”

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

 

 

  • *CLINTON SAYS `MAJOR DISAGREEMENTS' WITH TRUMP ON SUPREME COURT
  • *CLINTON ON DEPORTATIONS: I DON'T WANT TO RIP FAMILIES APART
  • *CLINTON SPEAKS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP `CHOKED' IN MEXICO TRIP
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP USED UNDOCUMENTED LABOR TO BUILD TRUMP TOWER

 

Clinton attempted to pivot away from being pinned on immigration to raising Russia...

 

“You are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks,” Clinton said. “What is really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans. They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions. Then they have given that information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government.”

Clinton called on Trump to reject “Russian espionage.”

 

 

 

Trump shot back: “That was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders.”

 

Clinton called Trump "a puppet"...

 

Clinton on Putin: "He would rather have a puppet as president of the United States."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

He responded...

 

.
, responding to Clinton's Putin puppet remark: "No, you're the puppet"

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

 

 

  • *CLINTON: RUSSIA ESPIONAGE ON ELECTIONS SYSTEM AT HIGHEST LEVELS

 

 

 

.
to
: "That was a great pivot"

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

 

 

3. THE ECONOMY

 

  • *CLINTON: WANT TO HAVE BIGGEST JOBS PROGRAMS SINCE WORLD WAR II
  • *CLINTON: TRUMP'S ECO PLAN COULD LEAD TO ANOTHER RECESSION
  • *TRUMP SAYS CLINTON ECONOMIC PLAN IS A `DISASTER'
  • *TRUMP SAYS U.S. ALLIES SHOULD `PAY UP' FOR DEFENSE COSTS
  • *TRUMP SAYS WOULD RENEGOTIATE NAFTA, IF HE CAN'T WOULD END IT
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP HAS `CROCODILE TEARS' OVER OUTSOURCING
  • *TRUMP: U.S. ECONOMY IS `STAGNANT'; SAYS LAST JOBS REPORT BAD
  • Hillary: "I wont add a penny to the debt"

 

 

 

  • *TRUMP TO CLINTON: YOU TALK BUT YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING DONE

 

"She totally lied about TPP... she did call it the gold standard"...

 

Trump on TPP: "She totally lied, she did call it the gold standard."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

"I am going to renegotiate NAFTA"

 

 

 

Trump: "I am going to renegotiate NAFTA, and if I can't make a great deal, then we're going to terminate NAFTA."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

 

 

4. FITNESS TO BE PRESIDENT

 

  • *TRUMP ON SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ACCUSATIONS: IT'S ALL LIES, FICTION

 

Clinton belittles women...

 

Clinton: "Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

Clinton: "While I was monitoring the Osama bin Laden raid, he was hosting The Apprentice"...

 

.
: While I was monitoring the Osama bin Laden raid,
“was hosting The Apprentice.”

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

 

 

When Clinton took aim at past violence at Trump's rallies, he shot back by saying "she caused the violence." He's referencing new videos from conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe, whose newly-released hidden camera footage purports to show Democratic operatives plotting chaos at a Trump rally in Chicago. O'Keefe has been accused in the past of using selectively-edited video and duping interviewees.

 

  • *CLINTON DESCRIBES CLINTON FOUNDATION AS WORLD-RENOWNED CHARITY
  • *CLINTON SAYS SHE'S HAPPY TO COMPARE HER FOUNDATION W/ TRUMP'S

 

Clinton Foundation a criminal enterprise...

 

.
calls the Clinton Foundation a “criminal enterprise”

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

  • *TRUMP DECLINES TO SAY IF HE'LL ACCEPT ELECTION RESULT
  • *TRUMP ON IF HE'LL ACCEPT ELECTION RESULT: I'LL LOOK AT THE TIME

 

 

 

Trump on whether he will accept election results: "I will look at it at the time."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

  • *CLINTON ON TRUMP NOT SAYING HE'D ACCEPT RESULT: `HORRIFYING'

 

Definitely a problem for Trump...

 

Voters want the candidates to support the election results. No excuses.

 

Hillary did. Trump did not.

 

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz)

 

 

 

 

 

5. FOREIGN HOTSPOTS

 

  • *CLINTON: WON'T BACK U.S. TROOPS IN IRAQ AS OCCUPYING FORCE
  • *TRUMP: WE'LL TAKE MOSUL EVENTUALLY, BUT WHO'S GOING TO GET IT?
  • *TRUMP: IRAN IS TAKING OVER IRAQ, WE'VE MADE IT SO EASY FOR THEM
  • *TRUMP SAYS SYRIA'S ASSAD MUCH SMARTER THAN PEOPLE THOUGHT
  • *TRUMP: IF ASSAD FALLS IN SYRIA, YOU MAY WIND UP WITH WORSE

 

Using WikiLeaks, Trump lands one of his cleanest blows of the night. "John Podesta said some horrible things about you. And he was right."

 

.
: "John Podesta said some horrible things about you. And he was right."
| Getty

 

— POLITICO (@politico)

 

"Whatever happened to the element of surprise?"

 

Trump on Mosul strategy: "What ever happened to the element of surprise?"

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

 

 

 

6. NATIONAL DEBT

 

 

Quickly focused on Obamacare costs

 

  • *OBAMACARE PROBABLY WILL DIE OF ITS OWN WEIGHT, TRUMP SAYS
  • *TRUMP REITERATES CALL TO REPEAL, REPLACE OBAMACARE LAW
  • *CLINTON SAYS WILL `NOT CUT BENEFITS' FROM SOCIAL SECURITY

 

And with the biggest lie of the night... Clinton: "I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national debt."

 

Clinton: "I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national debt."

 

— NBC News (@NBCNews)

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