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What if they made you prove you payed taxes or had a job for more then a month do you think that would stop more people that are p.o.s's from having them making legal gun owners safer from crimes committed by people who legally purchased the weapon used?tell me what you think.

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1 minute ago, Ripcannon said:

What if they made you prove you payed taxes or had a job for more then a month do you think that would stop more people that are p.o.s's from having them making legal gun owners safer from crimes committed by people who legally purchased the weapon used?tell me what you think.

I think that's an infringement, just like all the rest. Inalienable rights are inalienable rights, regardless of employment or social status.

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Yeah definitely agree but as we know there's a day coming sometime maybe soon maybe a while from now but there's a day coming were there's gonna be more regulations so I figure if the gun community talks about a regulation we don't hate and won't affect us non-criminal gun owners maybe when that day comes we can all suggest the same...my bigger goal is to not compromise ever but this makes for a good discussion.

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31 minutes ago, Ripcannon said:

Yeah definitely agree but as we know there's a day coming sometime maybe soon maybe a while from now but there's a day coming were there's gonna be more regulations so I figure if the gun community talks about a regulation we don't hate and won't affect us non-criminal gun owners maybe when that day comes we can all suggest the same...my bigger goal is to not compromise ever but this makes for a good discussion. 

A regulation one group doesn't hate may be the death knell to another.  Our mentality has to be "Not one more freaking inch" otherwise we're just frogs in a pot.

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One liberial President away from pure socialism.   Next round of liberals will promise reparations and tution loan will be dissolved. 

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1 hour ago, Ripcannon said:

Let's hope not!!!!!however when I was 18-19(2008-2009)I figured communism would come to the USA soon.

Already is here.

You're 28... interesting. 

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4 hours ago, Ripcannon said:

What if they made you prove you payed taxes or had a job for more then a month do you think that would stop more people that are p.o.s's from having them making legal gun owners safer from crimes committed by people who legally purchased the weapon used?tell me what you think.

Interesting thought...but this can be easily forged or set up a false front from any business owner. What would more likely happen is someone passing a bill nationally banning all private sales of firearms...then they legislate the small dealers out of business,  then one has no practical way to sell a firearm, and this creates a full paper trail on every firearm going forward.

Legislation...registration...confiscation...decimation...all steps taken by evil regimes upon the free.

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One thing people that are willing to cave on some small area fail to realize is that gun control isn't about safety... it's all about control. and BuryTheHatchet nailed it on how this crap progresses. Today your evil magazines and bumpstock, tomorrow your evil looking rifles. the day after tomorrow scoped "sniper capable" rifles. Next week "close in assasination/execution" rimfire weapons.

This is a war on our rights and you don't win a war with Pyrrhic victories.

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6 minutes ago, CanadianLibertarian said:

Regulations on law abiding citizens doesn't work. The gun control experiment has been a total failure around the world. 

Worked well for the gov.

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On 5/15/2018 at 6:39 PM, Ripcannon said:

What if they made you prove you payed taxes or had a job for more then a month do you think that would stop more people that are p.o.s's from having them making legal gun owners safer from crimes committed by people who legally purchased the weapon used?tell me what you think.

 

The Right to keep and bear Arms is an unalienable Right.  Notice I bolded that word unalienable.  The government did not give you the Right.  It pre-existed.  There was a famous U.S. Supreme Court case wherein the Court ruled:

 

"The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.

 

United States v. Cruikshank92 U.S. 542 (1875)

 

The Court did not say that the Right does not exist.  It does.  It simply is not granted by the Constitution nor the federal government.  Your Right to keep and bear Arms does not depend upon the Constitution.  In those days the United States Supreme Court was upholding the intent of the Second Amendment via  state rulings.  Let me give you a couple of them:

 

"The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!

 

Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846)

 

Our "own Magna Charta" would be the Declaration of Independence.  That document established the principle of unalienable Rights.  

 

The state of Texas weighed in a little later,  They ruled:

 

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power."

 

Cockrum v State  24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)

 

There is no such thing as reasonable gun regulations Nor any kind of regulation when it comes to the Second Amendment or the entire Bill of Rights.   Modern Courts are making a mockery of the Constitution.  It's because we lost sight of what is meant by an unalienable Right.

 

Edited by The Resister
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