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Did you realize that there is only one command stated twice in the Constitution?  It is found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.  It is called the Due Process of Law.  

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process

 

I realize that I'm a PITA in harping on this; however, most people think they know what this is about, but are sorely misled.  This became apparent when I saw this news story:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-advocates-depriving-undocumented-immigrants-of-due-process-rights/ar-AAz62YF?OCID=ansmsnnews11

 

The Constitution (14th Amendment) clearly and unequivocally guarantees "ALL PERSONS" Liberty.  Inherent in that guarantee, is Due Process which is necessary in order to facilitate the Right.  People are being misled into thinking we can pass a law and selectively target so - called "illegal aliens."  I assure you, we cannot.  A case in point is another so-called law, the "Patriot Act."  It was passed on the pretext of protecting us from foreign terrorists.  That is absolutely wrong.  It is applied against U.S. citizens:

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread87019/pg1

 

So Donald Trump wants to target so - called "illegal aliens."  When the liberals get into power, Public Enemy # 1 can be militias, the alt right, "domestic terrorists"  - meaning a lot of you since there is no precedent for Due Process if Trump wins on this one.  I voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils.  Someone needs to school the man.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."  (an excerpt from the Declaration of Independence)  

 

The verdict is in, your Rights are bestowed upon you by a Creator OR a bureaucrat.  

 

 

 

 

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Good points spoken above.

 

The number of laws passed by Congress are very few when compared to the number of ones created by persons in administrative roles in the government. Any select group of persons losing their Due Process is going to be greatly snowballed in the future by these non-elected people in government.

 

The right of private individuals to tell other people where they can and cannot go ends at the edges of their own property.

 

Aliens can also own property, marry, conduct travel, and do quite a few other things just as regular citizens can.

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On 6/28/2018 at 12:19 AM, BuryTheHatchet said:

Good points spoken above.

 

The number of laws passed by Congress are very few when compared to the number of ones created by persons in administrative roles in the government. Any select group of persons losing their Due Process is going to be greatly snowballed in the future by these non-elected people in government.

 

The right of private individuals to tell other people where they can and cannot go ends at the edges of their own property.

 

Aliens can also own property, marry, conduct travel, and do quite a few other things just as regular citizens can.

 

I wanted to thank your for my only response.  I'd like to point out a couple of things:

 

At any given time, SEVEN MILLION Americans are in jail, prison, on probation, or parole.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

 

ALL of those individuals are prohibited from voting.  Meanwhile, "In the last decade, an average of 700,000 people a year became naturalized citizens of the United States. That’s roughly one each year for every 500 U.S residents, or one every 79 seconds..."

 

Unless we return to the original intent of the Constitution, the posterity of the founders will be lost in those numbers, which in turn means that the right (which has developed a hatred for Due Process) will receive none when they become the minority.

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I do agree with your first post but it is not in a vacuum. Invade & conquer has been natural law since Adam & Eve left the Garden. 

The wordsmiths conflate “immigrant” & “alien”. 

What we are witnessing is an INVASION by mass migration. 

Only those who come to America via the LEGAL PATH to Citizenship are actually Immigrants. 

 

Those sneaking in are invaders whether ether or not they carry a weapon or look like an army. 

 

They should be treated as such. Harsh? 

I live in Texas and I HATE going into a grocery store and hear Spanish among the workers. 

 

Once a deli guy said (loud enough for shoppers-me-to hear him) “only Spanish spoken in the bakery!” to which I stopped and said to him in a extremely loud voice “NO! This is Texas, this is AMERICA! Speak English! If you love Mexico so much, GO BACK!” 

God I was PISSED! 

I grew up with Mexicans, my first 2 boyfriends in high school were Mexican (Sonny Sanchez & Tommy Lopez), I have 2 grand daughters whose father’s family is from Mexico (he was born here but his parents were not). 

I am NOT against Hispanics but I am against militant ANYONE, who wants to invade, take over and turn America in a Socialist shit hole like they came from! 

I hate seeing the Mexican flag flying and I hate hearing that music. Call me a bigot, I don’t care. 

I started feeling this way with the growth of LaRaza, etc & seeing the Mexican flag flying over the US flag at the post office in that town in CA!

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On 6/30/2018 at 1:50 PM, ImTexan said:

I do agree with your first post but it is not in a vacuum. Invade & conquer has been natural law since Adam & Eve left the Garden. 

The wordsmiths conflate “immigrant” & “alien”. 

What we are witnessing is an INVASION by mass migration. 

Only those who come to America via the LEGAL PATH to Citizenship are actually Immigrants. 

 

Those sneaking in are invaders whether ether or not they carry a weapon or look like an army. 

 

They should be treated as such. Harsh? 

I live in Texas and I HATE going into a grocery store and hear Spanish among the workers. 

 

Once a deli guy said (loud enough for shoppers-me-to hear him) “only Spanish spoken in the bakery!” to which I stopped and said to him in a extremely loud voice “NO! This is Texas, this is AMERICA! Speak English! If you love Mexico so much, GO BACK!” 

God I was PISSED! 

I grew up with Mexicans, my first 2 boyfriends in high school were Mexican (Sonny Sanchez & Tommy Lopez), I have 2 grand daughters whose father’s family is from Mexico (he was born here but his parents were not). 

I am NOT against Hispanics but I am against militant ANYONE, who wants to invade, take over and turn America in a Socialist shit hole like they came from! 

I hate seeing the Mexican flag flying and I hate hearing that music. Call me a bigot, I don’t care. 

I started feeling this way with the growth of LaRaza, etc & seeing the Mexican flag flying over the US flag at the post office in that town in CA!

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That is all well and good, but has no bearing on those who are working jobs willingly offered and did not twist anyone's arm to hire them, rent to them, sell to them, or otherwise do business with them.  Those working those kinds of jobs and living among you are NOT invaders  (better check Black's Law Dictionary on that one.)  They are invitees.

 

The deliberate flooding of America with foreigners is a National Security issue and should be addressed immediately.

 

If you don't want foreign labor to dominate the workforce, then rehabilitate the MILLIONS in prison and the MILLIONS on drugs.  Rehabilitate them and put them to work.

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Sorry The Resister, I refuse to debate, argue or otherwise get sucked into these diatribes. My mistake was inserting an opinion. 

My daily life does not revolve around your postings... there is a life beyond cyberspace. 

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1 hour ago, ImTexan said:

Sorry The Resister, I refuse to debate, argue or otherwise get sucked into these diatribes. My mistake was inserting an opinion. 

My daily life does not revolve around your postings... there is a life beyond cyberspace. 

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You are always finding new and novel ways to be negative.  Are you sure that this is the right kind of battle for you?

 

If your ideology cannot withstand critical scrutiny by other patriots on a discussion board, do you think it's a slam dunk when you present it to the public?

 

Your life should revolve around God, family, job, nation, community, and duty... pretty much in that order.

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If all gov't support was cut off to aliens in this country, would they leave and tell all willing to listen to stay home? I doubt it...I know that some are here for the quality of life, some are for the $$$, and some are fleeing persecution in their native lands...and all of these things are part of reasons why this nation was founded, so banning entry outright should throw up red flags.  I am ever more leaning towards the side of those not wanting to restrict our liberty to gain prosperity or security. We always end up with issues in future generations when laws and policies cause entanglements with the Constitution. The government grows exponentially every time Congress or a President creates a new department that comes up with its own policies that are laws not passed by Congress. Immigration was made an issue by politicians, used as a wedge between the American people, and it has ballooned to the point that we have a national issue on many fronts.

 

Since the Constitution gives no authority to the government on immigration, the states always have handled their borders, and should keep doing so. It is obvious that people get upset when their culture changes around them, especially when the negative behaviors and illegal activities present themselves. Many foreign cultures exist in my area, primarily due to the attractive benefits of American capitalism.  Are there aliens around? Plenty. Do I get upset at this nation's resources being misused and wasted? Yes. Do I have the authority to tell Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California to block their borders? No. The southern border is obviously a hot point with 170 years of mixed history with Mexico. I am absolutely certain that if a civil war or widespread disaster broke out in American, that groups would try and take back land in the name of Mexico...but that is another topic of discussion for a later time.

 

So the question is...what strategies do we use to address our issues of immigration?

What strategies are in accordance to the Constitution?

Should we fight to cut off federal support for aliens, deter misuse of public funds, and quit discriminating against them as "illegals"?

Find a legal way to physically slow or deter entry, like the National Guard along border? 

 

I am sure there are some solutions to be found if one thinks long enough and creatively works with others.

Back in the late 80s, 60 million US dollars was flowing into Columbia daily due to the sale of cocaine in America. Part of the solution required the help of the Columbian government, and our military aid. I am absolutely certain that curtailing excessive immigration is going to involve the Mexican government and most certainly our state or federal military.

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1 hour ago, BuryTheHatchet said:

If all gov't support was cut off to aliens in this country, would they leave and tell all willing to listen to stay home? I doubt it...I know that some are here for the quality of life, some are for the $$$, and some are fleeing persecution in their native lands...and all of these things are part of reasons why this nation was founded, so banning entry outright should throw up red flags.  I am ever more leaning towards the side of those not wanting to restrict our liberty to gain prosperity or security. We always end up with issues in future generations when laws and policies cause entanglements with the Constitution. The government grows exponentially every time Congress or a President creates a new department that comes up with its own policies that are laws not passed by Congress. Immigration was made an issue by politicians, used as a wedge between the American people, and it has ballooned to the point that we have a national issue on many fronts.

 

Since the Constitution gives no authority to the government on immigration, the states always have handled their borders, and should keep doing so. It is obvious that people get upset when their culture changes around them, especially when the negative behaviors and illegal activities present themselves. Many foreign cultures exist in my area, primarily due to the attractive benefits of American capitalism.  Are there aliens around? Plenty. Do I get upset at this nation's resources being misused and wasted? Yes. Do I have the authority to tell Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California to block their borders? No. The southern border is obviously a hot point with 170 years of mixed history with Mexico. I am absolutely certain that if a civil war or widespread disaster broke out in American, that groups would try and take back land in the name of Mexico...but that is another topic of discussion for a later time.

 

So the question is...what strategies do we use to address our issues of immigration?

What strategies are in accordance to the Constitution?

Should we fight to cut off federal support for aliens, deter misuse of public funds, and quit discriminating against them as "illegals"?

Find a legal way to physically slow or deter entry, like the National Guard along border? 

 

I am sure there are some solutions to be found if one thinks long enough and creatively works with others.

Back in the late 80s, 60 million US dollars was flowing into Columbia daily due to the sale of cocaine in America. Part of the solution required the help of the Columbian government, and our military aid. I am absolutely certain that curtailing excessive immigration is going to involve the Mexican government and most certainly our state or federal military.

 

The thing of it is, people are coming here from south of the border and it cannot be stopped for three reasons:

 

1)  The solution does not fit on a bumper sticker

2)  As many Americans are inviting the foreigners here as there are those offended by it

3)  Until the American people own their part in the issue, it will continue regardless of what path you take

 

Having been involved IN this issue for decades and having tried to have discussions where all sides participate, I'm of the opinion that the people are going to force the United States Supreme Court legislate from the bench on this one and NOBODY is going to like their decision.  Can we look at the facts for once:

 

ONE of the roots to this problem lies in the demise of the American family.  Most children come from single parent homes or highly dysfunctional homes.  While children are very young, the parents employ the worst possible kinds of parenting skills.  They feed their kids diets high in fats, sugar and all the crap you shouldn't eat.  Then they use computers, laptops, etc, in order to babysit those children.  Unable to accept what they did wrong, they then go to the doctor wherein children are prescribed Ritalin or Adderall for their supposed hyperactivity.  As they progress and get older they obtain opoids (whether legal or not.)  Many teens will then dabble in a host of illegal drugs... meth, pot,  heroin, ectasy, etc.  Others will use some guaranteed buzz words and even get SSRIs

 

A large number of those people will become criminals and / or die.  Now, due to the brilliant strategies of the build the wall - deport 'em all activists we have the Surveillance Society with its pee test, blood test, hair sample, DNA sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, National ID Card, driver's license, birth certificate, Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number,"  occupation license, firearms license, proof of insurance, and access to your Facebook page just to walk beyond your front yard.

 

Put into perspective, the United States has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens.  In 1980, that number was 150 people in prison for every 100,000 citizens.  In 1980 we had fewer per capita than Britain had in prison. And Britain has gun control to boot!!!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-americans-in-jail-2012-3

 

We have more people in prison than any nation on the planet!  More than half of them are in prison for drug related crimes - and most of them were introduced to drugs by their parents and or the government!!!  We consume over 80 percent of the world's oipoid supply  and 11 percent of Americans 12 and over are on anti-depressants.  The net result is that people from south of the border are all too willing to supply the insatiable appetite Americans have for drugs.  And while these people (over 6 MILLION at any given moment) are in jail or prison, the foreigners are all too willing to take the jobs that we, the American people have locked society out of getting.  Those not in jail or prison, but did time now have a criminal record.  Between current drug users, people in jail / prison, and those with a criminal record, a substantial number of Americans are locked out of the system.  NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE THEM A JOB!   We believe in criminal background checks and drug tests (violations of the Fourth Amendment.)  We, as a nation, don't believe in second chances for those people.

 

The biggest root to your problem is the numbers of Americans who are on drugs, have a criminal record and are locked out of the system except for the disability checks, welfare debit cards to buy food with, and the other handouts they are afforded.  We've created generational welfarites and we need someone to scapegoat.  We need someone to blame for our failures.  Meanwhile inept parents, government bureaucrats, Big Pharma, doctors (especially those in the mental health profession) are making out like bandits.  Those who are living off the government dole have no reason to go back to work as minimum wage is not enough to afford an apartment anywhere in the United States.

 

As long as there are enormous profits to be made off drugs, people from south of the border will come.  You can up the ante, trash your Liberties on the premise that big government will make you safe and gut the Constitution, but it will be for nothing.  Nothing will stem the flow when you don't hold yourself accountable for what you're doing wrong.  If you were a Hispanic facing having to work for the drug cartels where you are beaten as are family members, forced to be drug mules, and made to live off virtually nothing versus working a job in a foreign country - that an employer is WILLING to give you, then this wouldn't be rocket science for you.

 

And this is just the biggest root!  And there are solutions... but, you can't rag on the foreigners so it will never be discussed in America.  We're not good at owning our part of a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, The Resister said:

 

The thing of it is, people are coming here from south of the border and it cannot be stopped for three reasons:

 

1)  The solution does not fit on a bumper sticker

2)  As many Americans are inviting the foreigners here as there are those offended by it

3)  Until the American people own their part in the issue, it will continue regardless of what path you take

 

Having been involved IN this issue for decades and having tried to have discussions where all sides participate, I'm of the opinion that the people are going to force the United States Supreme Court legislate from the bench on this one and NOBODY is going to like their decision.  Can we look at the facts for once:

 

ONE of the roots to this problem lies in the demise of the American family.  Most children come from single parent homes or highly dysfunctional homes.  While children are very young, the parents employ the worst possible kinds of parenting skills.  They feed their kids diets high in fats, sugar and all the crap you shouldn't eat.  Then they use computers, laptops, etc, in order to babysit those children.  Unable to accept what they did wrong, they then go to the doctor wherein children are prescribed Ritalin or Adderall for their supposed hyperactivity.  As they progress and get older they obtain opoids (whether legal or not.)  Many teens will then dabble in a host of illegal drugs... meth, pot,  heroin, ectasy, etc.  Others will use some guaranteed buzz words and even get SSRIs

 

A large number of those people will become criminals and / or die.  Now, due to the brilliant strategies of the build the wall - deport 'em all activists we have the Surveillance Society with its pee test, blood test, hair sample, DNA sample, criminal background check, MVR check, credit check, National ID Card, driver's license, birth certificate, Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number,"  occupation license, firearms license, proof of insurance, and access to your Facebook page just to walk beyond your front yard.

 

Put into perspective, the United States has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens.  In 1980, that number was 150 people in prison for every 100,000 citizens.  In 1980 we had fewer per capita than Britain had in prison. And Britain has gun control to boot!!!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-americans-in-jail-2012-3

 

We have more people in prison than any nation on the planet!  More than half of them are in prison for drug related crimes - and most of them were introduced to drugs by their parents and or the government!!!  We consume over 80 percent of the world's oipoid supply  and 11 percent of Americans 12 and over are on anti-depressants.  The net result is that people from south of the border are all too willing to supply the insatiable appetite Americans have for drugs.  And while these people (over 6 MILLION at any given moment) are in jail or prison, the foreigners are all too willing to take the jobs that we, the American people have locked society out of getting.  Those not in jail or prison, but did time now have a criminal record.  Between current drug users, people in jail / prison, and those with a criminal record, a substantial number of Americans are locked out of the system.  NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE THEM A JOB!   We believe in criminal background checks and drug tests (violations of the Fourth Amendment.)  We, as a nation, don't believe in second chances for those people.

 

The biggest root to your problem is the numbers of Americans who are on drugs, have a criminal record and are locked out of the system except for the disability checks, welfare debit cards to buy food with, and the other handouts they are afforded.  We've created generational welfarites and we need someone to scapegoat.  We need someone to blame for our failures.  Meanwhile inept parents, government bureaucrats, Big Pharma, doctors (especially those in the mental health profession) are making out like bandits.  Those who are living off the government dole have no reason to go back to work as minimum wage is not enough to afford an apartment anywhere in the United States.

 

As long as there are enormous profits to be made off drugs, people from south of the border will come.  You can up the ante, trash your Liberties on the premise that big government will make you safe and gut the Constitution, but it will be for nothing.  Nothing will stem the flow when you don't hold yourself accountable for what you're doing wrong.  If you were a Hispanic facing having to work for the drug cartels where you are beaten as are family members, forced to be drug mules, and made to live off virtually nothing versus working a job in a foreign country - that an employer is WILLING to give you, then this wouldn't be rocket science for you.

 

And this is just the biggest root!  And there are solutions... but, you can't rag on the foreigners so it will never be discussed in America.  We're not good at owning our part of a problem.

 

 

Excellent analysis and perspective of the issue, of which I have little to argue against. My only concern is few people talk about solutions in line with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. So many people want solutions to issues of security and prosperity at the expense of liberty. Bargaining away liberty concedes the high ground needed for future generations to stand upon in defense of the Constitution.

 

I will add my thoughts for others and yourself...

 

-Supreme Court ruling on immigration...this is an area where I would need some education, as my experience on precedent is lacking. The Constitution does not grant the federal government power for immigration. One argument from the individual states would be since it is a federal border, the fed gov't should be managing it for ports of entry and taxation related issues. The private land owners can erect all the border walls they want to. Having the state fund it would have to go to a general vote there.

 

-People rarely change themselves. It takes an act of submission according to one's faith beliefs, or a change in outside factors. Deregulating the churches will greatly help faith based solutions. We can change the external factors by restricting or pulling the federal handouts and subsidies. This will curb life-long and generational abuse plus put people back into the workforce.

 

-Americans owning up to their issues...falls right under people changing themselves for the better. Blame is easy to cast, and solutions are never cut-and-dry. Few are willing to present their sacrifice needed to correct the issue.

 

-Our strong capitalism feeds Third World countries. Low unemployment always attracts people to our country and builds a case for outside factories to supplement the needs of businesses. The drug industry? You bet it feeds other countries...both the legal and illegal drug trade. Decriminalization and taxation of certain illegal drugs will reduce the prison population of nonviolent offenders and also provide revenue. Following other plans to reduce corrupt politicians and back-door deals will help curb pharma industry's grip on doctors. The opioid prescription rate should be lowered, and then long term side effects of drug use minimized.

 

-We do not have to hand out a citizen card to everyone that enters our country. The number of aliens from certain countries can be limited, and the number of people that see citizenship can be limited as well. We certainly can do a better job of tracking down and deporting non-resident aliens with expired visas.

 

-Can't rag on foreigners? A general excuse of "they make me feel uncomfortable" does not fly in my book, as I have worked with enough foreigners to know that there are good ones here. We sure can rag on those deemed unlawful if we have data to back it up. According to a December 2017 Bureau of Prison report, 21% of those in the federal prison system are foreign-born. Of those persons, less than 5% were lawfully present aliens. Federal pretrial detainees involving aliens and foreign-born show a population of less than 2% lawfully present aliens. This data does not cover state and local jails and holding centers, and this is perhaps where the most telling data would be found. If we find a predominance of criminals coming in from certain countries, the President could potentially exclude those countries from the authorized immigration list for national security reasons. Banning those from Central and Southern America would have the most effect and would also cause quite an uproar due to the number of migrant workers being blocked out. Having a mass deportation back of unlawful aliens (even the violent criminals) back to their homeland capital would send a message.

 

-Military action? Well, troops on the border is definitely allowable, but the Constitution only authorizes the Navy, and the Air Force presumably, for defense of borders. The individual states' militias can be called up as well. Historically, we have invaded foreign countries for less serious issues than the compounding and ever-growing list of negative effects of unlawful immigration.

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I appreciate your response, even if we don't agree on every point.  I agree with you that few people talk about solutions that are in line with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  That is why I really want to put ideas on the table.  For example, I'm currently working on legislation that would prevent mass shootings.  IF my slate of candidates win in the upcoming election, three state legislators are interested in the work.  IF that legislation were to be passed, it would have a major impact on immigration in the long term.

 

Additionally I have a prison reform idea that one state senator keeps calling me about.  Both bills would reduce the recidivism rate and the bill aimed at mass shootings would keep people out of prison long before they could go to court the first time.  What this means is that if our people are being educated instead of drugged; if we reach at risk families before their children take the wrong path;  if we rehabilitate the people in the prison system, put them to work, and give them a second chance we have more Americans working and less reason for foreigners to come into the United States.

 

I have this unfortunate disadvantage when it comes to this subject.  I worked IN immigration law before.  Most people, not knowing the law, are swayed more by emotional laden arguments rather than being able to have a critical analysis of asking, what are the pitfalls if we do pass all these laws and enforce them?  My major critic here folded her tent and beat a hasty retreat when I posed the questions of what would happen IF we could identify and deport every single undocumented foreigner AND force their American children out of the U.S. and then build a huge wall.   In a few years, those children would get a bit older and start migrating back to the U.S.  They have their National ID Card, birth certificate, and Socialist Surveillance Number - there I go again "Social Security Number."   They show up at the border and you can't keep them out.  They're Americans.  But, now they have no education, no job skills, no family support system (you deported them) and many won't even remember how to speak English.  What's the plan?

 

There's on old saying, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  Magic elixirs like threatening foreigners with jail time and building walls are not prevention techniques.  We already saw what the public reaction was when we separated the undocumented families trying to come into the United States.  What kind of response do you think you'll get when the deportations are kicked into high gear and MILLIONS of American born Hispanics are watching their relatives being deported and families separated?  What I find amazing is that the left has not challenged deportation as being a violation of the Eighth Amendment since it is anti-family with regards to American citizens not having a credible way to keep their foreign born parents, siblings, etc. in the U.S.  Then again, maybe that is what the flooding of America with parents bringing their children here was all about: gauge our reaction and prep people for such a challenge in court.

 

I can tell you that the current laws controlling the regulation of foreigners is outdated, unenforceable, and unrealistic.  I can tell you, for a fact, that the current anti-immigrant lobby really believes that deportation without comprehensive immigration reform (whatever that entails) will result in white supremacists being able to gain enough power to control America.  If they were not predominantly National Socialist, I'm not sure I'd stand in their way.  The great dilemma you have at this moment is that you have the illegally ratified 14th Amendment making citizens out of people that disagree with America's stand on immigration.  And it will be inevitable that one day - soon, they outnumber you and vote the whites into oblivion.  At that juncture, this stalemate will have all been for nothing.  Well, nothing except a cleverly disguised attack on the foundational principle of Liberty.

 

 

 

 

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On 7/4/2018 at 6:34 PM, The Resister said:

 

As long as there are enormous profits to be made off drugs, people from south of the border will come.  You can up the ante, trash your Liberties on the premise that big government will make you safe and gut the Constitution, but it will be for nothing.  Nothing will stem the flow when you don't hold yourself accountable for what you're doing wrong.  If you were a Hispanic facing having to work for the drug cartels where you are beaten as are family members, forced to be drug mules, and made to live off virtually nothing versus working a job in a foreign country - that an employer is WILLING to give you, then this wouldn't be rocket science for you.

 

And this is just the biggest root!  And there are solutions... but, you can't rag on the foreigners so it will never be discussed in America.  We're not good at owning our part of a problem.

 

OK, I'll bite on this one and throw my 2 cents in.  First of all I want to state that I don't use any drugs other than what is prescribed by my doctor or over the counter in stores.  The war on drugs has been put in place as another control mechanism of the citizens by the powers that be and in actuality is a complete wast of time, money and effort.  I see the war on drugs as no different as prohibition of alcohol was.  It is absolutely ridiculous to legislate a person's particular habits.  If their habits cause them to do something to harm or break other laws to protect then sure they should be prosecuted for that and their use of drugs is no excuse as to their culpability just as the use of alcohol is no longer an excuse.  The war on drugs causes most of the problems associated with drugs such as crime syndicates because it makes it lucrative for them to operate and break other laws in making and supplying the "illegal" drugs.  If it were up to me, I'd get rid of all felony drug use laws and let all persons convicted of drug related crimes that did not involve violence free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Let_Freedom_Ring said:

 

 

Your reply was non-responsive.  Using the government, mental health officials, doctors, and Big Pharma to hook young children onto drugs doesn't have spit to do with Liberty and Freedom.  

 

Children who are four, five, six years old and so forth don't have the mental capacity nor the ability to decide what drugs they need in their body.  Even teens, once hooked by virtue of the doctors treating imaginary conditions don't have the presence of mind to be able to make an intelligent decision regarding the use of any drug.

 

Furthermore, once a person's habits begin to jeopardize them, their families or society, then you have to bring that individual back down on earth.  Sure, you may have a Right to do drugs, but if you are allowing your children to do them - or you are an enabler, then these Freedom arguments are not applicable.  

 

We have the world’s record for drug use. 24.5 MILLION Americans use illegal drugs:

 

 

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

 

"More than 4.8 million people covered by private health insurance insurance have filled at least one prescription for ADHD, the report finds."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/number-young-adults-adhd-drugs-soars-n50856

 

"One in six Americans take some kind of psychiatric drugs — mostly antidepressants, researchers reported Monday."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/one-6-americans-take-antidepressants-other-psychiatric-drugs-n695141

 

So, roughly half of America is taking mind altering drugs. And, as the last link shows, Whites are prescribed SSRIs twice as many times as are blacks. And virtually every mass shooting in America is committed by either a political jihadist or someone on SSRIs.

Between the divorce rate and drugs, we have lost two generations of our best and brightest youth. Once we create these drug addicts, we think that prison is the place they should be. So, for every mentally ill person in a mental facility, we have MORE THAN TEN IN PRISONS!

 

"Across the country, an estimated 356,268 people with mental illnesses including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia are in prisons and jails, compared to just 35,000 in state hospitals — a tenfold difference."

 

https://khn.org/news/report-jails-house-10-times-more-mentally-ill-than-state-hospitals/

 

"Of the 2.3 million inmates crowding our nations prisons and jails, 1.5 million meet the DSM-IV medical criteria for substance abuse or addiction, and another 458,000, while not meeting the strict DSM-IV criteria, had histories of substance abuse; were under the influence of alcohol or other drugs at the time of their crime; committed their offense to get money to buy drugs; were incarcerated for an alcohol or drug law violation; or shared some combination of these characteristics, according to Behind Bars II: Substance Abuse and America’s Prison Population. Combined these two groups constitute 85% of the U.S. prison population.

The new 144-page report released today by CASAColumbia (CASA) at Columbia University also reveals that alcohol and other drugs are significant factors in all crime. In 2006, alcohol and other drugs were involved in these inmate offenses:

  • 78% of violent crimes
  • 83% of property crimes
  • 77% of public order, immigration or weapon offenses; and probation/parole violations

The CASA report found that only 11% of all inmates with substance abuse and addiction disorders receive any treatment during their incarceration."

 

https://www.centeronaddiction.org/newsroom/press-releases/2010-behind-bars-II

 

The real question is, how many people actually chose that kind of lifestyle versus those who were drugged as kids and became manufactured drug addicts?

 

 

 

 

 

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Americans have been deluded into believing that since we are in America, you can do pretty much anything you please.  

 

Well, every Freedom and every Liberty has a cost.  Since we do not want to own our part in the demise of our culture and our nation we pay the cost.  We pay in higher taxes; we pay in lost lives; we pay in the dumbing down of America;  we pay in the destruction of our youth; we pay in terms of gun violence (a problem we could resolve without gun control.)  Americans have taken a giant dump on their constitutional Liberties and remain deaf, dumb, blind and stupid with respect to the road they took to get there.  

 

We have guaranteed that there will be an all out assault on family values and your Rights in general.  Most Americans will accept an infringement on this Right if the government will address their pet issue over there.  We're allowing a globalist to rule by Executive fiat and when the pendulum swings the other way, the precedents that man is setting will be back to bite us in the arse so hard that we will have two choices: PHYSICALLY fight or be determined to live like slaves.

 

 

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4 hours ago, The Resister said:

 

Your reply was non-responsive.  Using the government, mental health officials, doctors, and Big Pharma to hook young children onto drugs doesn't have spit to do with Liberty and Freedom.  

 

Children who are four, five, six years old and so forth don't have the mental capacity nor the ability to decide what drugs they need in their body.  Even teens, once hooked by virtue of the doctors treating imaginary conditions don't have the presence of mind to be able to make an intelligent decision regarding the use of any drug.

 

Furthermore, once a person's habits begin to jeopardize them, their families or society, then you have to bring that individual back down on earth.  Sure, you may have a Right to do drugs, but if you are allowing your children to do them - or you are an enabler, then these Freedom arguments are not applicable.  

 

We have the world’s record for drug use. 24.5 MILLION Americans use illegal drugs:

 

 

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

 

"More than 4.8 million people covered by private health insurance insurance have filled at least one prescription for ADHD, the report finds."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/number-young-adults-adhd-drugs-soars-n50856

 

"One in six Americans take some kind of psychiatric drugs — mostly antidepressants, researchers reported Monday."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/one-6-americans-take-antidepressants-other-psychiatric-drugs-n695141

 

So, roughly half of America is taking mind altering drugs. And, as the last link shows, Whites are prescribed SSRIs twice as many times as are blacks. And virtually every mass shooting in America is committed by either a political jihadist or someone on SSRIs.

Between the divorce rate and drugs, we have lost two generations of our best and brightest youth. Once we create these drug addicts, we think that prison is the place they should be. So, for every mentally ill person in a mental facility, we have MORE THAN TEN IN PRISONS!

 

"Across the country, an estimated 356,268 people with mental illnesses including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia are in prisons and jails, compared to just 35,000 in state hospitals — a tenfold difference."

 

https://khn.org/news/report-jails-house-10-times-more-mentally-ill-than-state-hospitals/

 

"Of the 2.3 million inmates crowding our nations prisons and jails, 1.5 million meet the DSM-IV medical criteria for substance abuse or addiction, and another 458,000, while not meeting the strict DSM-IV criteria, had histories of substance abuse; were under the influence of alcohol or other drugs at the time of their crime; committed their offense to get money to buy drugs; were incarcerated for an alcohol or drug law violation; or shared some combination of these characteristics, according to Behind Bars II: Substance Abuse and America’s Prison Population. Combined these two groups constitute 85% of the U.S. prison population.

The new 144-page report released today by CASAColumbia (CASA) at Columbia University also reveals that alcohol and other drugs are significant factors in all crime. In 2006, alcohol and other drugs were involved in these inmate offenses:

  • 78% of violent crimes
  • 83% of property crimes
  • 77% of public order, immigration or weapon offenses; and probation/parole violations

The CASA report found that only 11% of all inmates with substance abuse and addiction disorders receive any treatment during their incarceration."

 

https://www.centeronaddiction.org/newsroom/press-releases/2010-behind-bars-II

 

The real question is, how many people actually chose that kind of lifestyle versus those who were drugged as kids and became manufactured drug addicts?

 

 

I was only responding to a portion / point you discussed regarding the creation of drug lords / cartels and the multitudes of people incarcerated in US prisons many of which are on drug related offenses.  The US war on drugs created most of that situation just as prohibition of alcohol did earlier.  Ceasing the war on drugs on both a state and federal level would put a huge dent in crime rates as it would make narcotics much cheaper and easier to get so no need to commit as much crime to get them.  Simple supply and demand economics.  It would also cut off the major supply of funds for organized crime in this era. 

 

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1 hour ago, Let_Freedom_Ring said:

 

 

And while you have a minor point, putting a dent in the "legal" drug trade would save lives AND decrease the numbers of people who become dependent on drugs through no choice of their own.

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Yup I agree with that also, the "legal" drug trade is problematic as well.  A doctor said one of my boys should be on Ritalin growing up and I said hell no!  Changed doctors right after that also!!  

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